Rolling Thread on Race 2020

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KV: So you graduated from Drury with a degree in History, you’re a history guy. If you could have dinner with three historical figures, living or dead, who would they be? And I’m ruling out football figures.

MB: This is probably not going to get a good review, but I’m going to say Adolf Hitler. It was obviously very sad and he had bad motives, but the way he was able to lead was second-to-none. How he rallied a group and a following, I want to know how he did that. Bad intentions of course, but you can’t deny he wasn’t a great leader.

Stealing this joke from elsewhere and paraphasing: I think this guy has misunderstood his job title

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:18 (six months ago) link


Οὖτις, Monday, 27 January 2020 20:20 (six months ago) link

I just realized from reading the comments that today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:22 (six months ago) link

this might not be the most sober or serious content for the race thread, but that quote reminds me: I used to live with a Mexican guy with an edgy sense of humor, and he liked to throw one-liners like "why do we always focus on the bad things Hitler did?" around. Some time later I was working as a treeplanter deep in northern BC, and when you're stuck with younger people doing manual labor for hours at a time in the hot sun you find yourself just aimlessly blabbing. So I unthinkingly used the line on a Quebecois co-worker who immediately replied with "I know, right?!" Not my best summer.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:24 (six months ago) link

Imagine being able to have dinner with Hitler and that that's what you ask him

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:25 (six months ago) link

Adolf, who are your guys?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:25 (six months ago) link

"I studied history, and-"
"Go study some more."

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:26 (six months ago) link

it's true, how come no one ever talks about how nice he was to Geli Raubal


Οὖτις, Monday, 27 January 2020 20:27 (six months ago) link

It's not just the US that's fucked

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:30 (six months ago) link

Hitler was a shitty leader imo

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:42 (six months ago) link

from the comments:

Coach Berger did not give a wrong answer. Hitler was a great leader. 100% wrong. But almost a whole country followed this lunatic. I find it intriguing Hitlers idea of The Great Race that so many were on the band wagon to join him. How can people now not wonder about that. Hitler was not a Guru or a Self proclaimed prophet just a guy with an idea. Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel.

A leader with an idea and everyone followed. That is the basic answer I think for Coach Berger answer

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:56 (six months ago) link

This is why the existence of "leadership" degrees and programs is a travesty.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:56 (six months ago) link

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

endless lols

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:59 (six months ago) link

just a guy with an idea

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:04 (six months ago) link

I guess Booker could have gotten that rule change if he'd been an old white billionaire

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:14 (six months ago) link

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

He did as best he could considering he only had one (the other was in the Albert Hall, I believe)

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:33 (six months ago) link

getting a bunch of people to do a thing = great leadership.

Other great leaders include Jim Jones, Charles Manson...

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:35 (six months ago) link

even if you're a morally reprehensible scumbag and worship at the altar of "leadership" like he made tons of dumbass decisions and left Germany in ruins! how hard is it for these dickheads

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 31 January 2020 23:48 (six months ago) link

Shot his dog and then shot himself, that's something to aspire to.

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 February 2020 00:05 (six months ago) link

got the order wrong even then

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 1 February 2020 00:08 (six months ago) link

Leadership through pervasive fear and brutal coercion has always been a favorite among aspiring leaders.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 1 February 2020 01:30 (six months ago) link

Then when you actually had the “beer summit,” did President Obama say anything helpful, or was that whole thing pro forma? Oh, that’s interesting. I was at Martha’s Vineyard, and I had been getting instructions from the White House, through Glenn Hutchins. They told me not to wear a bespoke suit. “We don’t want it to be about class.” All of the sudden I was the upper-class black person against the working class. I go, “I’m the victim!” They go, “No, don’t wear one of those suits.” I go: “These are the only suits I have. I’m not going out to Sears and Roebuck and buying a suit.” Then they go, “Do not fly down in a private plane.” Glenn Hutchins owns a private plane. Glenn’s a billionaire. He’s one of my best friends. The only way we could get to Washington was on Glenn’s plane, because there was fog. Anyway, we got to the White House, and we and Sgt. Crowley’s family all got to the library at the same time. I walked over to Sgt. Crowley. He had his kids there, and I said to them: “Hi, I’m Professor Gates. Hope you come to Harvard one day. Maybe you’ll take one of my classes.” Then I said to him, “Can I have a word with you?” He and I went off and did the beer summit ourselves. I said, “Look, I don’t know about you, man, but I just want this to go away.” He goes, “This is a nightmare.” I said to him: “The president has come under attack. Racism’s coming out of the floor. I’m sure you’re a decent person. I forgive you. Let’s move on.” He goes, “That would be the best thing that could happen.” I said, “Maybe we could find a way to lecture about it.” He laughed and said, “Anything I can do to get off the beat.” I realized he was funny. I think that gay people have a sense of who’s homophobic. I think that Jewish people have a sense of who’s anti-Semitic. I definitely think black people — I could walk out there and tell you, “That [ expletive ] is a racist.”

And you’re saying you didn’t get that vibe from Sgt. Crowley? I didn’t get that vibe from him. When we were called into the Oval Office, I said to the president, “Mr. President, we had a great conversation in the library.” He said, “Oh, it sounds like it’s all settled.” The actual beer summit was us doing small talk. And the reason Joe Biden was there is that the Cambridge police had insisted that because there were going to be two black guys at the table, they wanted two white guys at the table! They had sent somebody involved in the Cambridge police structure to be there. As we were walking out to the Rose Garden, somehow that guy got pushed to the side, and Joe Biden jumped in the line. That’s what nobody ever figured out: Why is Biden at the table? He was there to be the second white guy.

j., Monday, 3 February 2020 18:13 (six months ago) link

man I would LOVE to talk to Professor Gates about this whole shitshow

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:15 (six months ago) link

also biden

mark s, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:22 (six months ago) link

kinda not even kidding

mark s, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:22 (six months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Greyhound bus driver otm

Witnesses said a bus driver told an ICE agent to “gargle [his] balls” when the latter requested to enter the bus

— corpse (@thefurrow) February 22, 2020

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 February 2020 16:59 (five months ago) link

I feel like this tweet needs some love

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 February 2020 17:40 (five months ago) link

On Wednesday, Camille Gallo, the regional press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee, which works to elect Republicans to the House of Representatives, tweeted out that the NRCC was trolling McBath over Bloomberg's comments. To drive home that they believed her seat was bought and paid for, Gallo apparently sent McBath a "For Sale" sign with her name on it.

(Lucy McBath is a black Dem representative from GA whose son was murdered via gun violence)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:26 (five months ago) link

These people are scabrous

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:36 (five months ago) link

Classic projection. Where is the anti-2A funder that could POSSIBLY pay as much as the NRA already routinely does?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:52 (five months ago) link

that's Bloomberg tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:00 (five months ago) link

two months pass...

What’s so fucked about it, alongside everythingeverything else, is that there evidently needs to be minute-by-minute video of his assassination before there’s enough hackles raised to ... what? Eventually convene a grand jury?

rb (soda), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:06 (three months ago) link

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:09 (three months ago) link

the contrast between this innocent man getting chased down and murdered because he "fit a description" of a burglar to the armed racist storming state capitals with no repercussions is fucking insane.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:15 (three months ago) link

To me, this case speaks so baldly about the inequitable burdens of evidence required to achieve justice a racist system.

The injustice against Arbury, and the fact of innocence, is only made semi-credible when a (mostly white) audience has consumed videos of his violent and unprovoked murder. (Which, like, why?)

Meanwhile, the McMichaels father/son who hopped in a pickup truck to hunt him down during quarantine, wielding multiple weapons, weren't arrested due to an ostensible lack of probable cause, and are now entitled to a Grand Fucking Jury being convened to offer them all possible fairnesses.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:28 (three months ago) link

Oh, and the lead BBC, USA Today, and Fox articles on the case have JOSEPH BIDEN as the photo at the top of their story.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:30 (three months ago) link

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:09 AM (forty-six minutes ago)

they were; the atty general initially said it was a clear case of self-defense

dip to dup (rob), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:58 (three months ago) link

that's horrifying.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 19:39 (three months ago) link

fucking awful. RIP Ahmaud Arbery. and it's awful having no confidence that justice will be served.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 May 2020 02:58 (three months ago) link


The DA that charged this black woman for felony voter fraud and took her to trial TWICE is the same DA that chose NOT to arrest the McMichaels for murdering Ahmaud Arbery, despite seeing the video of his death.

— josie duffy rice (@jduffyrice) May 7, 2020

dip to dup (rob), Thursday, 7 May 2020 15:38 (three months ago) link

what an absolute piece of shit.

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:26 (three months ago) link

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:58 (three months ago) link

That's run by Shaun King, isn't it?

DJP, Thursday, 7 May 2020 19:19 (three months ago) link

A friend of mine wrote this on FB, which is one of the best things I've read this week. (He's not big on paragraph breaks, jsyk.) It's infuriating but it connects and illuminates a lot of things.

NEW: 40 People Were Arrested on Social Distancing Violations. 35 Were Black.
Scoop by @AshleyAtTimes

— Cliff Levy (@cliffordlevy) May 7, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 May 2020 23:13 (three months ago) link

It works when it's aggressive, i.e. 'I don't give a fuck about getting the expression right either', but it annoys me to no end when it's just 'I've never paid attention to the things that come out of my mouth when I'm speaking'.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:44 (one month ago) link

It's weird how "I couldn't care less," "irregardless" and "literally" are the three bugbears of popular prescriptivism when English has a million other illogical expressions (literally a million) and those three expressions aren't even used that often

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:48 (one month ago) link

I knew someone that thought the term was "minds a well" instead of "might as well", I'd like to see that adopted

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:49 (one month ago) link

I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:50 (one month ago) link

xp which reminds me of one of my favorite stories from the year i spent working as a stocker/register jockey at a rural salvation army
wherein my boss at the time left a note on an armoire informing me that "THESE ARE MY CHESTER DRAWERS"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:52 (one month ago) link

Roland Barthes: 'language is, quite simply, fascist . . . for fascism does not so much prevent someone from speaking as it forces them to speak.'

pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:54 (one month ago) link

"I’m a huge fan of the non-literal literally"

oh i bet

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 22:59 (one month ago) link

i could care less.... but fuck it

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 23:19 (one month ago) link

the one time Doxing would be justified and just

I'd say there's considerably more than this one instance

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 23:21 (one month ago) link

interesting post, pomenitul, but I think you're bugging the question.

zombeekeeper (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 23:27 (one month ago) link

I don't literally care, you know. It's all a language-game anyway.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 7 July 2020 23:29 (one month ago) link

"Can I use the restroom?"

my fav response to this is "i hope so"

methinks dababy doth bop shit too much (m bison), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 23:48 (one month ago) link

Can i use the restroom is the best song off of SSoaSS

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 00:26 (one month ago) link

proper response to "i hope so" is to piss on the speaker's shoes and say "your prayers are now answered"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 01:19 (one month ago) link

feel like this whole discussion would belong in a thread about words and phrases or something.

peace, man, Wednesday, 8 July 2020 11:53 (one month ago) link

yeah no kidding

time is running out to pitch in $5 (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 July 2020 15:42 (one month ago) link

I don't know what's happening in the US but it seems like every sports event in the UK has been 100% behind BLM, kneeling before matches, wearing Black Lives Matter on their shirts, the West Indies cricket team were even wearing single black gloves before the test match with England.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Saturday, 11 July 2020 16:25 (four weeks ago) link

MLS is the only sport back atm and they did a lengthy BLM presentation before first match

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 11 July 2020 16:27 (four weeks ago) link

Washington Hatcats to announce the retirement of their name tomorrow per WaPo

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 13 July 2020 04:24 (three weeks ago) link

Washington Hen Fap

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 04:34 (three weeks ago) link

Washington Swamp-Asses

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 13 July 2020 04:36 (three weeks ago) link

all it took was money

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 13 July 2020 05:05 (three weeks ago) link

it's gonna be the Washington Snyders and have his big grotesque face as the logo

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 July 2020 05:07 (three weeks ago) link

“What a terrible question to ask” — Donald Trump reacts to George Floyd’s killing by suggesting to CBS that systemic racism is a myth because more white people are killed by cops than blacks people (nevermind that a much higher percentage of black people are)

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 14, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:20 (three weeks ago) link

is this guy trump a racist, or what

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:46 (three weeks ago) link

let's give him some time and see if any more evidence builds up

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 21:46 (three weeks ago) link

yikes Nick Cannon

Nhex, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:19 (three weeks ago) link

i will never understand who listens to a podcast by nick cannon

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:52 (three weeks ago) link

what could he possibly talk about

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:52 (three weeks ago) link

He's probably got some good Mariah stories.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:23 (three weeks ago) link

ain't no podcast like a nick cannon podcast cause a nick cannon podcast doesn't apologize for blatant anti-semitism

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:24 (three weeks ago) link

He's probably got some good Mariah stories.

If Nick Cannon ever told any "good Mariah stories" he'd be found in multiple trash bags a week later.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:32 (three weeks ago) link

The latest big shockwave in the world of sports.

(For what it's worth, the Edmonton franchise is the Packers/Cowboys/Patriots of the CFL; that's where Warren Moon began, and my guess would be they've won far more championships--Grey Cups--than any other CFL team.)

clemenza, Friday, 17 July 2020 01:16 (three weeks ago) link

Brief swing back to Nancy Green, the original Aunt Jemima: the Times printed an obituary a century late

Green was buried in an unmarked grave in Oakwood Cemetery in Chicago. That same year, the United Daughters of the Confederacy nearly succeeded in erecting a monument to “faithful colored mammies.” Legislation was approved by the United States Senate, but did not make it past the House.


Green's great-great-great nephew, Marcus Hayes, is studying to become a pastor at Oakwood University in Alabama, which is affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Hayes said in a phone interview that Green had used her prominence to promote equality and would be disappointed that others had profited from her talent while her family received no recognition or compensation. “She would want the real story to be told of her and the ladies that came after her,” Hayes said. “Aunt Jemima is more than a character. She is Nancy Green, and this is her recipe, and her legacy must be told.”

Sherry Williams, the president of The Bronzeville Historical Society, which preserves African-American culture in Chicago, writes, “History does not simply disappear when you remove the Aunt Jemima image and brand name. Aunt Jemima is representative of the countless Black women who were and are the essential workers. Nancy Green in particular is the ideal woman to salute.”

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 19 July 2020 18:05 (three weeks ago) link

buT tHEY sHOUldN't hAve Been "PRotEsTing" iN A PrIVATe neigHbOrHOOd

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 21 July 2020 13:37 (two weeks ago) link

Hahaha that was glorious

shout-out to his family (DJP), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 14:27 (one week ago) link

smug to shocked to amused to angry to ashamed, what a buffet

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 17:24 (one week ago) link

Newly available to the public for streaming:

In the spring of 1968, the nation was reeling from protests in hundreds of cities in response to the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., racial inequality and school segregation, and the Vietnam War. Media reports on these issues came from white-dominated network news programs.
It was at this crucial moment that New York City’s National Educational Television (NET), the precursor to WNET and the PBS network, launched the public television series Black Journal, produced by Black talents. Premiering on June 12, 1968, the first episode included the recently widowed Coretta Scott King speaking that very day at Harvard University, a progress report on Dr. Martin Luther King’s Poor People’s Campaign, and a study of the African American political reaction to Robert Kennedy’s assassination, which had occurred that week.

Black Journal’s broadcasts spanned 1968 to 1977 and 59 episodes from the series are available to stream for the first time, thanks to The WNET Group’s participation in The American Archive of Public Broadcasting.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 02:42 (one week ago) link

excellent, thank you

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 02:43 (one week ago) link

stfu honky incarcerator

The moment that we're living through is more Kwame Ture than John Lewis. Clinton's remark isn't just historical commentary, but a plea to quell the insurgent Black radicalism we're seeing today. If Bill Clinton approves of your goals and methods, you're not going hard enough

— abolicious (@telushk) July 30, 2020

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 30 July 2020 19:45 (one week ago) link

Fuck youuuu Bill

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 July 2020 22:24 (one week ago) link

Danny Rose interview on Second Captains

anvil, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:43 (six days ago) link

I thought this was an interesting article that also highlights the devolution of the Republican Party as much as it highlights the evolution of Elizabeth Warren:

shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 3 August 2020 14:40 (six days ago) link

that is an interesting article, thank you for sharing it djp

it's definitely good to hear about warren's journey. it makes me think of what i've read of bobby kennedy's journey in the '60s.

and honestly, a lot of it resonates with my own experience. i'm always cautious about how much to center my own experience in any conversation about race, as much as i know that white people need to openly talk about their own prejudices, so i'll just leave it at that for now.

Kate (rushomancy), Monday, 3 August 2020 15:02 (six days ago) link

Gun store sends purchase info and cam footage of black customers to state police.

pplains, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:43 (three days ago) link

Filed under "jesus fucking christ" and "totally unsurprising". Hope those dudes file a lawsuit and end up owning that gun store.

peace, man, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:56 (three days ago) link

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