love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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good luck UK

||||||||, Sunday, 31 May 2020 21:21 (three years ago) link

Yeah “city” was the wrong word: no one wearing one is a uniquely UK thing

Like I call home to talk to my hypereducated parents and mask wearing comes up and they act like I’m insane.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 31 May 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link

I don't know who had 'symbolic Babybel' on their 2020 Corona Bingo Card, but it's time to get your marker. pic.twitter.com/6N89KKGmWg

— Law Turley (TreacleA) (@LawTurley) May 31, 2020

Portsmouth Bubblejet, Sunday, 31 May 2020 21:57 (three years ago) link

Westminster voting intention:

CON: 45% (+1)
LAB: 35% (-3)

via @YouGov, 29 - 30 May
Chgs w/ 26 May

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) May 31, 2020

stet, Sunday, 31 May 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link

"I heard this one guy lied to attack Dominic Cummings so now I think everything's great"

stet, Sunday, 31 May 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link

Guys this happened despite the government rather than because of it and I don't want to jinx anything but for the moment at least it really seems like we dodged a bullet.

Remember when pretty much every graph showed there was no way we would avoid overwhelming hospital capacity? When we were looking at video of hospital corridors in Italy with hundreds of seniors wheezing and dying and doctors making decisions about who lived and who died? When pretty much every estimate of the number of ventilators necessary seemed to dwarf what we had on hand?

This isn't to minimise the suffering and deaths so far - I'm talking specifically about the ability of the health service as a whole to deal with the numbers. Like... what the fuck happened? How did we get away with it? Is there a long read??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 07:55 (three years ago) link

Has a bullet really been dodged? For care homes this has been a disaster and I saw reports of people avoiding A & E and maybe dying at home?

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 June 2020 08:14 (three years ago) link

In terms of hospital capacity yes, the predictions did not come true.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 08:24 (three years ago) link

Letting people die at home and in care homes saved hospital capacity that could have kept them alive.
It's just a shame the bullet we dodged killed tens of thousands of people and counting.

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Monday, 1 June 2020 08:30 (three years ago) link

Is that really what happened though? I would believe it; is there an analysis somewhere?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 08:34 (three years ago) link

I mean - if the story is as simple as: hospital capacity was not overwhelmed because people were left to die at home.. it's too horrendous to contemplate either as deliberate policy or accidental byproduct of the strategy. Maybe I've just been blocking it out.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 08:36 (three years ago) link

Lots of cancer treatment and surgical work was placed on hold so the NHS could pivot to dealing with COVID.

santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 1 June 2020 08:38 (three years ago) link

xxp Tracer, what in god's name are you talking about? The UK has the fifth highest deaths per capita IN THE WORLD - worse than Italy's. And it avoided filling hospital capacity by offloading cases with the virus to care homes, where it tore through the very population that all of this was supposed to for the protection of. It's been, you know, kind of a big story recently?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 1 June 2020 08:50 (three years ago) link

"Rees-Mogg’s draft plan — due to be finalized this morning — is apparently for MPs to form a kilometer-long socially distanced queue snaking out through Central Lobby and down through Westminster Hall."

What are the age profiles for the parties? I'd have thought the Tories have more to lose than gain from 'rona roulette.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 1 June 2020 08:53 (three years ago) link

The work that needs to be carried out to determine the extent and cause of excess deaths is more academic than journalistic, I think. It will take time and when it does come out it will be shut away by much of the press, too. And also it's my assumption that it will be a lot for people to take so they'd rather not see it. In the end, the press will be actually giving the public and its owners what they want, for a change.

XP - the full extent of it hasn't really been fully covered. Partly because services were overwhelmed.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 June 2020 08:53 (three years ago) link

What we've seen so far is a mix of reporting and work by statisticians and 'sexy' data churning from the likes of John Burn-Murdoch at the FT but clicks and needs for headlines in the news cycle drive a lot of it...to gather the data, look at the gaps and to clean up what is obscure will take time and work.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:00 (three years ago) link

Ah, JBM, do love how he posts his dinner in the same thread as a big pile of death statistics.

gyac, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:05 (three years ago) link

The data doesn't really support "people were left to die at home" unless you're counting care homes - the home death numbers have been pretty small throughout and not enough to overwhelm hospital capacity in and of itself. We've avoided having people die in hospital corridors as in Italy, but remember that "prevent the NHS from being overwhelmed" was THE UK govt success metric at the start and probably the main reason why it disgorged patients back into care homes where it thought fewer people would notice.

We haven't dodged a bullet, it's been a disaster but there is still the sense that it could have been a lot worse. That's in large part down to lockdown measures and it could still be a lot worse - ie if this thing comes back with a vengeance in the winter.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:14 (three years ago) link

Almost a month old but in terms of excess "at home" deaths it's a fair chunk of the total

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/08/more-people-dying-at-home-during-covid-19-pandemic-uk-analysis

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Monday, 1 June 2020 09:30 (three years ago) link

Ah right I was only talking about Covid deaths specifically, the number of people who died at home for other reasons, out of fear of going to hospital, was much higher than usual.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:32 (three years ago) link

Yeah. Here's the long-ish read I was looking for:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/28/why-did-so-many-people-die-of-covid-19-in-the-uks-care-homes

Read in a certain way, it is a simple story and AF and julio are right:

- Central government mandated 15,000 beds to be cleared from hospitals by 27 March

- The number who have died in care homes of COVID-19? 16,000

- The number who have died of it in Honk Kong? 0

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link

brb, changing username to 'Honk Kong'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link

Honk if you love Kong

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 June 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link

zero C-19 deaths in Vietnam as well.

calzino, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:36 (three years ago) link

bad news and good news

As I read this, unless you live together, it’s now unlawful to have sex with your lover indoors, but fine outdoors (subject to public decency offences); but you can have sex with an escort indoors, as that is reasonably necessary for their work purposes (see 7(d)(i)). https://t.co/QXbT1EYikt

— George Peretz QC (@GeorgePeretzQC) May 31, 2020

||||||||, Monday, 1 June 2020 09:56 (three years ago) link

Don't social distancing rules still have to be followed both outdoors and in the workplace? The 2m rule would make that pretty difficult.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:02 (three years ago) link

lawyers could have a field day with this, specifically no more than six lawyers from different practices

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link

Wonder how long RLB will last.

1.Tonight parents of children expected to attend school tomorrow across will be agonising about the choice they are about to make. Will they be safe? Am I doing the right thing? Will their teaching staff be at risk? Will our family be at risk? Will there be a spike in the R rate? https://t.co/VChqEA2aAY

— Rebecca Long-Bailey (@RLong_Bailey) May 31, 2020

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:06 (three years ago) link

i wonder if she's deliberately pushing Starmzy on this to see how long the lol broad coalition will last

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:11 (three years ago) link

IDGI, in what way is that thread going off-message? The only thing I can see there that might give Team Starmer conniptions is the word 'abandonment'.

I think she'll last in the Shadow Cabinet unless she chooses to resign fwiw, above and beyond all else she's a team player and a pro.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:15 (three years ago) link

Reopening schools is pretty unpopular within the country at large and will presumably become more so when parents have to negotiate the school gates and when kids start coming back with stories of what it's actually like.

Matt DC, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:18 (three years ago) link

I guess you need to be more forensic to see Starmer's support for teachers, my lad's teacher thinks he's weak as piss, and this is someone I always assumed was a quiet Tory or LibDem voter.

calzino, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link

maybe the Leader of the Opposition could've said something about sending kids back to school for no reason being a bad thing, idk

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:23 (three years ago) link

he's lucky, he works at a well-funded private NAS school who won't endanger their staff and pupils at this moment and are restructuring their whole school before even thinking of fully opening it again.

calzino, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link

"IDGI, in what way is that thread going off-message?"

No opposition from anybody else yesterday in Lab on schools (or general) re-opening/lack of cautious approach. RLB making that thread at 10.30pm last night (as noted on twitter) instead of going on the news.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 June 2020 10:28 (three years ago) link

I'm due back with Y10 on the 15th. I'm meeting my class on three successive Mondays, 10 kids in each session. I mostly get the impulse behind it (Y10 are probably the 'worst' affected right now, just in terms of what they've missed and a meeting with their teacher to discuss problems, misconceptions, strategies etc does have merit) but it does seem a little pointless - especially as I'm teaching all of my classes remotely anyway and they're arguably getting a better deal that way. There will be around 100 kids in school on each of those days. Even that is going to be a farce, I'm sure.

Anecdotally, I have a lot of friends for whom sending their KS2 kids back is a sanity saving measure right now. Personally, I don't think I'd be sending mine back (mine are Ys 7&9 so not even part of the equation).

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:30 (three years ago) link

I'm about to teach mine now, as it goes - one of the Language papers, with an extract from Brighton Rock. Busy beaches and gang murder you say?

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 1 June 2020 10:31 (three years ago) link

Holy shit!!

https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2020/jun/01/no-pubs-no-kissing-no-flying-how-covid-19-is-forcing-authors-to-change-their-novels?

"Tom Watson, the former deputy leader of the Labour party, has been having a busy lockdown. Signed up to write a political thriller called The House, he and his co-author Imogen Robertson have been rapidly rejigging their novel to reflect a post-Covid world.

Their near-future setting now includes a national inquiry “about what’s going on in the background”, where characters – if they meet socially – “choose not to drink out of glasses and they wipe the bottle before they drink”, and undergo temperature checks when entering public buildings, “which everyone is used to by then”, says Watson, who is finding life away from politics as a newly minted thriller author “a relief”."

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link

please god tell me there are no sex scenes

i bet the main character has an esoteric taste in music though

Ahhh can Lanchester review it for the LRB please please pleassseeeee

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 1 June 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link

i know what my enemies are getting for Christmas now

hip posts without flaggadocio (Noodle Vague), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

wonder if watson is also finding being publicly denied a peerage because he's shit and a wanker 'a relief'

Reopening schools is pretty unpopular within the country at large and will presumably become more so when parents have to negotiate the school gates and when kids start coming back with stories of what it's actually like.


http://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/jun/01/early-years-childcare-sector-at-risk-collapse-england


Just over 40% of parents of under-fives say they will send their children back to nursery, preschool or childminders this week, according to a poll by the EYA of more than 6,300 care providers. A further 13% of parents say they are still “completely undecided”.

Three in 10 parents gave the government the lowest possible rating on a scale of one to 10, when asked how clear the government has been on the rationale behind reopening childcare settings. The average rating from parents was 3.9 – where one is “very unclear” and 10 is “very clear”.

The results are so stark that the alliance said the early sector in England could collapse.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 1 June 2020 14:55 (three years ago) link

Dunt cry for me Argentina

Ian Dunt, eh? Dad's family is English, well, Irish, er British, no, Lebanese. His mum grew up in Chile, no I meant Guetalamala, no sorry, I was thinking of Belize. Dunt himself, grew up in Winchester, no sorry, Southampton, silly me, I meant Chile, Damnit, Hampshire @IanDunt pic.twitter.com/JU1Z2Otcnh

— Matthew Black (@NoirMJ) June 1, 2020

nashwan, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link

lol worra wanker!

calzino, Monday, 1 June 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link

my son’s primary school isn’t reopening until the 16th. apparently a lot of parents showed today with their kids in uniform - d’oh!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 1 June 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link

Nothing to see here let's get those oldies out and about

The Government has included an additional 445 deaths which had previously not been included in the daily figures which means the total number of recorded deaths is 556 higher than as was reported yesterday

— Sky News Breaking (@SkyNewsBreak) June 1, 2020

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Monday, 1 June 2020 17:32 (three years ago) link

I get breaking news alerts from Upday, an app which came pre-installed on my phone that I had never heard of before. Each day around tea-time I get the total figure in the format: "X people have died taking the total number of deaths to Y." Today for the first time since this began, they changed the format to "total number of cases of infection is now X." It's being masked and it's a fucking disgrace.

boxedjoy, Monday, 1 June 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link


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