I really am sorry for being an ass to you, Branwell. I think your points are well-taken, and my posts were coming from a place of misunderstanding and hurt, not openness.
I appreciate your posts.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
jfc fuck this
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:54 (three years ago) link
Cheers, Table, I appreciate that.
I had a bit of a conversation with FGTI about this last night, and I know this is going to be controversial but...
I spend a lot of time, talking to cis women, and especially older cis women, who have encountered 'terf discouse', in both senses of the word (both transphobic propaganda that preys on feminist concerns; and the demonisation of any cis woman who deviates more than .01mm from the Acceptable Trans Discourse in public.) Sometimes they seek me out, sometimes I DM them privately to say like "hey, you posted this thing - I'm trans, do you want to talk about it?" And we talk about it, privately, and often really, really productively.
Doing the whole 'scream at terf cis women' thing is one of those things that might feel righteous, but is actually super, super counter-productive, on so many levels. It does not help trans causes at all. It actively radicalises the women who are merely curious, or concerned, and pushes them deeper into believing that trans people are bullies. It is almost universally seen as method of shutting down cis women when they try to talk about misogyny, and shutting them up. When I talk to 'terf-curious' women, I often have to do the double-work of literally undoing the damage of ~terf discourse~, before I can even start to talk ~trans stuff~.
If you actually care about trans people, and make things better for us, please, for the love of all that is holy, screaming 'terf' at women is the LEAST effective thing you can do to fight transphobia.
― Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:00 (three years ago) link
xps to Eric: Before Stonewall has been on my list for awhile; will bump it up and have a go sooner based on your recommendation, thanks!
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:03 (three years ago) link
Branwell stop dragging truscum talking points to this board from 2008 tumblr
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
go get J3ss3 Sing@l to interview you if you want attention
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link
Thanks, FGTI and Table for making interesting points, and engaging seriously with the discussion. I really miss discussions on that level, but it's clear there's not much appetite for them among the other regulars. Have a good evening.
― Branwell with an N, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link
Yeah sorry guys, calling an AFAB-transperson (who themselves has not undergone medical transitioning) "truscum" is way outside of my level of comfort and I'm gonna leave this discussion before I start using the word "fuck"
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link
I miss my IRL queer spaces so, so much at the moment. Lockdown has been so hard for that. I miss my queer theory reading group. I miss my various enby groups. I miss queer reading nights at the Feminist Library.
I miss spaces where being COMPLICATED is not automatically equated to being "difficult". Spaces where being "difficult" is celebrated as an inherent part of the complicated panology of queerness, and not pathologised or used as a justification for your abuse.
I miss spaces where "acknowledgement of systemic oppression and power structures" is not dismissed as ~oh noes a conspiracy~ thinking, but considered the structure of fundamental reality.
I miss, most of all, in my queer theory reading group, the respect that we show each other, that we do not automatically reach for the worst, most problematic, negative interpretation of the things we discuss, but that we tease out difficult and thorny and complicated concepts together. That freedom is such a joy, and it's so rare.
The difference, of course, being that it's a lot easier to have a discussion in person than it is among a faceless group of usernames.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link
a summer thread
boy do we need it now
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link
Start it up yourself and you get to pick which letters from the alphabet soup you want.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
Just don’t use “QUILTBAG”
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
i cant even guess if thats a 'real' acronym
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
I've seen it in the wild
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link
So ... in this thread?
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link
Morbz, I know life is shit, no one cares about us, and you've been going through a rough time. I wish you the best, but insulting people who might otherwise be your allies just seems counterproductive and at this point, cruel to all parties involved.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link
oh i havent BEGUN insulting anybody
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:43 (three years ago) link
and i dont need this
i feel the same kinship with LGBHHDGFUUZD people as i do with the right-handed.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link
xp feel free to FINISH anytime soon
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
hairpulling.gif
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, July 29, 2020 11:12 AM (two hours ago)
oh hey just to circle back to this, fuck this and fuck you
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fTXzdHoip8
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
Thread's not doing much to bolster the case for cis gay men rn tbh.
i'd like a case, a nice lager perhaps
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
ftr my good faith/bad faith thread was in response to this thread
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
did i miss something
― clouds, Thursday, 30 July 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link
basically the ILX version of Fox & Friends
now let's do Fox and His Friends
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 July 2020 12:49 (three years ago) link
Kinda already did both
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 July 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
AFAB queerness is valid and fluidity is valid and online experiences are valid, I got screamed at because my advice centred AFAB queer people. (That centring AFAB queer inherently means excluding AMAB queers, but... if a space centres AMAB queer people by default, that's... NOT exclusionary? That's just... what, normal?)
If you make a disparity between AFAB spaces and AMAB spaces, you are literally transphobic.
― braised cod, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link
less AFAB and AMAB, more AHAB (moby dick reference)
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:16 (three years ago) link
I'm on board with that.
― braised cod, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:17 (three years ago) link
ahoy
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:19 (three years ago) link
blow me Ishmael ;)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
call it a braised cod
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 31 July 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
lol
― braised cod, Friday, 31 July 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link
― braised cod
Thanking u for circling back to this
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 19:34 (three years ago) link
That was a genuine thank u!!
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:12 (three years ago) link
sorry silby, I'm new here.
― braised cod, Friday, 31 July 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link
Never admit that, claim you’ve been posting for at least 12 years under various names
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Friday, 31 July 2020 20:20 (three years ago) link
<3
― braised cod, Friday, 31 July 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
Good mourning!
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
Could use a couple more of you over on the Janet poll thread with Brad gone.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
And I remain horny.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
Still fighting anxiety/panic, but at least I'm finally on a prescription.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
Brad left? Oh dear.
Sending all of you lots of love.
― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link
I don't know that for sure; just seems that way since otherwise he'd be all over the Janet poll.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
it's a great poll Eric
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
not v lgbt atm but feel duty-bound to assert in brad's absence that they are a they
― imago, Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link
thanks for being so dutiful
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:36 (three years ago) link
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map)
this, of course, stands for "assigned harpoon at birth"
(no i didn't come up with this, all of these jokes have been told and retold for years)
― Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 6 August 2020 20:44 (three years ago) link