Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

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We have an outbreak thread but this one is meant as safe space for commiserating along the lines of "My bodega is out of toilet paper" or "I hyperventilated in the shower today because I'm afraid it's all over" or "I'm genuinely scared for my grandmother" and/or - god forbid - to be upgraded to more serious problems as necessary.

Personal experiences welcome, geopolitics are not. Please be kind.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:50 (one year ago) link

One of the elementary schools that’s a feeder to mine just had its first confirmed case. I’m not looking forward to the finger-pointing and speculation that’ll ensue tomorrow.

― rb (soda), Sunday, March 8, 2020 10:49 PM

I still do occasional supply/substitute work at my old school, including two days last week. They just had a family return there from two weeks in Rome. None of the teachers seemed visibly concerned, although who knows. At some point, I have to believe school closures will be widespread.

clemenza, Monday, 9 March 2020 03:55 (one year ago) link

I went to the Museum of Natural History in NYC today and when i asked the friendly lady manning the non-existent line at the butterfly exhibit "is this a REALLY light turnout for a Sunday," she laughed and said "Oh absolutely. But it's like 55 degrees out and daylight savings so it's not too surprising" and then both of us apparently agreed to not say "and also the pandemic."

I'm getting a Wile E Coyote feeling that the moment of tuna tartare tacos and free jazz at the club on Sunday night may be only allowable until i look down and existential dread and fear of a panicking metropolis is starting to gain steam. Called my mom to tell her she was going to hear a lot of scary things in the next few weeks but that I would do my best to keep it together and not to worry and she suggested I get toilet paper and lentils.

for those stressing, I'm hoping you will please take a few deep breaths (from six meters away) and strive to be human and i will try to do the same.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:58 (one year ago) link

I don't feel excessively stressed, but every time I try to talk to my wife and kid about this they seem worryingly nonchalant about it all. Not sure how to convince them to take it seriously without coming off as a crackpot.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:00 (one year ago) link

You could try telling them that the point of taking precautions like extra hand washing isn't about them saving themselves from getting sick, because kids and young adults tend not to be drastically ill and you aren't so worried about them. Tell them it is about being responsible for not making others horribly sick, like old people and people with chronic health problems - who tend to be kind of invisible in society, who could die or suffer lasting damage from this virus. It might work.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:53 (one year ago) link

Anybody having any luck not touching their face? A friend who used to be a model says she had to learn it to avoid ruining her makeup but that's not really an option in my line of work.

Fetchboy, Monday, 9 March 2020 05:19 (one year ago) link

it's hard! I just have a habit of doing it and I don't even notice when I'm doing it.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 05:38 (one year ago) link

When I do feel stressed it's salutary to remember EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET has pretty much the same reason to be stressed about it, and I am not special or especially threatened.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 9 March 2020 06:53 (one year ago) link

I am really struggling with the not touching my face thing. A Doctor friend said one of the biggest benefits of wearing a mask is to make it much harder to touch your face, or at least the nose and mouth. (although I feel like its going to take a full face motor bike helmet to stop me from touching mine)

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 07:11 (one year ago) link

30 cases in Portugal, which while low is I think higher than average. No shortages of toilet paper or sanitizer or anything else. Doesn't really seem to be registering in the same way as in US/UK.

I went to a coding meetup last thursday and there were maybe fewer people than expected. It didn't occur to me turnout might have been coronavirus related until yesterday.

cherry blossom, Monday, 9 March 2020 07:17 (one year ago) link

further cases of desperately needing to scratch an itch on my nose have resulted from not being able to touch my face

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 08:21 (one year ago) link

Have been wondering if any of the arts festivals this year are actually going to happen. There have been some cancellations of opening events because of the weather and now this may mean large gatherings aren't allowed later in the year.
So maybe the 2 events last weekend are going to be about it. I volunteered for the opening of Tulca which was on as part of several events over Galway 2020 when it's normally a festival in November. Then went to am opening that was part of the actual Galway 2020 set up or at least had volunteers with I'd saying Galway 2020 not the gallery name.

Just seen the headlines for an article in the irish independent repeating some of the myths including some of what Trump has been saying. Not sure how good that paper ever is as a news source since it seems to follow it's owner's agenda.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:42 (one year ago) link

after about the 10th attempt I've finally learned how to pronounce the word "epidemiologist" properly, now got my chat authoritative sounding shit bout COVID-19 card.

calzino, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:49 (one year ago) link

hell of a time to have a really intense sinus headache

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 08:50 (one year ago) link

A Doctor friend said one of the biggest benefits of wearing a mask is to make it much harder to touch your face, or at least the nose and mouth.

My buddy is an ER doc and recommends against wearing a facemask. He wrote a really good article, "As an ER Doctor, I Need You to Know These Things About Coronavirus": https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/884d35/er-doctor-healthcare-workers-coronavirus

davey, Monday, 9 March 2020 10:12 (one year ago) link

good article davey, i'm already planning on sharing it with one of my more fearmongering friends

the beginning of last week was tough, not because of the disease itself, but because of the panic. i'm a bit hypochondriac, have some fairly nasty paranoid tendencies, and have panic disorder. this has been hard for me. on the other side of it i do work for a healthcare organization, though not in direct patient care, so i do have access to reliable information. i've also shut off most forms of social and other media (years ago) and, at least when it comes to stuff relating to my profession, am decent at understanding what is reliable information and what isn't.

the panic comes in waves, and though i try not to let it affect me i feel like it's important for me to at least acknowledge what i'm feeling, acknowledge what's going on around me. the way people are talking, the nervous jokes (deflecting with humour)

i fairly quickly concluded when shit got real that i was probably going to get COVID-19, probably sooner rather than later, and i was probably not going to die from it, and while i still take safety precautions the idea that we could effectively halt the spread of this in it tracks never struck me as particularly plausible.

there's a certain balancing act going on here - on the one hand not giving in to the panic, which is for me personally probably a greater threat than COVID-19, and on the other hand not working on diminishing what is absolutely a global public health crisis. human beings aren't necessarily good at dealing with crisis, aren't necessarily good at differentiating "ok this is a serious and major thing and we have to address this seriously" from "OMG we're all gonna die".

on a personal level, i'm going to be fine, most of the people i know are going to be fine. i have one co-worker i worry about; she's young (barely sixty) but is in pretty poor health and has a lot of trouble breathing. that's part of "taking this seriously", thinking about the very real possibility that a person or people i care about will die from this. on the flip side maybe nobody i know well will die from this, it'll just be musicians i like and whatnot.

i'm weirdly enough more inclined to leave the house since it's started getting serious. i can and often do work from home, and i figure it's only a matter of time before the company i work for starts asking me to. i'm expecting cabin fever, and leaving the house while i can will hopefully minimize it.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 9 March 2020 10:59 (one year ago) link

honestly as a data analyst i'm really worried about that 3.4% number i see going around, and i'm not sure darragh does a great job on that front - he cites a number of 0.06% but then later on cites an overall mortality rate of 2.3%. this is some pretty wonky stuff, the difference between case mortality and overall mortality, and it's tempting to get into an extremely wonky argument about statistical methodology, but i don't see that argument remotely being productive. statistics, in a situation like this, seem mostly totemic in nature, either a ward or an excuse for panic. i don't cite numbers or percentages when talking to other people.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:11 (one year ago) link

Find it very hard to avoid touching my face. Have taken to tying my hair back on the way to/from work to avoid needing to put my hands near my face, also less keen on using self-checkouts & other people seem to do the same. I don’t go to Starbucks but other people have told me they won’t accept people’s own cups anymore, so I’ve stopped bringing my folding cup with me.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:16 (one year ago) link

Toilet roll thing is hitting here. Panic buyers clearing teh shelves. Hope it is just a temporary thing but not sure exactly where the supply levels lie wherever they're getting them from. I assume it is going to return to normal and not be blocked by international exchange somewhere down the line. people not trading the necessary commodities that go into the production etc.

I mean if society is going to collapse i would hope it would be with clean bums. Maybe we need a rise in bidet production?
THink somebody I know had a hose bidet substitute tehy got cheap in Dublin on Facebook last week. Maybe that's the future?

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:56 (one year ago) link

Luckily I’m already obsessive about not touching my face with unwashed hands / not touching other things after touching my face.

honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:00 (one year ago) link

What’s with the toilet paper thing?

honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:00 (one year ago) link

Panicked people incessantly shitting themselves, I assume.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:03 (one year ago) link

As a person with a chronic lung disease I am:

- increasingly worried that this will hit me hard and at best will further damage my lungs and shorten my life
- pissed off with people growling at me because I cough a lot and they think I'm part of the plague
- a complete hypocrite who growls at everyone else with a cough as I'm scared that they have the plague
- thinking about the benefits of self-isolation in terms of reading and video games :)

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:04 (one year ago) link

xpost The best I can tell it's people worried they'll be stuck inside with ... not enough toiler paper to last two weeks?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:04 (one year ago) link

Def. have noticed places out of hand sanitizer, and signs limiting purchases. Also other signs, like the one at the vet this morning declaring it a "no handshake zone." Proactively and helpfully, all of our doctors, dentists, etc. have sent out texts and messengers saying, please, if you're sick, stay home. (And affirming that that is always appreciated).

I'm a little annoyed because my kids were both sick last week with mundane stuff, and now, when I want to be at my sharpest and most vigilant, I have a stuffy nose.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:08 (one year ago) link

my spouse hesitated about kissing me this morning and I was like "dude, you've stuck your dick in me, I am pretty sure you've got whatever I've got."

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:09 (one year ago) link

Yeah, but maybe not covid.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

;)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

we have not been touching our top faces. only our bottom faces.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

now is the perfect time to invest in a bidet

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:16 (one year ago) link

have a wedding planned in june and an out-of-town bachelor party planned for april 2nd. not gonna lie, i'm slightly nervous about that second thing. hopefully, the panic will subside by the time june rolls around, and i'm going to that party unless the faa grounds flights (sorry, not sorry colorado). but covid has been a fun additional source of stress during an already-stressful time.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:16 (one year ago) link

The Bidet: like a wet kiss for your bottom face.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:17 (one year ago) link

cancellations are really bumming my kids out - mariachi performances, purim celebrations, soccer games, etcx.

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (one year ago) link

Been thinking about life and mortality today. I’d rather die gloriously in battle than from a virus. In a way it doesn’t matter. But it kinda does. pic.twitter.com/m6vU5RTQHJ

— Paul Gosar (@DrPaulGosar) March 9, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (one year ago) link

if they don't get their Disneyland trip at the end of this month the tears are gonna be epic

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (one year ago) link

Disney hasn't closed or anything yet, right?

So far not much here has changed, as far as I can tell.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

my work is definitely going to close when the virus picks up steam here and I can't do most of my job from home as things stand (and this will not be remedied in the near future). this is going to definitely create an "interesting" time for me, probable extra paid holiday from work followed by "too much fucking work" when I get back

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

it's a good thing that Paul Gosar was a dentist then.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:21 (one year ago) link

Disney hasn't closed or anything yet, right?

they closed Disneyland Tokyo (different situation, obviously)

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

definitely create an "interesting" time for me

Maybe you'll finally get to watch "The Irishman" in one sitting.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

JUst seen it confirmed taht teh St patrick's day parades are bing cancelled. Heard Dublin, Cork, sligo so far.
BUmped into someone i know this morning who was coming from a meeting about the local one and told me taht our local community centre had definitely pulled out but the town as waiting for the decision from teh council.
I thought it was pretty likely that if there was a panic over the last week a large close crowd event like that next week may not be likely to go ahead.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

Pretty sure the St. Patrick's Day response here will be to drink *more*.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:24 (one year ago) link

They won't need to dye the river, it'll just turn that color from all the covid.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:25 (one year ago) link

Went to Costco and the big asian grocery store in town. Costco seemed to be out of toilet paper but didn't notice anything else weird.

The asian grocery store was pretty cleaned out though - 90% of the rice was gone, all of the dried chinese noodles were gone except the very thin ones, and like 75% of the all the huge chinese preserved vegetable aisle was empty.

I'm kind of fascinated by what was gone and what was still around - I imagine some of it is supply issues for chinese products, the fact that the vast majority of customers are chinese, etc. There was still lots of thai/vietnamese rice noodles, korean sweet potato noodles, kimchee, pansit noodles, and some stray bags of basmati, sticky, sushi, and brown jasmine rice. My son and I were also the only people there not wearing masks this time.

joygoat, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:26 (one year ago) link

I'm not very observant, so on Saturday I learned that brown basmati rice is a thing.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:28 (one year ago) link

that's interesting, I shop pretty much only at Asian grocery stores (south but mostly east) here and I haven't yet seen anyone in a mask, nor any shelves unusually out of stock.

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:29 (one year ago) link

Probably also touching my face the average (160 times an hour, I've read). Yesterday I donned one of my dog's neck bandanas inside the apt, so at least I noticed each time I rested my chin on my thumb. I imagine I'd get habituated to that, too.

Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:32 (one year ago) link

I've long been in the habit of touching my face with my knuckles, or the back of my hand. Like "The Thinker."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:34 (one year ago) link

I have a work trip that I spun into a vacation for my spouse and I (me?), heading from SF to Paris then Amsterdam next week. We are both wondering aloud if this is a good idea or not.

As for the workplace itself, we are extremely deadline-driven in my dept and if we close it will have an enormous, unpredictable impact on them. it's definitely making me anxious.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:43 (one year ago) link

I'm slightly nervous about flying this week: first to Raleigh (for a Destroyer show lol), then NYC. But other than sanitizing the airplane seat table, what can ya do?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:51 (one year ago) link

in fact, the Target I went into (in a red county, no less) still had its mandate, and everybody was still masking. i don't blame people criticizing the CDC for how fast their decision was made, but like - where do you all live where mask behavior was healthy and being observed and now isn't? the Florida has been the Wild Wild West most of the year - so much so that friends of mine formed a group last year to report what businesses were "safe" or "unsafe" to go into based on their own mask rules/enforcement of them. and they had some horror stories.

lots of businesses around me removed any mask mandates the moment DeSantis removed any lingering local ordinances and said they couldn't be re-imposed, and that it was up to the businesses.

I understand the criticism that the abrupt announcement means now businesses have to make snap decisions whether to stay the course or change their approach. I can understand some vaccinated assholes might be dicks if asked to put on a mask (I sure as hell won't be, I still have a huge stack). I know folks who are vaccinated have unvaccinated children as well as immunocompromised dependents to think of and that this causes a confusing/stressful scenario I also understand some businesses are likely to abruptly put their employees in uncomfortable situations if they remove mask requirements for everyone, and I've never been unsympathetic to THAT. those are fair points.

but the criticism that "now a bunch of unvaccinated people can pretend to be vaccinated and stop wearing masks and it's going to halt our progress"? when exactly were these folk waiting for permission to begin with? why do you think Walensky went on TV in late March, almost sobbing, saying we were headed for impending doom if states didn't stop relaxing their guidelines? 15 states removed their mandates this year alone, long before the May 13th statement! it would really only come into play for stores that adopt a "vaccinated people need not mask, and we'll use the honor system" approach, which is really still probably less risky than "Nobody needs to mask" mandates.

Florida's a dumpster fire in terms of COVID responsibility at the moment and yet cases have been dropping in tandem with the national decline. It sure as hell isn't because of our "amazing efforts". that doesn't mean I don't think COVID measures and responsibility "no longer matters" or that I don't hate my state, its officials, and its civilians, but I'm saying it isn't exactly a new problem, and the solution is more vaccination.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 May 2021 20:12 (three days ago) link

I literally wore my mask in public earlier sic so not sure what your point is

Neanderthal, I don’t think it’s fair to lump “this thread” in with what you are seeing on social media.

:) :)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 15 May 2021 20:23 (three days ago) link

whatever is in your facebook feed seems to be very bad for your anxiety rn and I encourage you to either avoid both it and this thread (as you said) OR, preferably, to avoid facebook and just assume that everyone here is chill and concerned for each other's well-being, not aggro

Florida's a dumpster fire in terms of COVID responsibility at the moment and yet cases have been dropping in tandem with the national decline. It sure as hell isn't because of our "amazing efforts".

cases have been rising steadily for two months in this county/state that is handling public policy very well by comparison btw, and opening rando pop-up vaccination clinics in different neighbourhoods every few days. I don't have any data to back it up but imo the reason is maskless unvaccinated dipshits in bars etc (and eg Amazon forcing people back into offices - someone I know split from his bf during the pando, had just moved in with a new roommate, and got covid when the roommate went back to work for one (1) day and caught it.)

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Saturday, 15 May 2021 20:35 (three days ago) link

fwiw I was at the library working, then went to Publix and Target. Employees and patrons all masked.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 15 May 2021 20:39 (three days ago) link

It's heartening to hear anecdotal evidence that some people are staying the masks + distancing course, but surely y'all can understand the dreadful anticipation that a lot of people are just gonna do what they want now because MURRICA. And I get that there were already a bunch of MURRICA sociopaths already doing whatever they wanted, and they are and were and probably always will be a lost cause on pretty much every level imaginable, but my concern is more re: the people who've been begrudgingly going through the COVID safety motions whatever their personal feelings who will take this as the prompt to stop going along with the sheeple because COVID is clearly fixed now.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:04 (three days ago) link

On the plus side, I don't know if it's bullshit or not but I've seen a couple accounts of race tracks opening up to the public as a reward for going through drive-through vaccine clinic. That sounds fun!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:11 (three days ago) link

xpost how is hypothetical evidence superior to anecdotal evidence?

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:22 (three days ago) link

There are a handful of instances where people will still need to wear masks — in a health-care setting or at a business that requires them — even if they’ve had their final vaccine dose two or more weeks ago, CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told reporters at a press briefing. Fully vaccinated people will also still need to wear masks on airplanes, buses, trains and other public transportation, she said.

Walensky said unvaccinated people should still continue to wear masks, adding they remain at risk of mild or severe illness, death, and risk of spreading the disease to others. People with compromised immune systems should speak with their doctor before giving up their masks, she said.

She added there is always a chance the CDC could change its guidance again if the Covid pandemic worsens or additional variants emerge.

that message clearly isn't "COVID is over". people will hear "COVID is over" because we are a county full of assholes, idiots, and grifters. but people have heard "COVID is over" before when it wasn't said too, many many times. we've vented about them ITT. People have been sharing Youtube videos that say exactly that (or that it never existed) since the beginning.

I'm not saying we won't be welcoming new participants to the Ignorant Olympics after this, no, but I don't really buy that suddenly, this is the watershed moment in which nobody masks again.

my main worry is getting vaccination levels back up, as we are back below 2 million a day again, though we haven't had time to benefit from the 12-15 crowd yet. we did clear 2 million in today's report, but it was still below what we did last Saturday.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 May 2021 21:31 (three days ago) link

silver spoon up his ass:

Former child star Rick Schroder harasses a Costco employee over face masks pic.twitter.com/HRlWeJJlt1

— Fifty Shades of Whey (@davenewworld_2) May 16, 2021

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 May 2021 16:35 (two days ago) link

fuckin asshole

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 May 2021 16:56 (two days ago) link

I haven't trusted him since he antagonized the Soviet premier and caused a nuclear war.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 16 May 2021 17:38 (two days ago) link

"Walk to the edge of a cliff, Yuri. And drop off!"

cardio free europe (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 16 May 2021 19:42 (two days ago) link

I don't know exactly when Schroder became a piece of shit, but his commitment appears to be absolute.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Sunday, 16 May 2021 20:42 (two days ago) link

Just one-fifth of epidemiologists said it was safe for fully vaccinated people to socialize indoors without masks in a group of unlimited size. https://t.co/u3SNNNGNBp

— NYT Health (@NYTHealth) May 14, 2021

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Sunday, 16 May 2021 20:53 (two days ago) link

that's so vaguely worded ('safe', 'socialize', 'indoors', unlimited') that if I were an epidemiologist I'd hesitate to endorse it, too.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Sunday, 16 May 2021 21:34 (two days ago) link

i think the thing that bothers me most about this change (apart from the lack of warning) is that if you are a healthy under 50 who was one of the lucky people who got one of the appointments and took time off work to get your first done on literally the first day you became eligible in the most populous state in the nation, then you are not fully vaccinated until late next week.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 16 May 2021 21:49 (two days ago) link

*dose

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 16 May 2021 22:05 (two days ago) link

Schroder was one of the big donors to get that little nazi shit out of jail on bond, hope he gets incurable shingles on his penis.

Joe Bombin (milo z), Sunday, 16 May 2021 22:19 (two days ago) link

The question posed in the survey was:

If you had to predict, how long will Americans need to wear masks when indoors with people whose vaccination status they don’t know?

Nowhere does it stipulate "Americans" as being vaccinated or unvaccinated, it mushes them into the same bucket. It's worded terribly right off the bat.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 May 2021 22:36 (two days ago) link

Also dates back to 4/28

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 May 2021 22:43 (two days ago) link

i think the thing that bothers me most about this change (apart from the lack of warning) is that if you are a healthy under 50 who was one of the lucky people who got one of the appointments and took time off work to get your first done on literally the first day you became eligible in the most populous state in the nation, then you are not fully vaccinated until late next week.


Yeah, I got it the absolute first day they opened to all adults in IL and I'm only fully vaccinated as of tomorrow (yahoo!). Whole lotta people are still gonna be waiting it out a while.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 May 2021 00:04 (yesterday) link

https://i.imgur.com/gaH923J.png

Tracer Hand, Monday, 17 May 2021 08:50 (yesterday) link

welp

Detailed but intriguing short thread

Just published @NatureMedicine: For 7 vaccines, the neutralizing antibody levels are highly predictive of the magnitude of clinical efficacy, support long term protection vs severe illness, and preserved efficacy vs variantshttps://t.co/ZQIrTQErMm pic.twitter.com/rUl9TMbVrC

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) May 17, 2021

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 May 2021 16:56 (yesterday) link

The last time the US had <17,500 confirmed cases in a day was June 8, ~11 months ago, when the testing was 1/3rd as much as now.
The descent (exponential decay) continues pic.twitter.com/ehb2LHP6qb

— Eric Topol (@EricTopol) May 17, 2021

I thought The World in Data's site had frozen last night, until NYT's numbers came in for the evening and we're even lower. Waiting to see what CDC recorded for yesterday, but they tend to have lower counts than the other two.

Great progress considering how much more severely undercounted cases were at this time last year.

We're also at threshold of 60% of adults vaccinated.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:18 (yesterday) link

Wow, IL reporting <1000 new cases today. I think that's only happened one other time since last summer.

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:33 (yesterday) link

Yeah, that's incredibly promising.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:37 (yesterday) link

https://i.ibb.co/R44V3cr/Screenshot-2021-05-17-2-42-22-PM.png

Pfizer
Got me on my knees
Pfizer

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:43 (yesterday) link

(Robert De Niro asks coronavirus to come look at some dresses)

Slime Goobody (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 May 2021 18:54 (yesterday) link

it's in the way that you use it!

We're also at threshold of 60% of adults vaccinated.

we're not.60% have had one dose. 37% have had two doses. under 30% of the US population are two weeks out from their second dose and "fully vaccinated".

this isn't hair splitting, given the mask mandate change. 70+% of the US population needs to consider avoiding indoor spaces again because the CDC decided masks weren't white boy summer.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:26 (yesterday) link

I meant with at least one dose, because it does still provide some, if incomplete protection. it's not a 0 to 100 thing

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:27 (yesterday) link

every place I've been this weekend has still had people overwhelmingly masking. it is, as Ive said, likely more based on the environment where you live than anything. I can guarantee this is NOT the case in Brevard County or outwards towards Daytona - but ....they've never been masking.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:29 (yesterday) link

Someone should tell the cdc

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:29 (yesterday) link

considering that separate studies found vaccine effectiveness of 89-91% in Pfizer (a fact you acknowledged many months back, in fact, to correct me) 15 days or more after the shot, and 92% for Moderna greater than 14 days after the shot - it's pretty good protection.

Which isn't to say people shouldn't get their second shot, as it does provide more protection, and nor should the CDC give people with one shot permission, as the study was done with two shots so more confidence in the data for two shots. just sayin....it ain't like these folk are lying out there completely exposed.

https://www.healthline.com/health/why-two-doses-of-covid-vaccine#immunity-after-second-dose

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:33 (yesterday) link

this argument has done nothing but go in circles for days and we're just not going to agree so I'm going to leave it there.

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:34 (yesterday) link

Oregon's new case numbers rose through April and have been holding fairly steady until a couple of days ago. This puts us as an outlier in the midst of most states' sharp drops in new cases. I'm fully vaxxed, but I'm still masking for public indoor places like grocery stores and mostly avoiding them as much as in 2020. (I did visit a used book store last week for the first time in 15 months!)

On the whole, I do feel much more at ease now about my own prospects for avoiding a bout with covid-19, based on all the data I've seen about vaxx efficacy.

sharpening the contraindications (Aimless), Monday, 17 May 2021 19:40 (yesterday) link

I was out this weekend: grocery stores, small stores, walking streets, sitting at outdoor bars (several friends visiting family for the first time since '19, all jabbed). Not a single person without masks. In Publix, which lifted its mask requirements on Saturday, 100% compliance from employees and customers.

If the cdc thinks people should act like they’re two weeks out from the second dose after their first dose they should say so.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 May 2021 20:22 (yesterday) link

people are pretty much all wearing masks at groceries and other stores here. restaurants, bars, and clubs are a different story.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 17 May 2021 23:09 (yesterday) link

Xpost literally not what I said. C'mon

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 23:39 (yesterday) link

So CDC is showing 3k vaccinations in the US today. That has to be incomplete data, right? Cos it says 0 vaccinations in NY

Feta Van Cheese (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 May 2021 23:40 (yesterday) link

caek, are you fully jabbed?

Not until Friday. I got first dose the first day under 50s were allowed to in California so it’s not because I dawdled.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 00:06 (one hour ago) link

Xpost literally not what I said. C'mon


No I know. But if the reason is that people have protection before two weeks after their second dose they should have said that. The reason given was that the vaccines work, which is fine, but only applies to 30% of Americans.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 00:08 (one hour ago) link

Fauci just ended a segment on Chris Hayes' show. The "takeaway":

1. He disagrees, he said mildly, with the date of the CDC's decision but agrees with the science.

2. The vaccine has exceeded every expectation.

3. The breakthrough cases with the baseball teams are better than expected: asymptomatic with viral loads so low that the infected couldn't transmit it. In other words, the players wouldn't have known they had it unless they'd been tested, and they weren't dangerous anyway.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 00:21 (one hour ago) link

California keeping mask mandate in place until June 15. Good.

lukas, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:33 (twelve minutes ago) link

yes, I am glad about that

Dan S, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 01:35 (ten minutes ago) link


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