US Politics, March 2020 — There’s a very good chance you’re not going to die.

or, proportionally, about 1% assed

sadly, that's more of an -assed than i assumed we'd get out of schumer

Yeah really

Tens of thousands of suicides in 1918-1919. There's simply no metric, including economic, in which letting Covid-19 go endemic and killing millions, isn't worse than 2 months of lockdown (with financial safety nets).

Sorry, I know it doesn't fix all of the problems we're facing or are likely to face, but four months full salary for furloughed workers is a pretty huge win if they're able to pull it off, and way more than I ever would've expected to occur in the US.

(Not that we aren't technically capable of much more but, again, the US.)

The hope is that we'll be "on the other side" in 4 mos and the lost jobs will come back

Yeah, I mean, there are all kinds of potential downsides down the road, but if in the short term it means people can securely lockdown for an extended period of time without having to worry about how they're going to buy food and pay rent...it seems to be what's basically necessary to keep this from becoming a true catastrophe.

xp as a private business owner who relies on contracts with live entertainment venues and festivals, i fucking well hope so. shit is scary at the moment.

BREAKING: Colorado is now the 22nd state to abolish the death penalty and Gov. Jared Polis commuted the sentences of the three men on death row. https://t.co/po2B8si3Pv

— The Denver Post (@denverpost) March 23, 2020

excellent news, thank you for posting that

"In almost every case and on every question, Democrats wanted to spend more and do more than Republicans did...there is simply no question about which party wants to move more aggressively to confront these crises."

Exactly right, from @paulwaldman1:https://t.co/2p5pFz3rUV

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) March 24, 2020

one infuriating inevitability of this whole fucking thing is that deaths are going to be so disproportionatly concetrated in densely populated areas that will transpose very neatly over "blue" districts—on the one hand reinforcing for millions the classic fundie "God's punishment" narrative, and on the other inhibiting future preparedness legislation because "only happens to city folk"

even now when Governor Jackass is talking abt sacrificing old people for the sake of the economy, he doesn't mean "old Kansans." He means old libtards and brown people who don't know any better

abolish the senate

otm

Yeah, I mean, there are all kinds of potential downsides down the road, but if in the short term it means people can securely lockdown for an extended period of time without having to worry about how they're going to buy food and pay rent...it seems to be what's basically necessary to keep this from becoming a true catastrophe.

― Unparalleled Elegance (Old Lunch), Tuesday, March 24, 2020 2:20 PM (forty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. I think it's obvious that people behaving themselves and remaining inside for the next few months will obviously become increasingly contingent on their not having to worry about paying for basic necessities.

That said, call me cynical, but the idea of walking to my mailbox and receiving even a one-time no-strings-attached check from the government for 1-2k seems like a pipe dream

one infuriating inevitability

not entirely so. the medical support system in rural areas is so thin that those who contract severe cases will die at a higher rate than the city folk do. in which case the narrative will be one of rural victimization compared to those privileged city elites.

Is that how this is playing out elsewhere globally? I really don't know

whatever the case I imagine they'll keep the canard anyway if it means keeping fed dollars from the coastal unsaved

I think Aimless is correct tbh, the cities are better equipped to deal with this

(broadly speaking)

Native American communities def not equipped. Read there's only like 15 ICU beds for the entire Indian Health Service, which uh doesn't seem like enough even during normal times. Navajo Nation alone already has that many confirmed covid-19 cases.

yes, it seems unclear which factor outweighs the other at this point (preparedness/supplies in rural areas vs density and more serious governmental response for cities)

the very last place I would want to be right now is the middle of nowhere

^^ reminds me of the Dylan line, "Didn't know whether to duck or run, so I ran."

I think Aimless is correct tbh, the cities are better equipped to deal with this

Also blue areas are, one hopes, comparatively free of "it's a liberal media hoax" / "God wants us to keep going to megachurches" / "Trump says everything is fine" denialism.

GALLUP: Donald Trump's job approval rating is 49%, the highest ever in his presidency.

It rose by five points between 3/2-3/13 and 3/12-3/22.https://t.co/YodNzOyYHj

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 24, 2020

even 538 agrees, this is the most popular he's ever been

The idea of him dying in agony is also pretty popular tbf

The notion that the clearly-terrified and completely out of his depth Donald Trump, the one who's currently exposing himself regularly to the world as someone more concerned with the health of the stock market than the health of the American people, is the most popular version of Donald Trump...well, you'll have to excuse me for a moment while I have a series of debilitating strokes.

I'm so angry I can't even make the obvious masturbation joke

let's hope he exposes himself thoroughly

Presume it's "rallying" effect, but also some people just straight up like the guy. Which boggles me, but there it demonstrably is.

If you dig into the story, yes, rallying has a lot to do with it.

other big factor: Americans are moronic assholes

evergreen factor

the rally effect is real, though. i'm not sure whether the next 2 weeks exponentially rising deaths/cases will lead to more rallying behind their dumb leader, or if it will just make it more clear exactly how wrong he has been the entire time. i guess those aren't mutually exclusive. jfc

He's saying very sunny things - hey, everything will be back to normal by Easter. It would be interesting to see if people turn on him when - inevitably - everything isn't fine and we aren't back to normal. But that brings us back to the perennial "who will Donny trump wiggle out of this one?" trap.

It's tricky to both want things to get better, and to want this dangerous asshole to not get any credit for it.

This fucking country

The thinking is: this is an acute national crisis and we all have to work together and get behind the Man in Charge, even if his leadership is destructive and harmful, because, uh, he is the Man in Charge.

xp -- I don't know about anyone else but if I do lose my job, that's it, it's gone, it isn't coming back, and my prospects of finding another one ever are nil

It would be interesting to see if people turn on him when - inevitably - everything isn't fine and we aren't back to normal.

I can tell you the answer to that one right now

That's not true. I say that not because i want you to feel wrong or to invalidate how you feel or anything, but because i know you'll be able to get another job. obviously you're super-talented and very capable. i just don't want you to feel like it's really the end of the world for you if you lose your job, because that would be a really tough thing to deal with, emotionally, if you really feel there's no other option!

xp

David Roth on the pissweakness of the overall Democratic Party response to our current situation.

Trump reminds me a lot of the actuarial analyst (bean counter) Fred Thompson describes in the Michael Apted film Class Action right now.

"To retrofit 175,000 units, multiply that times 300 bucks a car, give or take. You're looking at around $50 million. So the risk guy, he crunches the numbers some more. He figures you'd have a fireball collision about every 3,000 cars. That's 158 explosions. Which is almost as many plaintiffs as there are. These guys know their numbers. So you multiply that times $200,000 per lawsuit. That's assuming everybody sues and wins. 30 million max. See? It's cheaper to deal with the lawsuits than it is to fix the blinker. It's what the bean counters call a simple actuarial analysis."

Except I doubt Trump knows his numbers.

Just imagine how effective he might be with better screenwriters.

trump is like 1980s television to the skilled, non-dumbest world man in the world straight up fascism of 2010s television

CNN is summing up some of things he said at his Fox-sponsored town hall this afternoon--including, somewhere in the gray area between implicitly and explicitly, the prospect that how well governors have treated him will figure into how much money that state gets.

someday it'll be like "oh yeah, their fascism is even more effective when it's not so fucking dumb, wow"

pros and cons of a military coup, please

presuming there will be a big enough rogue faction when the bodies accumulate

again, points to Murc's law when sic reads a (good) jeremiad by ex-Deadspinner David Roth that is mostly about how absolutely abysmal Trump and the GOP are, and decides the real headline is that Democrats suck. Frog, scorpion, etc. boring.