"I looked at some cheese and got an erection.": SEX EDUCATION on Netflix

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Due to popular demand, "Sex Education" now has its own thread! Discuss herein those houses, your kinks, and how come the actors playing Headmaster Groff and Adam aren't actually related.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 February 2020 06:28 (one year ago) link

this show: it’s good

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 February 2020 06:40 (one year ago) link

the look of outraged, crushed disappointment on Maeve's face when Jackson doesn't notice her fancy dance dress and turned-out style in S1 is a really great bit of acting

that's all I got right now but there are so many great little expression bits in this show

sleeve, Friday, 21 February 2020 06:58 (one year ago) link

it’s acting but also direction: the camera placement etc allows us to notice this. in theatre nerd terminology the show is able to find or even invent “moments” in the script that many other shows would miss or not think of

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 February 2020 09:48 (one year ago) link

the writing is really great - the characters are all classic high school comedy archetypes on the face of it but every one of them has surprising little flourishes and the cast do such a great job of fleshing them out

as i said on the netflix thread, this show just has so much heart

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 February 2020 09:57 (one year ago) link

also i think it might be genuinely educational for a younger audience too?

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 21 February 2020 09:58 (one year ago) link

yeah - there is a public service ethos running through it which ought to be giving BBC drama commissioners the shivers tbh

re: moments also thinking of the endless subtextual glances between jacob and gillian anderson, each of which conveys a pageworth of script

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 21 February 2020 10:15 (one year ago) link

Sex Education is ostensibly a British show set in a nameless British town (in some mythic part of Wales? Somerset? Who knows) featuring mostly British actors. The school however is a like a fever dream amalgamation of every American TV high school rolled into one with some extra 'zones', such as the toilets, which appear to be some kind of unconscious heterotopia into which the adolescent therapeutic formulations of the protagonist can be aired to his 'clients'. There are so many beautiful details to unearth in this mise-en-scene-heavy show. Just a few: there is a disproportionate amount of dungarees, denim, rainbow and pastel colours in the wardrobes of the town's inhabitants; there seems to be some kind brilliant progressive local art scene; there is seemingly only one shop. So many excellent characters, such wonderful storylines. I can't throw enough superlatives at this show.

― tangenttangent, Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:16 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is so hyper-realised and strange and intelligently written that it kind of transcends grossness...it's like a perfect cross between Adrian Mole, 10 Things I Hate About You and idk Lynch.

― tangenttangent, Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:22 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

If I may play the Otis to your Maeve, this show is the most convincingly surreal mass-market UK show in...decades? Kitchen sink drama has been cast away, and replaced with some exotic and highly erudite melange of Whit Stillman, Freaks & Geeks, 13 Reasons Why, 10 Things I Hate About You...all the best US teen fare, in essence, transported to our once-dingy, now somehow gloriously exalted isle and pumped full of psychoanalysis and sex hormones (I was gonna say Adrian Mole ffs haha) until it quivers right on the edge of madness. No idea how it was greenlit or made (the SETS) but the fact it's such a success is testament to how hungry the UK viewing public was for something that aspires for our nation to be more than just a vessel for no-nonsense grit. To paraphrase Pynchon, when Britain sleeps, does she dream? And when she dreams, does she dream of America?

All this for a show about horny teenagers *enormous Eric laugh*

― imago, Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:25 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

The storylines might be conventional sometimes, but a lot of the characterisation is distinctly strange, and it's the collective details of the town that add up to create something far more than the sum of its parts.

Lynch might be a bit of a stretch (though the surrealness is amped up in S2), but I was thinking particularly of the isolated sets: the derelict bathroom, a perfectly symmetrical 'trailer park' in a valley somewhere, a distinctly old-fashioned restaurant, a breakfast table overlooking a ravine, the busstop in the middle of nowhere.

― tangenttangent, Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:37 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's surreal in the way Whit Stillman's Damsels In Distress was surreal - it creates a completely & insanely idiosyncratic world out of familiar materials

― imago, Thursday, February 13, 2020 9:39 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

imago, Friday, 21 February 2020 11:05 (one year ago) link

this is our new favourite show obv

imago, Friday, 21 February 2020 11:06 (one year ago) link

also, we posted all of that before witnessing the show's intensity redouble in the second half of S2

imago, Friday, 21 February 2020 11:08 (one year ago) link

Every episode of Season 2 broke my heart and then put it back together again. It is just so replete with every beautiful and painful human thing.

Also I have lived every second of that scene where Gillian Anderson tells Jakob to get his stuff out of her house.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 21 February 2020 13:51 (one year ago) link

Greatly enjoyed this show, though bits of the finale didn't work for me. I didn't believe that Maeve would just leave her phone behind (with no pass code, despite trafficking in student secrets?) so that Isaac could delete the voicemail that Otis conveniently mentioned leaving -- struck me too much as an artificial sitcom trope.

The pasted text above about surrealism helps me a little peace with the school play, but on the whole, I found it pretty over the top: I know the show takes place is a much more progressive, sex-friendly bubble, but I found it quite difficult to believe that the villainous headmaster was the only adult who raised an eyebrow at the students staging Romeo and Juliet: An XXX Parody.

Otherwise, I love the timelessness mentioned above, the bell bottoms alongside '90s pastels. Aside from the mobile phones, there also seemed to be a lack of modern technology. Lots of record players, '70s television sets, etc.

blatherskite, Friday, 21 February 2020 18:16 (one year ago) link

In this world, people seem to give, gratifying, much less of a shit about technology, which is why presumably Maeve had no security on her phone. It raised an eyebrow but it's just a device to sustain the tragic failed romance tbh

The school play was everything. The show exists in bizarro world and only Groff was going to have any sort of problem with it. Lily is arguably series MVP and she required her moment

imago, Friday, 21 February 2020 20:17 (one year ago) link

Also, Isaac is a pretty likeable for a romantic heel. This show is SO good at having its characters be grey areas. Otis really is an arsehole! And yet we totally root for him

imago, Friday, 21 February 2020 20:18 (one year ago) link

This is the best available Gillian Anderson content, T or F

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:17 (one year ago) link

and how come the actors playing Headmaster Groff and Adam aren't actually related.

yes what the hell, they have the same face at times, is this just a British thing

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:19 (one year ago) link

3/4 of the way through S1 and have a bit of fatigue but generally really enjoying it. It does fit into the 'let's reimagine our teenage years!' hyper-reality fest of the likes of Booksmart (the colours, the eternal summer, the archetypes, the surety of everyone (for which I might mean solidity)) but it's charming, in the true sense of the word, and really well written - even if most of the characters don't give the remotest sense of existing beyond the screen. I do often find myself wondering how the hell they got it commissioned. And how they got Gillian Anderson on board.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:25 (one year ago) link

Gillian Anderson always seems really good about picking her projects. I remember reading or hearing an interview with her about Hannibal and she chose it/stayed with it because everyone treated her very well.

Yerac, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:28 (one year ago) link

I was thrilled to see the actors who play Adam and Lily show up in Emma when I saw it a couple of days ago. Got to feel a lot of the cast will be moving onto other big film projects soon too.

tangenttangent, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:33 (one year ago) link

I would not have guessed that the actor who plays Eric is 27, while Maeve is clearly 31 (ok, the actress is 24).

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:45 (one year ago) link

Meave always gives me an ilx alum Adam Schefter vibe! Which I enjoy.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:47 (one year ago) link

ALUMN. Sorry.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:48 (one year ago) link

Got to feel a lot of the cast will be moving onto other big film projects soon too.

Shall I bring up that once upon a time Otis was Martin Scorsese's Hugo?

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:50 (one year ago) link

And to think I only knew him from some godawful autistic-genius-child film

imago, Friday, 21 February 2020 21:52 (one year ago) link

Oh yeah, he was Ender too.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:54 (one year ago) link

And how they got Gillian Anderson on board.

She seems to be trying to work close to home as much as possible these days*, and more & more to alternate stylised productions with performances demanding "realism."

* eg The Fall, War & Peace, The Crown, this, Bleak House, Moby Dick, Streetcar Named Desire and All About Eve, quitting American Gods when Fuller & Green were fired, quitting X-Files definitively after the second reunion album...

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Friday, 21 February 2020 21:56 (one year ago) link

Otis is in The Boy in the Striped Pyjamas too!

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Friday, 21 February 2020 22:08 (one year ago) link

Can we talk about the relationship between Eric and his father which contrasts smartly with that of Adam and his father? Key episode was the one where Adam and his father are dressed almost identically, at the same time Eric is as far away stylistically from his dad as possible, yet his father is the one who’s caring and empathetic. Subverted expectations in that despite his strong faith, he was the one showing tolerance and understanding. Not sure why he didn’t feature in S2.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 21 February 2020 22:47 (one year ago) link

The little speech Eric’s dad gave him right before the dance.... I lost it.

v impressive how in S1 they didn’t tie up what happened to Eric in an episode or two. The reverberations continue for a long, long time.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 22 February 2020 08:00 (one year ago) link

I liked the bit when one of Amy's friends slapped her ham sandwich out of her hand and she went 'My ham!'

paolo, Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:01 (one year ago) link

also i think it might be genuinely educational for a younger audience too?

Definitely. This show is full of great advice

paolo, Saturday, 22 February 2020 11:02 (one year ago) link

I’m really mad at this stupid show for only having two episodes because I need more. The ending of that last one killed me. Fuck that sneaky MFer who deleted Otis’s vm. Lily is definitely the MVP overall and I would like to be best friends with Eric.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:47 (one year ago) link

As I just posted in the next flix thread by mistake (3x) Jacob is hot.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:52 (one year ago) link

yeah. I’m a het man but every time the camera lingers on him for more than a second or two I need to cross my legs

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:54 (one year ago) link

His eyes oof.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 08:55 (one year ago) link

i am dying to know about the Jakob 3xs person. I was looking him up under Babylon Berlin?

Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 08:56 (one year ago) link

Rahim was treated dirty in this.

Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 08:57 (one year ago) link

oh derp. Jakob. Yes. The other thread confused me and I thought you had a thing for gingers. yes mf'ing tall swedes for the win.

Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 09:00 (one year ago) link

He coded as Danish to me but we didn't check

imago, Monday, 24 February 2020 09:02 (one year ago) link

yeah i felt legit terrible for rahim - he did everything right and still got the shitty end of the stick

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:03 (one year ago) link

jakob's cocky grin - man, what a dreamboat

Generous Grant for Stepladder Creamery (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:04 (one year ago) link

i thought danish too and then i checked.

Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 09:08 (one year ago) link

maybe it was playing true to young love where you choose the person that treated you like shit but who at least made the base level amount of apology for it. (eric/adam)

Yerac, Monday, 24 February 2020 09:37 (one year ago) link

The actor who plays Jakob is vg in (the Swedish, non-Branagh, superior) Wallander; his cocky grin plays a starring role in that but he's handy with his meaty old fists too.

Tim, Monday, 24 February 2020 09:43 (one year ago) link

I bet he is.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Monday, 24 February 2020 11:05 (one year ago) link

Ok so very weird but I also thought Danish and was calling him the hot Dane until I looked it up.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 11:20 (one year ago) link

Watched s2 on a dull Sunday. It continues to be...fine. I will give them props for making drunk Otis a pure shithead.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 11:36 (one year ago) link

God I love this show so much.

All the cars are from the 80s too. And the bikes. And Otis' clothes are straight from photographs of my brothers in the 70s.

And I adore all the houses. So much. And the roads. Em and I talked about moving.

It feels a little like Breaking Bad to me in its own awareness of its status as a TV programme, and the hieightened reality that goes along with that - the colours, the costumes, the sets, that slight air of visual and narrative unrealness that allows the emotions and characters to actually seem even more real.

Adam's arc had me in tears in the last episode about three times.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 24 February 2020 14:59 (one year ago) link

Honestly I'd probably have liked it more were it not for the final beat with the voicemail. The whole scenario was contrived and shitty in both concept and execution in a way most of the show manages to avoid being.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:01 (one year ago) link

I didn't like that final beat with the voicemail but I kind of accepted its necessity from a 'setting up s3' pov.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:17 (one year ago) link

Em and I talked about moving.

Ah, the Forest. Where I was told by an estate agent DURING A VIEWING that I wasn't Foresty enough to buy a house there.

Doubling down on out of date information (aldo), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:19 (one year ago) link

What’s your beef with the voicemail???

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 15:24 (one year ago) link

tt keeps badgering me to take us to the Forest of Dean and learning that this show is filmed there will probably not alter that

imago, Monday, 24 February 2020 15:26 (one year ago) link

Proud to say I called it as Wales within a few minutes

imago, Monday, 24 February 2020 15:27 (one year ago) link

I thought it was the Pacific Northwest until I looked it up.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:14 (one year ago) link

What’s your beef with the voicemail???

On a show that's ostensibly about the need for communication and openness, it feels like a cheap stacking of the deck to have a character we barely know diabolically intervene to counter a straightforward attempt at said communication. And as other people objected: a) who confesses love in a voicemail? b) why would she leave her phone behind at all? c) does she not have a passkey or fingerprint check like everyone else? Because the plot needs it to happen in order to keep things delayed, is why, not to serve the themes/thesis.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:19 (one year ago) link

Definitely feel like the ending of S2 was setting up a potential coercive control storyline for S3.

I watched both series in the space of a week, if that, and loved it. Thought the non-specific style, time and location was great in setting up a slight suspension of disbelief, and probably was good for making it a bit more universal.

michaellambert, Monday, 24 February 2020 17:25 (one year ago) link

X-Post Ok fine I agree on b and c but I think given the situation he totally might have done it in vm.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:27 (one year ago) link

I had the same thought, not really about the mechanics of it (although considering the casual approach to time periods & technology, maybe they should have just given her a landline & answering machine!), but that communication is such a primary theme in the show. And I hate plots that rely on miscommunication/misunderstandings (that could easily be resolved if characters actually had a conversation) for too long.

xp

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:27 (one year ago) link

which contrarily was what worked about the Rahim storyline, here's a character who's so upfront and transparent and mature, but the people around him are just not like that (yet, presumably), incl his partner, and he winds up screwed because of it.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 24 February 2020 17:31 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've bailed on the second season. The writing took a nosedive and like a lot of second seasons it just feels rushed.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:05 (one year ago) link

don't think you'll find many agreeing with you there

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:08 (one year ago) link

Ech. My appetite was more than sated with the first season and, to murder that metaphor, all of that nourishment started to feel like excess. I found Maeve (who I totally fell for: who didn't?) increasingly unbelievable and the more they explored the different characters the more they seemed to hollow them out. I may just be dead inside.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:13 (one year ago) link

I can kind of see that. Season 2s are often very difficult after a great first season.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:14 (one year ago) link

If I could pinpoint a moment when I thought, nah, I can't be bothered any more: the first glimpse of the relationship between Hendrix and Ms Sands.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:17 (one year ago) link

oh yeah, i totally would play candy crush during those scenes.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:28 (one year ago) link

nice that you knew their names.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:29 (one year ago) link

i thought it yet another absurd and hilarious detail: a school with only two teachers, who are banging

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:31 (one year ago) link

I mostly just felt sorry for Ms Sands tbh

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:32 (one year ago) link

nice that you knew their names.

Hahaha. I was close to these people!

And aye, I felt sorry for her too.

Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:33 (one year ago) link

Jean Milburn used up the entire village's attractive adult male population.

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:35 (one year ago) link

population ----> Jakob

Yerac, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 12:36 (one year ago) link

ten months pass...

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2020 season is nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2020 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 29, 2021

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

the serious avant-garde universalist right now (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 21 January 2021 19:40 (six months ago) link

five months pass...

No sign of Eric? Funny that some of the students look as old as the new headmistress.

blatherskite, Monday, 19 July 2021 17:19 (one week ago) link


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