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weird timing and all cause in all probability it just ended for good; no one watches this show. but they should: it's warm, humane, mysterious, timely, touching, and occasionally riotously funny. and also maybe the only show that's reckoning with the current economic climate in anything approaching an honest way. also featuring some guest/recurring stars that I don't want to spoil for the uninitiated. but man I love(d?) this fuckin show.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:19 (one year ago) link

I just spent a week and a half in LA and 5 different people recommended it to me. I've only watched the premiere and loved it. Yesterday I mentioned the show by name (not by @) to 2 people (an ex-ilxor & a semi-famous musician) who sang it's praises and within hours, two of the major actors liked and retweeted my tweet.

OK, I guess *some* people watch it. But yeah, if you so much as breathe a word about this show on Twitter half the cast/crew will fave, to an extent I've never seen with any other series.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:26 (one year ago) link

Lol, since I posted that, I got another retweet from someone NOT on the show but worked as an AD on Breaking Bad, Mad Men & The Office according to her imdb.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:34 (one year ago) link

Yeah, it's the kind of "they generally don't make 'em like this" project that tends to attract industry praise. I hope all the love is enough to keep it going at least one more season.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:39 (one year ago) link

NY Times gave it a shout out and a "please don't cancel this" today

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:40 (one year ago) link

For the newbies, a spoiler-free, adoring intro from Emily VDW (inasmuch as this is a spoilable show):

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/8/9/20798142/lodge-49-season-1-streaming-watch-season-2-premiere-review

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 16:48 (one year ago) link

can’t wait to get home and watch the finale

it’s tricky to get the formula right when a season begins with a flash-forward and the season builds back to that point and from what i’ve seen so far, they’ve done a great job.

the other thing that sticks with me is how some characters are homages or parodies of real people but it’s done so very thoughtfully. i mean, having wyatt russell as the lead doesn’t hurt. dude is great at playing congenial characters

mh, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:30 (one year ago) link

loved season 1, loved the first episode of season 2, have completely fallen behind on this and all tv. will slowly get back into the fold over the next couple weeks.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:33 (one year ago) link

S2 has some tiny dips here and there but higher highs than S1. There's a mythology-heavy episode around the middle that is particularly stunning.

Simon H., Tuesday, 15 October 2019 17:40 (one year ago) link

Yay, you started a Lodge 49 thread! Let me catch up and rhapsodise.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:29 (one year ago) link

I am yet to watch the finale, and hope things are sufficiently wrapped up lest we not get another season, but not so much that it precludes the possibility of one!

As suggested upthread, the fact that financial hardship figures as a central component of the narrative is one of the more honest things in recent TV history. The exploration of a relationship between orphaned siblings and the weird relationship to memory and different approaches to coping is particularly poignant. Ah but there’s so much hope in the show! In magic and in acts of rebellion! It’s a show that likes and rewards people who are kind and I can’t remember the last time I watched something like that. Okay, maybe The Good Place, but Lodge 49 is just the absolute best.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 15 October 2019 20:43 (one year ago) link

I was trying to figure out how I know Champ (David Ury), and it took me until today to recall he played the early youtube prankster Ken Tanaka, a caucasian man adopted by Japanese parents and grew up in Japan.

Most of his vids are scrubbed but a few along the periphery remain, like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLt5qSm9U80

If you are Western looking and could speak JP with a bit of fluency 10+ years ago, one or dozens of your Japanese friends might have sent his videos to you back then.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 15 October 2019 21:44 (one year ago) link

Okay now I know why my musician friend was posting about the show, a song of his plays in the third episode haha.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 04:00 (one year ago) link

no spoilers, but the quiet Dud/Ernie scene in the s2 finale absolutely killed me.

Simon H., Wednesday, 16 October 2019 06:24 (one year ago) link

Whoever is coordinating the music on this show is A+

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 17 October 2019 17:15 (one year ago) link

Almost finished season 1. Does anyone know if season 2 is coming to Amazon Prime or will I need to look elsewhere?

groovypanda, Friday, 18 October 2019 07:18 (one year ago) link

(In the UK that is)

groovypanda, Friday, 18 October 2019 07:18 (one year ago) link

I played some Soundcarriers stuff on my old radio show but never heard them in the wild, so it was really cool to hear them used so prominently here

Simon H., Saturday, 19 October 2019 23:21 (one year ago) link

spoilery intw with the creators a couple days ago

https://www.bustle.com/p/will-lodge-49-return-for-season-3-the-series-creators-have-big-plans-for-dud-19253974

Simon H., Thursday, 24 October 2019 17:50 (one year ago) link

Just wanted to echo how powerful that scene with Ernie and Dud was. My wife and I were both in tears. Amazing job by both of them.

DJI, Thursday, 24 October 2019 19:36 (one year ago) link

Finally watched the last episode. Wow, the last ten minutes or so were like the most exciting and joyful television ever! The show's varying levels of fantasy work so well because there is always something totally corporeal to anchor it; for every mysterious door there is a scene like the Ernie and Dud one. Ah, so much was set up - I really hope it gets a third season.

tangenttangent, Tuesday, 29 October 2019 14:32 (one year ago) link

BAD NEWS: Officially canceled by AMC
GOOD NEWS: Is being shopped

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:10 (one year ago) link

God damn it.

Simon H., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:19 (one year ago) link

I'm really not optimistic about the odds anyone else picks it up. I was playing pessimistic about its odds for renewal but I secretly kinda thought AMC would keep it going just for the critical love, and the fact that it was probably pretty cheap to produce. But alas.

Simon H., Wednesday, 30 October 2019 02:58 (one year ago) link

whoa

Simon H., Saturday, 9 November 2019 06:45 (one year ago) link

four weeks pass...

catching up... as we near the end and the remedios varo references and mysterious auctions start to pile up its feeling just a little too nudge-nudge

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 December 2019 02:23 (one year ago) link

https://goo.gl/maps/2ydrz2JJd5hmdE3z8

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 14 December 2019 19:42 (one year ago) link

lmao

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 14 December 2019 22:26 (one year ago) link

alas...

DEAR LYNX, it breaks my heart to announce that LODGE 49 won't be going forward. We tried very hard to find a new home, but there were no takers. Ratings, metrics, algorithms...que sera, brah. I will write a proper postscript soon, but for now a few thoughts. (thread)

— Jim Gavin (@jimatdeltaco) December 17, 2019

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:21 (one year ago) link

;_;

mh, Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:27 (one year ago) link

that's a lovely goodbye

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 17 December 2019 20:53 (one year ago) link

fuck that almost makes twitter worthwhile

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 18 December 2019 06:21 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

finally catching up on this season and it's obviously excellent.

sorry for being party to the show's cancellation by not watching in a timely matter :(

525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:09 (one year ago) link

no spoilers but now that I know it's the end, it has one of *the* great final shots of a series

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:11 (one year ago) link

im still absorbing "circles," which was probably the best television episode of the year, unless there are better ones coming up.

525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:21 (one year ago) link

That might be the series highlight yeah, the show's Achilles heel imo is that the direction can be a little flat/pedestrian compared to the material, so seeing them mix things up so successfully was exciting

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 3 January 2020 19:24 (one year ago) link

this show is so good - i didn't know i wanted a late-capitalist crying of lot 49 with added western hermeticism but i really, really did

just finished s1, can't wait to dive into season 2

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 12:29 (one year ago) link

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/12/06/costello

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 9 November 2019 06:32 (two months ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is great btw, thx albert for posting - amazing how well jim gavin's voice here is reflected in the show

que pasa picasso (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 15:14 (one year ago) link

just watched s2ep7, that scene with dud and ernie was a tour de force. one of the saddest parts of the end of this beautiful show is that idk when we'll be able to see brent jennings in such a big role again. he's such a friendly, warming presence, even when (especially when) he's sad or angry.

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:52 (one year ago) link

just started watching this last night, love it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:58 (one year ago) link

always good to see the Meat Man from Strangers w Candy

Οὖτις, Thursday, 16 January 2020 17:58 (one year ago) link

omg Bruce Campbell!! Silver Apples! Eden Ahbez! what a show

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:17 (one year ago) link

bruce campbell is so, so good in this

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:18 (one year ago) link

yeah, perfectly cast

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:24 (one year ago) link

this show made fantastic use of its guest stars

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:24 (one year ago) link

also v cool to see Charles Yu deliver a great script (albeit just for one episode)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:07 (one year ago) link

I feel like this show kinda stole How to Be a God in Central Florida's thunder

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:08 (one year ago) link

i don't see it tbh.

A) because this show was way too low-key to steal anyone's thunder and
B) because how to be a god in central florida kinda didn't deliver (presumably due to its complicated gestation)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:45 (one year ago) link

s1e6 is fucking god-tier TV and probably the single reason why I'm now on my 4th rewatch of this show.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 04:59 (one year ago) link

The accelerating leaps of pace and the corners each revealed mystery exposes is just masterful.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 05:03 (one year ago) link

Petitioning to sneak s3 production costs into the covid relief bills, for our collective well-being

brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 March 2020 05:15 (one year ago) link

So just last night I found out (via my wife) who Wyatt Russell's parents are, I had no idea... in spite of meeting and chatted with his half-sister a few years ago.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 April 2020 15:02 (one year ago) link

Is this on any streaming services?

calstars, Monday, 6 April 2020 15:47 (one year ago) link

amazon prime (s1 only in the UK)

nashwan, Monday, 6 April 2020 15:48 (one year ago) link

hulu in the USA

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 6 April 2020 16:27 (one year ago) link

Groundhog Day: Blaise plays Bill Murray's shrink and Ernie's boss plays the groundhog day MC/handler.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:27 (one year ago) link

ernie’s boss is bill murray’s brother!

force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 12 April 2020 20:39 (one year ago) link

yes! and he was the co-writer of Caddyshack but also in that film portrayed a character named "Lou Loomis"... almost the exact name of the Sovereign Protector of Lodge 49 circa s1 eps #1-5.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 April 2020 04:46 (one year ago) link

More odd parallels: Tricia Brock directed episodes #5 & 6 of Lodge 49 s1, but she was the writer of Twin Peaks season 2 episodes 17 & 23 which prominently feature Windom Earle, portrayed by Kenneth Welsh who plays Larry Loomis in Lodge 49.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 13 April 2020 04:56 (one year ago) link

I just watched the first episode. I wasn't crazy about it and would probably bail except for all the praise about it here.

Yerac, Monday, 20 April 2020 16:54 (one year ago) link

I felt the same way, except the 2 people who recommended it to me specifically said to give it a few episodes.

It's definitely a slow burn, there are an incredible amount of buried/obscured details that reveal themselves in later viewings. If you're not onboard by s1ep6 (if you can hang that long) it's probably just not your thing.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:41 (one year ago) link

I also dig the recurring motif of things getting smashed through - walls, windows, tables, maps, floors, ceilings

― Οὖτις, Friday, February 7, 2020 10:12 AM (two months ago)

Yes, it parallels the a brief detail of Flammarion's Engraving in the title credits, Paul Giamatti's character straight-up does this to the map on Ernie's living room wall:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flammarion_engraving#/media/File:Flammarion.jpg

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 20 April 2020 17:44 (one year ago) link

currently watching AMC's Dispatches From Elsewhere which feels a lot like if you stripped Lodge 49 of the fascinating minutiae, belly laughs, and contemporary resonance, and replaced it all with Michel Gondry worship and a real budget. A real shame.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 16:34 (one year ago) link

I was a little worried about that. Haven't read any reviews and had considered checking the hivemind here before watching

mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:20 (one year ago) link

most people seem to like it but I'm finding it kind of unbearable

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:22 (one year ago) link

the promos seem to be very portentous and packed with recognizable actors, which often does not bode well

mh, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:24 (one year ago) link

not to mention a vague title and even vaguer trailers.

edgard varese-type beat (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:38 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

the gospel is spreading (don't worry too much about the specific meaning of this tweet)

Lodge 49 is the most grillpilled show I’ve ever seen.

— grillpilled_cushbomb (@cushbomb) June 15, 2020

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 15 June 2020 15:29 (ten months ago) link

there's a song on the new rolling blackouts coastal fever called 'beautiful steven' and it can't help but remind me of ernie's nemesis beautiful jeff

ACABincalifornia (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:44 (ten months ago) link

Still no sign of the second season in the UK so guess I'm going to have to torrent it

chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 07:14 (ten months ago) link

do itttt

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 24 June 2020 16:15 (ten months ago) link

two months pass...

Just watched the first Bruce Campbell episode and this show is a delight

change display name (Jordan), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:00 (eight months ago) link

I’m done with jokes about an ilx commune post-covid

I want an ilx Lodge

irn-scamp (mh), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:16 (eight months ago) link

i thought i already said this on here but i guess not: if you liked Lodge 49, you should also watch Patriot on Amazon Prime if you haven't already. there are plenty of differences but they are both comedies with strong undercurrents of sadness and big ensemble casts of interesting characters.

na (NA), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:21 (eight months ago) link

Just watched the trailer and I remembered why I stopped watching that in the first 5 minutes - the protagonist casually kills someone over a job interview. That's not mellow.

DJI, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:25 (eight months ago) link

he isn't dead! but yeah it is a lot more stressful than Lodge 49

na (NA), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 21:26 (eight months ago) link

Lodge 49 is so damn good, I keep rewatching it mainly due to recommending it to people and then days/weeks later having them want to dive into convos about the show and I want to be fully present and reoriented.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 22:22 (eight months ago) link

one month passes...

Finished this last night (after putting off watching the final episodes, like some others mentioned), so good. Really too bad it didn't get another season, but also kind of amazing that it got made in the first place.

change display name (Jordan), Monday, 26 October 2020 15:25 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

I had no idea I'd seen Brett Jennings before L49... but he played Ron Washington in Moneyball.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, 20 December 2020 22:46 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

Just realized that Dud's limp when he walks is awfully reminiscent of Snake Plissken's after he takes a crossbow bolt to the leg.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 6 February 2021 21:58 (three months ago) link

just thought about Brent Jennings in s2 and welled up a bit

stimmy stimmy yah (Simon H.), Saturday, 6 February 2021 22:12 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

finished this last night and i just need to say: man, this show

Clay, Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:11 (three weeks ago) link

everyone needs to watch it

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:15 (three weeks ago) link

♥️

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:29 (three weeks ago) link

Got a few left of season 2 to go. At first I was a bit disappointed in the shift away from the hare-brained mystery arc but appreciating it much more now.

nashwan, Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:31 (three weeks ago) link

I have nothing to say that hasn't been said but fuck it's so good. Doesn't hurt that the surf hauntology soundtrack is just dead center in the venn diagram of a lot of my genre loves.

nicole, Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:35 (three weeks ago) link

Maybe I just want Mary Elizabeth Ellis back.

nashwan, Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:35 (three weeks ago) link

there is approx a 100 percent chance i will rewatch this within a year

Clay, Saturday, 17 April 2021 22:58 (three weeks ago) link

Wyatt Russell was quoted in Vanity Fair last week saying that if Jim Gavin ever wants to do a L49 movie or if the series somehow gets picked up, he would drop everything to rejoin the project.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 19 April 2021 04:56 (three weeks ago) link

It's never going to happen but it's nice to dream

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:07 (three weeks ago) link

eh, if a Party Down re-boot can happen a decade after the fact, it's not so insane to think a Lodge 49 one could happen someday, too.

Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:18 (three weeks ago) link

hopefully his MCU character gets killed off soon lol

intern at pepe le pew research (Simon H.), Monday, 19 April 2021 18:37 (three weeks ago) link

two weeks pass...

There was a zoom event last night featuring Charles Yu (L49 staff writer for s1, sole writer for s1e6 which is imho the best L49 episode) for the SF Book Festival, and just so happened to be hosted by Jim Gavin. It ran about 1 hour and focused on Charles' work in the speculative fiction realm, his awards and accolades including winning a major award (National Book Award - Fiction) mid-pandemic for Interior Chinatown, violence/malevolence towards Asians/Asian-Americans, coming from an unusual background (pre-med/law school/model-minority), Asian-Americans underrepresentation in the arts, but mostly Charles' process of writing and honing his craft.

These guys are obviously good friends so it was often silly and light-hearted compared to a stuffy reading of Charles' resumé and bibliography which in someone else's hands the event could have been.

Yet even though the spotlight was on Charles, he gave Jim and Lodge 49 deep, heartfelt compliments at every opportunity (seriously, maybe 20-25% of the talk was Lodge 49-adjacent, just on Charles' behalf!).

I'll check to see if it gets posted on the 'tube.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 15:44 (one week ago) link

(Also I had no idea that Charles was Kelvin Yu's brother!)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 15:53 (one week ago) link

love both lodge 49 and interior chinatown so please keep posted!

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:42 (one week ago) link

totally didn't realize that charles yu wrote for it tho, i know he worked on westworld

the mai tai quinn (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 16:43 (one week ago) link

as if on command:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ra9wZeh1lS0

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 May 2021 17:27 (one week ago) link


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