star wars 9 spoilers and postmortem shit talk

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Have at it.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 14:55 (one month ago) link

tell me there’s a snoke origin story

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 14:56 (one month ago) link

where there's snoke there's ire

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 14:56 (one month ago) link

Say whatever else you will, but Jar Jar leading an Ewok army in the battle against Emperor Palpatine was certainly unexpected.

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 14:57 (one month ago) link

i have no skin in this game anymore but i've seen the leaks / early impressions and lol

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:23 (one month ago) link

i guess its at least interesting to make a trilogy-by-telephone where each film ignores the previous one as much as it can get away with

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:24 (one month ago) link

Sam Adams' review feels more appropriate for this thread than the other one

The Rise of Skywalker gives people what they go to Star Wars for, but that’s all it does—and worse, all it sets out to do. It’s frenzied, briefly infuriating, and eventually, grudgingly, satisfying, but it’s like being force-fed fandom: Your belly is filled, but there’s no pleasure in the meal. The movie feels like it’s part of the post–Last Jedi retrenchment, when Disney jerked the leash on Solo and killed plans for future spinoffs by insisting that filmmakers stick to the established playbook. It’s of a piece with the pointedly unambitious The Mandalorian, just good enough to get people’s attention but fundamentally terrified of rocking the boat. Rather than making a movie some people might love, Abrams tried to make a movie no one would hate, and as a result, you don’t feel much of anything at all.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-review.html

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:26 (one month ago) link

I think my relatively 'meh' position re: the new slate of sequels is starting to become clearer. They're just not that weird or idiosyncratic or personal. Say what you will about the prequels, for instance, but that shit oozes Lucas. The only truly odd moment that jumps out from the recent films is Luke blue-milking a giant teat. But even like ROTJ, which is one of my least faves...the Sarlaac! Jabba! The Max Rebo Band! Weirdness that feels legit and lived-in and which resonates decades after it dropped. So many of the new elements in the Disney films feels comparatively uninspired, like they set a bunch of fresh-faced interns to the task of adding on to the world. I don't remember really any of the new creatures, none of the characters really resonate with me as characters, even the carry-overs from the old films kinda just feel like they're going through the motions, mostly. Johnson injected a little bit of personality into the enterprise but not as much as people seem to think. There just isn't a lot here that people are going to remember fondly through the years.

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:36 (one month ago) link

Eh, should've gone in the other thread, but it'll probably maintain its relevance once I've seen this thing.

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:38 (one month ago) link

i'm guessing this thing will only make me more impressed with the last jedi

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:39 (one month ago) link

this feels like a good place for general bitching, let's let people possibly enjoy things in the other thread imo

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:40 (one month ago) link

TLJ isn't great, but its healthy disinterest in the past -- by using totems from past movies -- was refreshing.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:41 (one month ago) link

what particularly upsets me is that a lot of the things that small contingent of shitheads complained about re: the last jedi are present in the empire strikes back

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:43 (one month ago) link

It's almost like Johnson did that on purpose!

icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:46 (one month ago) link

That is, made TLJ explicitly similar to ESB in terms of theme and structure. He managed to make a movie that was both forward looking and thematically consonant with the "saga" and people shat on it.

icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:47 (one month ago) link

yep!!!!

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:48 (one month ago) link

I think ppl overstate the "forward looking" aspect but it's def a better movie than TFA

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:49 (one month ago) link

Fan culture is a disease. Anyway I'll keep away from this thread until I've actually seen the thing

icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:49 (one month ago) link

lol the Slate comments wonder WHY WHY COULDN'T A FAN HAVE REVIEWED IT

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:52 (one month ago) link

I love fan logic. I review the Stones once and gave them a mixed review, and someone wrote in to say "I've seen the Stones live over 50 times, if they weren't always great, then why would I pay to see them so many times?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 15:55 (one month ago) link

In the AV Club review:

(A franchise long haunted by the ghosts of the past, Star Wars now involves both dead characters played by living actors and living characters played by dead actors.)

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:04 (one month ago) link

Was it absolutely necessary to dig up Mayhew and stuff him back into the Chewie costume?

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:13 (one month ago) link

I heard it's just some random stunt guy with Warwick Davis on his shoulders.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:20 (one month ago) link

I wonder if they'd have done this one the same way if McDiarmid had kicked it

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:46 (one month ago) link

ask the Ghosts of Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:50 (one month ago) link

exhuming someone to act as your Ultimate Baddie feels....different, somehow. But yeah you're probably right.

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 16:52 (one month ago) link

someone post spoilers. I'm unlikely to see this for several years, but want to know what happens

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:41 (one month ago) link

you can search for "star wars spoilers reddit", that's how I found 'em. ppl might not like just having them on here already in case they click on the wrong thread and find out Kylo Ren gets force-crucified by the ghost of Mace Windu

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:43 (one month ago) link

*SPOILER* Rey is half-Gungan

icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:44 (one month ago) link

xp. thanks, I'm lazy

LOBOT becomes the new emperor, wild choice

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:44 (one month ago) link

OK, re-resolving to leave this thread alone

icy bike chain rain (zchyrs), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:44 (one month ago) link

The really sad is I read these idiotic invented spoilers, and I'm guessing they're also references to last season of GoT?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:48 (one month ago) link

Kylo Ren gets force-crucified by the ghost of Mace Windu

― Simon H., Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:43 AM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

put this vision on the big screen disney cowards

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:57 (one month ago) link

jedi instrumentality project when!!

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 December 2019 17:58 (one month ago) link

As I said on the Grim Resignation thread I enjoyed this big, bloated finale. Felt the most like an old non-prequel Star Wars film to me out of the new three: weird races, weird places, silly names and epic Tolkein-y nonsense.
I'm cool with Chewie, 3PO and the remaining old characters given stuff to do as well.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:01 (one month ago) link

sounds like there's plenty of palpy, which is good imo

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:02 (one month ago) link

I doubt I'll be watching this. Anyone cool die?

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:37 (one month ago) link

Lots of Pallpy. Even more stuff that never gets explained which is hilarous.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:38 (one month ago) link

I doubt I'll be watching this. Anyone cool die?

― ☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, December 18, 2019 10:37 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

OBLIQUE BUT MAJOR SPOILER AHEAD

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the spoilers i read indicate that a major character (originating in this sequel trilogy) does die

#FBPIRA (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:43 (one month ago) link

snoke dies again

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 18:44 (one month ago) link

poopy palpy

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:11 (one month ago) link

So weird that they brought the Emperor back as a teenaged, incessantly-rapping version of himself called Palpy T. Even weirder how well it works!

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:21 (one month ago) link

Wellllll
My name is Palpy T and I'm here to say
I'll drop a Solo in your pit like my name was Weequay

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:25 (one month ago) link

I'm gettin' Palpy-tations

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:26 (one month ago) link

the dead speak!

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:27 (one month ago) link

Guys, lest we ever forget the magical moment when the world learned that Emperor Palpatine's long-hidden first name is

SHEEV

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:30 (one month ago) link

Sheev Mike

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:33 (one month ago) link

glad they finally worked an appearance from Darth Icky into the series given this was the last chance

ciderpress, Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:36 (one month ago) link

You know Vader and Plagueis and Oppress
Sidious, Bane, Booger, Barf, Farts and Hopeless
But do you recall
A Darth even ickier than Maul?

Children Devouring Their Cronuts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 19:46 (one month ago) link

the clones tho-- manufactured specifically+solely for war, denied even childhoods, cut off from all forms of relationship beyond martial camaraderie, unaware there is anything in the universe more important than the war you-the-viewer know is actually a kind of enormous prank, churned out by rainswept factories on what surely must be the most evil world in the galaxy (korriban is a theme park), the only place they think of as home-- are a breathtaking concept+image tbh

difficult listening hour, Monday, 13 January 2020 20:40 (two weeks ago) link

Yes. It's a large part of the reason why I'm enjoying the Clone Wars program atm (plus the effort they made to actually present the clones as identifiable individual personalities despite there being just shades of difference between most of them).

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 January 2020 20:44 (two weeks ago) link

when I was a kid I thought stormtroopers / tie pilots were droids (despite han and luke putting on suits) and all the death was totally abstract, despite the destruction of alderaan and the millions of voices crying out in terror, lars and beru's smoldering corpses, incinerating x-wings, etc.

the idea of death and the scale of it never really hit me until i read a novelization of ROTJ a year or two after it came out (so I'd have been 10/11) and it described luke looking out the window of death star II during the battle of endor and picturing all the frozen dismembered bodies floating in space.

joygoat, Monday, 13 January 2020 21:27 (two weeks ago) link

I can't really recall seeing any SW characters in shock because of the psychic weight of the war they're waging.

https://i.giphy.com/media/3oeSB2MkXOkelcFtKg/giphy.webp
https://i.giphy.com/media/l1ugsXCJdQvzJYYnK/giphy.webp
https://i.giphy.com/media/3ornkd1yQFrDGrTDCU/giphy.webp

conrad, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:27 (two weeks ago) link

last GIF looks like someone dealing with the aftermath of shitting themselves

papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:33 (two weeks ago) link

In Psychological Effects of Combat, a 2008 paper included in the book Stress of War, Conflict and Disaster, Dave Grossman and Bruce K. Siddle wrote that in surveys of soldiers during World War II, “a quarter of combat veterans admitted that they urinated in their pants in combat, and a quarter admitted that they defecated in their pants in combat.”

conrad, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:41 (two weeks ago) link

in contrast to later modified versions, in which both voices are jango fett)

They're not tho. But Boba's voice is.

Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:19 (two weeks ago) link

oh sry yr right. maclunky!

difficult listening hour, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:35 (two weeks ago) link

in the future we will all be jango fett for 15 minutes

Pete Swine Cave (Eliza D.), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:36 (two weeks ago) link

every day another person's voice is replaced w jango fett's

difficult listening hour, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:38 (two weeks ago) link

Is Star Wars still really popular with children tho? I guess the merchandise would say yes but mine (and nearly all their mates) are way more into Marvel than Star Wars these days

groovypanda, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 09:00 (two weeks ago) link

Marvel - Galactus literally eats planets and its the Silver Surfer's job to warn people before he gets there so they can evacuate, right? Sort of.

Also Marvel released a couple of films relatively recently wherein literally half the population of the universe gets turned to space dust, the biggest act of murder in cinematic history.

Also the Beyonder years and years ago.

Star Wars violence is like the violence in The Dark Knight - no blood, no gore, no visible injuries most of the time. Batman duffs Joker's head in mercilessly in the interrogation room and all that happens is that some of his make-up comes off. I'd say that's as without consequence as anonymous Storm Troopers being offed with blasters.

Is Star Wars for kids? Yeah, it's for everyone. It took me until my 20s to realise the abject horror of the burnt out corpses of Luke's aunt and uncle. Didn't even notice it when I was 5.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 10:43 (two weeks ago) link

Marvel - Galactus literally eats planets and its the Silver Surfer's job to warn people before he gets there so they can evacuate, right? Sort of.

This hasn't been the status quo for SS in decades. Also, a while ago Al Ewing (aka former ILC poster Vic Fluro) completely inverted Galactus, so that he started seeding dead planets with life instead of consuming them. Tho, sadly, this was such a cool new approach to the character that of course Marvel reverted him back a couple of years later.

Also Marvel released a couple of films relatively recently wherein literally half the population of the universe gets turned to space dust, the biggest act of murder in cinematic history.

Also the Beyonder years and years ago.

IIRC the original Beyonder of the 1980s Secret Wars didn't really kill anyone, did he? But in the 2015 Secret Wars and the Avengers comics that preceded it, the Beyonders (other member of the original Beyonder's race) annihilated the entire multiverse (save for one Earth), making them the biggest mass murdeders ever in Marvel comics, far surpassing Thanos, who only killed half the life of one paltry universe.

Tho of course the 2015 SW was pretty much just a Marvel version of DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths, where the Anti-Monitor also destroyed the entire multiverse (save for one universe). They currently adapted this story for the DC "Arrowverse" TV series, but I haven't seen it, so I dunno if the TV Anti-Monitor has surpassed Thanos as the largest live-action mass murderer.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 11:59 (two weeks ago) link

can we not openly doxx former posters pls

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:02 (two weeks ago) link

Oh, I'm sorry. He was pretty open about his IRL indentity and even advertised comics he'd written on ILC, but that was years ago, so you're right.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:25 (two weeks ago) link

TBF I thought it was an open not-at-all-secret secret, as well.

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:32 (two weeks ago) link

not a secret but it’s polite to googleproof irl names imo

don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:36 (two weeks ago) link

protect @l 3w1ng at all costs imo

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:40 (two weeks ago) link

Fair enough, friends.

Yours truly,
V1nce 0ffer

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:41 (two weeks ago) link

Is Star Wars still really popular with children tho? I guess the merchandise would say yes but mine (and nearly all their mates) are way more into Marvel than Star Wars these days

My 8 year-old bounce back and forth between rabid Marvel phases and Star Wars phases, between the new movie and The Mandalorian, he's deep in a SW phase now. He's building massive Mandalorian armies with his Legos.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 14:54 (two weeks ago) link

Marvel - Galactus literally eats planets and its the Silver Surfer's job to warn people before he gets there so they can evacuate, right? Sort of.

Also Marvel released a couple of films relatively recently wherein literally half the population of the universe gets turned to space dust, the biggest act of murder in cinematic history.

Also the Beyonder years and years ago.

Star Wars violence is like the violence in The Dark Knight - no blood, no gore, no visible injuries most of the time. Batman duffs Joker's head in mercilessly in the interrogation room and all that happens is that some of his make-up comes off. I'd say that's as without consequence as anonymous Storm Troopers being offed with blasters.

Is Star Wars for kids? Yeah, it's for everyone. It took me until my 20s to realise the abject horror of the burnt out corpses of Luke's aunt and uncle. Didn't even notice it when I was 5.

― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:43 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

[SPOILERS] Not permanently space dust! And it was also more of a big huge story moment, not just business as usual. But again more importantly, it was ultimately reversed.

Storm Troopers are a little too convenient of a counterpoint, given that they're basically faceless henchman. I wanted to focus more on the colorful good-guy peripheral rebel characters- how often they die in near hopeless skirmishes that are essentially certain death based on the odds, usually bookended by scenes of them hanging out as a kind of family. Their sacrifice is noticeably more in focus and they feel like actual people instead of faceless nobody good guy deaths (like in Marvel movies when they have main baddies killing faceless Asgard or Wakanda soldiers in the midst of a battle). But they debuted this formula with A New Hope because it was helpful and compelling to establish the team involved in the Death Star attack, and it was dramatic to understand how that team got picked off one by one as they moved closer to their goal. The only reason they're doing the cockpit view shot all the way through to ep 9 is because it's yet another stylistic callback to the original trilogy, but it's not as directly practical to tell the story of all the battles (which are much more haphazard and epic) so the result is a unique to Star Wars emphasis on intimately showing good guys dying. I guess I figured out why it felt strange to me.

Evan, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:03 (two weeks ago) link

"No-one feels the effect of death" is an interesting POV only in that it manages to ignore everything we're told about both of the non-white leads in the new trilogy.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:12 (two weeks ago) link

ctrl+f-ed your quoted text, zero results. Who u responding to?

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:15 (two weeks ago) link

SW doesn't really linger on death or trauma as things that have emotional impacts on the survivors. would do as an example

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:16 (two weeks ago) link

To be fair: "No-one [character] feels the effect of death" ≠ "SW [series] doesn't really linger on death or trauma"

Evan, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:24 (two weeks ago) link

xxxp

My 11 year old son is way more into Star Wars than the Marvel movies. He watches and enjoys the marvel movies, but for the most part doesn't get nearly as excited about them as he does about Star Wars. We got Disney+ and so far he is mostly using it for a full Star Wars rewatch.

silverfish, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

Evan is correct. Show me a SW character affected by death and I will show u that same character half an hour later in the movie cracking a joke or going WOOOOOOO as they 'pew pew' other people to death.

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:27 (two weeks ago) link

I mean... that's any war movie

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:28 (two weeks ago) link

I mean i think most of us were probably happy that the second half of Terminator wasn't Sarah going to therapy over the loss of Matt and Ginger

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:30 (two weeks ago) link

That's...kind of a bad counterargument, as Sarah Conner is clearly pretty traumatized through most of the runtime of The Terminator.

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:31 (two weeks ago) link

wasn't Empire about Luke struggling with his compulsion to save his friends in the wake of losing his aunt and uncle and Obi-Wan Kenobi?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:34 (two weeks ago) link

why no rainbow stormtroopers

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:35 (two weeks ago) link

nevermind

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2stg7a/rainbow_stormtrooper/

| (Latham Green), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:36 (two weeks ago) link

Also the argument isn't that that isn't the case in most cinematic depictions of war and violence (as it's pretty overwhelmingly the norm to depict it all as a grand adventure where the heroes barely get a scratch and can enjoy a good night's sleep when the pools of the enemy's blood have begun to coagulate) but rather that SW isn't exactly a gritty documentary about the human cost of intergalactic battle (which, even as I've argued against that notion, I've never said it should be or that anyone would expect it to be, given the kid-friendly nature of the enterprise).

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

Xxxpost She's wrecked but even she manages to have sex with Reece and have jocular moments at the hotel. These things don't mean she's not feeling destroyed inside, but everyone needs levity even in tragedy.

Adrenaline takes over in battle when you're in a monumental fight for your life, as well

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:38 (two weeks ago) link

I don't think anybody ever argued it was. The original statement has been warped a lot.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:39 (two weeks ago) link

Xpost

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:39 (two weeks ago) link

Granted, part of the issue here is that if we're talking exclusively about the movies here, the cumulative forty years of the SW universe has a runtime of like < one day and thusly only has time to depict what's most crucial to the plot (see for instance: Jar Jar stepping in a pile of shit). What I've seen of The Clone Wars thus far has actually done a pretty good job of giving some space to the more human effects of the war, at least in part because it has the luxury to do so.

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:44 (two weeks ago) link

@ AF - what Evan said, pretty much --- Finn and Rose are both shown as *affected* by death, but I still don't think the films *linger* on it. ymmv tho!

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 17:58 (two weeks ago) link

It's Finn's only consistent motivation - get the fuck away from the First Order, go to pieces when it looks like that's not possible. It's still neck-and-neck with "Can I have Rey's number, why because she interesting" at the start of the second film, but some of that can be read as "Because she can fuck up Stormtroopers and the dude with the Lightsaber"

Rose not so much, I'll grant - and by coming in for the second film (of two, when will SWIX ever get released, none of us will ever know) she has a lot less of an arc.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 18:17 (two weeks ago) link

I think my original point was also more about how SW the franchise is perceived as fun for the whole family (again the merchandising and licensing choices make this undeniable, and those things don't happen in hindsight), and yet the lack of shyness explicitly showing relatable people and anthropomorphized aliens being murdered constantly is matched only by adult only targeted franchises or stand alone films like Game of Thrones or Hacksaw Ridge (idk it just popped in my head) respectively. Yeah no blood and guts (however yes dismemberment) sure but otherwise just as blatant. And in those serious war movies/shows, the dark tone is more appropriate, so they DO linger on the trauma. SW is stuck in the middle where they want to keep it fun and light, but the brutality of battle stays in sharp focus. Kind of an awkward spot imo.

Evan, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 18:37 (two weeks ago) link

the ewok death used to really fuck me up as a kid

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 18:38 (two weeks ago) link

Ha, yeah the music gets really mournful in that scene as well iirc which emphasizes it

Evan, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 18:40 (two weeks ago) link

I have total sonic recall of the noise the ewok makes, too. R2s grieving noises are pretty indelibly stamped on my psyche. And the rancor keeper's.

Life is a meaningless nightmare of suffering...save string (Chinaski), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:38 (two weeks ago) link

I've let my kid (who's 7) watch all the Star Wars movies, but I do feel a bit weird about exposing him to all that cinematic violence. It does start to seem a bit relentless after a while. Star Wars does seem to occupy a gray area where the movies are not marketed as kids movies, but there's a huge industry of tie-ins that clearly are aimed at kids. I guess Hollywood is pretty good at straddling that line. I wouldn't mind if the violence was toned down a bit, but I guess I've made my choice that it's acceptable.

o. nate, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:00 (two weeks ago) link

@ AF - we mean different things by "lingered on" --- yes okay it sets up finn's one-liner motivation for the first movie and a half, as much as anything else you might read on the back of the action figure package. (side note though, the point of his character arc in TLJ is that he finds something else to drive him - to fight for saving the people he loves instead of escaping the thing he hates.)

but like compare this to any drama (for adults or for teens for that matter) about a veteran with PTSD or someone who's a survivor of some terrible attack or accident, or is just in mourning for their recently-deceased friend. think about how it would be written, how it would be performed, how it would be lit and edited, how important this history would be every conversation they have.... lots of different ways to do it but this is what i'm thinking about. again i think harry potter is much more invested in this, so it's not like it's impossible to do in a teen-oriented genre movie, they just didn't do it as much here, imho.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:20 (two weeks ago) link

i watched Trading Places with my 11 and 8 year old over Christmas and wow i forgot how much titties are goin on in that movie. which i was a lot more fine with than Eddie Murphy saying "f*ggot" about 10 times. although i fear it may wind up contributing to unrealistic expectations about the extent to which adults just enthusiastically take their tops off during dance parties.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:22 (two weeks ago) link

colin trevorrow is good again for the very first time

Turns out Colin Trevorrow's version of Star Wars: Episode IX was good, actually https://t.co/QHiQzCBEx2 pic.twitter.com/SMMIIOxpoT

— The A.V. Club (@TheAVClub) January 14, 2020

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:23 (two weeks ago) link

As many fans speculated/hoped, this iteration of Episode IX would have seen Rey and Kylo working from similar motives, with both characters fighting against the binary ideologies that have governed their world for ages. Ultimately, unlike Rise, Rey’s attempts to coax Ben Solo out of his Kylo Ren angst helmet fail, and he is “extinguished”—but not before revealing that he killed Rey’s parents (who were, indeed, “nobodies”) on Snoke’s orders.

direct me to the relevant petition immediately

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:39 (two weeks ago) link

That sounds so much better.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 22:48 (two weeks ago) link


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