US Politics, May 2020 — I will never lie to you. You have my word on that.

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i mean, look at his record

Karl Malone, Friday, 22 May 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

Oh yay

https://www.wcax.com/content/news/China-focus-on-jobs-fighting-virus-as-layoffs-sweep-globe-570686091.html

Obviously he has no legal authority to do it, but we know what will happen.

1) Trump-friendly Governors, most will do what he says

2) Those who refuse, he'll threaten to withhold Federal funds

3) Lawsuits will probably filed in reaction to this Quid Pro sequel, to block withholding of funds

4) Hundreds of churches if not more reopen.

I fucking hate this man, this country. If only these assholes would just be killing themselves and not other people

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Friday, 22 May 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link

One thing I did on this beautiful #EarthDay is read Ed Markey's seminal climate legislation, Waxman-Markey.

(JK it is 185302598475 pages)

But here is a fun fact. One word NOT included in said seminal climate legislation:

Justice.

— Emily Kaufman (@emilybrowne) April 22, 2020

Reincarnate Lee Harvey Oswald

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:03 (three years ago) link

"I tested very positively in a — in another sense. So this morning, yeah — I tested positively toward negative, right? So, no, I tested perfectly this morning. Meaning — meaning I tested negative. But that’s a way of saying it: Positively toward the negative."

https://youtu.be/Vah-601KJzg

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 22 May 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/22/opinion/coronavirus-senate-unemployment.html

Lawmakers need to start thinking beyond the near term. One obvious way to drive economic recovery while looking to the future: a major infrastructure package.

Shoring up roads and bridges, updating lead-riddled water systems, investing in broadband and renewable energy — the United States has a nearly limitless number of projects that need to be addressed. (Parts of Central Michigan are underwater right now, and 10,000 people have been evacuated, following two catastrophic dam failures.) Interest rates are low, and workers are readily available. The government can ease the nation’s pain by spending while the private sector is convalescing.

President Trump has long expressed an openness to infrastructure investment. Some Republican lawmakers are sounding similarly inclined. “I want to do infrastructure,” Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina told CNN this week, noting that he’d told the president this “really is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to give a face-lift to the country.”

j., Saturday, 23 May 2020 13:54 (three years ago) link

what America needs right now more than anything is infrastructure week

a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:03 (three years ago) link

not sure what to make of comparing fixing vital infrastructure to cosmetic surgery, feels telling

dip to dup (rob), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link

give our highways some breast implants while you're at it

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:42 (three years ago) link

Give unemployment a little lipo

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link

Unfortunately, the way that metaphor would actually work is trimming the fat from entitlements to give the military a bigger butt

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link

Kayleigh McEnany, who provided this thread title--caught the tail end of the briefing yesterday (I thought they'd stopped doing them altogether). She is totally Sean Spicer Part II. Besides goading the room, she's condescending as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnAbeCGNPe4

"Perhaps if I write them out in a slide format--maybe we're visual learners."

clemenza, Saturday, 23 May 2020 14:57 (three years ago) link

you could write it in cuneiform and it wouldn't change the stupidity of what yr saying, Kayleigh

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link

i can't fucking deal with that, had to turn off at 5 minutes, she enrages me

akm, Saturday, 23 May 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link

i know why Infrastructure Week is a running joke. it's the trump admin's fallback "this is the serious thing we're working on" item when they need to distract. however, it must be said: it's really, really sad that Infrastructure Week hasn't actually taken place, 3 and a half years into the trump admin. at this point it's worth pushing it to a democratic administration so that the infrastructure can be Green Infrastructure, as much as possible (especially upgrading the grid). but they really could and should have done something years ago. it's sad

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 May 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link

if the republicans really cared about governing i think they could have pushed this through during the first couple years of the admin. i think they'd easily be able to pick off enough democratic votes to pass it in a technically "bipartisan" way, too. oh well.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 May 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link

Green New Deal is the Democrats' version of Infrastructure Week, but a little better focused and much more seriously intended.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

yep, and it's going to run into a steamroll of opposition, too, sadly. i am gearing up for a couple years of agony (but also progress) for what's likely to happen in 2021-22 under the administration of the most inspirational leader of the 21st century, joe biden. i am guessing that if the green new deal can get some momentum (and it fucking better - it has to) it will be a war on the level of the obamacare wars of 2009-2010. it will be agonizing.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 May 2020 17:08 (three years ago) link

I honestly try to avoid hearing about the progress of The Wall, but I understand it is continuing and costing lots of $$ (corruptly of course). I don't need to say this to you guys, but obviously infrastructure talk was always a lie to win votes and nothing more. Contradicting myself and giving a hateful prick the benefit of the doubt, but I assume Graham called it a "face-lift" to find some new way to appeal to trump's pathetically limited preoccupations

dip to dup (rob), Saturday, 23 May 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link

i'm not sure i'm following what you're saying. you mean "infrastructure week" is just code for "build the wall", and people like graham get that but they can't convince trump and other top officials to actually put in the work to pass legislation on it?

when i'm talking about infrastructure, i mean actual infrastructure. i assume graham and trump and his whole universe of fucking pricks are talking about the most possibly racist version of infrastructure that they can possibly imagine, because that's what they do with every policy area. that's their thing. but there's still a very overwhelming case for actual infrastructure that should be obvious to all of congress. the grid needs a massive upgrade everywhere in the country, not just in liberal enclaves

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 May 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link

sorry Karl, I wasn't really directly responding to your posts. I was incoherently reacting to two things:
1) This line in the NYT article: "President Trump has long expressed an openness to infrastructure investment," which strikes me as naive. I'd say "infrastructure week" was code for "vote for me" and "I am the building guy who builds things" and not much else. It holds as much value as him screaming about how he brought jobs back to the USA. Building the wall is its own mythology, however...

2) The enraging fact that wall construction is continuing while the republicans tell us there's no money available for economic relief. ftr, I wholeheartedly agree that infrastructure spending is vitally necessary and that should be obvious to everyone. I still think about this chilling Dan Rather investigation I watched like a decade ago about how absolutely fucked all the bridges in america are.

dip to dup (rob), Saturday, 23 May 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link

come on, so millions of Americans will either go bankrupt or be relying on food banks to eat, and probably be forced to leave their homes when the moratorium on the evictions/foreclosures ends, and businesses are going under, clearly the best way to combat that is continuing to build a wall that will provide prosperity for all.

1. Build the wall
2. keep out foreigners
3. ???
4. profit!

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Saturday, 23 May 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link

2) The enraging fact that wall construction is continuing while the republicans tell us there's no money available for economic relief.

14 miles of new bollard fencing (WALL) has been constructed, at a cost of $3.26 billion.

Bleeqwot (sic), Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link

Just a few thousand miles left!

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

Man even before pandemic I hadn't heard about the immigration "crisis" in quite awhile

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link

Nobody wants to come here now because Covid-19.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link

With the possible exception of thousands of asylum-seekers from Central America forced back into Mexico to await hearings that the Trump administration is ensuring they will never get. Probably not so many Norwegians, Trump's favorite non-shithole-country immigrants, clamoring to get in right now.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link

xpost np rob, that makes sense!

Karl Malone, Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link

XP Well, yeah.

In the early days of the pandemic, Dan Crenshaw and other water carriers/boot lickers were citing the new travel bans (and other immigration hurdles, like THE WALL) as ways to stop/contain the spread, but they've all since moved on to other talking points.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 May 2020 19:51 (three years ago) link

I HOPE ALL AFRICAN AMERICANS WILL READ AND STUDY THIS. 100% CORRECT. SLEEPY JOE WILL NEVER GET YOU THERE. HE NEVER HAS IN THE PAST. I WILL & HAVE!!! https://t.co/j15DLun4KV

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 24, 2020

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 May 2020 02:42 (three years ago) link

They're reemerging from the slime pit of 2016: first, Kayleigh McEnany, now Katrina Pierson. Calling Jeffrey Lord.

clemenza, Sunday, 24 May 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link

Heard new infrastructure plan includes building a pyramid to pharaoh twoscoop in vegas. biggest. ever. real stone. classy.

fucktons of manual labor involved. possible guest worker visas! it’s lifetime employment, no bennies, one-way agreement with bulletproof ndas.

inveterate practitioner of antisocial distancing (Hunt3r), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:19 (three years ago) link

you’d think republicans would be all over infrastructure because it gives them a chance to shovel money directly from the taxpayer to all their developer/contractor friends

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link

It would probably be a win for them, but they shut it down in the Obama years also, they can't allow anything that benefits both parties.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 May 2020 15:54 (three years ago) link

Yeah exactly, it’s actually too on the nose to write a bill that specifically calls out red states by name as the only beneficiaries, so better to write nothing at all

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

disagree. nothing is too on the nose for these jackals. optics mean nothing, principle means nothing. so i dgi.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link

It would never get past the house if it only called out reliable red states because it would leave too many rural GOP congresspeople hanging. So it’s too on the nose and impossible to squeeze through the legislature.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:03 (three years ago) link

The only way to make it work is compromise, and at least one side would rather just burn shit down.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link

you’d think republicans would be all over infrastructure because it gives them a chance to shovel money directly from the taxpayer to all their developer/contractor friends

they've found ways to do that without making their developer friends actually spend the money on building anything.

besides, making it look like government is capable of improving anything is against the creed

mookieproof, Sunday, 24 May 2020 20:05 (three years ago) link

golf (exercise)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 25 May 2020 04:03 (three years ago) link

http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/politics/trump-threatens-charlotte-republican-convention/index.html

I would think you'd gladly call his bluff. I know a convention, under normal circumstances, is worth tens of millions in tourism, but unless you think all of this is miraculously gone by August, that won't be anywhere near the case this time. I'd jump at any chance to get it moved somewhere else.

clemenza, Monday, 25 May 2020 14:01 (three years ago) link

Man, Pence's response is master class in oleaginous kiss-assery.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 May 2020 14:07 (three years ago) link

of course he has to add in some total fucking nonsense like "we would be spending millions of dollars building the Arena to a very high standard" about a facility that's already home to an NBA franchise. unless the RNC is planning on leaving behind some three-point shooters and draft picks, then maybe we can talk.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:08 (three years ago) link

we'll build a new arena using corpses as the foundation

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:20 (three years ago) link

I would think you'd gladly call his bluff. I know a convention, under normal circumstances, is worth tens of millions in tourism, but unless you think all of this is miraculously gone by August, that won't be anywhere near the case this time. I'd jump at any chance to get it moved somewhere else.

Apparently Charlotte was the only city that put in a bid in the first place. So...

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link

Oh I hope he moves it to a state where they let him pack thousands and thousands of republicans in tight to a confined space in August.

akm, Monday, 25 May 2020 15:49 (three years ago) link

and then seal it shut shortly before the end of the convention so they can't get out and infect other people.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Monday, 25 May 2020 15:50 (three years ago) link

Apparently Charlotte was the only city that put in a bid in the first place. So...

If you're a Democratic governor, that might even increase the temptation to call his bluff. If he has nowhere else to go, you'll force him to publically recant (and, no doubt, concoct some preposterous rationale for doing so).

clemenza, Monday, 25 May 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link

"As we have no intention of easing precautions whatsoever, we understand totally why the president will need to relocate. With all respect to the president and the Republican party, we will not contest this."

clemenza, Monday, 25 May 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link

bold ignorance

"I love the Great State of North Carolina, so much so that I insisted on having the Republican National Convention in Charlotte at the end of August," Trump said in a series of tweets. "Unfortunately, Democrat Governor, @RoyCooperNC is still in Shutdown mood & unable to guarantee that by August we will be allowed full attendance in the Arena. In other words, we would be spending millions of dollars building the Arena to a very high standard without even knowing if the Democrat Governor would allow the Republican Party to fully occupy the space."

Karl Malone, Monday, 25 May 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link

shutdown mood

Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 25 May 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link


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