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Let's start this thread right: http://lanthorn.com/73049/sports/inside-the-mind-of-gvsus-newest-offensive-coordinator/

KV: So you graduated from Drury with a degree in History, you’re a history guy. If you could have dinner with three historical figures, living or dead, who would they be? And I’m ruling out football figures.

MB: This is probably not going to get a good review, but I’m going to say Adolf Hitler. It was obviously very sad and he had bad motives, but the way he was able to lead was second-to-none. How he rallied a group and a following, I want to know how he did that. Bad intentions of course, but you can’t deny he wasn’t a great leader.

Stealing this joke from elsewhere and paraphasing: I think this guy has misunderstood his job title

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:18 (four months ago) link

lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 January 2020 20:20 (four months ago) link

I just realized from reading the comments that today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:22 (four months ago) link

this might not be the most sober or serious content for the race thread, but that quote reminds me: I used to live with a Mexican guy with an edgy sense of humor, and he liked to throw one-liners like "why do we always focus on the bad things Hitler did?" around. Some time later I was working as a treeplanter deep in northern BC, and when you're stuck with younger people doing manual labor for hours at a time in the hot sun you find yourself just aimlessly blabbing. So I unthinkingly used the line on a Quebecois co-worker who immediately replied with "I know, right?!" Not my best summer.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:24 (four months ago) link

Imagine being able to have dinner with Hitler and that that's what you ask him

The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:25 (four months ago) link

Adolf, who are your guys?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:25 (four months ago) link

"I studied history, and-"
"Go study some more."

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:26 (four months ago) link

it's true, how come no one ever talks about how nice he was to Geli Raubal

xps

Οὖτις, Monday, 27 January 2020 20:27 (four months ago) link

It's not just the US that's fucked

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:30 (three months ago) link

Hitler was a shitty leader imo

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:42 (three months ago) link

from the comments:

Coach Berger did not give a wrong answer. Hitler was a great leader. 100% wrong. But almost a whole country followed this lunatic. I find it intriguing Hitlers idea of The Great Race that so many were on the band wagon to join him. How can people now not wonder about that. Hitler was not a Guru or a Self proclaimed prophet just a guy with an idea. Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel.

A leader with an idea and everyone followed. That is the basic answer I think for Coach Berger answer

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:56 (three months ago) link

This is why the existence of "leadership" degrees and programs is a travesty.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:56 (three months ago) link

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

endless lols

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2020 20:59 (three months ago) link

just a guy with an idea

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:04 (three months ago) link

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-31/sanders-rivals-biden-for-top-spot-nationally-campaign-update

I guess Booker could have gotten that rule change if he'd been an old white billionaire

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:14 (three months ago) link

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

He did as best he could considering he only had one (the other was in the Albert Hall, I believe)

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:33 (three months ago) link

getting a bunch of people to do a thing = great leadership.

Other great leaders include Jim Jones, Charles Manson...

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 31 January 2020 21:35 (three months ago) link

even if you're a morally reprehensible scumbag and worship at the altar of "leadership" like he made tons of dumbass decisions and left Germany in ruins! how hard is it for these dickheads

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 31 January 2020 23:48 (three months ago) link

Shot his dog and then shot himself, that's something to aspire to.

(includes digression on farting) (Tom D.), Saturday, 1 February 2020 00:05 (three months ago) link

got the order wrong even then

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 1 February 2020 00:08 (three months ago) link

Leadership through pervasive fear and brutal coercion has always been a favorite among aspiring leaders.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 1 February 2020 01:30 (three months ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/03/magazine/henry-louis-gates-jr-interview.html

Then when you actually had the “beer summit,” did President Obama say anything helpful, or was that whole thing pro forma? Oh, that’s interesting. I was at Martha’s Vineyard, and I had been getting instructions from the White House, through Glenn Hutchins. They told me not to wear a bespoke suit. “We don’t want it to be about class.” All of the sudden I was the upper-class black person against the working class. I go, “I’m the victim!” They go, “No, don’t wear one of those suits.” I go: “These are the only suits I have. I’m not going out to Sears and Roebuck and buying a suit.” Then they go, “Do not fly down in a private plane.” Glenn Hutchins owns a private plane. Glenn’s a billionaire. He’s one of my best friends. The only way we could get to Washington was on Glenn’s plane, because there was fog. Anyway, we got to the White House, and we and Sgt. Crowley’s family all got to the library at the same time. I walked over to Sgt. Crowley. He had his kids there, and I said to them: “Hi, I’m Professor Gates. Hope you come to Harvard one day. Maybe you’ll take one of my classes.” Then I said to him, “Can I have a word with you?” He and I went off and did the beer summit ourselves. I said, “Look, I don’t know about you, man, but I just want this to go away.” He goes, “This is a nightmare.” I said to him: “The president has come under attack. Racism’s coming out of the floor. I’m sure you’re a decent person. I forgive you. Let’s move on.” He goes, “That would be the best thing that could happen.” I said, “Maybe we could find a way to lecture about it.” He laughed and said, “Anything I can do to get off the beat.” I realized he was funny. I think that gay people have a sense of who’s homophobic. I think that Jewish people have a sense of who’s anti-Semitic. I definitely think black people — I could walk out there and tell you, “That [ expletive ] is a racist.”

And you’re saying you didn’t get that vibe from Sgt. Crowley? I didn’t get that vibe from him. When we were called into the Oval Office, I said to the president, “Mr. President, we had a great conversation in the library.” He said, “Oh, it sounds like it’s all settled.” The actual beer summit was us doing small talk. And the reason Joe Biden was there is that the Cambridge police had insisted that because there were going to be two black guys at the table, they wanted two white guys at the table! They had sent somebody involved in the Cambridge police structure to be there. As we were walking out to the Rose Garden, somehow that guy got pushed to the side, and Joe Biden jumped in the line. That’s what nobody ever figured out: Why is Biden at the table? He was there to be the second white guy.

j., Monday, 3 February 2020 18:13 (three months ago) link

man I would LOVE to talk to Professor Gates about this whole shitshow

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, 3 February 2020 18:15 (three months ago) link

also biden

mark s, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:22 (three months ago) link

kinda not even kidding

mark s, Monday, 3 February 2020 18:22 (three months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Greyhound bus driver otm

Witnesses said a bus driver told an ICE agent to “gargle [his] balls” when the latter requested to enter the bus https://t.co/N1QnEuBLXk

— corpse (@thefurrow) February 22, 2020

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 February 2020 16:59 (three months ago) link

I feel like this tweet needs some love

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 February 2020 17:40 (three months ago) link

On Wednesday, Camille Gallo, the regional press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee, which works to elect Republicans to the House of Representatives, tweeted out that the NRCC was trolling McBath over Bloomberg's comments. To drive home that they believed her seat was bought and paid for, Gallo apparently sent McBath a "For Sale" sign with her name on it.

(Lucy McBath is a black Dem representative from GA whose son was murdered via gun violence)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:26 (three months ago) link

These people are scabrous

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:36 (three months ago) link

Classic projection. Where is the anti-2A funder that could POSSIBLY pay as much as the NRA already routinely does?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Thursday, 27 February 2020 17:52 (three months ago) link

that's Bloomberg tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:00 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

What’s so fucked about it, alongside everythingeverything else, is that there evidently needs to be minute-by-minute video of his assassination before there’s enough hackles raised to ... what? Eventually convene a grand jury?

rb (soda), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:06 (three weeks ago) link

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:09 (three weeks ago) link

the contrast between this innocent man getting chased down and murdered because he "fit a description" of a burglar to the armed racist storming state capitals with no repercussions is fucking insane.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:15 (three weeks ago) link

To me, this case speaks so baldly about the inequitable burdens of evidence required to achieve justice a racist system.

The injustice against Arbury, and the fact of innocence, is only made semi-credible when a (mostly white) audience has consumed videos of his violent and unprovoked murder. (Which, like, why?)

Meanwhile, the McMichaels father/son who hopped in a pickup truck to hunt him down during quarantine, wielding multiple weapons, weren't arrested due to an ostensible lack of probable cause, and are now entitled to a Grand Fucking Jury being convened to offer them all possible fairnesses.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:28 (three weeks ago) link

Oh, and the lead BBC, USA Today, and Fox articles on the case have JOSEPH BIDEN as the photo at the top of their story.

rb (soda), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:30 (three weeks ago) link

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:09 AM (forty-six minutes ago)

they were; the atty general initially said it was a clear case of self-defense

dip to dup (rob), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:58 (three weeks ago) link

that's horrifying.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 19:39 (three weeks ago) link

fucking awful. RIP Ahmaud Arbery. and it's awful having no confidence that justice will be served.

let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Thursday, 7 May 2020 02:58 (two weeks ago) link

infuriating:

The DA that charged this black woman for felony voter fraud and took her to trial TWICE is the same DA that chose NOT to arrest the McMichaels for murdering Ahmaud Arbery, despite seeing the video of his death. https://t.co/2cor4ezvEJ

— josie duffy rice (@jduffyrice) May 7, 2020

dip to dup (rob), Thursday, 7 May 2020 15:38 (two weeks ago) link

what an absolute piece of shit.

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 May 2020 16:26 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.runwithmaud.com

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 7 May 2020 18:58 (two weeks ago) link

That's run by Shaun King, isn't it?

DJP, Thursday, 7 May 2020 19:19 (two weeks ago) link

A friend of mine wrote this on FB, which is one of the best things I've read this week. (He's not big on paragraph breaks, jsyk.) It's infuriating but it connects and illuminates a lot of things.

https://www.facebook.com/muziqkal/posts/10108399157812305

NEW: 40 People Were Arrested on Social Distancing Violations. 35 Were Black.https://t.co/U7J9X1RNLr
Scoop by @AshleyAtTimes

— Cliff Levy (@cliffordlevy) May 7, 2020

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 May 2020 23:13 (two weeks ago) link

charging the boyfriend for attempted murder of the cop is extra fucked.

genital giant (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 23:38 (two weeks ago) link

that's very confusing. so the guy who shot the video is also now an accomplice to the murder?

Nhex, Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:51 (six days ago) link

yeah, because he appeared to be aware of the pursuit from the beginning (since he was able to join the pursuit at a moment's notice, and was filming from the very beginning), and he purposefully recorded it to absolve his friends (the McMichaels) of the murder, cos he inexplicably thought it would.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:52 (six days ago) link

he's as big a piece of garbage as they are.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Thursday, 21 May 2020 23:52 (six days ago) link

jesus.

Nhex, Friday, 22 May 2020 00:38 (five days ago) link

quite a day for amy cooper

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 04:14 (yesterday) link

Amy Cooper told NBC New York she overreacted during the incident, but said she felt threatened and did not know what was in the dog treats.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 04:41 (yesterday) link

this, linked off one of the many tweets on the incident in question, bears a read:
https://sociology.yale.edu/sites/default/files/pages_from_sre-11_rev5_printer_files.pdf

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 04:46 (yesterday) link

fuck Amy Cooper and I hope she loses her job and goes to jail over this.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 05:19 (yesterday) link

(but of course the latter won't happen)

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 05:19 (yesterday) link

2020, where a white person can consciously and confidently weaponize the racial politics of "I felt threatened" while *knowing they are being recorded* and know the worst that will happen is they're given a 10 day timeout from their job and a scolding from the cops.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 05:24 (yesterday) link

her apology is much better than many. i don't see a single 'if'

'I sincerely and humbly apologize to everyone, especially to that man, his family.

'It was unacceptable and I humbly and fully apologize to everyone who's seen that video, everyone that's been offended…everyone who thinks of me in a lower light and I understand why they do.

'When I think about the police, I'm such a blessed person. I've come to realize especially today that I think of [the police] as a protection agency, and unfortunately, this has caused me to realize that there are so many people in this country that don't have that luxury.'

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 08:20 (yesterday) link

It's horrible that without thinking she just knows how much of a threat it is to him to say she'll call the cops and mention his race. Not "I'm calling the cops" but "I'm calling the cops and telling them you're a black man and we both know how that story might end for you"

BRAVE THE AFRIAD (onimo), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 12:02 (yesterday) link

In reading about this, I found a white-presenting Twitter socialist proudly and triumphantly telling a right-wing troll that she found Never Trumpers more reprehensible than pro-Trumpers, which I think tells you almost everything you need to know about race in 2020

(so serious) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 12:24 (yesterday) link

Also, the number of white people saying "and did you see how she treated that dog? man I hope the dog is okay, I'm really concerned about it"

(so serious) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 13:51 (yesterday) link

I've been seeing some bulltshit spin this morning that essentially boils down to "she was a woman alone in Central Park, of course she would feel threatened".

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:05 (yesterday) link

I'm having trouble taking her apology seriously. Any VEEP at a major firm like she is is trained at work in the art of writing apologies, right down to what phrasing to use, what to exclude/include. The fact that her apology seemed more genuine is likely due to her years of experience crafting apology letters to clients.

But to acknowledge you are intentionally weaponizing your white privilege in an attempt to blackmail the other party into doing what you say...all while YOU KNOW YOU'RE BEING filmed...is not only racist af, but it's basically a death threat.

She purposefully included "African American" in the descriptor she claimed she would use on the 911 call, knowing the other party would interpret that as the possibility he'd be shot by police.

She's sorry cos she doesn't want to lose her cushy job or be "@"ed on Twitter

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:24 (yesterday) link

it would be cool if there was a reasonable expectation she'd actually be charged with false reporting, which last I checked is a crime, so people would feel less compelled to crowdsource some strange form of justice online

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:26 (yesterday) link

As I told a friend last night, people won't stop weaponizing 911 until they actually are hit with a major penalty for doing so.

True, a Veep who doesn't want her career destroyed might take pause before doing it again, but the average person who does this doesn't have a great job (or a job at all), or might be self-employed. Not gonna deter people like them.

Jail time might not phase some, but the average person we've seen do this doesn't seem like they could last 5 minutes in a cell.

Really wish she'd serve time. Even a weekend in jail

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:29 (yesterday) link

Totally agree with all that, I was just struck by the disconnect in the reprehensible behavior that was filmed and the self-awareness and consideration her apology seems to demonstrate. Not that her apology does much good to anybody but herself at this point

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:33 (yesterday) link

so She was strangling the dog.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:40 (yesterday) link

Autocorrect, damnit! xp not so.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 14:41 (yesterday) link

"I'm not a racist. I did not mean to harm that man in any way," she said, adding that she also didn't mean any harm to the African American community.

fuck this person

wasdnous (abanana), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 16:10 (yesterday) link

franklin templeton has canned her

no doubt tucker c. is booking her right now

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 18:40 (yesterday) link

what good would tucker get from her? she already admitted to being in the wrong. this story is too straight-forward imo to make good culture war kindling

Mordy, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 18:44 (yesterday) link

Don't underestimate the ability of Fox to turn her into the real victim here.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 18:48 (yesterday) link

Just had a split-second flashback to the MAGA-hatted teen smirking at a Native American activist near the Lincoln Memorial back in January 2019, i.e. several galactic eons ago. The intensity of the outrage is directly proportional to the depth of the oblivion into which it evaporates, almost immediately.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 18:57 (yesterday) link

four mpls cops fired

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:18 (yesterday) link

that's good but i hope there is further accountability

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:19 (yesterday) link

what good would tucker get from her? she already admitted to being in the wrong. this story is too straight-forward imo to make good culture war kindling

― Mordy, Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:44 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

unfortunately you are already starting to see the jackasses come out with "he was carrying those dog treats, clearly he is looking for confrontation" as if a) that makes any sense whatsoever b) that has any bearing on anything at all

like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:41 (yesterday) link

they'll find out the bird-watching man got a parking ticket in 1982

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:44 (yesterday) link

it's so cut and dried the nazis on 4chan have resorted to speculating that cooper is jewish

Mordy, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:45 (yesterday) link

glad those cops were fired but this is straight up murder

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:49 (yesterday) link

four mpls cops fired at, with guns

fixed it

(tbc I don't actually want anyone dead but it is horrible that firings are all that ever seem to come of these things, when we're "lucky")

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 19:55 (yesterday) link

unfortunately you are already starting to see the jackasses come out with "he was carrying those dog treats, clearly he is looking for confrontation" as if a) that makes any sense whatsoever b) that has any bearing on anything at all

dude said "When I try to give unleashed dogs a treat, their owners leash them, which is what I wanted in the first place" which is 100% genius behavior-hacking

(so serious) (DJP), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 20:21 (yesterday) link

fucked up story of course, but I also found that bit inspiring

dip to dup (rob), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 20:26 (yesterday) link

it's a smart response honestly

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 20:28 (yesterday) link

this guy has made birdwatching cool again, and thus deserves to be Time's person of the year

imago, Tuesday, 26 May 2020 23:26 (yesterday) link

glad those cops were fired but this is straight up murder

― frogbs, Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:49 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm hoping this will make any ensuing FBI investigation and charges easier, as they will no longer have the police union's protection.

Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 26 May 2020 23:34 (yesterday) link

I rarely (never?) post on this thread, so I don't know if this would be considered frivolous.

http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/entertainment/jimmy-fallon-apology/index.html

clemenza, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 11:51 (four hours ago) link

if you're wondering why "make whites great again" is trending on twitter,

Here is Derek Chauvin, the racist cop who kept his knee on #GeorgeFloyd’s neck, cut off his air passage and murdered him, wearing a “Make Whites Great Again” hat, a clear sign that this piece of excrement should’ve been taken off the streets a long time ago.#JusticeForFloyd pic.twitter.com/KxGxHAIzlH

— Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) May 27, 2020

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:08 (fifty-eight minutes ago) link

Just had a split-second flashback to the MAGA-hatted teen smirking at a Native American activist near the Lincoln Memorial back in January 2019, i.e. several galactic eons ago

If you remember correctly, the commentariat decided it was OK for him to be up in the face of an old guy because elsewhere on the National Mall and the Black Hebrews had yelled at him several minutes earlier

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:15 (fifty minutes ago) link

apparently that's not actually him. seem to be some pics of him front & center at a Trump rally though

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:17 (forty-nine minutes ago) link

I rarely (never?) post on this thread, so I don't know if this would be considered frivolous.
http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/entertainment/jimmy-fallon-apology/index.html

fwiw Fallon (who I assume was a 1st year cast member at the time?) probably isn't the person to be upset at for this, a bunch of writers & Lorne Michaels had to sign off on that

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:19 (forty-seven minutes ago) link

If you remember correctly, the commentariat decided it was OK for him to be up in the face of an old guy because elsewhere on the National Mall and the Black Hebrews had yelled at him several minutes earlier.

iirc the old guy came up to the kid and the internet libs went crazy about a minor making a face that reminded them of bullies in high school. that incident imo was shameful + has v little to do with cooper or the minneapolis killing which were serious crimes and not the fever dreams of angry twitterers.

Mordy, Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:25 (forty-one minutes ago) link

that's... one reading of it

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:28 (thirty-eight minutes ago) link

maybe none of us rc

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 27 May 2020 15:44 (twenty-one minutes ago) link


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