Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

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We have an outbreak thread but this one is meant as safe space for commiserating along the lines of "My bodega is out of toilet paper" or "I hyperventilated in the shower today because I'm afraid it's all over" or "I'm genuinely scared for my grandmother" and/or - god forbid - to be upgraded to more serious problems as necessary.

Personal experiences welcome, geopolitics are not. Please be kind.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:50 (one year ago) link

One of the elementary schools that’s a feeder to mine just had its first confirmed case. I’m not looking forward to the finger-pointing and speculation that’ll ensue tomorrow.

― rb (soda), Sunday, March 8, 2020 10:49 PM

I still do occasional supply/substitute work at my old school, including two days last week. They just had a family return there from two weeks in Rome. None of the teachers seemed visibly concerned, although who knows. At some point, I have to believe school closures will be widespread.

clemenza, Monday, 9 March 2020 03:55 (one year ago) link

I went to the Museum of Natural History in NYC today and when i asked the friendly lady manning the non-existent line at the butterfly exhibit "is this a REALLY light turnout for a Sunday," she laughed and said "Oh absolutely. But it's like 55 degrees out and daylight savings so it's not too surprising" and then both of us apparently agreed to not say "and also the pandemic."

I'm getting a Wile E Coyote feeling that the moment of tuna tartare tacos and free jazz at the club on Sunday night may be only allowable until i look down and existential dread and fear of a panicking metropolis is starting to gain steam. Called my mom to tell her she was going to hear a lot of scary things in the next few weeks but that I would do my best to keep it together and not to worry and she suggested I get toilet paper and lentils.

for those stressing, I'm hoping you will please take a few deep breaths (from six meters away) and strive to be human and i will try to do the same.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 March 2020 03:58 (one year ago) link

I don't feel excessively stressed, but every time I try to talk to my wife and kid about this they seem worryingly nonchalant about it all. Not sure how to convince them to take it seriously without coming off as a crackpot.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:00 (one year ago) link

You could try telling them that the point of taking precautions like extra hand washing isn't about them saving themselves from getting sick, because kids and young adults tend not to be drastically ill and you aren't so worried about them. Tell them it is about being responsible for not making others horribly sick, like old people and people with chronic health problems - who tend to be kind of invisible in society, who could die or suffer lasting damage from this virus. It might work.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 9 March 2020 04:53 (one year ago) link

Anybody having any luck not touching their face? A friend who used to be a model says she had to learn it to avoid ruining her makeup but that's not really an option in my line of work.

Fetchboy, Monday, 9 March 2020 05:19 (one year ago) link

it's hard! I just have a habit of doing it and I don't even notice when I'm doing it.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 March 2020 05:38 (one year ago) link

When I do feel stressed it's salutary to remember EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE PLANET has pretty much the same reason to be stressed about it, and I am not special or especially threatened.

Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 9 March 2020 06:53 (one year ago) link

I am really struggling with the not touching my face thing. A Doctor friend said one of the biggest benefits of wearing a mask is to make it much harder to touch your face, or at least the nose and mouth. (although I feel like its going to take a full face motor bike helmet to stop me from touching mine)

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 March 2020 07:11 (one year ago) link

30 cases in Portugal, which while low is I think higher than average. No shortages of toilet paper or sanitizer or anything else. Doesn't really seem to be registering in the same way as in US/UK.

I went to a coding meetup last thursday and there were maybe fewer people than expected. It didn't occur to me turnout might have been coronavirus related until yesterday.

cherry blossom, Monday, 9 March 2020 07:17 (one year ago) link

further cases of desperately needing to scratch an itch on my nose have resulted from not being able to touch my face

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 08:21 (one year ago) link

Have been wondering if any of the arts festivals this year are actually going to happen. There have been some cancellations of opening events because of the weather and now this may mean large gatherings aren't allowed later in the year.
So maybe the 2 events last weekend are going to be about it. I volunteered for the opening of Tulca which was on as part of several events over Galway 2020 when it's normally a festival in November. Then went to am opening that was part of the actual Galway 2020 set up or at least had volunteers with I'd saying Galway 2020 not the gallery name.

Just seen the headlines for an article in the irish independent repeating some of the myths including some of what Trump has been saying. Not sure how good that paper ever is as a news source since it seems to follow it's owner's agenda.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:42 (one year ago) link

after about the 10th attempt I've finally learned how to pronounce the word "epidemiologist" properly, now got my chat authoritative sounding shit bout COVID-19 card.

calzino, Monday, 9 March 2020 08:49 (one year ago) link

hell of a time to have a really intense sinus headache

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 9 March 2020 08:50 (one year ago) link

A Doctor friend said one of the biggest benefits of wearing a mask is to make it much harder to touch your face, or at least the nose and mouth.

My buddy is an ER doc and recommends against wearing a facemask. He wrote a really good article, "As an ER Doctor, I Need You to Know These Things About Coronavirus": https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/884d35/er-doctor-healthcare-workers-coronavirus

davey, Monday, 9 March 2020 10:12 (one year ago) link

good article davey, i'm already planning on sharing it with one of my more fearmongering friends

the beginning of last week was tough, not because of the disease itself, but because of the panic. i'm a bit hypochondriac, have some fairly nasty paranoid tendencies, and have panic disorder. this has been hard for me. on the other side of it i do work for a healthcare organization, though not in direct patient care, so i do have access to reliable information. i've also shut off most forms of social and other media (years ago) and, at least when it comes to stuff relating to my profession, am decent at understanding what is reliable information and what isn't.

the panic comes in waves, and though i try not to let it affect me i feel like it's important for me to at least acknowledge what i'm feeling, acknowledge what's going on around me. the way people are talking, the nervous jokes (deflecting with humour)

i fairly quickly concluded when shit got real that i was probably going to get COVID-19, probably sooner rather than later, and i was probably not going to die from it, and while i still take safety precautions the idea that we could effectively halt the spread of this in it tracks never struck me as particularly plausible.

there's a certain balancing act going on here - on the one hand not giving in to the panic, which is for me personally probably a greater threat than COVID-19, and on the other hand not working on diminishing what is absolutely a global public health crisis. human beings aren't necessarily good at dealing with crisis, aren't necessarily good at differentiating "ok this is a serious and major thing and we have to address this seriously" from "OMG we're all gonna die".

on a personal level, i'm going to be fine, most of the people i know are going to be fine. i have one co-worker i worry about; she's young (barely sixty) but is in pretty poor health and has a lot of trouble breathing. that's part of "taking this seriously", thinking about the very real possibility that a person or people i care about will die from this. on the flip side maybe nobody i know well will die from this, it'll just be musicians i like and whatnot.

i'm weirdly enough more inclined to leave the house since it's started getting serious. i can and often do work from home, and i figure it's only a matter of time before the company i work for starts asking me to. i'm expecting cabin fever, and leaving the house while i can will hopefully minimize it.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 9 March 2020 10:59 (one year ago) link

honestly as a data analyst i'm really worried about that 3.4% number i see going around, and i'm not sure darragh does a great job on that front - he cites a number of 0.06% but then later on cites an overall mortality rate of 2.3%. this is some pretty wonky stuff, the difference between case mortality and overall mortality, and it's tempting to get into an extremely wonky argument about statistical methodology, but i don't see that argument remotely being productive. statistics, in a situation like this, seem mostly totemic in nature, either a ward or an excuse for panic. i don't cite numbers or percentages when talking to other people.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:11 (one year ago) link

Find it very hard to avoid touching my face. Have taken to tying my hair back on the way to/from work to avoid needing to put my hands near my face, also less keen on using self-checkouts & other people seem to do the same. I don’t go to Starbucks but other people have told me they won’t accept people’s own cups anymore, so I’ve stopped bringing my folding cup with me.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 11:16 (one year ago) link

Toilet roll thing is hitting here. Panic buyers clearing teh shelves. Hope it is just a temporary thing but not sure exactly where the supply levels lie wherever they're getting them from. I assume it is going to return to normal and not be blocked by international exchange somewhere down the line. people not trading the necessary commodities that go into the production etc.

I mean if society is going to collapse i would hope it would be with clean bums. Maybe we need a rise in bidet production?
THink somebody I know had a hose bidet substitute tehy got cheap in Dublin on Facebook last week. Maybe that's the future?

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:56 (one year ago) link

Luckily I’m already obsessive about not touching my face with unwashed hands / not touching other things after touching my face.

honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:00 (one year ago) link

What’s with the toilet paper thing?

honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:00 (one year ago) link

Panicked people incessantly shitting themselves, I assume.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:03 (one year ago) link

As a person with a chronic lung disease I am:

- increasingly worried that this will hit me hard and at best will further damage my lungs and shorten my life
- pissed off with people growling at me because I cough a lot and they think I'm part of the plague
- a complete hypocrite who growls at everyone else with a cough as I'm scared that they have the plague
- thinking about the benefits of self-isolation in terms of reading and video games :)

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:04 (one year ago) link

xpost The best I can tell it's people worried they'll be stuck inside with ... not enough toiler paper to last two weeks?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:04 (one year ago) link

Def. have noticed places out of hand sanitizer, and signs limiting purchases. Also other signs, like the one at the vet this morning declaring it a "no handshake zone." Proactively and helpfully, all of our doctors, dentists, etc. have sent out texts and messengers saying, please, if you're sick, stay home. (And affirming that that is always appreciated).

I'm a little annoyed because my kids were both sick last week with mundane stuff, and now, when I want to be at my sharpest and most vigilant, I have a stuffy nose.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:08 (one year ago) link

my spouse hesitated about kissing me this morning and I was like "dude, you've stuck your dick in me, I am pretty sure you've got whatever I've got."

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:09 (one year ago) link

Yeah, but maybe not covid.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

;)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:13 (one year ago) link

we have not been touching our top faces. only our bottom faces.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:15 (one year ago) link

now is the perfect time to invest in a bidet

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:16 (one year ago) link

have a wedding planned in june and an out-of-town bachelor party planned for april 2nd. not gonna lie, i'm slightly nervous about that second thing. hopefully, the panic will subside by the time june rolls around, and i'm going to that party unless the faa grounds flights (sorry, not sorry colorado). but covid has been a fun additional source of stress during an already-stressful time.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:16 (one year ago) link

The Bidet: like a wet kiss for your bottom face.

Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:17 (one year ago) link

cancellations are really bumming my kids out - mariachi performances, purim celebrations, soccer games, etcx.

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (one year ago) link

Been thinking about life and mortality today. I’d rather die gloriously in battle than from a virus. In a way it doesn’t matter. But it kinda does. pic.twitter.com/m6vU5RTQHJ

— Paul Gosar (@DrPaulGosar) March 9, 2020

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (one year ago) link

if they don't get their Disneyland trip at the end of this month the tears are gonna be epic

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:18 (one year ago) link

Disney hasn't closed or anything yet, right?

So far not much here has changed, as far as I can tell.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

my work is definitely going to close when the virus picks up steam here and I can't do most of my job from home as things stand (and this will not be remedied in the near future). this is going to definitely create an "interesting" time for me, probable extra paid holiday from work followed by "too much fucking work" when I get back

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

it's a good thing that Paul Gosar was a dentist then.

Yerac, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:21 (one year ago) link

Disney hasn't closed or anything yet, right?

they closed Disneyland Tokyo (different situation, obviously)

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

definitely create an "interesting" time for me

Maybe you'll finally get to watch "The Irishman" in one sitting.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

JUst seen it confirmed taht teh St patrick's day parades are bing cancelled. Heard Dublin, Cork, sligo so far.
BUmped into someone i know this morning who was coming from a meeting about the local one and told me taht our local community centre had definitely pulled out but the town as waiting for the decision from teh council.
I thought it was pretty likely that if there was a panic over the last week a large close crowd event like that next week may not be likely to go ahead.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:23 (one year ago) link

Pretty sure the St. Patrick's Day response here will be to drink *more*.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:24 (one year ago) link

They won't need to dye the river, it'll just turn that color from all the covid.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:25 (one year ago) link

Went to Costco and the big asian grocery store in town. Costco seemed to be out of toilet paper but didn't notice anything else weird.

The asian grocery store was pretty cleaned out though - 90% of the rice was gone, all of the dried chinese noodles were gone except the very thin ones, and like 75% of the all the huge chinese preserved vegetable aisle was empty.

I'm kind of fascinated by what was gone and what was still around - I imagine some of it is supply issues for chinese products, the fact that the vast majority of customers are chinese, etc. There was still lots of thai/vietnamese rice noodles, korean sweet potato noodles, kimchee, pansit noodles, and some stray bags of basmati, sticky, sushi, and brown jasmine rice. My son and I were also the only people there not wearing masks this time.

joygoat, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:26 (one year ago) link

I'm not very observant, so on Saturday I learned that brown basmati rice is a thing.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:28 (one year ago) link

that's interesting, I shop pretty much only at Asian grocery stores (south but mostly east) here and I haven't yet seen anyone in a mask, nor any shelves unusually out of stock.

Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:29 (one year ago) link

Probably also touching my face the average (160 times an hour, I've read). Yesterday I donned one of my dog's neck bandanas inside the apt, so at least I noticed each time I rested my chin on my thumb. I imagine I'd get habituated to that, too.

Sanpaku, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:32 (one year ago) link

I've long been in the habit of touching my face with my knuckles, or the back of my hand. Like "The Thinker."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 March 2020 17:34 (one year ago) link

I have a work trip that I spun into a vacation for my spouse and I (me?), heading from SF to Paris then Amsterdam next week. We are both wondering aloud if this is a good idea or not.

As for the workplace itself, we are extremely deadline-driven in my dept and if we close it will have an enormous, unpredictable impact on them. it's definitely making me anxious.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:43 (one year ago) link

I'm slightly nervous about flying this week: first to Raleigh (for a Destroyer show lol), then NYC. But other than sanitizing the airplane seat table, what can ya do?

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 March 2020 17:51 (one year ago) link

Re: ideal time between jabs, these conversations never seem to talk about differences between the vacines in that context, yet at least the initial periods were different depending on which one you got - was that just a formality?

Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 24 July 2021 17:03 (four days ago) link

https://twitter.com/BristOliver/status/1419193587170959361

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:19 (three days ago) link

do tweet not auto-embed anymore?

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:19 (three days ago) link

I'm seeing "You’re unable to view this Tweet because this account owner limits who can view their Tweets."

... (Eazy), Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:20 (three days ago) link

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh - I guess you have to be a follower to read.

that's fairly ridiculous when you're a Tweeter actually sharing helpful information on the pandemic. I guess he's getting attacked a lot but geez.

will see if I can share a screenshot.

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Sunday, 25 July 2021 17:23 (three days ago) link

Would anyone stop me if I went to Walgreens and asked for a third shot?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 03:52 (yesterday) link

I've definitely been considering layering some AZ on top of my pfizzer.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 03:56 (yesterday) link

walgreens won't do it if 1) you gave your insurance details for the first two shots, and again attempting to get a third 2) your name is recorded in a state database vaccinated people database (e.g. california).

https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-07-01/reports-of-some-getting-pfizer-moderna-boosters-after-j-j-vaccine-prompts-calls-for-more-guidance

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 04:00 (yesterday) link

but my freedom

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 04:14 (yesterday) link

we have a billboard here that says "The Covid-19 Vaccine: It's Up To You". it means to say "it's up to us to end the pandemic" but instead comes off like "get the shot or not, whatever"

frogbs, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 04:22 (yesterday) link

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/26/1020866546/infectious-disease-specialist-discusses-whether-the-u-s-is-over-testing-for-covi

Early in the pandemic, there were not enough coronavirus tests to keep track of the disease. Now the U.S. might be facing something like the opposite problem. Dr. Monica Gandhi argues that too many vaccinated people are getting tested and finding out they have a breakthrough infection even if they don't have any symptoms. Dr. Gandhi studies infectious diseases at the University of California San Francisco and joins us to explain.

Dr. goes on to say, yeah, people are testing positive despite viral loads too small to really spread. But then she is asked about the Delta variant and says:

I think the delta variant is a different beast. I think that it is something that has a higher viral load, which is why we are seeing now more symptomatic breakthroughs in people who are vaccinated - not that they're severe breakthroughs. It's still true that 99.6% of people in the hospital right now with SARS-CoV-2 in our country are unvaccinated. But there are more symptomatic breakthroughs. You're all hearing this - more of a mild cold, or even can feel like you have a flu. We need to know if those people can transmit. It's likely that they can, though, because there is higher viral loads with the delta variant - so another reason why viral load is incredibly important now when we discuss breakthroughs at this point with the delta variant.

So what the fuck was the point of the initial piece?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 12:45 (yesterday) link

i know four friends with breakthroughs now.

really sad to see the vaccines don't work.

getting unvaccinated as we speak

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 13:20 (yesterday) link

I would get unvaccinated but I'm really loving this 5G

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 13:23 (yesterday) link

we have a billboard here that says "The Covid-19 Vaccine: It's Up To You". it means to say "it's up to us to end the pandemic" but instead comes off like "get the shot or not, whatever"

― frogbs, Monday, July 26, 2021 11:22 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Looked into this and found an article about the campaign:

That night Pereira sent a slide deck of the concept to campaign coordinators at the Ad Council. They quickly signed off on the idea, though some were initially incredulous that such a deferential tagline could be the pillar of an energetic public education campaign. “ ‘It’s Up to You’?” Bridgeland of the Covid Collaborative remembers thinking. It was so different from, say, the rousing spirit of the campaign to build volunteerism after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. “What about, ‘It’s Up to Us’? ... We need a greater sense of we.” But he was persuaded by the research showing that wasn’t how to talk to an atomized, mistrustful America.

Pereira’s team began drafting scripts and scenarios for how “It’s Up to You” could be customized for different audiences. Apaliski designed a logo in the shape of an adhesive bandage with “It’s Up to You” in the center. Much of the creative material and underlying research would be open-source on the Ad Council site, meant to be borrowed and co-branded by allies in the education effort. “The only way to tackle a problem this big is to create something almost like the DNA of a campaign that we can give to the entire marketing and publishing and tech ecosystem and say, ‘Go do it,’ ” Pereira says. “If we go the traditional route” of a top-down, one-agency campaign, “we are not going to be able to go as deep and as fast as we want.”

As a final check that the slogan would resonate with hesitaters — and that they wouldn’t interpret “It’s Up to You” as “It’s Optional” — Nunez tested it in a survey squeezed between Christmas and New Year’s Eve. The message clicked. “Everyone was thrilled,” Nunez says, “because we didn’t have much more time to come up with something else.”

jaymc, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 13:57 (yesterday) link

sad lol

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 13:58 (yesterday) link

I wish I could get unvaccinated so that I can get revaccinated and win an empanada or a gift card or lottery ticket. I feel ripped off that when I got vaccinated all I got was likely protection against a deadly disease for me and my loved ones.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 14:03 (yesterday) link

I know people who said there was coffee and donuts at their vaxx place and I'm like, why did I even bother?

henry s, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 14:26 (yesterday) link

at Cabaret Lido they give you a free facesitting with your shot

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:06 (yesterday) link

When my daughter got her first shot she could I guess get a free Krispy Kreme donut, but then I heard that anyone could get a free donut, vaxxed or not, and I was, like, why bother?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:11 (yesterday) link

Just in the last week I've seen a noticeable increase in mass wearing here.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 15:55 (yesterday) link

Three weeks after restrictions lifted here, cases in Seattle have increased 130%, and twenty separate restaurants were identified yesterday as breakthrough infection sites (ie vaccinated ppl catching it). Local health depts covering 58% of Washington State's population formally recommended people individually going back to indoor masking, in lieu of being able to mandate.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:07 (yesterday) link

CDC expected to recommend masks for everyone in K-12, regardless of vaccination status, and reverse indoor mask policy for COVID hot spots. I know I'm a minority here on this opinion but, jesus, it's almost as if those numbnuts shouldn't have jumped the gun on telling everyone to rip them off in the first place.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:20 (yesterday) link

in fairness, they did establish at the time that masks could come back if conditions changed. people heard it as a permanent edict though.

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:24 (yesterday) link

xpost Nah, I'm right there with you. I thought it was grossly irresponsible at the time and well (gestures wildly at increasing number of people falling ill)

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:26 (yesterday) link

Of course people thought it meant 'masks off forever!'. Of course unvaccinated people figured that it applied to them, as well. People are primed to hear what they want to hear after a year and a half of this shit. Which is why people in a position of authority need to err on the side of caution when issuing guidance.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:28 (yesterday) link

^^^^ OL otm. I don't think it's fair to blame the average vaccinated Joe for going unmasked when that was largely the message being sent and reinforced. I'm sorry that it's hard for them, but they need to think how the messaging is going to land.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:31 (yesterday) link

thing is, though, unless everybody upgrades to K95 or N95 masks, it's not going to put a significant dent in Delta due to the 1000x increased viral load and the rate of transmission right now. which isn't to say cloth or surgical masks aren't effective, but cloth are about 50% effective, surgical about 60%, and K95/N95 masks about 95%. i'm going back to the latter.

i'm not saying don't do it, because it will offer personal protection and to the people around you, just saying things may not have turned out much differently with Delta if the mask guidance had stayed in place the whole time.

making splashes at Dan Flashes (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:38 (yesterday) link

I guess?

But to me, the concern is not so much which type of masks (though they do undoubtedly make a difference), rather that the "masks off" recommendation gave cover for the vaccination averse to waltz around with no mask at all.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:45 (yesterday) link

I will say that when I wear a mask (which I just did earlier today, getting my haircut, as did the haircutters) it's a KN95, otherwise I sort of feel like "why am I bothering?"

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 16:49 (yesterday) link

That makes sense, and I get it.

I'm just not sure why folks are so ready to frame the CDC recommendations through the lens of obedient mask wearers. That's not the concern! It's the 40% of this country that are actively and vocally anti-mask and/or anti-vaccination being given free cover to waltz around completely maskless.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:09 (yesterday) link

Yeah, for much of the past year it felt like, "think of others, wear a mask." Now it's more like, "thanks to others, wear a mask."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:27 (yesterday) link

Having just been to the supermarket and chemists I can report that mask wearing is definitely in decline. I'd say the majority of men under 50 aren't wearing masks anymore (because they're so hard and their balls are so big) - also, I've never really understood why people with children have pretty much never worn masks. The staff in Morrisons seem to have given up on masks too.

Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:42 (yesterday) link

So weird, like I said, anecdotally the total opposite here. Then again, I've always figured those already vaxxed are also likely the ones to remask, and we live in a heavily vaxxed area.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:44 (yesterday) link

I can report I am in the 1% of people at my gym wearing a mask (i.e. I see someone else once a week wearing a mask).

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:49 (yesterday) link

this is why I've stopped going to yoga class for the time being

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 17:57 (yesterday) link

I get it. I can't bring myself to do that, especially since I'm going into work 3 days/wk now.

Carlos Santana & Mahavishnu Rob Thomas (PBKR), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:17 (yesterday) link

Starting Monday I'm back in the office full time, every day. As far as I know everyone in our open office area is vaccinated, but not one of them is wearing a mask. Even if I wear a mask every day, I'm worried about how helpful it will be if no one I spend time with day after day will be wearing one.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:19 (yesterday) link

I'm apparently back in the office next week. I'll be wearing a mask even if everyone else abstains. Particularly since there's no vaccine mandate at my place of work. Who knows how effective it'll be. If cases skyrocket again, I might tell 'em where they can stick their job because I don't trust them to handle it responsibly.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:22 (yesterday) link

Although I'm more concerned about being on the train two hours a fucking day.

Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:22 (yesterday) link

As much as I hate contributing to more climate change, as long as my son is still unvaccinated the train is a big no from me and I'm back to driving.

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:24 (yesterday) link

yesterday my employer announced plans to reopen in september were postponed until further notice

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:49 (yesterday) link

a non-circumstantial biologically motivated argument (i.e. better than my numerology looking at waves) that this is going to be a short, sharp burst:

Excellent pictorial explanation of what a "shorter serial interval" (almost certainly true for Delta in my view) means for delta from @wanderer_jasnah. https://t.co/f7GkzdKs4w

— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) July 27, 2021

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 18:50 (yesterday) link

Makes sense, and sucks that you have to make a choice around it.

also, I've never really understood why people with children have pretty much never worn masks

Have consistently, from March 2020 til now, seen families with masked kids and unmasked parents.

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:03 (yesterday) link

do to jvc

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:04 (yesterday) link

A masked kid is a rarity where I am.

Wouldn't disgrace a Michael Jackson (Tom D.), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:06 (yesterday) link

and that’s the anecdotal conga

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:24 (yesterday) link

Returned from epic trip to island off the Maine coast. Masks in decline but still quite in use, particularly in Western Mass, where we stopped on the way up and way back so I could do some serious book shopping.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:31 (yesterday) link

On the island, of course, no one wore masks... except in the general store, where nearly everyone was masked up while doing their shopping.

heyy nineteen, that's john belushi (the table is the table), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 19:31 (yesterday) link

do to jvc

thanks autocorrect

bobo honkin' slobo babe (sic), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:24 (yesterday) link

ha, wasn't sure if you were blaming me for something ("due to jvc") or confirming the same thing ("do too jvc")

a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 27 July 2021 20:27 (yesterday) link


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