as wins pointed out to me last week pubs are maybe the only part of England with anything like a functional track and trace at the moment
i think the reasons for Starmzy's lack of full-throated opposition are various but let's remember the soft cunt took a photo op pulling a pint on July 4 ffs
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 09:53 (three years ago) link
The big thing is going to be in August when people start travelling all over the country. The rona has been reasonably contained within regions up until now but that's all going to go out of the window soon.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 09:55 (three years ago) link
I do think that people's memories for what opposition parties do and don't say can be pretty short - Cameron was saying Labour weren't spending enough until the exact point when he started saying the opposite and no one seemed to particularly notice or care.
I suspect the media are going to spend a lot more energy pointing up the inconsistencies in a Labour opposition than and Tory opposition.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 09:56 (three years ago) link
xp that's true, cross-community transmission will be the real source of mayhem
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 09:56 (three years ago) link
In that thread I posted from Lewis Goddall a few weeks back it said a significant % were not travelling anywhere.
A lot of people will not go to the pub. They will probably avoid cinemas and pubs too, and maybe that's perhaps our best chance of avoiding 50k + deaths, although that will simultaneously fuck the economy up.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link
one of my local boozer's The Fox and Hounds had someone test positive and was closed on the 6th. The comment from the landlord made me lol, wasn't along the lines of isn't test, track and trace great? no it was more like fuck my fucking luck!
― calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
How's the Lack Horse been doing?
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:03 (three years ago) link
Went to two pubs on Saturday - one where we sat outdoors, one in - and the spacing was good, servers took orders at tables and wore masks/gloves. I am not a regular pubgoer and wear masks and sometimes gloves in shops, and gloves at my regular outdoor farmer’s market shift. I’ll cop to disliking masks outdoors.
― santa clause four (suzy), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:08 (three years ago) link
xp
not passed that awful place since the opening night on the 4th, but have been watching the Savile Arms from a distance, that's a small more posher pub by the rectory and quite an historic pub that has remained unchanged since forever as seen in photos of it from the 19th century. No social distancing going on, but it's quite a small place - if there is dozen in there it's full capacity. That will be a Rona zone at some point.
― calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:10 (three years ago) link
wondering if masks are any good for mitigating hayfever? could be an unexpected benefit of wearing one out and about
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec4MDbnWkAAeCDO?format=jpg&name=medium
absolutely sickmaking
― calzino, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:28 (three years ago) link
Not much of a one for boycotts but Spoons are pretty easy to avoid
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link
Second pint well named there.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:47 (three years ago) link
Also on the economic thing - I think we're in a different position to the US (except maybe New York) but the absolute explosion of the virus in the States is making a lot of British people think twice about going out anywhere, even in parts of the country where it is reasonably safe. That's going to be a big drag on any recovery.
A proper line of attack from Labour could be that the government is dithering and delaying on public safety. Voters seem to hate dithering more than anything else and this particular linen has the virtue of being true.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:49 (three years ago) link
https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/cultural-rescue-package-artists-institutions-covid-19?
This is on the package for the arts, and another one for the freelancers are fucked file.
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:28 (three years ago) link
the government seem hellbent on turning the uk's left-leaning arts professionals into shelf-stackers tbh
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:33 (three years ago) link
But also note how badly institutions are to be hit, as well as the overall hit from tourism xp
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:34 (three years ago) link
Good to see the Anvilbot Chrome Extension in use!
― anvil, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:34 (three years ago) link
Its a bit like how certain unis will be allowed to go to the wall. Play nice and be supported, but idk what the effects on the economy will be. It was all quite stagnant and precarious before covid xxp
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:37 (three years ago) link
a great way to keep costs down in theatre companies and orchestras would be to allow every current salaried employee to slip down the shitter and replace them with cheaper recent graduates
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:40 (three years ago) link
It's not just lol leftie luvvies even, a lot of theatres and performance spaces are heavily involved with amateur or semi-pro community groups that are going to get fucked by this
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:52 (three years ago) link
Like I know that's not what you're joking about bg but I've been quietly seething at this pretence that "the Arts" is some elitist irrelevance instead of the massive cross-class joy it really is for millions of people
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 11:59 (three years ago) link
Also lol anvil I didn't pick that up first go round
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:00 (three years ago) link
Letting ostensibly revenue-generating, economy-boosting, small-town-saving universities go under due to a temporary cash flow issue would be remarkable, even for this government. Given the profile of the universities likely to go under first, i'm not even sure it makes sense to see it as a culture-war attack on 'academia'. There's a real possibility that they don't think those students are going to be back for years and have decided that propping things up until then isn't going to work.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:01 (three years ago) link
Yeah I think that's what I mean about theatres, it's not so much culture war as ignorant penny-pinching disdain
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:04 (three years ago) link
Jesus Christ:
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/revealed-uk-home-office-paid-80000-to-a-lobby-group-which-has-funded-conservative-mps/
The Henry Jackson Society (HJS), a London-based neoconservative pressure group, received £83,452.32 from the Home Office in four payments during 2015-17 to produce a report on UK connections to Islamist terrorism.
Ignore the trifling sums of money, getting the HJS to write security reports should be the real scandal.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:06 (three years ago) link
Seems weird in a post-racist society like the UK
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:08 (three years ago) link
It's not just economy boosting, taking a university out of a medium-sized town or small city would have a massive impact and would kill some of them stone dead.
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:10 (three years ago) link
no, you're absolutely right, the thought that life could trundle on as normal if live music or theatre or local radio or writing groups or art therapy or any one of hundreds of things that falls under the banner of 'the arts' went away and never came back is... insane
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 12:11 (three years ago) link
UPDATE: France has approved pay rises worth €8bn for health workers, with @EmmanuelMacron praising their role in fighting #coronavirusThe deal was signed with trade unions on Monday after weeks of negotiations, and will see wages rise by €183 a month on average— Darren McCaffrey (@DarrenEuronews) July 14, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:17 (three years ago) link
wow!
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link
meanwhile, in the uk, nhs staff are back to paying for their own parking
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
*clap clap clap*
― Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:28 (three years ago) link
new reasons keep piling up for potential recruits from overseas to look elsewhere for employment
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
400 staff are going at the NT.
https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/07/the-governments-bailout-wont-save-the-arts
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:43 (three years ago) link
Very good, detailed look at the casualised staff that run the place and will now be 'restructured'
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 14:44 (three years ago) link
my own fault for probably tuning out a lot of covid new reports but this came as a bit of a shock to me
Hancock said the death rate of sales assistants and cashiers is 75% higher among men and 60% higher among women than in the general population. “As we restore shopping so we must keep our shopkeepers safe,” he said.
have the numbers for other jobs, outside of nhs/carers, which have continued during lockdown been reported somewhere? mechanics, plumbers, retail warehouse workers etc
― oscar bravo, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
Yes, security guards was another high risk occupation.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
The other thing about Rachel Reeves is she's got a horrible voice, bring back Barry Gardiner!
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Sunday, 12 July 2020 22:03 (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink
lol @ yr enduring love for gardiner's sexxxy voice
― plax (ico), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 17:42 (three years ago) link
lololol Cummings' "nudge unit" has said the government has no credibility left because of you-know-what and people won't listen to them on masks:https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/government-coronavirus-messaging-no-longer-effective-538820
― stet, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
Me sowing: Haha fuck yeah!!! Yes!! Me reaping: Well this fucking sucks. What the fuck.— The Golden Sir (@screaminbutcalm) March 12, 2019
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
are there really grown adults who fear that wearing a mask is an affront to their masculinity or are the media just fucking with me?
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:42 (three years ago) link
Fogs up yer specs.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:49 (three years ago) link
oh i know that, luckily i'm not short-sighted enough that i can't just leave my glasses off when i'm wearing a mask
i get laziness, i get right wing brain worms, but the macho thing must be made-up for phone-in responses or something
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link
I think the backlash is exclusively from ppl knee deep into the culture war who view masks as part of the idpol 5g Rothschild BLM conspiracy to take away blackface and are distraught at are Boris caving in to that; masculinity is somewhere in the mix there but not a straightforward justification.
This also makes me hope the amount of ppl thinking that is relatively small tho I think plenty of others will go along with it just because of laziness and "hey my mate said".
xposts
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link
There are plenty of people who will just do the opposite of what they're told as a matter of principle. It's not even a macho thing it's more of a master-of-my-own-destiny thing.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link
I do wonder if bored journos looking to stir up a bit of drama contribute to the dumbassery
― Mein Skampf (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
No doubt.
― The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link
It's all bollocks really, the vast majority of people in this country don't want to either catch or spread the rona and just want it over with, they'll wear the masks. They would also, I suspect, quite like to be let into shops in the first place.
I'm sure Toby Young or Brendan O'Neill has done an opinion on it but how many people do these guys represent really?
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:06 (three years ago) link
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-07-15/positive-news-is-coming-on-oxford-covid-19-vaccine-writes-robert-peston
I think Bobby P might be overinflating the balloon a little here but I hope not.
― Matt DC, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:12 (three years ago) link