love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

Saying "this is what we're going to do" is one thing, getting people to believe you can do it is another.

100%! The saying is not enough, it's about believability. Its no good just saying you want to score a goal

Might come as a shock to the system if/when Trump wins in November.

You think Trump wins? 10 weeks ago I'd have thought 50-50 but he's got a lot of work to do (especially if capital has decided against him)

I've talked to a few people who voted Tory and admitted they can't stand Johnson and two of them basically said they did it because they had to stop that dangerous extremist Corbyn. The media campaign against him and CCHQ FB stuff worked all to well for them. It will work against Starmer as well.

Trump will win because he's been the incumbent for four years and has bungled it every step of the way. See also Johnson in 2024.

Believability....getting the people who believed in Tories alleged assurances about NHS in their red wall, the people just looking for an excuse to not vote Labour and feel less guilt about it, the people Stockholmed into thinking their area will get more money if it turns blue.

by the time of the next election they'll have some good videos of Starmer trying to triangulate himself into every position and never saying anything and often showing insanely hypiritical contradictions + just generally looking like a very unlikable slippery fucker, he's toast and might as well pack in already.

lol hypocritical

two of them basically said they did it because they had to stop that dangerous extremist Corbyn.

Starmer doesn't have to do much to get them back on side then I guess. Just press ups and pints. No wonder you're so upset!

Feel like Johnson might really have fucked up with today's care home comments. Way too transparent in their blame shifting.

Matt, there's so many posts from you itt talking about how the public will turn against the tories at some point and it never seems to happen :(

i thought 1,500 dying every day might do it but

xxp

get Mr Motivator in! They attacked for his strong political conviction they can just as easily reverse that attack against Starmer's absolute lack of

attacked Corbyn

It depends on how hard the press decide to go against him. If he gets the full bacon sandwich treatment there's not much he can do about it, but my guess would be that he phoned up every newspaper editor on day one and quietly reassured them that he has no intention of implementing any aspect of Leveson. Either that or they are absolutely desperate to get back at him for his role in Operation Elveden and are biding their time.

Not much that can be done about the FB/army of bots stuff, admittedly.

Feel like Johnson might really have fucked up with today's care home comments. Way too transparent in their blame shifting

He'll get away with it because people don't like or trust care homes. They think the owners are only interested in profit and the staff are untrained or incompetent. There's no shortage of pre-Covid horror stories from the care sector and someone will always know someone who knows someone whose old mum was badly treated in a care home while getting rinsed financially. Perfect fall guys. There's no reason to think they won't turn on the NHS at some point too, if convenient.

that pint pic sort of reminds me of the bacon sarnie one, as in misjudged attempt at scoring authentocrat points and looking a bit of a prat. Although obv poor Ed didn't deserve the vile dog-whistle attack.

I don't really get why the thread is so much about Starmer's electoral chances, years away as they are, and whether he can forensically panenka Johnson's head into the onion sack tbh

But on that note, he's obviously harder for the press to attack than any Labour leader since Blair. They'll probably focus more on trying to split the left and centre over BLM etc.

IN THE DOCK Former Labour MP Eric Joyce admits making ‘child sex movie’ involving one-year-old baby
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omg @ Eric Joyce, another one of Labour's fine ex-armed forces boys and India Knight's husband!

jesus christ

xxp

yeah it's a boring riff by now, he's much more of a symptom than a cause. the depressing part is trying to see past this phoney meme war into the realm of political possibility, or to find any kind of hope for the future tbh. i've said for long enough that the UK deserves to sink, guess all that's left is to watch it.

Trump will win because he's been the incumbent for four years and has bungled it every step of the way.

Would have been with you on this until April 2020. Big material changes since then though, landscape different

But on that note, he's obviously harder for the press to attack than any Labour leader since Blair.

The urgency isn't there since the title was won, imagine they'll take the foot off the gas, maybe give some of the reserve journos a run out

omg @ Eric Joyce, another one of Labour's fine ex-armed forces boys and India Knight's husband!

I posted about this story on the Politics' Hardest Men thread but I didn't realize he'd gone full on Ian Watkins.

Lol people may not like care homes but we forget that's where Theresa May really fucked up. The Tory lot do care about this.

Goes without saying LOTO should not go under unconscious bias training, it's utterly ludicrous!

Yes, they care about paying money to them because they don't like them.

forensically panenka Johnson's head into the onion sack

Lol people may not like care homes but we forget that's where Theresa May really fucked up. The Tory lot do care about this.

IIRC that was more about social care at home than care homes per se. Specifically the bit about having to sell the family home to recoup the costs.

But yes in principle it is a very bad idea for the Tories to be seen to be too cavalier with the lives of the elderly.

I imagine the idea is for the care homes to be the cavaliers here.

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/business-53313640?

Watered down Lab policy. They'll need many of these to cover up what's coming.

Yay! I'm going to get me a ten grand boiler with a Rishi voucher and then sell it on e-bay

forensically panenka Johnson's head into the onion sack

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Not much that can be done about the FB/army of bots stuff, admittedly.

Which is a worry, because they're going to matter a whole lot more, the invisible WhatsApp/Telegram groups they feed even more so. The press in 2024 isn't going to look much like it did in 2016, the economics and demographics are collapsing.

But the trollbots rely heavily on the press for their material in the first place.

The right-wing campaigns are pretty good at filling any vacuum of source bullshit on that front

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/coronavirus-vaccine-antivaxx-conspiracy-theories-one-in-six-brits-refuse-a4490866.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1594118495

Can someone debunk this for me? Numbers seem preposterously high!

RIP chukka

https://www.ft.com/content/00170888-ec98-4d12-ba5e-458e7bf8b5bc

Former MP Chuka Umunna is to join communications company Edelman as executive director and head of environmental, social and governance consultancy, drawing a line under his turbulent political career. 

The former frontbencher, once touted as a future Labour party leader, will be advising the capital markets and financial services arm of Edelman on topics such as audit, embedding ESG factors into decision-making and managing corporate transactions.

“Whereas in politics you do the theoretical side, I wanted to roll my sleeves up and get involved at the coalface,” Mr Umunna told the FT. “I’m a capitalist but we need a different model for capitalism.”

can't understand why the Labour Party didn't work out for him

If there's anyone who can rehabilitate further tarnish the image of ESG as a rubber-stamp, it might be this young chap!

Berger also at Edelman.

Angela Smith, inevitably, working for a water company. Amber Rudd now at Norwegian state oil so.

first they had their songs sampled without attribution by early hip hop producers, and now this

Head of environmental 'at the coalface'...

Poor Mike Gapes, sitting forlornly by the phone, thinking to himself, 'we'll always have Nandos'.

Gapes has to get a job with the Miwk Marwketing Boarwd

Poor old Gapesy on the Universal Credit ;_;

mckinsey will be announcing gapesy any day now

True colours. These jackals are so predictable.

Edelman UK is at Southside, 105 Victoria Street :-///

lol?

You’d think these fuckers would read the room.

EXC @theipaper

Govt confirms it will drop funding for NHS staff free parking at hospitals

Ministers resist calls to make emergency scheme permanenthttps://t.co/qSaxPPFz6N

— Hugo Gye (@HugoGye) July 7, 2020

Clap for key workers, though, eh?

well they have this unbiased member of th le public on their side at least

Most people, whatever their job, don’t get free parking at work.

— Julia Hartley-Brewer (@JuliaHB1) July 7, 2020

Incredible that they are spraying money virtually everywhere right now, paying the wages of a third of the workforce, announcing even more spending today, there's a billion for theatres, and they're penny pinching over hospital car parks. IDGI.

they can do anything now and they don't care