to form babby, or not to form babby

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I feel a deep kinship to Nude Spock, but his thread did not gain traction. And while the topic has been discussed severally among various and several threads, it's a huge subject that deserves its own thread.

The central question is, if your having kids, or not having kids, was the result of a definite decision, WHY did you make that decision? Evaluating that decision in retrospect is secondary, but welcome.

I really hope a good discussion transpires this time. The subject interests me greatly, and we ilxors, being mostly 30s and up these days, should find the topic relevant.

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 22:41 (two weeks ago) link

It was a definite decision, although we'd been together for ages and sort of knew it was a possibility (i.e. neither of us had ruled it out) although had been 'ambivalent' as in open to considering either option when younger.
I can't remember the reasons now as parenting has frazzled my brane...

I remember thinking that the huge list of 'cons' were all things you know are going to be tangibly bad (less money, less sleep, less freedom) although I admit I did not grasp the extent of sleeplessness and how fucking ruinous it is (or the cost of childcare). But the main 'pro' is this abstract 'amazing love you can't imagine' (I paraphrase). So already it's a bad gamble if you're risk-averse.

In the end it came down to
- having reached a point in life where I didn't feel like I'd miss out on loads by taking time out to do it
- feeling with relative confidence like it might be something I'd like to do (even though I'd not been particularly maternal or enjoying hanging out with babbies)
- that otherwise I'd have to make a definite decision *not* to and I didn't feel I wanted to commit to that - would rather give it a go and see what happens.

Husband also thinks some of it was
- able to relive childhood to some extent (seeing the world through a child's eyes)
- vague notion of continuing some part of you after you die

There is lots I did not know. Lots. I am a different person now. But would make the same decision again (NB this may change after teenage years)

kinder, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:02 (two weeks ago) link

would rather give it a go and see what happens.

I feel this (being childless), as momentous a decision that it is

There is lots I did not know. Lots

I hear this all time, and it's wildly compelling

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:10 (two weeks ago) link

thanks for a terrific answer, kinder

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:10 (two weeks ago) link

For me, I hoped my kids would do things better than me or previous generations. I think that's mostly working out.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:11 (two weeks ago) link

we were bored, it was time

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:17 (two weeks ago) link

wow tired meme

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

always wanted a gang of kids, always loved em, always was and still am good with them, but that first 'always' covered a very adolescent period until my first serious relationship (well, 'serious') which ran from the age of 18 through 24

she, quite fuckin rightly, didnt want to talk about kids at all, and we were so young (jesus, we were so young) that even being as settled as we were back then probably freaked her out at stages throughout.

so it kind of sat there as we learned how to be whatever we we on our way to being, accepted by me that we'd have kids and accepted by her that we wouldn't, until we verbalised that somewhere in year five and i surprised us both by being "fine, im ok with that".

she never believed that, and horsed me out the door a year-odd later, quoting that as much as any other reason.

i approached the topic a lot more maturely with the next serious relationship, because a) dont be that guy b) i realised that i *was* fine with it and c) talk early, talk often and d) future plans at 18 can be anything, as you head into your thirties there's an awful lot more of "hmm ive tried x and ive tried y and id like to continue doing both and certainly i dont want to give up on the options of a lot of z too"

current reasons for not having had kids yet- im irish, married and straight, nobody ever asks the question any other way, are offered in a various set of ways depending on who is asking and how theyre asking

- mind your fuckin business and manners
- the environment (if they're the type who yknow go on a bit at me from a height about anything, especially if they have kids
- housing forbade it
- we werent giving up travel for it

careers didnt come into it, tho tbh what you would have to give up to afford children (knock on- housing, schooling, creche fees etc) rather reverses the angle as far as i can see- to have the family life i see people having in ireland, you have to pack a career and the most efficient, joyless possible progression in it into the seven years between graduation and ooops-no-thirty-year-mortgage, and im not even touching on fertility

if thats not enough, i see plenty of people hating it, and bad at it.

and i came from a shit set meself, and cleaning that up took til i was *checks watch* fuck is that the year, so yeah ive handled the teenagers i really don't feel like going back to the earlier stages now

her reasons- no interest, travel, oportunities forgone in the type of life we still plan to have

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

I think both of us felt that it was part of the meaning of life for us, so in that regard it was almost an act of faith (in a secular sort of sense) and we never really thought to make pro/con lists.

Having kids vs not having kids is probably one of the sharpest life path divergences there is, so it's difficult to even analogize to other A vs B decisions (which college to attend, which job to accept, even which person to marry).

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

wow tired meme

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, February 12, 2020 6:19 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

wow seriously?

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

I think if your gut tells you not to do it, it might make sense to listen to it, or at very least think hard about why that is.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:25 (two weeks ago) link

i fancy having kids, it's a completely arational impulse on my behalf, which i didn't have as a younger man. gf wants kids and that also influences my thinking.

however a 2 bedroom apartment and childcare costs in this city would be beyond us - I'm not entirely sure they ever will be within our reach, as things only get more expensive. i'm amenable to moving to a smaller, cheaper, more boring etc. city in the province but the gf is from here and has lived here her whole life and is extremely reluctant to do that so i'll not push that

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:28 (two weeks ago) link

it was part of the meaning of life

yes, this is it.

partly as a reaction to circumstances in my life, I've developed a philosophy such that life is something i'm, hiking through, packed lightly, or probably more a gauntlet i must complete and i'm trying to find the easiest path. therefore i'm not trying not to become to invested and entrenched in life (i have not "figured out how to live," to understate it greatly.

When you have kids you are ALL IN, obv

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:41 (two weeks ago) link

ive also come around to something possibly related as a wider philosophy, existential transience or w/e

i dont think too many people have kids "because my line must continue"/"the people i generate will be even more awesome than i am" but if even like 2% are thinking along those lines in happy to be a counterweight for just one of em

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:46 (two weeks ago) link

deems, have you experienced and had to deal with the stages of grief, not having kids, and having wanted to, as you say?

have you had the impulse that you wanted to somehow right the wrong that your parents did to you and your siblings (and themselves?). this is fairly common iirc

xp

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:48 (two weeks ago) link

insert comma after "stages of"

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:48 (two weeks ago) link

i think it was part of my adolescent drive, yes, that would be fair to say

idk if/what/where grief might come into it, tho

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:54 (two weeks ago) link

the only thing that stabs me in the heart is when i see dads with their daughters

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 23:56 (two weeks ago) link

if thats not enough, i see plenty of people hating it, and bad at it
I feel seen

kinder, Thursday, 13 February 2020 00:05 (two weeks ago) link

jk btw
the early years are madness tho

kinder, Thursday, 13 February 2020 00:08 (two weeks ago) link

i lived with and helped out a lot when my younger brother had his daughter

idk if that took any edge off such regrets, i think it did tbh

xp i feel sure, as i do with most problems, that the top 97% of ilxors are almost impossible to imagine as anything other than living solutions and not contributors to harm in the hurts of the world, and tbh i feel surer again about any kids they raise tbh

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 00:09 (two weeks ago) link

My wife and I had our first child last year, we had both independently always wanted kids. My feeling on it has always been irrational - never considered the finances or how good a parent I'd be, it was always "I'll have kids and then figure everything out". However my wife and I met each other late enough (mid/late-thirties) that we'd already both accepted we probably wouldn't have kids, neither of us wanting to raise kids without a good partner. We got pretty lucky to still be able to have a child at our ages and there's zero regrets so far but I feel sapped of energy a lot and imagine I'd be able to handle it better if I was ten years younger

Vinnie, Thursday, 13 February 2020 00:42 (two weeks ago) link

Raising kids entails accepting a shitload of responsibility and putting out endless amounts of emotional energy in the form of love and patience, so it is my settled opinion that the decision to have kids should never be wholly rational, because rationality by itself will never get you through the whole arduous process, nor should the decision be wholly emotional, because love by itself can't do the whole job either. But if one side of the equation needs to be privileged over the other, then the loving & emotional side is easily the most critical piece. /old_fart_spouting_platitudes

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:03 (two weeks ago) link

I have always had absolutely 0 desire to be pregnant or give birth. It's all terrible. Other people feel differently. If a baby magically appeared and we lived in a society that provided basic support...maybe. We are both good with kids and I watch some of my friends' kids sometimes but I am thrilled when we are alone again.

Yerac, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:04 (two weeks ago) link

Anyway as I’ve often said on this board, I don’t want kids, don’t know what they’re for, don’t know why other people have kids, and don’t even necessarily feel like it’s okay that I don’t understand and think parents should explain themselves better. Kids, of course, are wonderful.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:07 (two weeks ago) link

Like if I had my own kid I would love it more than all other children, which isn’t fair at all.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:09 (two weeks ago) link

well everyone else's kid usually sucks a lot more than your own. it's the law.

Yerac, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:10 (two weeks ago) link

simply put i would not wish my life experience on anyone, born or unborn. tbh

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:12 (two weeks ago) link

Everyone deserves to have parent(s) who love them more than all others, of course it's fair.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:15 (two weeks ago) link

I think the proprietary interest granted to birth parents of their children is inhumane.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:16 (two weeks ago) link

At the very least all children should be granted a guardian ad litem from birth and the right to emancipation starting around age 5

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:17 (two weeks ago) link

do or don't you see that in nature, among non-homo sapiens xp

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:19 (two weeks ago) link

Child liberation requires tearing down the presumed naturalism of the birth-parent-family.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:21 (two weeks ago) link

or to put it another way why am I not just as entitled to raise your kids as you are?

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:28 (two weeks ago) link

as an only child with no nearby cousins, growing up i had essentially no experience with babbies. never really occurred to me to have or want one. i'm pretty calm and good at explaining things, so as an adult my interactions with kids have been totally fine, but of course i could walk away if things went awry.

at one point i convinced/fooled myself into thinking that having a kid would probably be okay, and worthwhile, if i also had a good partner. neither of those things worked out.

mostly the idea of being constantly and endlessly 'on' and responsible scared the shit out of me, which is lame, but so it goes. i sleep like hell and have trouble leaving the house as it is.

i might have enjoyed being a part of many of the childhood activities, but i can't say i regret being childless at all. it will be a deep bummer when i'm dying in the hospital and no one visits or cares about me, but that doesn't seem like a great reason to have kids.

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

I am very much into that South Carolina filed bill that if the state bans abortion after 6 weeks then the state must compensate the woman the going surrogacy rate and provide living and healthcare expenses and under certain conditions lifetime healthcare expenses to the mother and child, + start a college education fund for the child.

Yerac, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:30 (two weeks ago) link

Kids are wonderful, but I never want to be a parent. The big reasons are probably a lot to do with my own experience as a child: child of a bitter divorce, absent father, a very economically unstable home. I myself was a terrible, angry and violent teenager, and know that I couldn't deal with my own teenage self as a parent. I am amazed every day that my Mum put up with me, but I know being a single mother of 3 still wore her down, as wonderful as she was to us. I know people change, and learn lessons from previous generations, etc. but I genuinely fear that I would end up being a parent/husband like my Dad was due to some traits subconsciously handed down, and the general human thing of eventually becoming your parents. I wouldn't want to inflict that onto a child, or my partner. So there's that.

But there's also the fact that, growing up poor, I wasn't used to having money and freedom or stable relationships, and now I have all of those things, I see a child as something that could very quickly take that away from me. I value the joy that freedom brings me too much to risk it. I understand that people say there are joys associated with having children that are unmatched by anything else, and believe it, but I'm quite content with the joys I get from my partner, my friends, my work, literature, music, just being a human in the world. The potential joy of having a child isn't work the almost certainty of pain, anger and frustration that would also come along with it. The environmental impact of having a child is something that resonates with me a lot too. I don't know if we're at a place yet where we can have a mainstream discussion about the morality of bringing another first-world consumer into a world that is being ravaged by global warming and other environmental impacts overconsumption, but I think for the sake of the world and your potential child, it's something worth seriously considering.

triggercut, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:31 (two weeks ago) link

xxp i have never regretted not having kids. life becomes insipid but i'm fine with it

greta van thunberger fleetwig (rip van wanko), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:33 (two weeks ago) link

yeah there's also the fact that having kid(s) would have been entirely economically unfeasible until the very end of my/our spawning period

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:35 (two weeks ago) link

47, married for 17 years, no kids, not having any.

Not sure we ever *made* a decision. I'm pretty passive and my wife never had a strong biological drive for children. In fact, pregnancy invokes some serious body horror feelings with her. We never got beyond general discussions.

Tbrr, I have a bunch of unresolved issues relating to my upbringing and felt like not visiting that shit on kids. At least that is the justification I use for the "decision." I just didn't feel like I would be a great parent.

These days I do feel slightly regretful at particular moments, but these are very passing thoughts based mostly around anxiety of loneliness in old age. But that ain't a great reason to have kids, either.

On the other hand, my wife and I are doing well financially, travel, are about ready to pay off our house, etc., none of which would have happened with kids.

We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:42 (two weeks ago) link

people who do not love or care for their own offspring are even less likely to love or care for any other children under any circumstances, so the problem is not primarily located in the imposition of the parental custody upon the child, but in the shortcoming of parent qua parent. society does recognize the existence of failed parenting, and the need for other arrangements for the kids, but the system for this is chronically under-resourced.

all children should be granted a guardian ad litem from birth and the right to emancipation starting around age 5

this may vent your spleen, but apart from that I hope you know it is pure nonsense

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:44 (two weeks ago) link

idk anarchism for children!

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

I would love to raise 1/16th or so of a child

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

i am sure we could set up some meetings with some choice private equity funds to get this done.

Yerac, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:47 (two weeks ago) link

lol

haven't seen adoption mentioned here. my two best friends were adopted, as well as my god daughter. I don’t think people need for a child to be genetically theirs to experience parental love

Dan S, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:52 (two weeks ago) link

my parents are such dicks. I once brought up possibly being more willing to adopt older kids than having a baby of my own and they were so against it because of whatever stigma they have in their minds of not raising your own pure baby from scratch.

Yerac, Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:56 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t think people need for a child to be genetically theirs to experience parental love

as for loving an adopted kid, the love part doesn't need any genetic component. but the genetic link is actually kind of useful in its own way, in that many personality traits tend to run in families, at least as much as physical genetic dispositions do, so the chances are that you will recognize how your child is developing more easily, whether it's seeing a bit of yourself or some trait of a parent, grandparent or sibling. it's not entirely necessary, but it does help ease the child into the family.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:04 (two weeks ago) link

I'm not sure I believe that the genetic link means much tbh. I don't have children of my own, and I didn't understand parental love until my god daughter was born (she was adopted from birth). But now I feel like I really get it, and it has nothing to do with a genetic relationship, for her parents or for me

Dan S, Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:11 (two weeks ago) link

many many things i don't get about having kids, but near the top is naming them You Jr. or having their names all start with K or whatever

when i was little i knew a pair of fraternal twins, both boys, one of whom got the Jr. while the other was instantly branded second-best

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:26 (two weeks ago) link

There are many circumstantial reasons my being a parent is unlikely to ever happen, but a big one is that for most parents I know, considerations often seem to shrink (quite understandably) down to "fuck you we got ours", consciously or not. Also the notion that making more life is the highest achievement in / "point of" life drives me up the wall.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:29 (two weeks ago) link

why should I, personally, forgive my parents

put another way, i think one can say "satisfaction not guaranteed, but on balance it's a good thing" without suddenly transforming into a utilitarian

lukas, Friday, 14 February 2020 21:43 (two weeks ago) link

i want silby to write a response song to 'i hope you dance' from the child's pov called something like 'you hoped i'd dance but did you even consider if it was in my best interest to be born?'. it'd be like the 'no pigeons' song by sporty thievz.

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:21 (two weeks ago) link

Kinder’s answer is pretty much exactly ours: we both decided we’d probably regret it more if we hadn’t had kids, plus there was basically a moment after this vague anti-decision when E definitely and quite strongly wanted kids. And I was fine with that. Plus I’d seen my older brothers struggle to conceive and suffer miscarriages.

So much we didn’t know. Oh holy fuck what we didn’t know.

I love my kids. They are beautiful and funny and smart and charming - C regularly has older kids fawning over him and talking to him like he’s five rather than two, which I find weird, but he does seem to have this magnetism sometimes that he’s oblivious to. Maybe every kid does but you don’t notice it in other peoples’.

But I do sometimes wonder if it was worth it. Especially given what we’ve been through with C’s cancer. E always says “wtf else would we do with our lives, wtf DID we do before?!” and I agree - they give you SO MUCH purpose - but I can also think of plenty of things I’d do without kids in my life. Would I prefer it? Sometimes.

Knowing what I do now, would we still have had a second? Sometimes I think not. But then I think about C not having existed and, despite everything, it breaks my heart.

One of the best things about kids is watching them eat when they’re about two. Watching N eat back then, and C now, pretty much makes it worthwhile.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:25 (two weeks ago) link

And it’s not about ‘continuing the family line’ or whatever but I do have this sense that if you don’t leave someone better behind after you to be a custodian of this world then it’s all been for nothing.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:28 (two weeks ago) link

So are children for being special to you or for being their own person


These are so totally not mutually exclusive.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:32 (two weeks ago) link

great, great post nick

rip van wanko, Friday, 14 February 2020 22:33 (two weeks ago) link

Had a vasectomy after two - because ‘do nothing more than replace yourself’ - and at five months he was diagnosed with cancer and I felt irrational guilt at us not being able to replace him.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:35 (two weeks ago) link

Thank you rvw.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:36 (two weeks ago) link

I mean, there’s this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B8TVByUpfeB/?igshid=1h7f0lelt3810

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:39 (two weeks ago) link

And being able to ride bikes and listen to records and go out to the cinema or a restaurant or drink wine on a rooftop in Andalusia whenever you want is GREAT, but these people who are laughing their heads of and having the time of their lives came out of my wife’s vagina and I put them there and she grew them and HOLY FUCK THATS MAD.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:42 (two weeks ago) link

i read sheila heti's semi-fiction "motherhood" and rachel cusk's book about this (see https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/mar/21/biography.women for background on that). read em a bit late (one baby out, another one on the way), but i thought they were both very good.

i can't think of any serious writing like that from a male perspective (recommendations welcome).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:44 (two weeks ago) link

listen, I'm an idiot who hasn't read enough books, I'm getting to the end of my rhetorical rope here, all I want is for parents to accept that they've inflicted a potentially grievous harm on their children by having them


So I hadn’t read the whole thread when I posted, and I’m only scanning it now, and I see this post, and yes, I accept that by having a second child we inflicted not a potential grievous harm on one but an actual fucking horrific grievous harm on all of us and a huge amount of people around us and we’ve been in it for almost his whole life and will be in it for years and years to come and the boy is still a twat and a charmer and laughs his head off and holds a cookie in each hand and tries to shove them in his mouth simultaneously and hits his sister to make her laugh and yells “touch it” and slaps his genitals every time you change his nappy, and is it worth it? Is it ethical? Is it morally right? Fuck off. It transcends moral philosophy.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Friday, 14 February 2020 22:52 (two weeks ago) link

<3

mookieproof, Friday, 14 February 2020 23:03 (two weeks ago) link

Aimless

there's the rub. It's rare to know in advance what your probabilities are.

Yes, sadly, my daughter Puffaleta will be in a very different position from us if she considers babby. She's a carrier, so if she forms a boy babby there's about a 50% chance that said babby will be severely intellectually disabled.

Her choices will be like:

1. Not form babby
2. Adopt babby
3. Select a girl babby
4. Employ some yet-to-emerge technology to form a healthy babby (? Who knows where the science will be in 15-20 years?)
5. Roll the dice and form babby anyway (Not a path I would choose, but ultimately it will be up to her and a hypothetical future partner. She's bisexual, not that that is a determining factor.)

For my son Pufflet I just don't know if he'll ever be in a position to even think about forming babby.

Many xps, this was a difficult post to write. I want to go back and savor Mouthy's posts and respond a bit later

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 14 February 2020 23:10 (two weeks ago) link

being a human and having a human are both risky ventures

mh, Saturday, 15 February 2020 00:21 (two weeks ago) link

Scik Mouthy, I also had a vasectomy after my second child was born.

For me it was less about an ironclad "anything other than replacement level is unethical," more like a combination of "two is the number we wanted and could handle," plus "gee wouldn't it be nice to never have to worry about birth control ever again," with a side order of "I'm 40 fucking years old and already exhausted all the time."

I don't regret Pufflet's birth and existence. Once he arrived it became our duty to love him unconditionally and do the best we can for him.

Nor do I regret the vasectomy - though I know for some parents of special needsy kiddos there is at least some impulse of "let's try again, and get a healthier one this time." That's not a motive I endorse, but I am not in a good position to judge people in different circumstances than us.

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 February 2020 01:02 (two weeks ago) link

It transcends moral philosophy.

yeah it's hard to argue reproduction is such an arbitrary and "risk" choice when it's a fucking biological imperative. sperm. egg. sexual desire.

rip van wanko, Saturday, 15 February 2020 01:03 (two weeks ago) link

risky

rip van wanko, Saturday, 15 February 2020 01:03 (two weeks ago) link

Biological imperatives can suck it

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 01:13 (two weeks ago) link

That's kinda exacerbating matters in this case

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 01:45 (two weeks ago) link

Zing

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 01:46 (two weeks ago) link

Why does ilx call babies babbies now? What have I missed?

Virginia Plain, Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:02 (two weeks ago) link

how is babby formed

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:03 (two weeks ago) link

Literally a 13 year old meme

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:08 (two weeks ago) link

We’ve told ilxors younger than this meme

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:09 (two weeks ago) link

*got not told

We probably don’t but if of you would get your kids to start posting we’d have a little more life in here

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:10 (two weeks ago) link

i thought having more life in here wasn't the goal

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:15 (two weeks ago) link

How is memey formed

they see me lollin' (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:16 (two weeks ago) link

Aja is 13 iirc

rip van wanko, Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:26 (two weeks ago) link

They want the purdie shuffleexistence

latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:48 (two weeks ago) link

the Curly shuffle

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

hey Moe

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

hey Moe

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

hey Moe

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:49 (two weeks ago) link

hey Moe

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 02:50 (two weeks ago) link

After yet another horrible night’s sleep I take it all back. Somebody have my children. They’re horrible. I regret it. I only want to wake at 5am on July Saturdays so I can bike ride.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 15 February 2020 06:33 (two weeks ago) link

i have starting bit at 500, 500, do i have 500

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 06:37 (two weeks ago) link

tempted, but i'm holding out for steady mike's punk cohort

mookieproof, Saturday, 15 February 2020 06:39 (two weeks ago) link

warming up the eStork

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 15 February 2020 06:51 (two weeks ago) link

i'm not hearing a bid

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 06:52 (two weeks ago) link

also, how, exactly are you warming it up?

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 06:52 (two weeks ago) link

You want a punk cohort? Here are mine vibing to that Fugazi cover on YouTube:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B8Dr6LaJXZt/?igshid=8fbnl9f8w1b0

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Saturday, 15 February 2020 07:01 (two weeks ago) link

ahem CHANGE TO THE STARTING BID, we've done a reappraisal based on the latest video

do I hear $1,000, $1,000 anybody....how about you in the tweed hat and the checkered jacket?

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 07:02 (two weeks ago) link

I disassembled my shitty bed which I hate last night and I feel a lot better now

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 16:24 (two weeks ago) link

To form bedd or not to form bedd

Οὖτις, Saturday, 15 February 2020 16:33 (two weeks ago) link

If you hate your baby and you disassemble it you get in big trouble!

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Saturday, 15 February 2020 16:34 (two weeks ago) link

now he tells me

Last night I dreamt I watched The Mandalorian (wins), Saturday, 15 February 2020 16:38 (two weeks ago) link

i put mine back together but i had lost some of the parts during moves so the kid has two left arms now, it's ok tho he wasn't gonna be a baller anyway

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 February 2020 16:42 (two weeks ago) link

any post containing "babby" i'm mentally reading in the voice of Noddy Holder, ay it?

fetter, Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:33 (one week ago) link

So ya think ive gotta babby formed

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 February 2020 01:32 (one week ago) link


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