rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

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Trump is probably gonna win and we’re gonna need this thread

silby, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 22:30 (one year ago) link

the electorate is never wrong

ogmor, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 22:32 (one year ago) link

I'm not concerned about Trump getting more votes than Biden, he almost certainly won't, but I do worry that the Supreme Court basically gave the GOP permission to disenfranchise large amounts of voters and throw away absentee ballots. I know a lotta people don't take Trump saying stuff like "vote by mail is illegitimate" seriously but lets see what happens if/when he actually loses

frogbs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:11 (one year ago) link

our catechism must be:

increasing isolation? good!
emboldening? bad!

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:06 (one year ago) link

leon czolgosz did nothing wrong

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:12 (one year ago) link

I know a lotta people don't take Trump saying stuff like "vote by mail is illegitimate" seriously

i do. i don't know why others don't. he's saying the quiet part out loud, when a more competent GOP person would just litigate it and let the GOP-selected judges do the work of disenfranchising voters. that's what they'll do under trump, too, but he's doing us the favor of yelling out his intentions so they can at least be critiqued (and hopefully counteracted).

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:44 (one year ago) link

but instead everybody's just like "keep your head down and...vote?"

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:45 (one year ago) link

or you know, try to vote, knowing that a ton of the people you need to vote with you aren't going to do it because they don't want to die

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:45 (one year ago) link

on the flip side

new @CNN poll of registered voters:

Biden 53%
Trump 42%

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) April 9, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:53 (one year ago) link

the good news is that even though voters will (once again) be disenfranchised, we're starting from an even better margin the time that h clinton lost by negative 3 million votes. and it's not due to biden being good or inspirational. he 's standing in for the steaming pile of shit in the well-worn phrase "i'd vote for a steaming pile of shit before i'd vote for donald fucking trump".

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:55 (one year ago) link

for the second time in 4 years, we've been handed a choice between donald trump and literally a steaming pile of shit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:55 (one year ago) link

Would've bet on trump (almost did bet on biden to win democratic nomination and trump to win the general at the beginning of the year but the odds were below 2/1) but COVID throws in a dollop of unpredictability

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:58 (one year ago) link

for the second time in 4 years, we've been handed a choice between donald trump and literally a steaming pile of shit

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

i'm working really hard not to play grammar police here karl, i'm trying to be a good descriptivist but i can't get over my white privilege hangup that people should not use "literally" when they mean "figuratively"

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:59 (one year ago) link

Hilary Clinton >> Joe Biden

But that's for another thread. No doubt Fred will poll them.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:01 (one year ago) link

Hilary Clinton had a functioning brain and many people were genuinely invigorated by her candidacy

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:04 (one year ago) link

exactly

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:05 (one year ago) link

xp i call out people on the literally thing too. but the thing is, when i see donald trump, i see a big pile of shit with steam coming off of it, with a little crevice in the side moving up and down in time with the words that he speaks. he literally is a steaming pile of shit, and apparently 53% of voters also see it

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:06 (one year ago) link

she still lost white women though

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:06 (one year ago) link

Hilary Clinton >> Joe Biden

i agree too, it's a mistake to lump them into the same category. but i had to hold my nose for her all the same

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:07 (one year ago) link

She was definitely a much better candidate, but people didn't absolutely hate Trump the way they do now. hard to remember now but there was a time when a lot of online folks liked Trump b/c he was just eviscerating the GOP

frogbs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:10 (one year ago) link

I think enthusiasm for a candidate augurs success more often than people hating their opponent

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:13 (one year ago) link

Hillary would’ve made a better president and seemed smart and alert and awake but ppl hated her guts and they don’t feel the same about Biden

Mordy, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:14 (one year ago) link

she did seem alert and awake! and sadly those do put her in another league, as a candidate

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:21 (one year ago) link

xp i call out people on the literally thing too. but the thing is, when i see donald trump, i see a big pile of shit with steam coming off of it, with a little crevice in the side moving up and down in time with the words that he speaks. he literally is a steaming pile of shit, and apparently 53% of voters also see it


This is even more confusing because the literal pile steaming pile of shit was the alternative to trump in the post rush was being pedantic about

Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:22 (one year ago) link

Not that I disagree

Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:23 (one year ago) link

In a just world, Hillary would be a stronger candidate than Biden, and I say that as someone who doesn't like Hillary much. But Biden Obama's VP and a good ole white guy.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:25 (one year ago) link

it's up to Biden to fuck it up, and I trust he can do it.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:26 (one year ago) link

yeah, i mean i'm not going to complain if you call donald trump literally a steaming pile of shit, but to call hillary clinton literally a steaming pile of shit seems slightly... hyperbolic?

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:27 (one year ago) link

I wouldn't bet a dollar on the outcome. I've generally thought GENERIC DEMOCRAT would win for the last couple of years and Trump will win people were just doomsayers, but so much of Trump's insanity seems to have been normalized and Biden is such a uniquely terrible candidate (we haven't even gotten to the BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA stage of things) that I wouldn't begin to guess how this will turn out.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:35 (one year ago) link

but to call hillary clinton literally a steaming pile of shit seems slightly... hyperbolic?

yes, this is the part where i made a mistake, i readily admit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:41 (one year ago) link

oh wait, and i called biden a literally steaming pile of shit, too.

welp

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:42 (one year ago) link

look in the time of coronavirus, etc etc, mistakes are made

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:42 (one year ago) link

Everyone who voted for the Iraq war is a steaming pile of shit

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:42 (one year ago) link

let me fix this for the record: we're faced with a decision between a literally steaming pile of shit and a figuratively steaming pile of shit. in 2016 the choice was between a literally steaming pile of shit and however we want to figuratively refer to hillary clinton

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:44 (one year ago) link

firm, but fair

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:46 (one year ago) link

Hillary would’ve made a better president and seemed smart and alert and awake but ppl hated her guts and they don’t feel the same about Biden

this is my one hope for 2020, people were mobilized to vote against Hillary in ways they won't be for Biden. I had coworkers who hated her guts for no discernable reason. we rag on the GOP for the way they fired off bad-faith attacks on her for 20 years but it sure as hell paid off

I wouldn't bet a dollar on the outcome. I've generally thought GENERIC DEMOCRAT would win for the last couple of years and Trump will win people were just doomsayers, but so much of Trump's insanity seems to have been normalized and Biden is such a uniquely terrible candidate (we haven't even gotten to the BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA stage of things) that I wouldn't begin to guess how this will turn out.

well the fact that "the president doesn't have a functioning brain" is now normalized is probably a point in favor of Biden now, sadly. by and large this is just what we've always known, most voters don't care about racism, corruption, lying, dead people in foreign countries, etc. etc...but once they start losing their jobs and having people they know die as a direct result of the President's incompetence, things might change. murdering 1,500,000 brown people on false pretenses didn't hurt GWB. the financial crisis and Katrina did.

frogbs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:47 (one year ago) link

I honestly don’t think Trump comes off as nearly as senile as Biden. We’re mostly judging him on content but he’s still a pretty confident speaker. Biden genuinely sounds like my 92-year old grandfather in the final year ‘decline phase.’

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:52 (one year ago) link

is this also the thread for "we're gonna have a Republican judiciary + sham elections for the rest of our lives"

lukas, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:42 (one year ago) link

however we want to figuratively refer to hillary clinton

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

if you're asking my preference, i would prefer we not refer to hillary clinton, figuratively or otherwise. that's probably not a reasonable request, but it just seems like picking at an old wound that will fucking never heal over.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:47 (one year ago) link

is this also the thread for "we're gonna have a Republican judiciary + sham elections for the rest of our lives"

― lukas

i feel like we should have a separate thread for long-term doom-mongering and we could try to keep this to 2020-only doom-mongering? but it's not my thread.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:48 (one year ago) link

HRC is a white supremacist mass murderer who is partly responsible for this shitshow why should she get a pass

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:16 (one year ago) link

So good to finally have someone on this board who can weigh in from The Left.

☮️ (peace, man), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:25 (one year ago) link

HRC is a white supremacist mass murderer who is partly responsible for this shitshow why should she get a pass

shit really? Perhaps there should be some congressional hearings.

cuomo money, cuomo problems (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:27 (one year ago) link


I honestly don’t think Trump comes off as nearly as senile as Biden. We’re mostly judging him on content but he’s still a pretty confident speaker. Biden genuinely sounds like my 92-year old grandfather in the final year ‘decline phase.’

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree. i think it's hard to imagine Biden beating anyone but 799 people died in my state today of the virus trump was denying was a problem about a month ago so WHO KNOWS

treeship., Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:28 (one year ago) link

Dumb asshole is gonna win, ffs

silby, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 01:13 (one year ago) link

This site has enough rolling 77 threads for griping.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 01:16 (one year ago) link

The thread title says what it’s for, it’s for this, so it doesn’t go in other threads

silby, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 01:22 (one year ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFrynfU4AASTY5?format=jpg&name=medium

Low numbers for Biden in both Trust and Don't Trust, so he does have room to improve if he's able to become more visible

anvil, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 02:45 (one year ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFrynfU4AASTY5?format=jpg&name=medium

anvil, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 02:46 (one year ago) link

its tough when every major news network gives a free 2 hour commercial to your opponent every single night

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 02:54 (one year ago) link

Ah, yr not gonna top what actually happened

Mark G, Monday, 9 November 2020 07:14 (six months ago) link

Masha Gessen is a kook, wouldn't listen to much to what she's saying.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Monday, 9 November 2020 12:25 (six months ago) link

I am not concerned about any coup nonsense; a ums pointed out, these guys would pull of a coup that ended with them hanging off a bridge over the Potomac.

I am worried about an effective transition due to the hollowing out of agency professionals over the last 4 years and a determination by Trump goons to hamstring the next administration as much as possible. Even little things like passwords and legacy knowledge are going to be lacking.

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Monday, 9 November 2020 13:21 (six months ago) link

of = off

the colour out of space (is the place) (PBKR), Monday, 9 November 2020 13:21 (six months ago) link

BUt what if the next wave of GOPers has a few more braincells. Is the world f-ed.
or is this the last stand of a dying brand.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 November 2020 13:34 (six months ago) link

Cobra Kai Never Dies, my friend

Nhex, Monday, 9 November 2020 13:48 (six months ago) link

Masha Gessen is a kook


How tf do you figure

The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:35 (six months ago) link

Also *they

The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:36 (six months ago) link

I've liked their New Yorker stuff.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 November 2020 16:38 (six months ago) link

Trump is not complex. His declaration of victory "by a lot" was an attempt at an autocratic breakthrough. But, typically for him, it was only effective at deluding his most clueless supporters, who are mostly good for driving around in pickups yelling "we love Trump". They aren't organized and he has no interest in organizing them, so they're useless to him for overturning the election.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:01 (six months ago) link

my mom called Trumps voter fraud line and told them she saw a guy in Atlanta alter the ballots by staring at them for several minutes

brimstead, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:06 (six months ago) link

<3

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:06 (six months ago) link

(It was a prank call, maybe shouldn’t have posted that)

brimstead, Monday, 9 November 2020 18:07 (six months ago) link

Trump is not complex. His declaration of victory "by a lot" was an attempt at an autocratic breakthrough. But, typically for him, it was only effective at deluding his most clueless supporters, who are mostly good for driving around in pickups yelling "we love Trump". They aren't organized and he has no interest in organizing them, so they're useless to him for overturning the election.

― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Monday, November 9, 2020 1:01 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'd say this is right, which is why I both agree that Trump was attempting *something* and that at the same time calling it a fancy term like "autocratic breakthrough" gives it too much credit. He's reacting instinctively and trying everything he can, but it's not like he developed some sophisticated plot to remain in office/seize power. He doesn't have the chops or the wherewithal for a true autocratic breakthrough, even as POTUS. In the same sense that it would be a stretch to call the Whitmer kidnapping plot an "attempted coup," since they didn't get that close, and even if they had kidnapped her it's not like they could have overthrown the government of Michigan.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:09 (six months ago) link

the phrase "autocratic attempt" is a good one, i think, because he really did try to cancel the popular will and re-install himself as prez with his attacks on the mail and the legitimacy of the electoral process. it's looking like he failed, but he did "attempt" it.

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:16 (six months ago) link

somewhat half-assedly of course

The Bosom Manor Michaelmas Special (silby), Monday, 9 November 2020 18:17 (six months ago) link

rolling trump is gonna coup containment thread

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 November 2020 21:34 (six months ago) link

Coup coup kachoo

I know, but when's the joke coming that that's the punchline for?

Mark G, Monday, 9 November 2020 21:42 (six months ago) link

got stuck in a doctor’s waiting room today and dealt with a half hour harangue by some older dude about how trump is gonna pull it out (fake signatures on ballots on Wisconsin) and I said “uh huh” so many times that I died

Clay, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 00:20 (six months ago) link

can't wait til audits causes Trump to lose votes in recounts

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 00:22 (six months ago) link

Clay, you have more fortitude than I do. I would have told that geezer to fuck off.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 00:57 (six months ago) link

Trump is prepping to quell mass protests if he manages to stay in power. Firing of Esper is part of a contingency plan that has been in place for just this occasion. I’m not saying he can pull this off, but he’s ready to try. Obviously Trump is too inept/lazy to orchestrate a coup, but I smell Barr all over this.

epistantophus, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 01:15 (six months ago) link

The last thing I want to smell is Barr on anything.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Tuesday, 10 November 2020 01:25 (six months ago) link

The SecDef - especially a new one - is not going to have the leverage they need here. They would need to fire the generals that aren't loyal.

lukas, Tuesday, 10 November 2020 02:07 (six months ago) link

Pivoting from the general politics thread, as it better belongs here:

It's rich to see so many in the media claiming the 2024 nomination is "Trump's if he wants it

I can pretty easily see him elected again in 4 years, when a lot of mitigating factors will likely be ... de-mitigated? The things working against him are harder to gauge: his age (though he'd be as old as Biden is now), his health, his legal jeopardy (though iirc a felon can still run for president). But worst of all, as hopeless as congress will be for the next couple of years, if Trump immediately runs again then a whole bunch of basic safeguards that need to be bolstered or put back in place could fail to take root, as the GOP, still controlled/dominated by Asshole, will absolutely block even basic precautionary measures, claiming they are being pushed to prevent Trump from winning again, which of course would be cheating/a preememptive coup/undemocratic/some bullshit. Which makes the GA races all the more key, to get stuff enacted while the Dems can.

Best case scenario, if he runs, is he runs third party.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:14 (six months ago) link

this is why they need to prosecute him, not that going to jail for a little while will stop him from running again.

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:23 (six months ago) link

or +- 45% of the country from voting for him anyway

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:24 (six months ago) link

this is why they need to prosecute him

"They," who? The incoming DOJ?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:27 (six months ago) link

better send him to jail.
or somehow help him off thsi mortal coil.
Tie him to McConnell and see how well they float . Maybe its time they initaited Space Force all by themselves like and cut the budget so teh spaceship gets returned like an OP bus w/o them

Stevolende, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:29 (six months ago) link

we call that pulling an "Event Horizon"

Nhex, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:30 (six months ago) link

I could see him running from prison a la Larouche and doing quite well

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:31 (six months ago) link

A fitting retirement plan for a crime boss.

pomenitul, Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:33 (six months ago) link

"They," who? The incoming DOJ?

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, November 12, 2020 10:27 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yes

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:33 (six months ago) link

they should probably form a truth & reconciliation committee, but i think that's fairly unlikely

la table sur la table (voodoo chili), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:34 (six months ago) link

He's going to blanket pardon himself pretty soon. The only criminal comeuppance would come in NYS.

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 15:45 (six months ago) link

Can't pardon yourself for something you haven't been convicted of.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:22 (six months ago) link

but you can try!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:25 (six months ago) link

"I hereby declare myself not guilty of ... everything!"

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:28 (six months ago) link

It's going to be like when he "claimed" Michigan in the election, in that he will just tweet it out and think that covers him. Like he will totally tweet out at 11:59 on January 19th:

"I hereby Pardon myself from any and all Past and Future crimes."

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 12 November 2020 16:28 (six months ago) link

Trump will be President from jail

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:21 (six months ago) link

And I won't contain my glee.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:22 (six months ago) link

when he gets visitors, they will buy him Swedish Fish from the vending machine, and he'll write his Executive orders via positioning the fish to look like letters

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:22 (six months ago) link

At long goddamn last, what fucking 'freedom' are these dumb assholes fighting for? Do they think a mask is a fucking burqa and that they're giving into sharia law or some shit if they wear it?

I'm genuinely all about handing out some negligent homicide charges to these fucks at this point.

Some dads are not YOUR dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:25 (six months ago) link

It's the 'freedom' of not having to think about how your behaviour affects others.

lots of people in a line, waiting for a number 9 (Matt #2), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:27 (six months ago) link

sometimes the idea of just not caring feels like bliss. but i can never be that kind of person and forgive myself.

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:28 (six months ago) link

Can't pardon yourself for something you haven't been convicted of.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, November 12, 2020 11:22 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

In fact this is not at all clear. He can pardom himself for whatever he wants, whenever wants, about very sweeping, general things. An objection to any pardon would take place in the courts, and probably not hold up too well.

Here's SCOTUS in Ex parte Garland, 71 U.S. 333 (1866)

The power of pardon conferred by the Constitution upon the President is unlimited except in cases of impeachment. It extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment. The power is not subject to legislative control.

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:56 (six months ago) link

You can bet that sometime in the next eight weeks he's basically going to assert in writing that he's immune from prosecution for any crimes he has been or will be accused of during his term.

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:57 (six months ago) link

(federal prosecution, that is)

early-Woolf semantic prosody (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 12 November 2020 18:58 (six months ago) link

Only if its not actually him writing it

Mark G, Friday, 13 November 2020 08:26 (five months ago) link


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