Parasite (new Bong Joon Ho movie)

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Kinda surprised there's no thread for this considering the director, that it won the Palme, getting considerable buzz, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isOGD_7hNIY

Anyway, saw it last night and it absolutely floored me. It's pretty much the movie that I wanted Us to be.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:29 (four months ago) link

Is it too early to discuss the ending

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:32 (four months ago) link

yes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:37 (four months ago) link

great movie, his best since MoM

Simon H., Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:49 (four months ago) link

high praise indeed, can't wait to see this.

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:52 (four months ago) link

Simon, how can I discuss the ending with you

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:56 (four months ago) link

lol let's just wait a couple months

Simon H., Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:51 (four months ago) link

yeah this was awesome and best enjoyed if you didn't know anything about it beforehand imo.

no spoilers, but while I thought the whole cast were uniformly good, Park So-Dam was particularly great as Ki Jung/Jessica.

Roz, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:31 (four months ago) link

the sheer level of craft on display in like every second of this thing just puts so, so much other shit to shame, even if there's some stuff near the end that faltered a teensy bit for me

Simon H., Monday, 23 September 2019 14:42 (four months ago) link

even the "eccentric" ending that you aren't allowed to talk about wasn't enough to undo how fine this movie was. Best Bong Joon Ho since The Host.

calzino, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 07:58 (four months ago) link

It was actually the climax I took slight exception to; felt less inventive than the rest of the movie

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 September 2019 08:51 (four months ago) link

there are a few things I didn't like about the last act, but just minor quibbles really, after seeing a totally ace director back on his game after making dross like Snowpiercer and that awful tv movie, I'm not going to criticise them.

calzino, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:12 (four months ago) link

two weeks pass...

Good interview/profile of Bong Joon-Ho: https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/bong-joon-ho-parasite.html

Roz, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:57 (four months ago) link

I totally agree with "Best Bong Joon Ho since The Host" but that's not much of a bar to rise to. This was good! It was not great.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 17 October 2019 04:18 (four months ago) link

Finding out that Bong storyboards the shit out of his films and then gives the actors the storyboards as scripts explained a lot to me. He's filming comic books i think and there's nothing wrong with that. Some of those shots (the "ghost" surprising the child rising from the downstairs in particular) feel indelible for it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 17 October 2019 04:20 (four months ago) link

OK, it's out this weekend in most of North America. Let's go

Anyway, saw it last night and it absolutely floored me. It's pretty much the movie that I wanted Us to be.

otm. I didn't think it was a masterpiece, but close. pacing felt off in the finale, feel like some momentum was lost between the family suddenly coming home and the birthday party. I loved that ending of course, but was shocked that there were 30 mins left when the rich couple fucked on the couch.

I thought Burning was better but this is a more accessible movie about class/wealth stratification in South Korea. Glad it's doing such great business.

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:08 (three months ago) link

by Bong I've only seen this and The Host, which was fine but nothing special. did Okja ever come out on disc?

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:09 (three months ago) link

thought this was fine

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:21 (three months ago) link

burning was a lot better, on similar themes

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:22 (three months ago) link

This movie was just awesome. Kid wanted to see it (she’s into kpop so it made sense.)

nathom, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:23 (three months ago) link

This is something else.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Sunday, 27 October 2019 01:45 (three months ago) link

as far as class warfare movies go, i would say

Burning=Shoplifters > La Ceremonie =Parasite >>>>Snowpiercer=Sorry to Bother You

still need to see Us, Ready or Not, Hustlers

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 27 October 2019 03:15 (three months ago) link

It's pretty much the movie that I wanted Us to be.

Oh good, other people picked up on the doppelganger element. I liked it as a black comedy of inequality and the "problems" of one-percenter parents. The subsequent excursion into thriller/horror fits, but I agree that the film would have profited from a tightening up of the running time.

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Sunday, 27 October 2019 23:10 (three months ago) link

I loved Us! I think as much as Get Out

haven't seen Parasite yet but based on Okja, Snowpiercer I'm only somewhat hopeful

Dan S, Sunday, 27 October 2019 23:24 (three months ago) link

Parasite is so much better than either Okja or Snowpiercer.

Roz, Monday, 28 October 2019 01:55 (three months ago) link

never seen okja but snowpiercer is hot garbage.

Memories of Murder and Mother are both capital G Great films and The Host is a double capital G Great Genre film

i've avoided seeing Okja because he is sure as shit gonna make me feel for the big hippo thing and then kill it. i've played the last guardian; can't fool me again

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 28 October 2019 03:41 (three months ago) link

I liked this a lot. The symbolism is club-you-over-the-head, but it works despite/because of that. And it's pretty funny through the first two-thirds. I didn't mind the ending, it felt like that was where it was always headed.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2019 03:54 (three months ago) link

this was kind of a hot mess? it definitely shook me but i'm not sure i enjoyed the ride. idk so many "powerful" things leave me feeling exhausted these days.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:19 (three months ago) link

Didn't really seem like a mess to me, I thought it was pretty tightly constructed.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:52 (three months ago) link

oh no it was extremely tight of course (although maybe there were some pacing / pov issues near the end that could have been handled more carefully?), it was just too slickly constructed and hyper-meaningful for my tastes. like i think i respect that it's aiming to be a shakespearean tragedy about capitalism but it's also in the form of a 32 oz monster energy drink and it was all too much for me tbh.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:37 (three months ago) link

i mean i definitely *felt* a lot during this movie but it was ultimately kind of exhausting. of course it was also funny throughout but the humor was also too frenetic for me. like i laughed louder when renee zelwegger pushed the bad sculpture off its pedestal in front of her ex's house in the otherwise very sad but also similarly profound judy garland biopic that i saw last weekend, maybe because the humorous moment had a bit more space around it and r.z.'s performance in that movie is extremely good.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:44 (three months ago) link

there's several indelible images stuck in my mind from this film even now (the "ghost" shocking the boy eating cake, the kick down the stairs, shaving peachfuzz) but this isn't a super thoughtful or challenging movie... i'm fairly certain it was never meant to be.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:52 (three months ago) link

the image stuck in my head is the dogs eating the meat on the skewer stuck in the corpse

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:58 (three months ago) link

yeah that's a good one

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:59 (three months ago) link

at least what it says about the trauma of capitalism is true. it may not be super challenging or whatever but it's otm, and in the form of a slapstick comedy/thriller. for instance, how the trauma of capitalism perpetuates itself across generations and how it's larger than any bogeyman character. idk these aren't exactly the easiest concepts to present in a mainstream film? but tbh i don't watch very many movies so.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:05 (three months ago) link

quoting myself upthread but if you want to see some other films in the same vein that are as good/better:

Burning=Shoplifters > La Ceremonie =Parasite >>>>Snowpiercer=Sorry to Bother You

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:07 (three months ago) link

haha thanks though i'm not sure i have it in me to watch a film with similar themes for .. a while

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:08 (three months ago) link

it's also in the form of a 32 oz monster energy drink and it was all too much for me tbh.

haha, yeah that's a fair description.

Its central arguments and symbolism are super on-the-nose, but for me they landed with some oomph because the writing, acting and filmmaking were all sharp and often funny. (Until they weren't.) The long scene where they descend and descend and descend from the rich house to their semi-basement apartment, in a growing flood, only to find their home literally submerged in shit — on the paper that's grindingly obvious, but in the execution it was scary and heartbreaking.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:12 (three months ago) link

I actually liked this more than Burning — or enjoyed it more, I guess. I liked Burning but it felt a little remote to me, unsurprising given its source material.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:13 (three months ago) link

i dunno, there's so many moments in Burning that felt like pure honest complex dreams to me. it's a more mystical film i guess, don't think i'd say remote?
my sense is that a lot of folks who fell head over heels for parasite (and why it's so very popular) is that audiences are self-congratulating themselves on appreciating the complex class issues of what amounts to a cartoon. but maybe i'm being snobby i dunno.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:17 (three months ago) link

i have at least four friends who basically never see movies who were raving to me about how brilliant this was and i feel like a total dorkus malorkus saying "yeah, i love the director and i saw this twice and it was... very good" and then they're all like "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE IT?!?!?" and there's no way to adequately explain that without referencing a lot of his films and other people's films that i know they haven't seen.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:19 (three months ago) link

maybe the right answer to "why don't you love it" is to give them a thumb drive with Mother and Memories of Murder on it and ask them to check back with me in three months when they get around to watching it to see it they agree?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:21 (three months ago) link

i was SO taken with those two movies and then host was such a great oddball genre film that i was psyched to go wherever this guy wanted to go and then, well, snowpiercer.
with parasite, i think i've come to the conclusion that Bong is an immense and great stylist but that he's not going to likely level up into something more highbrow and affecting now that he has more money and fame a'la Park Chan Wook or Lynch. Maybe you could make a comparison to Miike? Dunno.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:24 (three months ago) link

Yeah he's definitely more of a populist/popcorn director than e.g. Lee Chang-dong. But he's an interesting and talented one, I think. I agree that Mother is probably his best movie, and it is surprising in a lot of ways — stylistically and narratively — that Parasite isn't.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:32 (three months ago) link

i really like him! i'm just in the unpleasant indie fuck position of being unable to avoid saying "his earlier films are much better"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqjR1gHyIQ
in any case your post made me realize i should see more Chang-dong, so thanks for that! recommendation for the best one to jump into?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:36 (three months ago) link

Besides Burning I only know Secret Sunshine and Poetry, both good.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:38 (three months ago) link

will try poetry and report back

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:40 (three months ago) link

mother was the one for me too

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:19 (three months ago) link

it's been a while but i remember thinking it was on par with great hitchcock

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:20 (three months ago) link

I liked this a lot more than Burning but I would never think to compare them.

Simon H., Monday, 4 November 2019 21:24 (three months ago) link

Similar to the What's App / KakaoTalk thing, it may just be a localization/translation choice.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:12 (two days ago) link

that's what I suspected - I mean it seems entirely plausible that the Korean legal system would incorporate such rights, wildly implausible that they would use the American term tho

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:13 (two days ago) link

I liked this overall but was a little put off by ultimately how sympathetic every character was. I'm sure that's appealing to the Academy and yr average viewer, but it leaves the class analysis a little toothless, very "welp that's just the way things are, everyone's trapped in it!" which I don't find particularly enervating or insightful.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:15 (two days ago) link

just caught this over the weekend as well. i really loved it! Can't get over some of the amazing shots. I'm definitly going to watch it again .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:27 (two days ago) link

I liked this overall but was a little put off by ultimately how sympathetic every character was. I'm sure that's appealing to the Academy and yr average viewer, but it leaves the class analysis a little toothless, very "welp that's just the way things are, everyone's trapped in it!" which I don't find particularly enervating or insightful.

This is an extremely weird criticism to me. Why should the class of any of the characters have made them inherently unsympathetic?

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:29 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I wonder if one of the things that made this such an across-the-board appealing movie was that it refused to be drawn into the narrative that class inequality necessitates one (or the other) class being maladaptive if not downright evil.

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:31 (two days ago) link

sorry you didn't find it more enervating!

symsymsym, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:35 (two days ago) link

yeah it's good. There were a bunch of moments where I was trying to place what they specifically reminded me of (Hitchcock? Haneke?) and I was failing

Why should the class of any of the characters have made them inherently unsympathetic?

it obscures who really benefits in a very real way from the existing class structure, for one thing. Because, look, the rich suffer too, and are not mean people! But it also engenders a kind of apathy/helplessness - without a villain, or someone either articulating or exemplifying why the class structure is how it is in the first place - it just makes the class system seem insurmountable, something that cannot be fought against or changed. Which, admittedly is tempered a little bit by the delusional hopefulness of the conclusion, indicating that some kind of aspirational hope (even if it is just to become a rich family again) still exists, no matter how unrealistic. But of course poor people having unrealistic dreams of becoming rich is one of those things that helps to keep the class system functioning.

xps

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:36 (two days ago) link

oh I see Eric already said it better :)

xps

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:36 (two days ago) link

like, "Society" this is not. It's portrayal of aspirational poor people is nuanced and insightful (I lol'd at someone calling this Crazy Poor Asians), and probably novel for the Academy, since Hollywood has generally stopped making movies about real people.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:42 (two days ago) link

this was basically The Class System as a Series of Unfortunate Events

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:44 (two days ago) link

I would be extremely down for someone to remake and improve upon "Society" tbh

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:45 (two days ago) link

film is not without its flaws but omg I love it so

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:47 (two days ago) link

I really just want someone to give it a real ending. keep in the wonderfully revolting practical effects and cartoonish class commentary obv

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:48 (two days ago) link

in the era of rebooted everything/current political climate I could see it working really well but I don't think it's a "property" that has much cachet, unlike other horror franchises, unfortunately.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:51 (two days ago) link

it's funny to read American reviews of it at the time (ex. Variety) that are all aghast at the disgusting effects and yet curiously make no mention of the sledgehammer obvious class politics. I give Yuzna a huge amount of credit for not pulling any punches in either department.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:52 (two days ago) link

Idk I could see a Blumhouse type crew picking up the rights for cheap, getting some up and coming arty horror director to gussy it up a bit and leverage the insane premise in advertising--you know what fuck it I'm just gonna write the thing on spec brb

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:54 (two days ago) link

cool, will cobble together a few mil from my production company for ya

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 19:55 (two days ago) link

quick who's a cheaper tom holland equivalent for the lead

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:07 (two days ago) link

it obscures who really benefits in a very real way from the existing class structure, for one thing. Because, look, the rich suffer too, and are not mean people! But it also engenders a kind of apathy/helplessness - without a villain, or someone either articulating or exemplifying why the class structure is how it is in the first place - it just makes the class system seem insurmountable, something that cannot be fought against or changed. Which, admittedly is tempered a little bit by the delusional hopefulness of the conclusion, indicating that some kind of aspirational hope (even if it is just to become a rich family again) still exists, no matter how unrealistic. But of course poor people having unrealistic dreams of becoming rich is one of those things that helps to keep the class system functioning.

It's established pretty clearly that while the rich family has their own set of issues, they are an entire universe away from the things that both poor families are dealing with. There's nothing threatening the existence of the rich family in the story until the confrontation at the end and their danger is completely driven by the rich father's actions/lack of empathy.

You are treating one of the strongest aspects of this movie (its treatment of all its characters as recognizable, relatable human beings whose motivations were driven as much by personality as by circumstance) as if it was a negative.

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:08 (two days ago) link

that's true, but only because personalized drama tends to not be very useful when it comes to class analysis. So I have no problem praising this movie for the sympathy of its characterizations, which it does very well, just also noting that that kind of emphasis undercuts any meaningful class commentary.

(and that concludes this episode of Stalinist Film Criticism)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:13 (two days ago) link

For once, a recipe post where the introductory story is in fact crucial.

https://thetakeout.com/recipe-how-to-make-ram-don-noodles-from-parasite-movie-1841769317

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:39 (two days ago) link

Also, along the lines of a couple of pieces posted recently upthread:

https://tropicsofmeta.com/2020/02/17/reading-colonialism-in-parasite/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 20:40 (two days ago) link

that's true, but only because personalized drama tends to not be very useful when it comes to class analysis. So I have no problem praising this movie for the sympathy of its characterizations, which it does very well, just also noting that that kind of emphasis undercuts any meaningful class commentary.

Making this movie more like a Haenecke film would not improve it.

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:24 (two days ago) link

no disagreement there, I can't stand Haneke

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:26 (two days ago) link

Outis, your response is interesting - it's funny tho, I feel like most of the negative reactions i've heard on the movie (which are not numerous obv) have been to do with finding the class analysis sledgehammer-y in the sense of "poor good, rich bad."

what's fascinating to me is how clearly it's the system which creates the poor/rich gulf that's evil here, and how we see the ways it infects people (parasitically) based on their relative class positions. so yeah, everyone is bad, but the ways they're bad and the kinds of harm they do are specific, and not symmetrical.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:27 (two days ago) link

"poor good, rich bad."

dunno what movie these people watched tbh! Seemed very nuanced to me. The poors do some shitty things (get people fired, perpetuate fraud, struggle with/murder other poors), the rich do some shitty things (primarily acting snooty and entitled), but every character is given some shading to indicate that there is never much in the way of malice on anyone's part.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:39 (two days ago) link

Uh, I would say there is a good amount of malice all the way around. The poor families are fully prepared to stomp on each other to get the opportunity to leech off of the rich family and the rich family, aside from the son who is really in his own hyper kid bubble, literally couldn't care less about the humanity or well-being of any of the people working for them; even the relationship between the poor son and rich daughter is shaded by the fact that she had the exact same relationship with the poor son's best friend and was obviously using her tutors as interchangeable relationship bots (which is partially due to the fecklessness of youth but also tied to the fact that she knows it's a temporary dalliance, while the guys in the tutor role are clearly looking at it as "this is my future wife whose inheritance will lift me into the social stratum where I naturally belong")

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:43 (two days ago) link

I didn't read any of that as malice so much as opportunism. There's no cruelty involved, the motive is never to hurt the other - it's to get them out of the way or use them to one's advantage.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:45 (two days ago) link

Characters that are capable of making poor choices, wanting to do the right thing, being upset at the hand life has dealt them, and being inured to their own privilege. What a shallow cartoon this is!

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:45 (two days ago) link

which is a function of the class system and central to its design and hierarchies - decisions or actions that harm others are framed through the lens of self interest (something everybody is expected to identify with, no matter what their position), and not from an explicit desire to harm others. So when people suffer as a result there's this "don't blame me, I was just looking out for myself, just like you would've done!" excuse.

But up until the mayhem at the end, none of the characters are shown doing anything explicitly to hurt another just for the sake of hurting another.

xps

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:52 (two days ago) link

There's no cruelty involved

The poor family gets the driver fired and triggers a potentially-fatal allergic reaction in the housekeeper so they can take their jobs
The rich father has a protracted conversation with the rich mother about how much the poor father smells like a lower-class person
The poor family's reaction to discovering the old housekeeper's husband in the basement is to try to imprison him down there with his wife
Then there is the aforementioned "love affair" where both parties are blatantly and opportunistically using each other

I'm not sure how any of this goes by on screen and doesn't register to you as even the tiniest bit cruel and malicious.

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 21:55 (two days ago) link

The poor family gets the driver fired and triggers a potentially-fatal allergic reaction in the housekeeper so they can take their jobs means to an end
The rich father has a protracted conversation with the rich mother about how much the poor father smells like a lower-class person garden variety entitlement
The poor family's reaction to discovering the old housekeeper's husband in the basement is to try to imprison him down there with his wife again, means to an end. they're surprised and desperate
Then there is the aforementioned "love affair" where both parties are blatantly and opportunistically using each other yeah, idk if this counts as cruelty, this is kind of how a lot of relationships function sadly. It's not like there's rape or abuse involved.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:01 (two days ago) link

My point is that you seem to be the one handwaving and making excuses for the bad behavior, not the movie. In fact, I'd argue that the violent escalation at the end is intended to highlight the passing cruelty everyone was slinging around up to that point of the movie.

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:03 (two days ago) link

xp plug-n-play Morbs' assertion that marriage is an economic institution and nothing at all more here

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:03 (two days ago) link

it's definitely bad behavior, I'm just saying the movie makes it believable and relatable! No one's portrayed as a sadist or a psychopath. Nor is the bad behavior limited to one side of the economic divide or the other.

Even the violence at the end - the audience has been led by the hand to understand what led up to that moment, that the characters that lash out snap out of grief and frustration and desperation. These are not Haneke's sociopaths from Funny Games or the upper class predators of "Society".

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:08 (two days ago) link

So... why does making it believable and relatable undercut the social commentary about class disparity? You are making an assertion and not really providing any argument beyond "because it does"

totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:10 (two days ago) link

the class system clearly benefits the upper class and is explicitly designed to do so. A more polemical film would have emphasized this by painting a more traditional "poors good/rich bad" dichotomy. But as Doc Casino notes, ultimately the *system* is revealed as the true evil, rather than the people who are at the top of it. And the filmmakers were clearly not interested in a "eat the rich" sort of screed. Making everybody on either side of the divide believable and relatable means that no single group (apart from the Americans, who are implicated more by our absence and the use of English) comes out as deserving blame for the situation.

So in the sense that a class-conscious film involves motivating people to undo the class system... this doesn't really do that. There's no villain, there's no readily identifiable obstacle to be overcome, everyone's just kinda trapped.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:25 (two days ago) link

just like real life

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:28 (two days ago) link

you could behead every capitalist and not end capitalism!

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:28 (two days ago) link

stop bumming me out!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 22:29 (two days ago) link

I'll try to dig up some of the recent writing on the film I ran across but it's amazing how the one thing that's taken for granted by most audiences in these parts is how much American imperialism permeates the film's atmosphere and there's subtle and not-so-subtle commentary on it!

mh, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 23:04 (two days ago) link

good piece linked by Ned upthread about that

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 February 2020 23:06 (two days ago) link

you have nothing to lose but your heads

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 20 February 2020 02:33 (yesterday) link

Understandable, he can't read.#Parasite #BestPicture #Bong2020 https://t.co/lNqGJkUrDP

— NEON (@neonrated) February 21, 2020

groovypanda, Friday, 21 February 2020 11:43 (ten hours ago) link

He hasn't seen Gone With The Wind (too long) but his Klan Dad rated it.

nashwan, Friday, 21 February 2020 11:44 (ten hours ago) link

Gotta love how all of Trump's cultural reference points seem to be from the 1930s.

Anyway, it's interesting to see the breadth of reactions people have had to this movie. I for one did not find the Parks sympathetic at all. They're not cartoon villains, but they're clearly characterized as cluelessly entitled (the wife) or callously manipulative (the husband). The brilliant thing is that Bong makes the Kims sympathetic even though they're ruthless to the point of near-sociopathy. You want them to succeed, even though their success must be predicated on the dispossession of others.

may the force leave us alone (zchyrs), Friday, 21 February 2020 12:30 (nine hours ago) link

this remains an exceptionally strange and bewildering timeline

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 21 February 2020 13:40 (eight hours ago) link

Gotta love how all of Trump's cultural reference points seem to be from the 1930s.

Sunset Blvd (1950) mentioned last night...

about a lone megalomaniac who used to be big, and DOES get arrested when she shoots somebody near her swimming pool.

It's tempting to think about what Billy Wilder would say about him.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 February 2020 16:06 (five hours ago) link

Caught this last night - in the cinema, which is a rare treat at the moment. I've seen a few Jong-Ho films so had a bunch of references but I'd managed to avoid any spoilers at all (apart from that it had a 'gory ending'). I loved it.

My initial feeling was that it was a caper film and that the Kims were veteran con artists: even with the pizza box shambles, there was something so slick about their performances that they must have done this, or something like it, before. It wasn't really until the visitation from the former housekeeper that it became apparent they were grifters and from there it all started to come apart. I did find the ending a little chaotic but I felt expertly corralled and was egging on the Kims and dungeon guy.

I keep thinking about the suseok and its grand metaphorical resonance. One way of thinking about it is as an avatar of the old ways; a remnant of real nature. Nature's only presence in the film is as a part of the grand architecture of the house - and is only experienced in a spectacular form, through the massive screen of the window. It seemed to be part of a grander narrative of capital supplanting and commodifying nature. Even the rain seemed allegorical and couldn't eradicate the 'real' of the suseok.

Anyway, ill-thought-through babble aside, what a film to win the Oscar.

Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Friday, 21 February 2020 22:02 (three minutes ago) link


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