Being a socialist, a radical, or an anarchist is not the same as 'bitching loudly on the internet every day'.

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YES IT IS

lumen (esby), Saturday, 16 May 2020 16:57 (two years ago) link

no gods no posters

j., Saturday, 16 May 2020 17:02 (two years ago) link

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Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 16 May 2020 17:58 (two years ago) link

for tons of ppl bitching loudly on the internet is how they perform their politics so esby otm?

Mordy, Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:03 (two years ago) link

And for other people it isn't so esby not otm?

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:05 (two years ago) link

yeah but consider the audience

Mordy, Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:05 (two years ago) link

I am.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:06 (two years ago) link

I guess centrists can perform their politics "in the real world" by doing nothing and not caring "like grown ups"

plax (ico), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:08 (two years ago) link

as one of ilxs centrists, or right wing cunts, depending on yknow, whatever, statement is otm

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:10 (two years ago) link

yeah true maybe they should roll up into state capitols heavily armed

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:13 (two years ago) link

Good summary of centrist foreign policy positions

plax (ico), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:15 (two years ago) link

yelling at the kids is not burning and raving at close of day

burning and raving at close of day is bewailing one's own mortality and how just as you're closing in on the wisdom and vision you sought, your time starts to run out, and your energy flags no matter how jealously you've guarded your powers, and besides the futility of the whole enterprise becomes more transparent and it doesn't seem fair because seen from the right angle it all seems so beautiful but the clarity of your aging eyes forces to you see both that beauty and its pointlessness

being mad at williamsburg is basically going gentle, because it's what all the olds do when they run out of the power to be properly mad

― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Saturday, November 29, 2014 1:37 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brimstead, Sunday, 17 May 2020 00:02 (two years ago) link

does being a socialist, a radical, and/or an anarchist necessitate actual activism?

sarahell, Sunday, 17 May 2020 02:39 (two years ago) link

if "activism" means engaging in some kind of related activity, then I'd say yes.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 May 2020 02:42 (two years ago) link

Like voting.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 09:27 (two years ago) link

does being a socialist, a radical, and/or an anarchist necessitate actual activism?

Oh boy, ILX! That's where I'm a political activist!

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but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:49 (two years ago) link

Does this also work for fascists. Like if you spend all day on nazi websites making racist posts in favour of totalitarian regimes this isn't proactive enough to qualify you as a fascist? Asking for a friend.

plax (ico), Sunday, 17 May 2020 12:01 (two years ago) link

It only appears to apply to the left.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 12:18 (two years ago) link

Does this also work for fascists. Like if you spend all day on nazi websites making racist posts in favour of totalitarian regimes this isn't proactive enough to qualify you as a fascist? Asking for a friend.

Lock thread. Turn out the lights when you leave.

Laziest Sybarite in the World (PBKR), Sunday, 17 May 2020 13:05 (two years ago) link

if the nazis were as inneffectual at achieving their goals as the internet left????? oh my god dude if only

lumen (esby), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:07 (two years ago) link

sounds like literal utopia to this jew but i guess you thought you were making some other point

lumen (esby), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:09 (two years ago) link

good job responding to this thread guys, rather than leaving in its "one and done" state with just j's reply

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:19 (two years ago) link

w/ his fascism comment plax seems to have come around to esby's point which is that bitching on the internet is the same as performing politics

Mordy, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:22 (two years ago) link

Of course bitching on the internet is performing politics. Of course there are many other ways that politics get enacted. This is all very easy.

plax (ico), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:26 (two years ago) link

define your terms people idk wth you mean. who are leftists? what is activism? ineffectual at/for what, to whom, etc

What's (Left), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:28 (two years ago) link

who are leftists?
*comedy answer redacted*

what is activism?
seems p self evident: posting on the internet, voting for a 90 yr old white guy, standing in the lobby of a bank 7 years ago

ineffectual at/for what, to whom, etc
i personally think the leftism project is going fine but the participants themselves don't seem to think so, cf. 20000000000 posts on this website

lumen (esby), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:40 (two years ago) link

I doubt the question was directed at you tbh.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:42 (two years ago) link

leftism

It was a great album at the time, not sure how I'd feel about it today.

pomenitul, Sunday, 17 May 2020 14:44 (two years ago) link

are y'all motherfuckers just mad that we've quarantined the existing political threads, so you've taken to starting new political threads in a desperate attempt to get people to engage with your bullshit?

Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 17 May 2020 15:54 (two years ago) link

there is only one functioning politics thread on ilx, dealing with the politics of a functioning country strangely enough

and we havent even sorted out our election results from several months ago

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 May 2020 16:30 (two years ago) link

Canada begs to differ.

pomenitul, Sunday, 17 May 2020 16:34 (two years ago) link

it may beg away it lives in a semi d

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Sunday, 17 May 2020 16:38 (two years ago) link

my impression is that when the demographics of voting shift (and they will, unless ~changes in mechanics~), there will be little mercy, because none was shown, and the people thus in power are therefore kinda...merciless assholes.

inveterate practitioner of antisocial distancing (Hunt3r), Sunday, 17 May 2020 20:15 (two years ago) link

The likes of Corbyn and Sanders were the compromise solution. Should demographics take over => guillotine time!

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 17 May 2020 20:47 (two years ago) link

the anger of the toiling masses is as nothing compared to insatiable bloodthirst of the parlor radical

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 May 2020 20:52 (two years ago) link

wouldn't count on demographics for another decade at least, probably more like 15 years

flopson, Sunday, 17 May 2020 20:56 (two years ago) link

Demographics aren't going to combat contemporary capitalism. Jeff Bezos's zillions aren't going to disappear when he finally eats it.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, 17 May 2020 21:37 (two years ago) link

idk if he eats his money it will quite literally disappear

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 May 2020 21:38 (two years ago) link

https://communemag.com/

sarahell, Monday, 18 May 2020 04:21 (two years ago) link

Esby is a VL

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 May 2020 05:08 (two years ago) link

and you sir are an R lmao

lumen (esby), Monday, 18 May 2020 05:18 (two years ago) link

Folks, you know what to do

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 May 2020 05:33 (two years ago) link

https://i.ibb.co/QD8C8QQ/rolleyes7cm.gif

lumen (esby), Monday, 18 May 2020 05:51 (two years ago) link

i don't understand VL and R and what any of that is ... just that commune mag is shutting down partly because one of its (former) editors was called out as a rapist

sarahell, Monday, 18 May 2020 07:24 (two years ago) link

I mean,you could guess what he means by R. Pretty obvious

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Monday, 18 May 2020 08:16 (two years ago) link

esby ist eine verbotene Liebe.

peace, man, Monday, 18 May 2020 10:10 (two years ago) link

R Kelly?

sarahell, Monday, 18 May 2020 17:18 (two years ago) link

mein geist ist sagen mir NEIIIIIIINNNNN

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 May 2020 22:42 (two years ago) link

i personally think the leftism project is going fine

probably should be letting this thread sink down the page into oblivian but I just wanted to thank you for this, I have had an especially miserable day but for real snarfed my beer when I read this and feel better now

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 01:47 (two years ago) link

whatever happened to the Oblivians?

sarahell, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 15:04 (two years ago) link

oh like earth xp

imago, Friday, 13 November 2020 21:41 (one year ago) link

Not if you don't feel safe enough to do that! Or even confident enough, or hell, motivated enough.

On a completely different note, I find it weird that I've just incorporated "leftist" into my vocabulary.

xxxp

emil.y, Friday, 13 November 2020 21:42 (one year ago) link

xp - given the direction this conversation has gone I have zero confidence in my "causing a fuss about the culture" doing anything but getting mocked

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:42 (one year ago) link

thanks for sharing your experience milo

Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:43 (one year ago) link

serious qualms about shitty endemic behaviour should and I hope will always be taken seriously in any leftist organisation worth the name

imago, Friday, 13 November 2020 21:43 (one year ago) link

have there been recent DSA sexism dustups? I don't hear about this stuff anymore since I quit twitter

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:45 (one year ago) link

I should say 'sexism/harrassment/assault/etc'

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:46 (one year ago) link

it’s fine to dismiss an entire org because of shit experiences esp when the reaction to raising them is this kind of thing

You guys are ridiculous because I’m more on the left than you (Left), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:47 (one year ago) link

except the part where I said I wasn't doing that? jesus christ

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:50 (one year ago) link

i don't read it as sarcastic.

Van Horn Street, Friday, 13 November 2020 21:51 (one year ago) link

xp I was going off the suggestion from another post above. I’m sorry if I implied it was your position. it’s not sarcastic though

You guys are ridiculous because I’m more on the left than you (Left), Friday, 13 November 2020 21:58 (one year ago) link

got it, apologeis

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 14 November 2020 00:39 (one year ago) link

*apologies

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, 14 November 2020 00:39 (one year ago) link

but surely the solution is to join and cause a fuss about the culture, that's how things improve

― imago, Friday, November 13, 2020 1:40 PM (yesterday)

hahaha that is the classic hetero cis-white guy response! ... this is why the term "emotional labor" is so common in the QTPOC left, as well as the focus on organizing amongst themselves where they are at the front, as opposed to waiting for the cis-white men (and women sometimes) to STFU.

sarahell, Saturday, 14 November 2020 15:47 (one year ago) link

not saying anyone has to, but wouldn't you have to join first to know?

plax (ico), Saturday, 14 November 2020 22:00 (one year ago) link

You don't need to join a group to anticipate how its culture will be affecting you, especially in cases like the very vocal and very web-present dirtbag left.

Van Horn Street, Saturday, 14 November 2020 23:21 (one year ago) link

web-present would be the important part, no?

ie

it’s fine to dismiss an entire org because of shit experiences esp when the reaction to raising them is this kind of thing

No one has described "shit experiences" with their local DSA or any related organization, AFAICT? There's an assumption that these bad people online would be pervasive in this entirely unconnected organization.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Saturday, 14 November 2020 23:59 (one year ago) link

You don't need to join a group to anticipate how its culture will be affecting you, especially in cases like the very vocal and very web-present dirtbag left.

― Van Horn Street, Saturday, 14 November 2020 23:21 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it seems a bit far to literally say that this organisation specifically is unsafe though don't you think?

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:03 (one year ago) link

Arguing that a very vocal online presence associated with a political persuasion wouldn't necessarily be present at IRL meetings associated with that political persuasion is more of a stretch, IMHO.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:19 (one year ago) link

Like if some DSA dude harassed my friend online, I'd be pretty loathe to go to my local DSA for the first time. Don't really understand why that's so hard to grasp.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:20 (one year ago) link

and there are plenty of progressive / left groups and causes to participate in that aren't the DSA. Like ... this argument just feels kinda absurd to me at this point.

sarahell, Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:25 (one year ago) link

but surely those would also be unsafe?

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:35 (one year ago) link

associated with a political persuasion

some DSA dude harassed my friend online

This is the assumption that I'm referring to. There hasn't even been an accusation that "DSA dudes" harassed anyone's friends, but that's the thread being run with?

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:35 (one year ago) link

Like if some DSA dude harassed my friend online, I'd be pretty loathe to go to my local DSA for the first time. Don't really understand why that's so hard to grasp.

― healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:20 (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

but all that was claimed was that people, who might be the kind of people to go to a dsa meeting because they have leftist opinions, would be there and subsequently it was implied that it was unsafe.

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:43 (one year ago) link

I guess I didn't take it that way. I took it as 'some DSA-associated people harassed my friend, and I don't feel good going to a DSA meeting as a result.'

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 15 November 2020 00:59 (one year ago) link

but surely those would also be unsafe?

― plax (ico), Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:35 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago)

not necessarily, there are plenty of groups that don't have "those dudes" in them because they were formed by people who didn't want to have to deal with "those dudes"

sarahell, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:15 (one year ago) link

but how can you be sure?

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:18 (one year ago) link

they restrict membership to womxn and non-binary ppl?

sarahell, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:19 (one year ago) link

like one way to not have to deal with "those dudes" is to not allow dudes in yr group?

sarahell, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:20 (one year ago) link

so the "specific category" is men or leftist men?

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:25 (one year ago) link

it seems a bit far to literally say that this organisation specifically is unsafe though don't you think?

I will leave it to each individual what they deem safe or unsafe for themselves.

Van Horn Street, Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:32 (one year ago) link

so would i. but there is a difference between saying something would make you feel unsafe and something is unsafe

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 01:35 (one year ago) link

why on earth would you think I'm saying that someone is not entitled to feel how they feel?

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 02:22 (one year ago) link

dsa guy and his twitter gf pic.twitter.com/Rn4FnSUqTZ

— the once again welfare king (@singlepayertom) November 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 November 2020 12:56 (one year ago) link

Pretty incredible how a bunch of dudes keep questioning the logic and making fun of a woman who noted that there are a ton of really abusive assholes associated with the DSA online, and that she thus didn't feel safe going to meetings of the DSA. Really beginning to understand more and more why ILX is such a boys club.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Sunday, 15 November 2020 14:56 (one year ago) link

I don't see anybody making fun of anyone or questioning the logic of not wanting to go

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 15:27 (one year ago) link

in fact as far as I can see every poster has affirmed the idea that if one feels uncomfortable for whatever reason then one is being perfectly reasonable in declining to go

plax (ico), Sunday, 15 November 2020 15:47 (one year ago) link

how about joining the group, expressing your concerns about the individual in question to the individual in question, and then if the issue is not settled to your satisfaction, expressing your concerns about the individual in question privately to the leader(s) of the group, and then if the issue is still not settled to your satisfaction, expressing your concerns to the entire group?

the burrito that defined a generation, Sunday, 15 November 2020 16:26 (one year ago) link

Yesterday @nycDSA endorsed 6 *amazing* candidates for City Council.

It's been one of the joys of our lives to be a part of the @DSAForTheMany slate & so @JabariBrisport and I wanted to properly pass the baton on to our new brothers & sisters in #DSAfortheCity.

📸: @karakul pic.twitter.com/KDuIfMg89V

— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) November 15, 2020

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Sunday, 15 November 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

lol they gave them roses like in The Bachelor, drove around the city to all 3 candidates they're endorsing and took pics for the soc media. Genius! That was yesterday--today they're doing the Brooklyn ones apparently. I love to see it <3

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Sunday, 15 November 2020 17:16 (one year ago) link

We started the day with @tiffany_caban.

A career public defender, Tiffany's running in District 22 - my home district!

When she ran for DA, she radically redefined safety so that it leaves none of us behind. Her fight continues this year & she won't stop until justice is won. pic.twitter.com/nDEXZgMGWO

— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) November 15, 2020

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Sunday, 15 November 2020 17:19 (one year ago) link

how about joining the group, expressing your concerns about the individual in question to the individual in question, and then if the issue is not settled to your satisfaction, expressing your concerns about the individual in question privately to the leader(s) of the group, and then if the issue is still not settled to your satisfaction, expressing your concerns to the entire group?

tbf, though it's been a while since I've personally heard of such cases (again, off twitter), there were definitely some instances where the formal group/chapter mechanisms for dealing with abusers/offenders were clearly not adequate

it bangs for thee (Simon H.), Sunday, 15 November 2020 17:24 (one year ago) link

zohran rocks

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 15 November 2020 17:37 (one year ago) link

assholes associated with the DSA online

We just cleared that up but you decided to dip back to it for some reason, that's not a claim anyone has made.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Sunday, 15 November 2020 20:10 (one year ago) link

Your local DSA chapter pic.twitter.com/ZsdNukqDKs

— Voodoo Pork (@Voodoo_Pork) February 18, 2020

john shopkins (naus), Monday, 16 November 2020 07:40 (one year ago) link

lol

imago, Monday, 16 November 2020 08:51 (one year ago) link

The next Obama is in DSA right now trying to score

— Khaled 🚌 (@kboulos79) November 18, 2020

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 19 November 2020 14:20 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

yeah true maybe they should roll up into state capitols heavily armed

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 16 May 2020 18:13 (eight months ago) bookmarkflaglink

Woahhhh hang on a sec what did this guy know

scampsite (darraghmac), Saturday, 13 February 2021 01:37 (one year ago) link

Hey guy, same thing as anyone else I guess. maga idiots were rolling up into state capitols heavily armed last spring while everyone shrugged. and that if anyone left of David Frum were to do anything but bitch on the internet they’d be mowed down in a matter of minutes

Washington Generals D-League affiliate (will), Saturday, 13 February 2021 04:24 (one year ago) link


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