bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

i'm gonna look into it calz, i'm technically employed at the moment, and i've always been wary of political parties and how they function, i'm only thinking about this now because maintaining the achievements of Momentum seems a fight worth taking on - at least until after the leadership election

tbh I'm about as likely to join the Labour Party as I am that 77 Board thing on ILX.

I want my £23 back now! But having a vote on the leadership of the labour party feels very important rn.

yeah with you on that elitist sub-board, to get away from the hoi polloi!

zebra that is HUEG

Lads!

booming post zebra

^^ nothing to add but wholly agreed.

yeah much better than reading twitter rn

lots of positive talk this evening at a panel event with hilary wainwright, brian eno, zarah sultana mp, dawn foster and others

join the labour party

brian eno is really a thing now isn't he

No Boaby Gillespie no credibility.

there will be plenty of burnt out motorbikes and "cool" dystopias to go around for everyone soon enough!

Dawn Foster is another person who helps me maintain my sanity.

So basically if Alex Salmond had been less of a sex pest we wouldn't be in this situation now?

I think slab might see an upturn if other SNP figures get muddied by revelations of their conduct (surely there was some degree of cover-up?) but cant imagine any election with corbyn second ref vs boris and get brexit done was not going to be disastrous

Is Sturgeon going to get dragged into this scandal - as in if knew he was an offender and did fuck all about it turns out to be true?

*turns out be true* is a bit shit but y'know comes out in the was or whatever is the right phrase to use.

the wash

Surely Dan Jarvis is the type of leadership candidate that Labour members from all sides can unite on. Northern MP, ex soldier, intelligent, charismatic and a politician who has the ability to reach out way beyond the core vote. pic.twitter.com/vxMhsCE2c1

— James Melville (@JamesMelville) December 16, 2019

some green shoots of hope here, all is not lost!

Where is the Alex Salmons news happening?

he's discovered he has a preternatural ability to swim upstream when he's facing serious charges, nominative determinism at it's worst.

I find Sturgeon so untrustworthy and teflon-like and has received so much bullshit praise from melts about what a great inspirational pol she is - I'm hoping she get's dragged into it tbh. probably nasty + unfair of me but she is so overrated.

while you ask my mom owned a tiny house in france which I declared because she died before I was elected and French inheritance law is weird, house gone now as is she,I made no money from it as was never mine but I declared it while I owned 10th of it.Unlike say J Hunt who forgot

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) August 12, 2018

what would UK politics be without these earthy w/c MPs bringing their oh so novel regional accents to Westminster and blah blah truth to power, electibility .. etc

Is Sturgeon going to get dragged into this scandal - as in if knew he was an offender and did fuck all about it turns out to be true?

― calzino, Monday, December 16, 2019 4:21 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hard to say but seems unlikely you could get away with being a serial sex offender without any of your colleagues having an inkling. I think it's quite likely that Sturgeon might not be implicated but other party figures may be, theres also the real chance of a split in the party between salmond loyalists and others who treat the charges seriously

those Salmon loyalists should have a bridge built for them

sorry before I get a misogyny rap off Andy F! RLB-AR is my ticket! and I'll forgive Rayner for abstaining on the welfare bill - but one more strike and she's out as well!

now here's how you negotiate
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/16/boris-johnson-will-amend-brexit-bill-to-outlaw-extension

that's prime minister DEALZ esq to you

without being reductive about people whose lives are being ruined by this gov (which could include me very soon). On a personal level I feel like watching them completely fuck up the economy might be less stressful than it would have been watching a corbyn gov getting attacked by the state/right wing media on a daily basis for trying to improve peoples lives.

So given this amendment are we looking at an increased likelihood of no deal?

I find Sturgeon so untrustworthy and teflon-like and has received so much bullshit praise from melts about what a great inspirational pol she is - I'm hoping she get's dragged into it tbh. probably nasty + unfair of me but she is so overrated.

― calzino, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 00:41 (six hours ago) bookmarkflagli

I've said before I'm particularly susceptible to the sturgeon kool-aid but Scottish governance is on a very different scale to Westminster politics which is in many respects the dog and pony show it's constantly accused of being. This is why it's possible to pretend that all these know nothings are "in charge"

Whereas in holyrood committees and civil servants and third sector people have actual access to politicians including first minister and their actually expected to know their briefs. The kinds of question and answers that happened in the sturgeon section of the 1on1 audience question leader thing were markedly different to all the others, especially the kind of detail in the answers.

This makes it v difficult to compare her to other prominent UK politicians who literally only grant access to journalists and have no time to read briefs. For this reason I find it difficult to say she's "overrated" when this is the frame in which she is usually assessed by this doing that overrating.

I see a certain Scottish blogger has been banned from twitter for going full Glinner. A tragedy.

kinda begs the question why Glinner hasn't been

Xp Anyway long story short I am impressed by a politician who can give a nuanced account of multiple dependency and crime interventions over time rather than tub thumping for topline policy and announcements of plans to increase or cut funding for things. I realise there's also a smarmy local councillor managerial class smarmy vibe this gives off but with the SNP there's at least a social program attached

Also lol I find her "relatable"

kinda begs the question why Glinner hasn't been

This is being shared widely on Facebook. Labour leadership has spent much of last few days blaming traditional media but Facebook is their problem. Repeatedly in traditional Lab constituencies voters would tell me about things they’d seen about JC there. That’s not going to stop. pic.twitter.com/dirZTGJp0J

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) December 17, 2019

I love hoe Thornberry is what passes for a lefty with FB gammon

how .. lol

Is that solvable if you create communities, do the work that bypasses this? We leave people vulnerable over decades of neglect.

Agree it's not the be all and in the short-term we will have to get dirty online too. Then again it's easy for me to say.

Leave.eu is the scummiest but by no means the only one. They were pushing the Muslim vote stuff openly and the Naz Shah bit is an extension of same. If you read DM comments this shit filters down into mainstream via stuff like this.

Facebook is way more popular with older voters, who due to demographic change are over-represented in places like Bishop Auckland and Ashton in Makerfield, so its essentially the same problem?

I don't know that chasing after the over 60 vote is possible anyway. The delineator isn't class, its age (though those things sort of the same becoming the same thing.

Got to look through the data to really tell (and what the data would be in 2024) but are there enough constituencies with a sizeable enough working age population?

In the North (and probably midlands) The Conservative party IS the Pensioner party now, there can't be two

I wouldn't give up on them.

i was saying to someone on a football messageboard who was parroting that Thornberry hates the English thing that other than being an arch remainer - she's probably not far off most tories on immigration going by comments she's made in the past.

She's got no chance.

xxp this is a good illustration of the age effect on voting, apols if already posted. We're living in a gerontocracy, even if that isn't fully reflected in the age of MPs and Ministers.

This chart shows #GE2019 results for constituencies in England sorted by the median average age of the voting age population.

Only one of the 97 seats with a median age below 44 changed party in the recent election: Putney, a Labour gain. pic.twitter.com/gbbCI9k3ST

— Owen Boswarva (@owenboswarva) December 17, 2019

So given this amendment are we looking at an increased likelihood of no deal?

i'm fully expecting this to be the case, especially since the leaked us trade deals basically made this a precondition of transatlantic cooperation

Think it would be good if we could just all agree as a nation that people who hang union jacks from their windows, when there isn't even a world cup on, are freaks who should be excluded from society.

Some of the majorities are small enough and these CON policies mean young people will find themselves stuck in these places for good in serfdom.

Having said all that the next election will see a re-drawn electoral map. They will do everything to destroy hope in the young, who could deliver sizeable majorities whatever the map so...a lot of work.