rolling “Trump is gonna win” containment thread

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Trump is probably gonna win and we’re gonna need this thread

silby, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 22:30 (three years ago) link

the electorate is never wrong

ogmor, Wednesday, 8 April 2020 22:32 (three years ago) link

I'm not concerned about Trump getting more votes than Biden, he almost certainly won't, but I do worry that the Supreme Court basically gave the GOP permission to disenfranchise large amounts of voters and throw away absentee ballots. I know a lotta people don't take Trump saying stuff like "vote by mail is illegitimate" seriously but lets see what happens if/when he actually loses

frogbs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link

our catechism must be:

increasing isolation? good!
emboldening? bad!

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link

leon czolgosz did nothing wrong

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:12 (three years ago) link

I know a lotta people don't take Trump saying stuff like "vote by mail is illegitimate" seriously

i do. i don't know why others don't. he's saying the quiet part out loud, when a more competent GOP person would just litigate it and let the GOP-selected judges do the work of disenfranchising voters. that's what they'll do under trump, too, but he's doing us the favor of yelling out his intentions so they can at least be critiqued (and hopefully counteracted).

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link

but instead everybody's just like "keep your head down and...vote?"

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link

or you know, try to vote, knowing that a ton of the people you need to vote with you aren't going to do it because they don't want to die

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link

on the flip side

new @CNN poll of registered voters:

Biden 53%
Trump 42%

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) April 9, 2020

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link

the good news is that even though voters will (once again) be disenfranchised, we're starting from an even better margin the time that h clinton lost by negative 3 million votes. and it's not due to biden being good or inspirational. he 's standing in for the steaming pile of shit in the well-worn phrase "i'd vote for a steaming pile of shit before i'd vote for donald fucking trump".

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

for the second time in 4 years, we've been handed a choice between donald trump and literally a steaming pile of shit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

Would've bet on trump (almost did bet on biden to win democratic nomination and trump to win the general at the beginning of the year but the odds were below 2/1) but COVID throws in a dollop of unpredictability

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:58 (three years ago) link

for the second time in 4 years, we've been handed a choice between donald trump and literally a steaming pile of shit

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

i'm working really hard not to play grammar police here karl, i'm trying to be a good descriptivist but i can't get over my white privilege hangup that people should not use "literally" when they mean "figuratively"

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:59 (three years ago) link

Hilary Clinton >> Joe Biden

But that's for another thread. No doubt Fred will poll them.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:01 (three years ago) link

Hilary Clinton had a functioning brain and many people were genuinely invigorated by her candidacy

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:04 (three years ago) link

exactly

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:05 (three years ago) link

xp i call out people on the literally thing too. but the thing is, when i see donald trump, i see a big pile of shit with steam coming off of it, with a little crevice in the side moving up and down in time with the words that he speaks. he literally is a steaming pile of shit, and apparently 53% of voters also see it

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link

she still lost white women though

silby, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:06 (three years ago) link

Hilary Clinton >> Joe Biden

i agree too, it's a mistake to lump them into the same category. but i had to hold my nose for her all the same

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:07 (three years ago) link

She was definitely a much better candidate, but people didn't absolutely hate Trump the way they do now. hard to remember now but there was a time when a lot of online folks liked Trump b/c he was just eviscerating the GOP

frogbs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:10 (three years ago) link

I think enthusiasm for a candidate augurs success more often than people hating their opponent

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:13 (three years ago) link

Hillary would’ve made a better president and seemed smart and alert and awake but ppl hated her guts and they don’t feel the same about Biden

Mordy, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:14 (three years ago) link

she did seem alert and awake! and sadly those do put her in another league, as a candidate

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:21 (three years ago) link

xp i call out people on the literally thing too. but the thing is, when i see donald trump, i see a big pile of shit with steam coming off of it, with a little crevice in the side moving up and down in time with the words that he speaks. he literally is a steaming pile of shit, and apparently 53% of voters also see it


This is even more confusing because the literal pile steaming pile of shit was the alternative to trump in the post rush was being pedantic about

Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:22 (three years ago) link

Not that I disagree

Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link

In a just world, Hillary would be a stronger candidate than Biden, and I say that as someone who doesn't like Hillary much. But Biden Obama's VP and a good ole white guy.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link

it's up to Biden to fuck it up, and I trust he can do it.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:26 (three years ago) link

yeah, i mean i'm not going to complain if you call donald trump literally a steaming pile of shit, but to call hillary clinton literally a steaming pile of shit seems slightly... hyperbolic?

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link

I wouldn't bet a dollar on the outcome. I've generally thought GENERIC DEMOCRAT would win for the last couple of years and Trump will win people were just doomsayers, but so much of Trump's insanity seems to have been normalized and Biden is such a uniquely terrible candidate (we haven't even gotten to the BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA stage of things) that I wouldn't begin to guess how this will turn out.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:35 (three years ago) link

but to call hillary clinton literally a steaming pile of shit seems slightly... hyperbolic?

yes, this is the part where i made a mistake, i readily admit

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:41 (three years ago) link

oh wait, and i called biden a literally steaming pile of shit, too.

welp

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link

look in the time of coronavirus, etc etc, mistakes are made

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link

Everyone who voted for the Iraq war is a steaming pile of shit

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link

let me fix this for the record: we're faced with a decision between a literally steaming pile of shit and a figuratively steaming pile of shit. in 2016 the choice was between a literally steaming pile of shit and however we want to figuratively refer to hillary clinton

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:44 (three years ago) link

firm, but fair

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:46 (three years ago) link

Hillary would’ve made a better president and seemed smart and alert and awake but ppl hated her guts and they don’t feel the same about Biden

this is my one hope for 2020, people were mobilized to vote against Hillary in ways they won't be for Biden. I had coworkers who hated her guts for no discernable reason. we rag on the GOP for the way they fired off bad-faith attacks on her for 20 years but it sure as hell paid off

I wouldn't bet a dollar on the outcome. I've generally thought GENERIC DEMOCRAT would win for the last couple of years and Trump will win people were just doomsayers, but so much of Trump's insanity seems to have been normalized and Biden is such a uniquely terrible candidate (we haven't even gotten to the BURISMA BURISMA BURISMA stage of things) that I wouldn't begin to guess how this will turn out.

well the fact that "the president doesn't have a functioning brain" is now normalized is probably a point in favor of Biden now, sadly. by and large this is just what we've always known, most voters don't care about racism, corruption, lying, dead people in foreign countries, etc. etc...but once they start losing their jobs and having people they know die as a direct result of the President's incompetence, things might change. murdering 1,500,000 brown people on false pretenses didn't hurt GWB. the financial crisis and Katrina did.

frogbs, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link

I honestly don’t think Trump comes off as nearly as senile as Biden. We’re mostly judging him on content but he’s still a pretty confident speaker. Biden genuinely sounds like my 92-year old grandfather in the final year ‘decline phase.’

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link

is this also the thread for "we're gonna have a Republican judiciary + sham elections for the rest of our lives"

lukas, Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link

however we want to figuratively refer to hillary clinton

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

if you're asking my preference, i would prefer we not refer to hillary clinton, figuratively or otherwise. that's probably not a reasonable request, but it just seems like picking at an old wound that will fucking never heal over.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link

is this also the thread for "we're gonna have a Republican judiciary + sham elections for the rest of our lives"

― lukas

i feel like we should have a separate thread for long-term doom-mongering and we could try to keep this to 2020-only doom-mongering? but it's not my thread.

Kate (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 19:48 (three years ago) link

HRC is a white supremacist mass murderer who is partly responsible for this shitshow why should she get a pass

aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:16 (three years ago) link

So good to finally have someone on this board who can weigh in from The Left.

☮️ (peace, man), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link

HRC is a white supremacist mass murderer who is partly responsible for this shitshow why should she get a pass

shit really? Perhaps there should be some congressional hearings.

cuomo money, cuomo problems (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link


I honestly don’t think Trump comes off as nearly as senile as Biden. We’re mostly judging him on content but he’s still a pretty confident speaker. Biden genuinely sounds like my 92-year old grandfather in the final year ‘decline phase.’

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, April 9, 2020 2:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i agree. i think it's hard to imagine Biden beating anyone but 799 people died in my state today of the virus trump was denying was a problem about a month ago so WHO KNOWS

treeship., Thursday, 9 April 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link

Dumb asshole is gonna win, ffs

silby, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 01:13 (three years ago) link

This site has enough rolling 77 threads for griping.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link

The thread title says what it’s for, it’s for this, so it doesn’t go in other threads

silby, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFrynfU4AASTY5?format=jpg&name=medium

Low numbers for Biden in both Trust and Don't Trust, so he does have room to improve if he's able to become more visible

anvil, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWFrynfU4AASTY5?format=jpg&name=medium

anvil, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link

its tough when every major news network gives a free 2 hour commercial to your opponent every single night

frogbs, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 02:54 (three years ago) link


right but trump still swaggers like an asshole which feels “strong” and biden chooses his words, which feels “weak”. this would be true regardless of their ages, but the age thing just accentuates it

― Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Sunday, February 11, 2024 1:21 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

trump is also senile. he mixed up nikki haley and nancy pelosi, and not just the names. he criticized nikki haley, while running against her, for being in charge of capital security on january 6.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:05 (one week ago) link

however, comparing him and biden is apples and oranges. biden is an ordinary man who is old. trump is an unhinged lunatic who acts nothing like a normal person in any way.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:06 (one week ago) link

like, yesterday trump said that as president he would encourage russia to invade nato members if they don't pay their fair share. i guess it was a "joke"? in any case, the way he presents himself is not in any way comparable to anyone else in public life.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:10 (one week ago) link

biden is an ordinary man who is old. trump is an unhinged lunatic who acts nothing like a normal person in any way.

ha this is actually exactly the choice.

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:15 (one week ago) link

Just a man
Just an
Ordinary man
Just trying to get by

never trust a big book and a simile (Neanderthal), Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:23 (one week ago) link

I have faith America would elect this version over the orange heel if he would just rock the sunglasses and embrace the persona:
https://www.theonion.com/shirtless-biden-washes-trans-am-in-white-house-driveway-1819570732

Philip Nunez, Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:28 (one week ago) link

Just a reminder Trump’s dad lived to 90-something with dementia.

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:32 (one week ago) link

trump is also senile. he mixed up nikki haley and nancy pelosi, and not just the names. he criticized nikki haley, while running against her, for being in charge of capital security on january 6.

― treeship., Sunday, February 11, 2024 1:05 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Trump's brain damage isn't really an issue for the GOP because the GOP is a brain damaged party. I mean "thanks Obama" is still a meme people use in 2024 because the GOP rode it so fucking hard when he was in charge. and this was before Trump even started running (though he was spreading the birther shit at this point). everything was his fault, then it became Hillary's fault, now it's all on Joe. they don't really give a shit because mentally they are basically children, where you blame your little sister for everything that you fucked up. Trump is just the natural extension of this and that's why he gets away with it. he's dumb as shit and gets everything wrong but that is exactly in line with the people who vote GOP.

frogbs, Sunday, 11 February 2024 19:35 (one week ago) link

Why we should just kill off old people (read: anyone over 60)

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:16 (one week ago) link

Never let live anyone over thirty.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:19 (one week ago) link

I present you with Samuel Moyn, teacher at Yale, fountain of wisdom, and the author of the piece unperson linked:

https://granta.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Sam-Moyn.jpg

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:24 (one week ago) link

Looks like your average male ILXer in his late '30s.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:26 (one week ago) link

Flaky quasi-democracy designed to maintain the privilege of the privileged forever behind the smallest conceivable range of dissent is just doing what it's meant to do, but sure the problem is "old people"

wang mang band (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:28 (one week ago) link

xp - Obviously we should treat his opinions with all the deep respect we normally grant to any newly arrived mid-30s ilxor.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:33 (one week ago) link

Children of the Corn

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:48 (one week ago) link

are we really in our 50s posting "the guy who wrote this looks like THIS" stuff on a message board, is that really where we're at

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:48 (one week ago) link

He doesn’t say that we should kill the old, tho.

Age maxima for political office, mandatory retirement in the professions, forced transfer of property and wealth: all have been proposed as ways to blunt our descent into deeper gerontocracy.


All of these are good ideas, imho.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:50 (one week ago) link

He doesn’t say that we should kill the old, tho.

No, he just provides about 50 examples of societies in which the old were either killed or encouraged to kill themselves. You draw your own conclusions.

I think it's funny that we can have 10,000 posts about "ugh, Biden is so old, can't we get the old people out of here already?" but the humblest, most modest proposal (to coin a phrase) of "OK, so...pillow over the face?" is greeted with horror and rage.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:53 (one week ago) link

but sure the problem is "old people"

It's not the problem, but old rich powerful people clinging to power by any means necessary is both a real and a long-recognized problem. We just had a whole award-winning HBO series about it!

mandatory smoking of Lucky Strike cigarettes for all citizens 65 and over! if it was a good enough way for grandpa to die, its good enough for you. something kinda noble about grandpa lying at the end of the driveway with a snow shovel in one hand and a Lucky in the other. rest in power, gramps. we appreciate that we didn't have to take care of you forever.

scott seward, Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:57 (one week ago) link

I like and respect old people. I think that Joe Biden seems too old to serve as president but he could do a lot of other cool stuff.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:58 (one week ago) link

It’s a moot point anyway. I obviously will vote for him over Trump in November. Just doesn’t seem an optimal situation.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 20:59 (one week ago) link

I’m not horrified or filled with rage, I just don’t think he proposes killing old people because he doesn’t.

Do I think the societal obsession with prolonging life more medical advancement has already is ill-founded and foolish? Yes.

Do I think killing old people is the correct response to the situation we’re in? No.

Do I think that a more well-organized and just society would be able to balance respect and social welfare for elders with opportunities for the young? Totally.

These beliefs aren’t contradictory.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:03 (one week ago) link

Do I think the societal obsession with prolonging life even more than medical advancement has already is ill-founded and foolish? Yes.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:04 (one week ago) link

People want to accumulate years and money because they are avoiding the harder question of *how* to live

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:06 (one week ago) link

repealing the second amendment is a good idea. eliminating the electoral college is a good idea. capping inheritances is a good idea. returning to the tax rates under the Eisenhower administration is a good idea. reparations for slavery is a good idea. there are plenty of other good ideas out there.

otoh, age maxima for political office is no better as an idea than term limits has turned out to be. mandatory retirement in the professions doesn't address gerontocracy because where is the recognizable age-based imbalance of power in "the professions"? forced transfer of property and wealth based on age is pointless; what's required is a cap on the accumulation of property and wealth at any age.

Flaky quasi-democracy designed to maintain the privilege of the privileged forever behind the smallest conceivable range of dissent is just doing what it's meant to do, but sure the problem is "old people"

NV otm

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:07 (one week ago) link

Climate change is killing the 'send the old people out onto the ice floe' industry.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:09 (one week ago) link

Like the silicon valley dream of “digital immortality” is obviously a nightmare. You have to think about what kind of person wouldn’t see that. This is actually an interesting topic. Sort of tangential to biden’s age and boomer wealth hoarding but related.

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:10 (one week ago) link

Xps

treeship., Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:11 (one week ago) link

he could do a lot of other cool stuff.

why start now

bae (sic), Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:42 (one week ago) link

he could build all the houses like that peanut-eating motherfucker with the drunk brother.

scott seward, Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:47 (one week ago) link

I think Biden's best move at this stage would be to select a new VP running mate that's reasonably popular, youngish, and reassuring, so that if anything happened to Biden in the next four years most people would feel comfortable with the veep running the country.

Lee626, Sunday, 11 February 2024 21:49 (one week ago) link

As poor judgment as I think Biden has shown in seeking a second term, dumping Kamala would be even worse imo. I know she's also not very popular, but she does have kind of a base and also the optics of old-white-man-dumps-woman-of-color would be double plus ungood.

Biden's dumped the unpopular and impossible on her, pretty sure a VP who could stand apart from Biden (or have been in position to replace him this year) was never a goal of his team.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:06 (one week ago) link

Probably a separate containment thread needed for 'Biden scrapes victory, Trump runs again in 2028 even more deranged and debilitated, beats young Democrat woman'.

nashwan, Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:25 (one week ago) link

i was sorta ready to be ok+ w kamala but was bummed when i found her to have like, the opposite of charisma, at least to me. but agreed, no do-overs from here. yeah i know others have plenty more substantial objs.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:28 (one week ago) link

the best thing would be for biden to dump harris for someone better and then find someone better to run for president as well.

scott seward, Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:42 (one week ago) link

Hunter Biden 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:49 (one week ago) link

lol *flag* double substitution

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:50 (one week ago) link

You might have preferred to drink a beer with George W Bush over Al Gore but surely you'd rather do rails with Hunter than Trump.

papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:51 (one week ago) link

if dems had a bench allowing for rotation while still competing in both league and cups then there'd not be any discussion but alas

close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 11 February 2024 22:51 (one week ago) link

I'd do rails with Trump! I mean, I might die, but he definitely would.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:25 (one week ago) link

one has to choose a medium to which he is prisoner. your death match is by... hamberder.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:26 (one week ago) link

or kfc and sundry others. there is some room, some room.

a single gunshot and polite applause (Hunt3r), Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:27 (one week ago) link

From the outside, it looked pretty clear that the 2020 Democratic party decided "we've tried something other than the usual mold three times now and it worked twice and failed once, so we are never trying that again for another generation"

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:30 (one week ago) link

I guess by that you mean running a woman candidate, and I agree. I think women should run the entire world but am not expecting to see a woman US president in my limited remaining lifetime

If Harris became president by circumstance I would not be disappointed

Dan S, Sunday, 11 February 2024 23:48 (one week ago) link

Dan otm

Virginia Wolfman (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 12 February 2024 01:30 (one week ago) link

anyone got some cool posi stuff to post about Biden re Rafah?

bae (sic), Monday, 12 February 2024 09:44 (one week ago) link

sic, calm down, he’s “deeply concerned.”

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 12 February 2024 12:14 (one week ago) link

Not so much a joke as an excuse to post one of my favorite songs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_bvjwf-tlo

B. Amato (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 12 February 2024 13:30 (one week ago) link


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