Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

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the actual biggest problem with the green new deal is the same biggest problem that faces anyone trying to do anything about climate change: human beings are not good at evaluating risk when they perceive it as a future concern (especially politicians hesitant to introduce costly programs that likely won't see results until well beyond the next election cycle). when those risks begin turning into tragedies, and when the scale of the problem is so enormous,
the inclination is to turn to the most prominent and powerful protectors and actors: the government and corporations, who effectively control ($$) and operate (as contractors) our government. i strongly believe that the "solution" they'll both turn to will be geoengineering. it's a fate both foreseeable and very sad.

so in short: the GOP and fossil fuel industry will lie and cheat no matter what. be aware of them, but don't formulate a campaign in an attempt to appease them. it is impossible. the most important battle will be trying to drag corporations and the government away from the technocratic allure of geoengineering. in a vacuum, which sounds more appealing to a politician: a society-altering program to remake the energy, transportation, and manufacturing sectors at great cost, or investing some more money in tech so that eventually some company can try to "solve It" at a later date? that's the real enemy

xp adam: KKK Duke is from East Baton Rouge, 70 miles away. I'm presently renting a 2 Br in a well off white-flight suburb but one with 3 synagogues within a mile, near enough to be of aid to my 76 yr old father. The precinct is purple, but its in a red congressional district.

It works well as a context-free slogan, but in that case your candidate should treat it as one, as Nixon did with "Law and Order" (which was one of the best slogans for its time and target audience ever delivered in my lifetime - however much I detested it).

xp KM’s take is so otm strategically imo- you won’t change them and half or more will become strong marketers developers promoters of the geoengineering they will claim is DESPERATELY NEEDED AND ESSENTIAL AND TOTALLY SAFE.

From my standpoint, stratospheric sulfate geoengineering is cheap compared to decarbonization, and has modest short term harms (though its just a plaster over a festering wound). The oceans still die from adidification, and here's the huge risk of discontinuation shock (stop injecting sulfates for any reason, and global climate reverts to the flying off the cliff state within 5-10 years).

There will be a 10-year run up to any effective geoengineering approach, and the fossil/right wing are so invested in denial that it won't get seriously engineered or started in earnest until the 2050s-60s. By then the developed world will face the frequent crop failures and hunger that afflicted the developing world in the prior decades, and most fossil fuels will be in natural decline (with a lot of unmined coal on the sidelines). People will gladly vote for it when they're worried about their children starving.

i strongly believe that the "solution" they'll both turn to will be geoengineering. it's a fate both foreseeable and very sad.

i give it no play at all but when i do environmental ethics and my students get to bits on geoengineering they are quite eager about its prospects, by their usual indifferent standards. especially any of the ones with scientific or technical background

sanpaku david duke went to the louisiana state house from district 81 which at that point included east jeff parish. a seat held subsequently by david vitter and steve scalise lol. either way it was a shitty dig and i apologize

Morbs, did you check the date on that link?

yes, I saw it, I assume Frank believes the same today bcz he's a badass POS

Ah! Politician retired years ago, said some things in spring 2019.

and Fox News (and the Koch Brothers network) will fight it to the death with disinformation and confusion no matter how clearly it's defined.

A read through references to the press in the climate change thread this month should provide a handy preview for the US.

On the Media also did a round-up of the Murdoch papers' malfeasance in Australia

xp -- didn't eichenwald claim there were extremely damning binders full of oppo on bernie that somehow have not materialized yet, despite damaging (if not yet damning) opposition research materializing at this point in the primary on his opponents

purely as a theoretical matter, there could conceivably be something damning in the past of almost anyone who's lived over seven decades, but speculating on its existence or what it might be is no more significant than playing a parlor game rn. besides, "extremely damning" is in the eye of the beholder, as witnessed by Access Hollywood and Stormy Daniels.

“Bernie stole cable” was my favorite piece of 2016 oppo.

I'm sure there were ppl who thought that video of him singing in a Russian sauna would be his undoing

There was also something about trying to dump Vermont’s toxic waste in a Hispanic neighborhood in Texas

that actually happened, though, I saw it, he was wearing an Uncle Sam hat

OH COME ON pic.twitter.com/Atpex8vyUK

— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) January 27, 2020

you love to see it

come on!

the FIELD?

you know the field of basketball

I feel him. Pretending to care about sports can be a lot of work.

the classic act we all know and love of dribbling a basketball on grass

which goper gaffed on hoops reference several years ago? Cruz?

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/27/ted-cruz-indiana-republican-primary-basketball-ring

the FIELD?

― El Tomboto, Sunday, January 26, 2020 10:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Reminded me of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNx_gU57gQ4

The dumb thing is that he could have just said "I'm not a big sports guy; I know Kobe's name but I can't even tell you what sport he played. He meant a lot to so many, his life impacted mine and I don't know a football from a soccer ball" and everyone would have been like "finally, you are not being a robot"

but he would have deprived us this classic "sportsball" goof 'em up. you love to see it.

I keep imagining Cruz watching this on TV and yelling "TELL THEM ABOUT THE RINGS" in his living room

"Admittedly, my confusion may arise from the fact that in a number of languages I speak and even in English dialects outside North America, a football IS a soccer ball." 2xp

Every time I see Buttigieg for a second I think he's Jimmy Fallon

I just had a vision of Buttigieg Slow Jamming the News and cranked up the meter a little on my ambient desire for death

lol whomst amongst us

So there was a NYT article about online bullying by Bernie supporters, and I keep thinking about this tweet I saw in response:

"The thing I don't understand is why would we want to go up against Trump with someone who doesn't have an online army?"

A perfect example of how fan culture has invaded politics, as Amanda Hess has written.

The Bruenig tweet they were responding to also provides some examples of the grossness/nastiness of supporters and opponents of all kinds of candidates.

not sure where to put this but jesus christ

The members of the team around Bernie Sanders "are about to experience what happens when a militia faces off in on an open field against a ruthless modern army armed with cluster bombs and napalm," warns @DavidFrum. "They will be shredded and torched." https://t.co/jNEfppdtrk

— The Atlantic (@TheAtlantic) January 27, 2020

Kinda like the embattled farmers in Concord. And you all remember how that went.

willing to bet an atlantic editor had to roll their eyes and remove at least two "literally"s from the copy

the atlantic fucking sucks and harbors transphobes

A ragtag militia of copyeditors facing a well-equipped modern army of highly skilled metaphors

metaphors be with you

there's been a whole ream of "bernie is destined to lose" pieces published today and yesterday, not sure why, weird coincidence

david fucking frum

expert on modern military conditions, such as a militia facing off in on an open field against a ruthless modern army. he sounds exactly like every american dipshit who thought the last half dozen wars would be easy

one of the worst canadians

frum is canadian?

i expect this nonsense from americans, but canadians should really know better imo

born in toronto, dual citizen I think

In 1980, Sanders joined a left-wing party whose presidential candidate condemned “anti-Iranian hysteria around the U.S. hostages” being held at the U.S. embassy in Tehran, suggesting “that many of them are simply spies … or people assigned to protect the spies,” as Ronald Radosh reported in The Daily Beast. Imagine what Trump and his team will do with that.

Yay. A new Jeremiah Wright

The Mornine Joe hens clucked this morning about Bloomberg replacing Biden as The Moderate Choice should the latter fade in Iowa and New Hampshire. I thought, "Michael who?"

Son of a famous Canadian journalist and brother of a Canadian Senator, lived in Canada until university, moved back as an adult and edited a major Canadian literary magazine, still a foreign national when he was appointed to the White House. We send our best, ugh.xps

there's been a whole ream of "bernie is destined to lose" pieces published today and yesterday, not sure why, weird coincidence

pundits run in herds

Hold up. A US embassy has spies in it?