have you quit the labour party yet?

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just want to survey the mood and also curious to hear what reasons ppl have used to make themselves stay (pls be v specific). i have read a lot of stuff since starmer's victory and none of it has been good

Poll Results

OptionVotes
never!! 9
wavering 8
yes 7


ogmor, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link

voted #1 for them last time but have serious misgivings about how the SD's seem to have sprung up under their noses populated and followed by what wouldve seemed on the face of it to be the next generation of what ought to have been their candidates and people

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link

*blinks*

ogmor, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link

just cancelled the dd. Didn't bother with the resignation email. They aren't a party of opposition any more and will only get worse once the guileless fuckwit melt of a leader is stabbed in the back.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:19 (four years ago) link

By the time my trade union processes the necessary paperwork for my subs to be switched to the non-affiliated political fund, the world as we currently understand it won't exist anyway

Dadjokke (Sgt. Biscuits), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link

Did so earlier this week, both dd and through contact form.

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:36 (four years ago) link

does anyone have any hope

ogmor, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link

I only joined in December.

I'm thinking about it.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link

I’ve left the party before, when Miliband was tacking to the right, but am not inclined to do it again yet.

I don’t rate Starmer as a leader but I recognise that the shadow cabinet he has put together is an upgrade on the pre-Corbyn one. It’s also the best we are going to get, either within the Labour Party, or electoral politics in general, any time soon. It’s too early to judge how the policy platform will shake out and whether they’ll cross any of my red lines (triangulation on immigration, welfare, military adventurism, etc) - at which point I may give up completely.

The left isn’t going to retake the Labour Party for a while. The right is far more likely to make a concerted attempt to scuttle Starmer first. Unless there is a particularly compelling reason not to, I’d rather stay to oppose that.

I also look at people like Corbyn, McDonnell, the old guard members, etc, who stuck it out through Kinnock and Blair in the belief that there may be something of value to save and were briefly proved right. They’ve put up with worse.

ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link

I joined by making a contribution and canvassing at the last electoon. Whether I decide to stay or leave is a decision I will make later in the year and will depend on what contribution I can make with others locally. Difficult to be more specific as I was navigating through the thing and then covid hit.

I don't know if reading lots of stuff since Starmer's victory is good for the soul really (I was going to ask for a few links but thought the better of it). Give yourself a break for a few weeks.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:49 (four years ago) link

hope these days is getting 4 pints of milk. There isn't an opposition any more. I didn't vote for 20+ years previously and can easily switch back to that mode. I was born poor as fuck and am used to living poor as fuck and with very low expectations of UK governments and the so called opposition. Fuck 'em all! I've got decades of accumulated hatred and class resentments towards wankers like Starmer and would rather die than give him a vote tbh!

I spent most of the 00's working on the poorest social housing of Yorkshire and don't buy any of the crap about the gains of Blairism. I just despise the Labour Party right now.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:52 (four years ago) link

Hope is not getting 4 pints of milk, we ended up with that this morning. It means we're not getting any on Saturday

Mark G, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:55 (four years ago) link

Keir Starmer’s reshuffle is impressive - the Marxist nutters are out; moderate left are in. When this crisis is eventually over, and politics is resumed, the Tories are going to find that the 5 years when there was no opposition and no alternative has come to an abrupt end

— George Osborne (@George_Osborne) April 9, 2020

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:56 (four years ago) link

xp
hah!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 22:57 (four years ago) link

Good job Osborne, the guy publishing antisemitic cartoons of Starmer’s cabinet yesterday, has no motive for undermining the Labour Party and can be relied on to play with a straight bat or I’d think he’s trolling.

ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:01 (four years ago) link

Could look at the way he has treated the even further right Sadiq Khan for evidence of what he thinks of the ‘soft left’.

ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link

Re: hope. I think it's pretty much clear that: 1) a lot of stuff is happening and 2) a lot of it is bad (but some is good too)

We should not divorce 1 from 2 (and the item in the bracket) either.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link

how good that stuff that is happening rn might be depends on how much you believe this will genuinely be a paradigm shift rather than a precursor for more of the same - but worse.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:10 (four years ago) link

btw if anyone ever falls into food poverty during this lockdown, just remember Mark G doesn't fall into food poverty but he considers that quite a whimsical thing.

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link

wait is this a ukpol thread ffs i wasnt told

ole uncle tiktok (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:22 (four years ago) link

Nah, just trying to keep my own spirits up.

Mark G, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:23 (four years ago) link

soz if I was harsh there Mark!

xp
Get back to your failed melt thread that was like the worst episode of QI ya cunt!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link

Basically, it was a metaphor for how things seem to get better before they start to get worse.

Nothing to do with the subject in hand, I agree. I'm off to bed anyway, gnight.

Mark G, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:31 (four years ago) link

goodnight mark, sorry for being a bit shitty. i'm beyond fresh rn!

calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link

Jealous of your system where a party is a thing you can “join” in a meaningful sense

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link

Here silby on a semi related note we were discussing you on the main thread and you should post there more in our opinion

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link

I’ll see what I can do. I already disappointed lots of folks by forgetting to become a Crystal Palace supporter, as a bit.

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:52 (four years ago) link

Pretty sure imago would not be disappointed by you forgetting to become a Crystal Palace supporter.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 April 2020 23:54 (four years ago) link

"Jealous of your system where a party is a thing you can “join” in a meaningful sense"

it's no good when most of the members are either voting for an insipid establishment melt or the majority that didn't vote because their own "real opposition" media clown wasn't even close to being up to the job. i really miss Corbyn and McD :(

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link

But at least you can quit it now! What a relief.

silby, Friday, 10 April 2020 00:03 (four years ago) link

when posters badmouth them on here I feel like knifing them for real tbh!

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 00:04 (four years ago) link

re osborne, this bizarre inversion where opposition means no opposition is totally doing my head in, as is the fact that some non tories seem to genuinely believe this

but i never joined the party anyway so w/e

reality disliker (Left), Friday, 10 April 2020 00:07 (four years ago) link

try telling some of these "non tories" that they aren't tories. You'd need medieval torture tools to make them admit it and they've got a "plurality of voices" on their side !

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 00:12 (four years ago) link

I wonder if to some extent this idea of 'real opposition' depends on your subconscious conception of what opposition is, whether its something external and existential, a replacement - or whether its more managerial. Almost like the opposition as kind of a wing of the government rather than a replacement for it.

We see this sort of stuff when incoming Labour MPs are asked if they're going to be friendly with Conservatives or not (which is a trick question of course). Was it Pidcock that said she couldn't be? But this then seen as not playing the game, not being respectful to Parliament itself. As somehow ooposed to the concept of parliament and democracy itself

anvil, Friday, 10 April 2020 01:00 (four years ago) link

that makes a lot of sense actually

it's supposed to be her majesty's most loyal opposition after all

reality disliker (Left), Friday, 10 April 2020 01:08 (four years ago) link

I think this is part of it but maybe something deeper but its not easy to unpick - and it may be a difficult tightrope for the left in general to walk (oppositional but seen as able to work within whatever power structures are in place). Much of this is presentational rather than substantive, so that path is there.

I even think there's something in this, as I don't really know how much mileage there is in the combative or confrontational approach (QT etc is cringe-worthy with this stuff, and the weird mixture of acquiescence and bluster from the media ineffectual). Or at least it shouldn't be the only or even main instrument. McD maybe the only person that was able to do this. Theoretically it should be easier to play this kind of game of appealing to people who view things through this lens as its really just packaging but its not easy to see who that might be (Ro Khanna in the US seems someone that maybe might have it but don't know in UK)

anvil, Friday, 10 April 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link

I think we probably need to distinguish between the people pushing this kind of stuff in a kind of fantasy world of 'opponents shaking hands at the end of the day after a fine battle of wills and wits good show pals" and people subconsciously receiving this narrative as 'now we have someone that takes the job seriously instead of just making cheap points" via the media

anvil, Friday, 10 April 2020 01:55 (four years ago) link

Also: how about giving it up for the year and maybe returning to it next year.

Are other people that you know simply quitting and just not engaging in any form of politics? And if they aren't what else are they doing? (I may need some tips lol)

xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 April 2020 09:20 (four years ago) link

I wonder if to some extent this idea of 'real opposition' depends on your subconscious conception of what opposition is, whether its something external and existential, a replacement - or whether its more managerial. Almost like the opposition as kind of a wing of the government rather than a replacement for it.

We see this sort of stuff when incoming Labour MPs are asked if they're going to be friendly with Conservatives or not (which is a trick question of course). Was it Pidcock that said she couldn't be? But this then seen as not playing the game, not being respectful to Parliament itself. As somehow ooposed to the concept of parliament and democracy itself


The civility crowd get wet over good sportsmanship and forensic analysis, not caring how that “good sportsmanship” affects people who aren’t like them, and not understanding that “forensic analysis” is something that mattered when the government adhered to norms.

roxymuzak otm (gyac), Friday, 10 April 2020 09:42 (four years ago) link

I see a lot of ppl fading or quitting who are already busy with jobs and kids. seems like the options are just be casually involved with worthy but isolated small-scale stuff or to attempt to pull everything together yourself. no one ever really worked out what they were doing ofc

ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link

my position equates precisely onto SV's; little more to add

ban laggy jazzer (imago), Friday, 10 April 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link

the ppl railing against despair, the fragmentation of the movement, or bitterly avoiding electoral politics entirely seem to be doing so out of some sense of moral obligation rather than out of any conviction.

ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2020 13:25 (four years ago) link

I've not seen any signs of buyer's remorse from any Kier voters yet. If *this* is what they actually I'm amazed they stuck with Corbyn for so long. But I suppose that is the nature of apolitical happy clappers.

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 13:40 (four years ago) link

onboard/contained

ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2020 13:47 (four years ago) link

I think many of them had contaminated 99's from Owen Smith's Mr Melty ice cream van.

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 13:50 (four years ago) link

Somewhere between wavering and never - I think it's ony prudent to see how things play out but I don't have high hopes.

chap, Friday, 10 April 2020 13:57 (four years ago) link

Even if you had low hopes they pretty much got dashed yesterday! I thought there might be some Kier voters despairing at a shadow cab with Streeting and JP.

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 14:05 (four years ago) link

messaging w/ ppl and I can tell they're hoping I'm going to offer some rousing morale-boosting sentiments and I'm just holding off on saying "mb see how it's going in 4-10 years??"

ogmor, Friday, 10 April 2020 14:18 (four years ago) link

I think that timescale might be oppomistic, but these aren't ordinary times.. You never know.

calzino, Friday, 10 April 2020 14:25 (four years ago) link

A Labour MP and former shadow cabinet member reacts by criticising the selection of Alex Barros-Curtis, the head of Labour's legal unit, as a Labour candidate in the general election on basis he has "wasted eye-watering sums"

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 June 2024 09:14 (one week ago) link

This is really useful. Could Mr Akehurst set himself up as a gatekeeper we could go to, to find out if we qualify as being Jewish? Perhaps he could have a checklist that he could go through with us and then he could decide whether we could have the certificate or not.

— Michael Rosen 💙💙🎓🎓 (@MichaelRosenYes) June 5, 2024

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 June 2024 09:22 (one week ago) link

Big columbo moment when I read this https://t.co/prOxfl2JhF pic.twitter.com/7NFKbIFJQx

— Babble (@Babble____) June 6, 2024

forensic twitter detective confirms what Tim Shipman and Mrs Starmer already knew

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 June 2024 09:30 (one week ago) link

#noweddingringtruther

LaMDA barry-stanners (||||||||), Thursday, 6 June 2024 10:12 (one week ago) link

People like Sultana, Begum can always turn into Indy MPs if it gets to that.

Agree with this. More independent MPs would be good in general, reduce the hold all the parties have if voters punished them for these moves by sticking with their MP over the party more

anvil, Thursday, 6 June 2024 10:13 (one week ago) link

Having published several anti-Corbyn screeds by David Bennun and Taylor Parkes, the meltiness of the Quietus was never in doubt, but still

I campaigned for Faiza at the last election and would have done so again (with reservations) this time around. Standing as an independent is a really bad idea that risks splitting the vote and allowing Iain Duncan Smith, one of the worst Tories in my lifetime, to get back in. pic.twitter.com/WvGz07qyYS

— Luke Turner (@LukeTurnerEsq) June 5, 2024

Maggy Scraggle, Thursday, 6 June 2024 10:24 (one week ago) link

That kind of solidifies it for me. Its not only a good idea for her (and others) to stand as independents, to some degree its incumbent on them to do so, to curtail party bureaucracy from making these kinds of decisions

anvil, Thursday, 6 June 2024 10:33 (one week ago) link

Labour clearly think unseating IDS is less important than being racist cunts, maybe that’s something that can be interrogated idk

subpost master (wins), Thursday, 6 June 2024 10:42 (one week ago) link

5th July will feel terrible. Our enemies will have (temporarily) won :-(

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 June 2024 09:14 (two hours ago)

They are everyone's enemies though*, and it won't take long for the British public to realise

*apart from fanatical Atlanticists and Israel stans

glumdalclitch, Thursday, 6 June 2024 11:04 (one week ago) link

even if Faiza's key motivation is revenge rather than political principles, as this Quietus dickhead is suggesting - then I'd say so fucking what. Anyone humiliated and treated as badly as she was would want revenge. As if vote-splitting is the important issue when the party has gone full BNP. Some dreadful Labour austerity and immigration policies are coming whether IDS is turfed out or not, which judged by the dire campaign rhetoric, could be worse than what we've already got.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 June 2024 11:24 (one week ago) link

Fully agree. She’ll have loads of volunteers to help her.

guillotine vogue (suzy), Thursday, 6 June 2024 11:25 (one week ago) link

If IDS remains a tory mp he's less likely to be given a job by Keith lol

Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 6 June 2024 11:27 (one week ago) link

Why is this prick pissing and moaning over one seat when they’re supposed to win a huge majority?

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, 6 June 2024 11:27 (one week ago) link

he's questioning her motivation for running, but will happily vote for someone who passes the Morgan McSweeney test i.e. not one of them election losing trots and obviously with the purest of political motivations, a high quality candidate.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 June 2024 12:18 (one week ago) link

I think the Labour right will not be able to resist making the left into "national enemies/traitors" one in power, and contriving ways to blame them for whatever doesn't go according to plan. So that tweet is I think symptomatic of their authoritarianism and the full-channels hegemony that they plan to cultivate. No dissent will be - or is - tolerated.

glumdalclitch, Thursday, 6 June 2024 12:38 (one week ago) link

This misunderstands a decade of austerity, inflationary pressures we are all facing and the stuff that's coming

https://www.ft.com/content/6d1779c2-f3e3-467d-b49e-133220c51ec6

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 June 2024 12:39 (one week ago) link

Terrifying.

EXCLUSIVE: Former Labour councillor and Apsana Begum's ex-husband to stand against her in Tower Hamlets as an independenthttps://t.co/yd1tMZdcrv

— Left Foot Forward (@LeftFootFwd) June 8, 2024

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 8 June 2024 14:27 (one week ago) link

One seat where I hope Labour annihilates the independent.

Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Saturday, 8 June 2024 14:57 (one week ago) link

this guy’s a real piece of work

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 8 June 2024 16:55 (one week ago) link

Such an arsehole. This is not illegal but it is definitely malicious. I think she has a restraining order against him?

guillotine vogue (suzy), Saturday, 8 June 2024 17:10 (one week ago) link

This is not my house. https://t.co/4V7f0v2aol pic.twitter.com/rl2LKRx4vI

— Jenny Chapman (@JennyChapman) February 19, 2020

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 8 June 2024 20:42 (one week ago) link

cunts

The Tories unfunded spending commitments are a risk to you. The money isn't there. pic.twitter.com/SUxEUMotXL

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) June 10, 2024

glumdalclitch, Monday, 10 June 2024 20:16 (six days ago) link

we're well into the "genuinely afraid of this lot getting in" phase

Labour will clamp down on dirt-bikes being used for antisocial behaviour. pic.twitter.com/FWscLJJ0PZ

— The Labour Party (@UKLabour) June 10, 2024

i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Monday, 10 June 2024 20:26 (six days ago) link

"give the police new powers" is not a phrase you ever want to see, in any context

prog's nearly man (Matt #2), Monday, 10 June 2024 20:28 (six days ago) link

Is that a fake? Omg!

xyzzzz__, Monday, 10 June 2024 21:40 (six days ago) link

dear kieth,

the one or two times a year on average I see young ppl rarsing scrambler bikes about in the park would be concerning if I was park-keeper. But they only existed in the comics of my childhood and I don't give a fuck.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 10 June 2024 22:09 (six days ago) link

Fake or not my point stands

prog's nearly man (Matt #2), Monday, 10 June 2024 22:13 (six days ago) link

not a fake video, but most certainly one made by bad actor phonies

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Monday, 10 June 2024 22:19 (six days ago) link

Never heard of dirt bikes being used for antisocial behaviour personally but it's obviously one of the vital issues of the day.

Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Monday, 10 June 2024 22:35 (six days ago) link

The BMX Bandits must be stopped

Taking a tough line on Junior Kick Start

Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 07:02 (five days ago) link

That Labour videos makes me think of shady personal injury lawyers advertising on late night TV. Have you been injured by a child on a dirt bike? Call Keir “The Hammer” Starmer!

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 07:13 (five days ago) link

Well he is a shady lawyer after all.

Poets Win Prizes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 07:21 (five days ago) link

Keir "Special K" Starmer

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 June 2024 07:52 (five days ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERJrubqWAAEA4wF?format=jpg&name=900x900

This is not my beautiful wife

Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 08:23 (four days ago) link

This is not my house. https://t.co/4V7f0v2aol pic.twitter.com/rl2LKRx4vI

— Jenny Chapman (@JennyChapman) February 19, 2020

Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 08:24 (four days ago) link

This is not my beautiful wife

Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 08:24 (four days ago) link

Got there in the end eh

Ethinically Ambigaus (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 12 June 2024 08:27 (four days ago) link

i tried doing that exact post and got logged out of ilx instead and gave up

plax (ico), Friday, 14 June 2024 14:13 (two days ago) link

Seen this irritating take a couple of times now. Corbyn is at heart a backbench MP who went to an incredible place. That he nearly became PM and showed how fragile the establishment can be is for someone else to note and do things about.

Corbyn spent 5 years campaigning to get back into Labour, rather than taking part in building an alternative. What a waste of years.

— Michael Walsh (@thatbloodyMikey) June 13, 2024

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2024 17:25 (two days ago) link

Mikey is - rightfully I think - extremely angry and dismissive of Labour, but it doesn't make him the most nuanced critic of party politics

i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:23 (two days ago) link

anyone in Islington keep an eye out for this prick

Peter Mandelson is doing everything he can to make sure Jeremy Corbyn is defeated in Islington North. pic.twitter.com/M6Ddua6HUR

— Saul Staniforth (@SaulStaniforth) June 14, 2024

I think you mean Peter Mandelson is doing everything he can to make sure Jeremy Corbyn wins in Islington North.

ILX: a violent left-wing mob who hate our country (Tom D.), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:44 (two days ago) link

Corbyn was made of strong stuff, when you look at how much Kieth has aged in 4 years and he didn't even face a fraction of the stress and daily slurs, backstabbing plots etc.. Jez had to. But ultimately he's a 70 odd yr old bloke who was reluctant to cut his ties as a Labour lifer. You need to appreciate the human and emotional side of that, as much as we all despise the party now, he still believed in working within it until that position was officially not an option. Now he can run as independent, without any regret because they made the decision for him.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:49 (two days ago) link

Peter, tell us please what was your business in making multiple luxury trips to a location now known as “paedophile island”

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Friday, 14 June 2024 18:56 (two days ago) link

Mikey is - rightfully I think - extremely angry and dismissive of Labour, but it doesn't make him the most nuanced critic of party politics

― i love a man in a unicorn (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 June 2024 bookmarkflaglink

I like his posts quite a bit. You'd have to be a saint not to be angry at what's happened.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2024 19:32 (two days ago) link

Someone in the local Lab Left (most have left the party) is saying that Corbyn doesn't have much by way of canvassers. Not sure how reliable that is. I hope he can pull through. His constituents deserve him.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 15 June 2024 11:55 (yesterday) link

FWIW I know that dozens of Labour members in Chingford resigned to support Faiza Shaheen. You'd have thought Corbyn would have got a similar response.

Nasty, Brutish & Short, Saturday, 15 June 2024 12:38 (yesterday) link

I have seen pictures of big crowds turning to support Corbyn from today, although that doesn't necessarily mean large numbers of canvassers.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 15 June 2024 12:48 (yesterday) link

Labour is doing its best to claim there’s little support for @jeremycorbyn in Islington North, meanwhile hundreds have turned up today to support his campaign. #VoteCorbyn #DefendTheNHS pic.twitter.com/UyJu5Vqpz1

— Shabbir Lakha (@ShabbirLakha) June 15, 2024

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 15 June 2024 12:51 (yesterday) link


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