U.S. Supreme Court: Post-Ginsburg Edition

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the Court is currently cemented at extremely horrific for the next two decades or so

One motivated sniper could solve this problem. And the justices are heading home at the end of the week...

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:25 (one year ago) link

Not sarcastically

Sorry, all of this is doing me in a little

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:27 (one year ago) link

xxxpost Plus you've got a guy placed on the court by a President elected before anyone under 33 was even born taking away the rights of current and future generations of women

yea whoever said this feels worse than the Trump era was right, at least then you had the hope that things would turn around in 2020. Dems got all 3 houses and welp here we are. obviously I have a lot of frustration towards this current administration but I'm not sure what they even could do if Manchin and Sinema remain uncooperative, sure as hell feels like America is set up to reward bad actors

the other part is just seeing up front that the GOP really is that bad. I was holding onto hope that people on here and on Twitter were mostly overreacting, that surely the Trump administration wouldn't ACTUALLY try to overturn an election through a violent coup, that surely these SC justices wouldn't ACTUALLY try to overturn something as widely popular as Roe, especially after giving sworn testimony they wouldn't

it sucks because I had this sense of dread when RBG died, it felt nearly as bad as when Trump won somehow. but I realized I had been despairing too much, I just didn't have any more room to feel bad about it, and that for once you just gotta hope things will be alright. instead everything bad we thought was gonna happen wound up happening. I'm too exhausted to care anymore.

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:42 (one year ago) link

I had that same dread. I hoped somehow we'd avoid an overturn but it felt inevitable. Esp when Loony Barrett was nominated

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:44 (one year ago) link

Why, I'd even go so far to say that she's more "notorious" than her predecessor!

pplains, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 18:02 (one year ago) link

And the capper we all knew was coming...

The Supreme Court's first decision of the day is West Virginia v. EPA. In a 6–3 decision by Roberts, the court strictly curbs the EPA's power to mandate carbon emissions from existing power plants. https://t.co/EaPGix54LE

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:03 (one year ago) link

Biden should’ve said it an hour after the Court ruled.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) June 30, 2022

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:04 (one year ago) link

at least to my reading they decided it somewhat narrowly (the EPA can't use the Clean Ar Act to curb carbon emissions because carbon dioxide is not classified as a pollutant) rather than completely gutting delegation.

F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link

The Supreme Court's second and final opinion of the day—and the term—is Biden v. Texas, the Remain in Mexico case. The Biden administration wins, 5–4, with Roberts and Kavanaugh joining the liberals. Biden can rescind the policy. https://t.co/QIo8hJybz1

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:13 (one year ago) link

Not so fast tho...

I think this right. Today's decision is a victory for the Biden administration, but it gives Trump judges in the lower courts space to retake control of border policy on remand. Very troubling. https://t.co/wuKSlgRtLk

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022

Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link

all of this is obviously very bad, but in a way is this a challenge to congress? to be more creative? to be more "activist" and prescriptive?

oh wait

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:19 (one year ago) link

if the Dem party was functional at all they'd be working on clear legislation to solidify these laws but I am guessing they see saving the planet we all live on as a divisive issue

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:27 (one year ago) link

It costs too much.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:29 (one year ago) link

I recently read a Stanford study which tried to estimate the cost of converting every nation on the planet to 100% renewables, landing on a number around $60 trillion

that's a lot, but they also estimated the planet would save $11 trillion or so every year, meaning it would pay for itself within 5 1/2 years. not to mention the massive impacts on the environment and public health

so of course our dumb species won't do it, we won't even try

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:33 (one year ago) link

In his dissent, Thomas claims that COVID vaccines were developed with the use of "aborted children." https://t.co/43cSrepGNn

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) June 30, 2022

jesus christ

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:05 (one year ago) link

clarence thomas i wish you a very die

flamenco drop (BradNelson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:11 (one year ago) link

I still own isclarencethomasdeadyet.com. anybody wanna help me develop it?

I had a static page up on there that just said "unfortunately no" but idk maybe we can do better.

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:16 (one year ago) link

Just in: In an election case out of North Carolina, SCOTUS agrees to review the "independent state legislature" theory next term. Under that theory, state legislatures have broad power to set rules for federal elections, even if state courts say those rules are unconstitutional.

— SCOTUSblog (@SCOTUSblog) June 30, 2022

^^ very bad

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:00 (one year ago) link

yea that seems to lay the groundwork to make the attempted coup in 2020 actually successful this time

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:03 (one year ago) link

From here it looks like a majority of the court would vote in favor of a ruling based on the legal theory that "might makes right".

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:05 (one year ago) link

“Supreme Court Rules That Supreme Court Lacks Legal Reason to Exist”

There’s a spoken word Godspeed You Black Emperor quote that suits how I feel about life in this country lately, let’s see, what was it?

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:32 (one year ago) link

It occurred to me yesterday: Bloom County devoted dozens of strips to Reagan, Poppy, and the legislative branch. Guess the Burger Court was too boring to satirize.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:36 (one year ago) link

They did!

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:39 (one year ago) link

ooh! Do show!

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:40 (one year ago) link

Oh, no, I meant: you’re right.

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:48 (one year ago) link

They are telegraphing their intentions this far out and yet we can all rest assured that the Dems will not do one fucking thing to stop it. Time to get the fuck out of the country.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:47 (one year ago) link

It feels almost inevitable that the deciding vote in the House on overturning the popular vote in '24 will come from a far-right firebrand elected in '22 thanks to Democratic support in the primary.

I have great-grandparents who came over on the boat from Finland, maybe it's time to start learning the language and exploring my options.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

will Geir take us in

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:50 (one year ago) link

Not that there is any realistic plan for getting the fuck out of Dodge, I'm just completely out of hope after the last two weeks. We've got a rogue SCOTUS completely crippling our democracy for the foreseeable future, the Dems are too busy fundraising to spend on far-right primary candidates to do a fucking thing to stop it and voting rights are being completely gutted. Hard to imagine how anything turns around at this point.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

My only option for grandparent-citizenship in Europe is fucking Poland (sorry Poles).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:51 (one year ago) link

"The left needs to stand down so we can stop fascism!"
*funds fascism*

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:52 (one year ago) link

Back in 2017, I predicted, only partly tongue in cheek, that Trumps' Court would not rest until it had reversed those pesky child labor laws. I really don't think it's out of the question.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:55 (one year ago) link

I have great-grandparents who came over on the boat from Finland, maybe it's time to start learning the language and exploring my options.


Ha I actually looked into this but great-grandparents don’t seem to count so we’re screwed.

Which might be good cause the language is exceedingly difficult - a friend has been married to a Finn for a decade; he speaks Finnish exclusively with their children, and they all lived there for a year and she took language classes and everything still has like a toddler level understanding.

joygoat, Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:21 (one year ago) link

Finnish isn't an actual language; it's something they made up to disorient and terrify the Russians during the war, and then it just kind of stuck.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:24 (one year ago) link

maybe we'll get lucky and some of these justices will live long enough to perish in one of the future natural disasters they directly caused with their epa decision

in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:32 (one year ago) link

or Kavanaugh can get eaten by something

Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:35 (one year ago) link

My grandmother spoke it before she spoke English; her parents spoke little English and never learned much in their small community in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. We hosted a Finnish exchange student about a dozen years ago. I saw an email he wrote to his parents--it looked like long strings of random vowels and consonants with the occasional umlaut thrown in.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:36 (one year ago) link

Reminds me of a story my grandfather used to tell about the rural Illinois town he grew up in; a Czech guy moved to town and assumed he was learning English from his neighbors, but he was actually learning Swedish.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:43 (one year ago) link

I feel like this EPA decision could be catastrophic

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2022 19:20 (one year ago) link

I feel like this EPA decision could be catastrophic

Honestly, I don't. Big Industry has figured out that there's money to be made in doing things in a cleaner and more efficient manner. They'll make changes on their own (have already been doing so for years) and Republicans (and Joe Manchin) will scrape their knuckles on the ground and mutter "But we got the judges t'say y' didn't hafta!"

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 30 June 2022 20:05 (one year ago) link

Yeah I mean a decade ago this would’ve been really frightening but the entire energy sector does seem to be making a lot of strides right now

frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:51 (one year ago) link

I don’t see some numbered industrial chemical company (for example) really caring what people on Instagram think, when they can save a few bucks by dumping their waste directly into the nearest river with zero oversight. It’s only going to take a small number of businesses to totally fuck shit up.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 30 June 2022 23:46 (one year ago) link

The year is 2024. SCOTUS just voted 5-4 to allow hunting homeless people for sport, with Roberts joining the minority, arguing that only homeless not actively seeking work should be hunted

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) June 30, 2022

papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 1 July 2022 00:00 (one year ago) link

xp it is catastrophic. rolling back the power of federal agencies -- that is, the ones that serve interests other than corporate profits -- is going to be a major goal of this right wing court.

treeship., Friday, 1 July 2022 01:40 (one year ago) link

Regarding the EPA decision, the major questions doctrine seems like a legitimate question to ask, following from the separation of powers. Roberts may be guilty of using incrementalism as a magic escape hatch, but I sometimes wonder if he is conscious of the reception of expert opinion. Is he pragmatic, institutionally grandiose, aware of anti-intellectualism in the 21st C., ... ?

But doesn't the investment in new sectors delay benefits, and would decision makers expect to be around to reap the benefits and to profit personally?

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:38 (one year ago) link

Government subsidies could provide the bridge to reduce the cost (and the delayed gratification) of the investment, so it is still plausible that Big Business could switch if anyone is still in touch with reality.

youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:53 (one year ago) link

Have you read Kagan's dissent? It makes it clear how aggressive and results-oriented the application of this supposed doctrine is in this case. In the section of the law in question, Congress gave the agency the power to make these calls. The Court is, by fiat, deciding "ehhh.... no it didn't."

Doctor Casino, Friday, 1 July 2022 11:39 (one year ago) link


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