There are a bunch of people on this thread whose “this is big! He has to go!” predictions used to be reasonable and correct, but they don’t seem to get it any more. Nothing is big. You’re not going to see many resignations from this government.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
ian from the bbc observing social distancing until he runs into technical difficulties there
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
Peston is fucking useless.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
Resignation make no sense. Resigning is what losers do
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link
How is Peston so bad at this?
― ShariVari, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
lol nothing matters
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
wow they've literally muted a journalist (even though it's one from the BBC) talk about a heavy handed metaphor
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link
What the fuck was that with the hedging and the second unrelated question, fucking peston
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
guidance retconned, question ignored, quietly saying "there's no lockdown rules", sweet
― Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:25 (three years ago) link
I don’t disagree that the media is compliant, but you’re missing the point if you think the problem is that
I don't think the problem is that per se, but it is an element - but you have to have it over time. Decades of repetition. Piers Morgan deciding he's annoyed by it doesn't undo years of that
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
caek otm, not going to show anybody up but I’m pretty sure you could do a post search for the phrase “this isn’t going to go away” that would bear this out
― What fash heil is this? (wins), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link
"as I've said just now" fucking cunt
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
boris really dngaf
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
it's masterly stuff tbh, like watching Ali rope-a-doping
― Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
This is it, just spout some shit which answers nothing, then keep referring back to your previous answer, a complete charade, and he'll get away with it.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
how can Boris claim to understand Cummings' decisions when he cant even tell you how many childen he has himself
― boxedjoy, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:29 (three years ago) link
I don't know what that means – they willingly chase shadows because they're compliant. The way this happens if they keep hammering it. And yes, they're pretty reluctant to do that because they just wouldn't do that to a Tory govt. Unless their readers demanded it – which they really might. This isn't abstract rules-breaking, it's really easy to grasp. That's why it's big, not because it's manufactured big, but because it actually makes a lot of people pissed off, even if they don't yet have an outlet for that. This is the sort of big that led to Brexit – this government should surely understand that. I'm still not convinced he's going to go either, but uber-cynical nothing-matters apathy can do one.
― stet, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
‘I completely understand why people are angry, but i don’t fucking care’
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
Essentially confirming the Barnard Castle story.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:30 (three years ago) link
also not addressing the Barnard castle question at all
Ian was still talking and was muted again, this could almost be funny
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
also Johnson is now fucking up that "nothing is true" defence, because he's clearly getting rattled
― stet, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
he’s shit under fire, he gets easily pissed off, but again lol nothing matters
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:33 (three years ago) link
BASED ON THE SCIENCE is my favourite magic spell, you can make it justify anything
― a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
I'm still not convinced he's going to go either, but uber-cynical nothing-matters apathy can do one.
It's not cynicism, it's a reflection of the current makeup of the country. This will change. The Tories have thrown their lot in with boomers, this is a time delineated advantage they have. Lot of talk about how Labour threw away certain voters in the 80s/90s and it came to haunt them later. Tories have done same
But what different does it make whether Cummings stays or not?Its not that nothing matters, its that it doens't matter today.
This is a mistake, this thing about how many children Boris has is an irrelevance and a mistake
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:36 (three years ago) link
when a question about people dying because you fucked up is a breather
mind you if she'd've got the question down to under 3 paragraphs it might've had more impact
― Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
It isn't about whether anyone is a bad guy or not, its about whether they can put the ball in the back of the net.
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:37 (three years ago) link
The boomers are angry about this, is the thing. The way we get past nothing-matters is to make cracks in their death cult, and this is almost tailor made to do that, I’d say.
― stet, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link
lotta complaints to the manager coming in
― Children of Bo-Dom (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
A lot of people are angry, but there is no outlet for that xp lol
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link
This is what you’ve got coming and what I mean by “chasing shadows”. It doesn’t matter if the media aren’t compliant.
Steve Bannon to Michael Lewis: "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit." https://t.co/YuCqFJZ6M5— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) February 12, 2018
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
The questions didn’t help. Long waffling multi-part rambles that let Johnson pick and choose what he wanted to respond to.
― ShariVari, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
This is what you’ve got coming and what I mean by “chasing shadows”
The shadows are good business. Russiagate was win win
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link
I also wouldn't confuse frustration with endless little battles which constantly lead nowhere at all with cynicism. This is the shit we are being flooded with.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
We'll see how effective it is.
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
Look I haven’t lived in the uk for the best part of a decade, and admittedly the first text I just got in the boys chat about this was “who’s watching the briefing, I can’t remember being this angry in my life”, so maybe I’m wrong about the scale of this particular story. But I don’t think so, and in any case my point is more: in the presence of a government with no shame and a media strategy to flood the zone, the press do not drive the agenda any more. any individual scandal might seem like the wedge issue you’ve been waiting for but it’s not, and limmy is right that you only have to power through a couple of them before public fatigue sets in. I’m not sure what the solution is.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
Owning the media does make a difference but your results don't set in straightaway. Its the long game. You turn the oven on it doesn't get hot straight away, you turn it off it isn't suddenly cold
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
Describing cynical tactics as effective is pretty much the essence of cynicism.
― Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:58 (three years ago) link
i talked to my wife about this and she was like “i don’t care. who is he? who cares what he does?”she successfully predicted trump and brexit, against my “wiser” hunches and i think she’s right on this too unfortunately
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
I’ve got some ideas, but I wouldn’t write them down ;)Watching the aftermath and Sarah Jones MP (Labour) is answering some questions (which are a total joke) on the BBC but she didn’t call for his sacking! Again, an inquiry! Fucking hell, why?!
― gyac, Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
What are they going to flood the media with that isn't connected with the pandemic and which can't find it's way back eventually back to the Dominic Cummings story?
― Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Sunday, 24 May 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link
It’s cynical to look at opportunities for change and shrug “nothing is big”. Big things are still big; anger without an outlet is still anger. The deck is utterly stacked here and things are dreadful, but the situation isn’t hopeless. Hell, even if he stays there are a lot of ardent supporters who are being turned into conditional supporters today and that’s worth something. My Tories twitter list is quite the sight. Even Lolico is reduced to “well, they can’t prove it”.
― stet, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
Arrogant and offensive.Can you imagine having to work with these truth twisters?— UK Civil Service (@UKCivilService) May 24, 2020
??
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
Wow.
― santa clause four (suzy), Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
I just got sent that, fair fucks to whoever tweeted that.
― gyac, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
Also, lets be real here - what is the sacking of Cummings supposed to achieve? How does it help me? This falling back on individual character misdeeds, what is it for? Put the moral high ground in the bin and the slates on the roof
― anvil, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
Sincerely hope the mirror are sitting on some cctv footage that gets dropped tonight.
xp consequences? That the government can’t act with impunity, that we all obey the same law.
― gyac, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link
I think the inquiry line is good. It keeps the focus on finding out what actually happened and doesn’t turn it into a Red vs Blue fight which they will lose as always.
― stet, Sunday, 24 May 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link