are there any accents STEPHEN GRAHAM will not attempt (stephen graham appreciation thread, haters tolerated)

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born and raised in KIRBY LANCASHIRE, he is considered a scouser (tho has ancestors both jamaican and swedish). his breakout role was "combo" in THIS IS ENGLAND, a drama set in a somewhat ambiguously omni-northern region (i.e. everyone in it seemed to be doing a difft accent lol) (which was i believe intentional however)

not for me to say if his al capone does not impress, i never met capone myself -- but SG is as happy to pretend to be cockney, geordie, scottish, 19th-c irish-american, 1930s chicagan, brooklynian and texan. what have i missed? what is he worst at?

he is currently an extremely shouty and dim welsh copper that everyone calls "taff" in THE WHITE HOUSE FARM MURDERS. "extremely shouty" is arguably his default mode.

I FOR ONE ENJOY HIS AMBITION and largely decline to nitpick. you may feel differently…

mark s, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:12 (one month ago) link

he may be the nu-gary oldman?

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:13 (one month ago) link

His performance in This Is England was excellent, have not seen him in anything else.

Apparently he's a semi-regular on Soccer AM

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:16 (one month ago) link

Scorsese likes him, hes in The Irishman and (I think?) The Departed

Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:18 (one month ago) link

love to see this guy, i wish him the best in all his endeavours

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:18 (one month ago) link

one of the best pint-sized actors working today imo

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:19 (one month ago) link

he's hackney-based jamaican in idris elba's yardie, italian-american in the irishman (deems will feel vindicated) and HEINRICH HIMMLER in the man with the iron heart

mark s, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:22 (one month ago) link

It's Kirkby, Merseyside which makes a difference and he generally and understandably plays better as a Liverpudlian. He was remarkable in The Virtues last year and depicted the most convincing and intense alcoholic binging session I've ever seen on film. Felt hungover myself after watching it. He's great p much always tho

or something, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:23 (one month ago) link

oops lol sorry so it is, speedreading by me there to drive home a slightly false point

mark s, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:29 (one month ago) link

I'd quibble with his breakout role, he was (scowly and cocknee) in Snatch, a movie so widely-beloved its director was later awarded the hand of Madonna.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:31 (one month ago) link

I'd grade him as only slightly similarly 3rd rate and loathsome as Shane Meadows (who made him) and Paddy Considine, although I despise the latter two and all his awful movies (more of a last decade beef) much more than him. Lol I complain about too many posh actors and when some regional oafs make a success of themselves and I fucking hate them as well! His American accent is probably the finest since Dexter Fletcher in Press Gang/Bugsy Malone.

calzino, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:34 (one month ago) link

watching him last night as taff in THE WHITE HOUSE FARM MURDERS, furiously bellowing at an underling who (correctly) thinks taff's theory of the murder is wrong, made me wonder quite a lot abt how actors feel abt one another in the moments after such exchanges: can you just switch the raging testosterone off and immediately chuckle together, or do you have to go away for a bit and calm down and stop shaking before you talk technique and line-readings?

mark s, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:34 (one month ago) link

I used to enjoy his work before he melted

GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:36 (one month ago) link

they suck each other off iirc, you have to agree to it as part of the terms of joining equity xp

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:36 (one month ago) link

My uncle used to live in Kirkby, it's originally an (unofficial) new town for re-housing people from the slums, therefore it's as scouse as Liverpool, if not more so (my family are from Speke which was originally the middle-class version of this, lolz) - think I'm safe in saying he is in no sense considered a wool.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 31 January 2020 11:36 (one month ago) link

no woolly-back but his accents are like knitting and driving!

calzino, Friday, 31 January 2020 11:41 (one month ago) link

He's p funny as Billy Bremner in the film of the Dammed United:

https://www.hotflick.net/flicks/2009_The_Damned_United/009TDU_Stephen_Graham_003.jpg

Ward Fowler, Friday, 31 January 2020 12:02 (one month ago) link

lol some great trolling of Leeds Utd fans there by getting someone who looks nothing like him!

calzino, Friday, 31 January 2020 12:03 (one month ago) link

His accent isn't great in that.

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2020 12:34 (one month ago) link

snatch, boardwalk empire, tinker tailor, irishman

yeah i like this guy, he has a bit of range but flings himself with a bit of guts into whatever he's at

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 31 January 2020 12:39 (one month ago) link

He was remarkable in The Virtues last year and depicted the most convincing and intense alcoholic binging session I've ever seen on film. Felt hungover myself after watching it.

came here to post this but couldn't remember the name of the show.

fetter, Friday, 31 January 2020 12:44 (one month ago) link

He was excellent in the otherwise rather disappointing fifth season of Line of Duty too.

brain (krakow), Saturday, 1 February 2020 11:41 (four weeks ago) link

I'd quibble with his breakout role, he was (scowly and cocknee) in Snatch, a movie so widely-beloved its director was later awarded the hand of Madonna.


Hah I was gonna say, we have Lord Ritchie to thank for this guy

Baby yoda laid an egg (wins), Saturday, 1 February 2020 11:48 (four weeks ago) link

oh yeah i forgot he was he was also amongst the turdulent rubble of that Band of Saving Private Ryans mini-series. Only a small part though.

calzino, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:00 (four weeks ago) link

snatch was 6 full years before this is england and these are the films SG was in in the interim:

Blow Dry (as photographer)
The Last Minute (as DJ Banana)
Revengers Tragedy (as Officer)
Gangs of New York (as Shang)
American Cousins (as Henry)
Without You (short film, as Billy)
The I Inside (as Travis)
Pit Fighter (as Harry)
Goal! (as Des)
Scummy Man (short film, as George)

so while snatch was indeed his first big movie it evidently *wasn't* his break-out moment (after this is england he was nommed for british independent film award for best supporting actor)

mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:05 (four weeks ago) link

gangs of new york was big (also bad not good) and i assume scorsese's casting guys saw SG in snatch but come on

mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:12 (four weeks ago) link

I can't remember him in that sprawling snoozefest but last time I watched was in the cinema, never want to see it again!

calzino, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:14 (four weeks ago) link

DJ Banana

calzino, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:15 (four weeks ago) link

we stan a legend

mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:17 (four weeks ago) link

he goes into pure scouse at one point (in prison with hoffa) in the irishman, it's hilarious.

Fizzles, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:42 (four weeks ago) link

The story of him smacking the ice-cream out of Pacino’s hand off-the-cuff, unrehearsed, had me grinning. He’s great in The Irishman imo yeah.

piscesx, Saturday, 1 February 2020 12:45 (four weeks ago) link

how does acting not just turn into a big fight on-set?

mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 13:12 (four weeks ago) link

blooper reels but everyone just thumping everyone else

mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 13:12 (four weeks ago) link

wouldn't have done it to ed harris

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 1 February 2020 13:20 (four weeks ago) link

the "welsh" in e3 of WHITE HOUSE FARM MURDERS is er wayward shall we say

mark s, Saturday, 1 February 2020 16:55 (four weeks ago) link

six eps in and the welsh never got better

(taff has been put on administrative leave for being a dick and possibly also for being bad at his own accent)

mark s, Thursday, 13 February 2020 20:23 (two weeks ago) link

Six eps? It took them less time than that to catch the cunt

Todd Phillips, party auteur (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:09 (two weeks ago) link

Lately I’ve been having trouble telling the difference between him and Alex Borstein from the marvelous Mrs. Maisel

omar little, Friday, 14 February 2020 01:13 (two weeks ago) link

I don’t even mean that as an insult it’s just that for example in that scene where he first sits down across from Hoffa in the prison cafeteria he reminded me of Susie getting increasingly agitated at midge in the deli

omar little, Friday, 14 February 2020 01:15 (two weeks ago) link

He’s fantastic in the Irishman I think

omar little, Friday, 14 February 2020 01:16 (two weeks ago) link

Six eps? It took them less time than that to catch the cunt

Looking forward to the second season.

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Friday, 14 February 2020 07:45 (two weeks ago) link

i think of what ive seen him in, his lost westerby begging control for a brief on the prague incident is the standout

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2020 09:41 (two weeks ago) link

role was amalgamated so graham may have been playing sam collins actually iirc

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2020 09:42 (two weeks ago) link

i guess i shd write up my irishman appreciation on the appropriate thread (tl;dr: it's good not bad) -- meanwhile my theory of scorsese and stephen graham is that he hired him to ensure pacino stays measured, knowing that if ap starts creeping into the "GREAT ASS!" reds marty can unleash an actualy louder and noisier yelling-machine that gets to maximum redface much quicker lol. this is how caring works comments are closed

i was watching irishman after the early eps of white house farm murders so the badness of the welsh accent slightly filtered over into my appreciation of tony pro as a plausible italian-american

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 10:37 (two weeks ago) link

I suppose he's ok in The Irishman, but it's Pacino who is the weak link in that otherwise class movie.

calzino, Friday, 14 February 2020 10:58 (two weeks ago) link

no hes good

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 10:59 (two weeks ago) link

*very quietly and quirkily* "great ass!"

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 11:00 (two weeks ago) link

Ray Winstone as English yelling-machine keeping Nicholson in check in The Departed?

Lack of English yelling-machine keeping Day Lewis in check in Gangs of New York one of many reasons that is bad not good

Ward Fowler, Friday, 14 February 2020 11:01 (two weeks ago) link

I think from 90's onward Pacino seems very overindulged and his acting is mostly bombastic, overrated, hammy .. he really gets on my tits!

calzino, Friday, 14 February 2020 11:03 (two weeks ago) link

hes on record as saying directors kept hiring him for the shouty, give em the shouty, if hes asked he can do it either way

hes great obv

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2020 11:25 (two weeks ago) link

i guess i shd write up my irishman appreciation on the appropriate thread (tl;d

iirc these were the negative reviews

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2020 11:26 (two weeks ago) link

tbf he is bad in Carlito's Way and it is a cornball movie but I still love it.

calzino, Friday, 14 February 2020 11:43 (two weeks ago) link

is he bad? i refuse to think about it in case you're right.

otm about cornball, otm about loving it

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 14 February 2020 11:51 (two weeks ago) link

good not bad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUBQ30BVqZI

wee jim o’conor (wins), Friday, 14 February 2020 13:03 (two weeks ago) link

actually that is pretty fucking good, sort of just how I imagined the Hoffa in American Tabloid

calzino, Friday, 14 February 2020 13:08 (two weeks ago) link

(De Niro weirdly resembling DiCaprio in that scene courtesy the anti-aging device)

mark s, Friday, 14 February 2020 13:19 (two weeks ago) link


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