Even those among us who, you know, actually may get one.
― 🚶♂️💨 (Eric H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:25 (two years ago) link
Pretend you have a ballot for the 2012 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time listPick only one Sight and Sound Top Ten Poll.Which Sight & Sound all-time top 10 list is the best?
Like how conservative or how totally idiosyncratic would you let your list get?
I'd be tempted to only list movies from the last 20 years, just because recent movies have been underrepresented since the 1972 poll.
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:06 (two years ago) link
I continue to wear out my favourite films--last time I watched Nashville, I knew I'd crossed the line (which doesn't mean I think it's any less great, I just lose that feeling of discovery or elation or whatever)--so I'd have to think about this. I know for sure Zodiac would be very high this time.
― clemenza, Monday, 24 February 2020 18:16 (two years ago) link
Based on my two ballots for Film Twitter's annual "SHMIGHT & SHMOUND" polls, I'd likely be culling from this shortlist:
MAKE WAY FOR TOMORROW (McCarey)DAISY KENYON (Preminger)UN CHANT D'AMOUR (Genet)DUCK AMUCK (Jones)THE LADIES' MAN (Lewis)LA JETÉE (Marker)UNSERE AFRIKAREISE (Kubelka)FEMALE TROUBLE (Waters)THE TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE (Hooper)TANGO (Rybczynski)A BRIGHTER SUMMER DAY (Yang)SHOWGIRLS (Verhoeven)TASTE OF CHERRY (Kiarostami)OUTER SPACE (Tscherkassky)YI YI (Yang)INLAND EMPIRE (Lynch)
― 🚶♂️💨 (Eric H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:32 (two years ago) link
Aside from there being no Sirk or Dreyer there.
― 🚶♂️💨 (Eric H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 18:34 (two years ago) link
THE LAST LAUGH (Murnau)CITY LIGHTS (Chaplin)THE MIRROR (Tarkovski)JEANNE DIELMANN (Akermann)HISTOIRE(S) DU CINEMA (Godard)CLOSE UP (Kiarostami)WERCKMEISTER HARMONIES (Tarr)UNCLE BOONMEE (Weerasethakul)STRAY DOGS (Tsai)AMOUR FOU (Haussner)
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 February 2020 18:50 (two years ago) link
w/out thinking much, first draft;
SHERLOCK JUNIORDUCK SOUPL'ATALANTETHE MIRACLE OF MORGAN'S CREEKFIRES ON THE PLAINTHE LEOPARDBLACK GIRL2001: A SPACE ODYSSEYTRISTANATHE MIRRORA MOMENT OF INNOCENCEMULHOLLAND DR.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:01 (two years ago) link
I'd be tempted to only list movies from the last 20 years
I wouldn't, bcz narrative filmmakers are kinda out of ideas.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:05 (two years ago) link
A list of non-narrative filmmaking from the last 20 years would be awesome, though
― Frederik B, Monday, 24 February 2020 19:13 (two years ago) link
Duck Amuck 💜
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 24 February 2020 19:49 (two years ago) link
This reminds me of some ilx polls with 50 options, of which 32 each receive one vote and the poll winner receives two votes.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 February 2020 20:04 (two years ago) link
FIRES ON THE PLAIN
Good choice, but I was thinking The Burmese Harp would get my Ichikawa spot.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 24 February 2020 22:40 (two years ago) link
my list would be absolute nonsense
― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 24 February 2020 23:35 (two years ago) link
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, February 24, 2020
more like seeing ilxors' individual choices in the year-end polls, which I think is interesting
― Dan S, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:31 (two years ago) link
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, February 24, 2020 2:49 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
The best film mentioned in this thread thus far.
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:48 (two years ago) link
really like Tscherkassky's Outer Space
― Dan S, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 00:53 (two years ago) link
alternate list bcz really, no Hitchcock on the last one
THE CROWDLA CHIENNEMODERN TIMESLETTER FROM AN UNKNOWN WOMANEUROPA '51NORTH BY NORTHWESTTHE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCEPOINT BLANKCHINATOWNFOX AND HIS FRIENDSMIKEY AND NICKYTHE KING OF COMEDY
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:38 (two years ago) link
idg Duck Amuck, or why anyone would particularly care about it, fwiw.
Tscherkassky, yes!
― Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 01:40 (two years ago) link
/I'd be tempted to only list movies from the last 20 years/I wouldn't, bcz narrative filmmakers are kinda out of ideas.
― 🚶♂️💨 (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 04:07 (two years ago) link
Sorry, 18. Point taken.
― 🚶♂️💨 (Eric H.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 04:10 (two years ago) link
BAD TIMINGSYNECDOCHE, NEW YORKNEWS FROM HOMETASTE OF CHERRYCALIFORNIA SPLITIN A YEAR WITH 13 MOONSSHADOW OF A DOUBTLIFE IS SWEETDISHONOREDDOMESTIC VIOLENCETHE DEER HUNTERTHE LAST PICTURE SHOW
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 05:48 (two years ago) link
MISHIMA: A LIFE IN FOUR CHAPTERS (Schrader)PERSONA (Bergman)REPULSION (Polanski)LA JETÉE (Marker)STALKER (Tarkovsky)LA RÈGLE DU JEU (Renoir)MELANCHOLIA (von Trier)LIQUID SKY (Tsukerman)UNDER THE SKIN (Glazer)THE WHITE BALLOON (Panahi)ORPHÉE (Cocteau)BLACK NARCISSUS (Powell and Pressburger)
― tangenttangent, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 10:02 (two years ago) link
Oh look, we only have three films in common! But one of them is Liquid Sky and that's what counts
2001: A Space OdysseyArabian NightsCeline and Julie Go BoatingHard To Be A God Liquid SkyPenda's FenRear WindowStalkerThat Obscure Object Of DesireThe Rules Of The GameToni ErdmannWatership Down
― imago, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 10:48 (two years ago) link
Penda's Fen! right on
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 11:24 (two years ago) link
ty ty but as is clear, tt is the film expert in our house
― imago, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 11:33 (two years ago) link
yes Eric, you see more recent greatness than I do*, that's why youre still in the arena
*do you? really? I can't even call Certified Copy great. It's... enough already.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:40 (two years ago) link
I don't understand why you *wouldn't* make an idiosyncratic list
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:40 (two years ago) link
Mishima is more or less my favourite movie so good work tt
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:41 (two years ago) link
A Brighter Summer DayLancelot Du LacKiki's Delivery ServiceJohnny GuitarLe Rayon VertLate AutumnStray DogsWorkers, Peasants Rio BravoNo Home Movie
― devvvine, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:48 (two years ago) link
prediction for the poll: the searchers falls out of top 10, a brighter summer day enters the top 30
Jeanne Dielmann should be top ten, more Akerman should enter the top 100
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:53 (two years ago) link
Are all your 'ballots' ordered? Mine's alphabetical
Good old Lancelot would be on my longer list, nice choice
― imago, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:54 (two years ago) link
Rewatched Andrei Rublev the other night and it's right up there
Andrei RublevMishimaThe AssassinM or Mabuse the GamblerFor a Few Dollars MoreWeekendThe Big SleepThe Gospel According to St MatthewVertigoKikujiro
I dunno, top of my head, not ordered
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:56 (two years ago) link
Mine was attempted chronological. I only now realized I forgot A Matter of Life and Death. So delete either Boonmee or Amour Fou, I guess. Good thing I still have a couple of years.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:58 (two years ago) link
Les Rendez-vous d'Anna svp
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:59 (two years ago) link
If I'd put any thought in there'd probably be a P&P in there, Black Narcissus or The Red Shoes
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 12:59 (two years ago) link
News From Home and No Home Movie could as well
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:00 (two years ago) link
Eh, it'll change tomorrow/five minutes from now but fuckit:
Mulholland Drive (Lynch)Tree of Life (Mallick)Hausu (Obayashi)Possession (Zulawski)McCabe and Mrs. Miller (Altman)Phantom of the Paradise (De Palma)Stop Making Sense (Demme)Five Easy Pieces (Rafelson)The Innocents (Clayton)Robot Monster (Tucker)
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:07 (two years ago) link
mine was unordered
― devvvine, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:08 (two years ago) link
Mine was unordered too, but yeah - Mishima pretty much top of the pack.
Le Rayon Vert v. close to making mine
― tangenttangent, Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:22 (two years ago) link
I've watched Mishima more than any other film and I will never tire of it
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:24 (two years ago) link
Summer HoursVagabondThe Turin HorseThe Lady EveLos Olvidados Early SummerDead RingersCertified CopyStrangers on a TrainThe Merchant of Four SeasonsPandora's Box
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:46 (two years ago) link
Oh shit I missed out L'Age d'Or and an Ozu to be decided
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:50 (two years ago) link
Late Spring?
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:51 (two years ago) link
Rublev and The Assassin are amazing to me in their ability/attempts to recreate the texture of the past, presentation of other worlds without trying to mediate them for modernity. Really love King Hu's Legend of the Mountain for similar reasons. They are transportive in amazing ways.
― Dunty Reggae party 🎉 (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:54 (two years ago) link
oh what the hell
SunriseTexas Chainsaw MassacreGrave of the FirefliesLes Rendez-vous d'AnnaInland EmpireThe Long GoodbyeStalkerPoint BlankThe Thin Blue LineAudition
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 13:56 (two years ago) link
this is a ludicrous mind game
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 14:06 (two years ago) link
New board/life description
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 25 February 2020 14:09 (two years ago) link
Lol, exactly
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:03 (one year ago) link
Also, merry Sicilian.
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:04 (one year ago) link
This reads like this guy got divorced by cinema and now cinema won’t let him see the kids
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:08 (one year ago) link
omg
― AP Chemirocha (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 31 May 2021 11:19 (one year ago) link
Savage.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:17 (one year ago) link
lol of course he has to weigh in on fucking Birth of a Nation even though he isn't voting for it.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:20 (one year ago) link
I want to be on this guy's side, but I also think that the main point of doing these polls every 10 years is to track how tastes change with time. And he's really not selling that.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:25 (one year ago) link
Yeah I wasn’t trying to be mean, I think his perspective is potentially interesting & would like those reminiscences without the note of sadsack self pity; it’s especially rich because he’s basically like “I guess there’s just no room on this ol’ rock anymore for a guy who votes for vertigo and citizen kane in decadal polls” and come on
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:36 (one year ago) link
I hope they let him vote so he can immediately disappear among all the indistinguishable ballots. You can do it Tony!
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:38 (one year ago) link
Yeah but also...
of course he has to weigh in on fucking Birth of a Nation even though he isn't voting for it
This.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:44 (one year ago) link
Yeah that sucked & it was a rather cowardly sort of weighing in too
― Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:48 (one year ago) link
My final film for the 2022 Sight & Sound top ten is Philadelphia. A movie that opens with music by Springsteen and closes with music by Neil Young is a keeper.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 May 2021 14:53 (one year ago) link
He's 84 so the only film that predates him on his list is The General. I have to admit, on my own list, I probably have at least as many films older than me than not, so I can't point fingers about being out of touch with film culture.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 14:58 (one year ago) link
I kind of want to defend him too, although "weird" in my original post may suggest otherwise. I found it weird he would publically lobby for a ballot. I hope he gets one, though. "Hey, I founded Film Heritage"--I guess only someone as stuck in that moment (when it comes to film critics) as I am would find that touching. I also wonder if Andrew Sarris's ballot, if he were alive, would be appreciably different.
― clemenza, Monday, 31 May 2021 15:22 (one year ago) link
Here's the Agee piece on Griffith. Only the first two pages are on Birth of a Nation. Their final paragraph:
(Today, The Birth of it Nation is boycotted or shown piecemeal; too many more or less well-meaning people still accuse Griffith of having made it an anti-Negro movie. At best, this is nonsense, and at worst, it is vicious nonsense. Even if it were an anti-Negro movie, a work of such quality should be shown, and shown whole. But the accusation is unjust. Griffith went to almost preposterous lengths to be fair to the Negroes as he understood them, and he understood them as a good type of Southerner does. I don’t entirely agree with him; nor can I be sure that the film wouldn’t cause trouble and misunderstanding, especially as advertised and exacerbated by contemporary abolitionists; but Griffith’s absolute desire to be fair, and understandable, is written all over the picture; so are degrees of understanding, honesty, and compassion far beyond the capacity of his accusers. So, of course, are the salient facts of the so-called Reconstruction years.)
― wasdnuos (abanana), Monday, 31 May 2021 15:32 (one year ago) link
My final film for the 2022 Sight & Sound top ten is Philadelphia. A movie that opens with music by Springsteen and closes with music by Neil Young is a keeper.― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, May 31, 2021 9:53 AM (forty-eight minutes ago)
"Who could ask for anything more? It's a film for a Philly guy -- and a human being."
I can read between those lines, old man.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 15:42 (one year ago) link
Having watched the full, unexpurgated version of Birth of a Nation last year, can I just say fuck DW Griffith, fuck Jim Agee and fuck Tony Macklin.
― A viking of frowns, (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 31 May 2021 15:43 (one year ago) link
D. W. Griffith - "Accidental Racist"
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:01 (one year ago) link
What's o_O about BOAN defenders is that it was widely perceived as provocatively racist in *1915*. To be fair, I didn't know that when first getting into film history in the 90s, but it's a fact that has been broadly established by now (even something as popular-history as Longworth's You Must Remember This mentioned it briefly in the most recent series)
― rob, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:02 (one year ago) link
The most amazing leap in that Agee piece is that it's supposedly "contemporary abolitionists" who would "cause trouble and misunderstanding" around the film.
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:03 (one year ago) link
To be fair to Agee, they're still doing it to this day, to hear some tell it.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 16:18 (one year ago) link
(Disclaimer: I am being facetious there. It's definitely revisionist history to paint Birth of a Nation as some sort of guiltless artifact that in only the last 40 or 50 years or so has been unpacked for its racism.)
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 16:27 (one year ago) link
Clicked a few of the reviews on the homepage and got a kick out of his two-star assessment of the PBS Hemingway.
The Old Man and the Sea is a profound, personal vision.
But there's little recognition in the documentary of the importance of going beyond the surface into the art.
Androgyny and suicide are more important in the documentary.
Glibness trumps credibility. It is as though the film was made by the tourists on the shore.
Such is Ernest Hemingway in 2021.
― i carry the torch for disco inauthenticity (Eric H.), Monday, 31 May 2021 16:31 (one year ago) link
The Old Man and The Old Man and the Sea
― Halfway there but for you, Monday, 31 May 2021 16:47 (one year ago) link
Happy New “we get a new S&S fill poll this year” Year!
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Saturday, 1 January 2022 19:01 (seven months ago) link
Went to a screening of City Lights this afternoon and was wondering when exactly this thing comes out.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 June 2022 21:37 (two months ago) link
Starting to feel like later than last time, maybe even December
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Sunday, 12 June 2022 22:09 (two months ago) link
Obviously, please post here when it does; I never check magazines anymore, and--at least where I am--getting one won't be easy.
― clemenza, Sunday, 12 June 2022 22:10 (two months ago) link
I mean, some of us might not have to pretend after all:
https://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-and-sound/features/poll-position-kaned
We invited more than a thousand people last time; the ambition is to at least double that number in 2022.
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Friday, 15 July 2022 12:25 (one month ago) link
Gonna go on the record in saying 2001 will win this time around.
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Friday, 15 July 2022 12:27 (one month ago) link
The callout for ballots dropped today
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 July 2022 20:29 (three weeks ago) link
hope you will be able to get and submit one, we should have someone to represent us here
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:01 (three weeks ago) link
Eric, I think your and our collective posts in the last two all-time poll threads (directors, films) have been a significant contribution to the discourse about great films, more than any individual reviews I've read in highbrow publications
S&S voters should read them, and you should vote in this poll
You too Alfred
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:42 (three weeks ago) link
besos
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:48 (three weeks ago) link
oh lol I think I misread you. I thought I had contributed.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:54 (three weeks ago) link
if you haven't already, you should lobby for a S&S ballot! I mean, you have to qualify
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 01:58 (three weeks ago) link
as long as you don't make your top ten all Buñuel films, I mean one is enough
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 02:05 (three weeks ago) link
2001: A Space Odyssey has ascended over time in the rankings, and was #6 on the 2012 list. It would be surprising for it to suddenly jump to #1, I don't expect it but I would love it if it did.
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 02:38 (three weeks ago) link
It seems like the critics only come around to agreeing what the best films of all time are 50 or more years after they are released. I don't see any other films above or below 2001 on that S&S list that are likely to rise in prominence at this point
― Dan S, Thursday, 21 July 2022 02:49 (three weeks ago) link
The window's less than 50 years, I think. 2001 came out in '68, was tied for 11th 24 years later. Mulholland Drive was 28th in 2012, 11 years after release, probably higher this time. If you really go back, L'Avventura was #2 a year after it was released. Obviously, something like that isn't going to happen anymore, but I'd say the window for ranking high today is more like 20-30 years.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 July 2022 02:57 (three weeks ago) link
What I'm saying is, School of Rock could be really high this time.
― clemenza, Thursday, 21 July 2022 02:58 (three weeks ago) link
I predict Mulholland Drive is gonna crack the top 10.
― Chris L, Thursday, 21 July 2022 03:21 (three weeks ago) link
air budair bud 2michael jackson thriller videodavid at the dentistfield of dreamsbarely legal #15citizen kanebringing up babyesteban buttez: the first ten postsgoonies
― ice cr?m, Sunday, 12 September 2010 02:47 bookmarkflaglink
― cajunsunday, Thursday, 21 July 2022 07:47 (three weeks ago) link
I predict Mulholland Drive is gonna crack the top 10
― Alba, Thursday, 21 July 2022 09:59 (three weeks ago) link
lol we had someone representing us before = me
and look how that turned out
― mark s, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:02 (three weeks ago) link
zizek only placed second as troll but i no longer write for S&S
(this isn't actually official and is mainly a consequence of my indolence and detainment elsewhere)
― mark s, Thursday, 21 July 2022 10:03 (three weeks ago) link
lol we had someone representing us before = me and look how that turned out
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Thursday, 21 July 2022 13:45 (three weeks ago) link
Agreed.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 July 2022 13:58 (three weeks ago) link
https://www.facebook.com/1631212662/posts/pfbid02exzLDGsJPE6poE1yLMmgxwYQX3Bwh8izRiPGwDCUTrKHPRRvEyhds3jLWx6K4Tpjl/?d=nPaul Schrader denied a ballot?!
― Bait Kush (Eric H.), Tuesday, 26 July 2022 17:13 (three weeks ago) link
they told him they would contact him when they were ready for the directors' poll
Apichatpong Weerasethakul’s 2012 votes (ten ghosts)
A Brighter Summer Day 1991 Edward YangThe Conversation 1974 Francis Ford CoppolaLa Captive 1983 Chantal AkermanEmpire 1964 Andy WarholFull Metal Jacket 1987 Stanley KubrickThe General 1926 Buster KeatonGoodbye, Dragon Inn 2003 Tsai Ming LiangRain 1929 Joris IvensSátántangó 1994 Béla TarrValentin de las Sierras 1967 Bruce Baillie
― Dan S, Friday, 5 August 2022 02:47 (one week ago) link