Parasite (new Bong Joon Ho movie)

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Kinda surprised there's no thread for this considering the director, that it won the Palme, getting considerable buzz, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isOGD_7hNIY

Anyway, saw it last night and it absolutely floored me. It's pretty much the movie that I wanted Us to be.

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:29 (one year ago) link

Is it too early to discuss the ending

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:32 (one year ago) link

yes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:37 (one year ago) link

great movie, his best since MoM

Simon H., Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:49 (one year ago) link

high praise indeed, can't wait to see this.

calzino, Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:52 (one year ago) link

Simon, how can I discuss the ending with you

self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Sunday, 22 September 2019 19:56 (one year ago) link

lol let's just wait a couple months

Simon H., Sunday, 22 September 2019 21:51 (one year ago) link

yeah this was awesome and best enjoyed if you didn't know anything about it beforehand imo.

no spoilers, but while I thought the whole cast were uniformly good, Park So-Dam was particularly great as Ki Jung/Jessica.

Roz, Monday, 23 September 2019 14:31 (one year ago) link

the sheer level of craft on display in like every second of this thing just puts so, so much other shit to shame, even if there's some stuff near the end that faltered a teensy bit for me

Simon H., Monday, 23 September 2019 14:42 (one year ago) link

even the "eccentric" ending that you aren't allowed to talk about wasn't enough to undo how fine this movie was. Best Bong Joon Ho since The Host.

calzino, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 07:58 (one year ago) link

It was actually the climax I took slight exception to; felt less inventive than the rest of the movie

Simon H., Tuesday, 24 September 2019 08:51 (one year ago) link

there are a few things I didn't like about the last act, but just minor quibbles really, after seeing a totally ace director back on his game after making dross like Snowpiercer and that awful tv movie, I'm not going to criticise them.

calzino, Tuesday, 24 September 2019 10:12 (one year ago) link

two weeks pass...

Good interview/profile of Bong Joon-Ho: https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/bong-joon-ho-parasite.html

Roz, Tuesday, 8 October 2019 12:57 (eleven months ago) link

I totally agree with "Best Bong Joon Ho since The Host" but that's not much of a bar to rise to. This was good! It was not great.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 17 October 2019 04:18 (eleven months ago) link

Finding out that Bong storyboards the shit out of his films and then gives the actors the storyboards as scripts explained a lot to me. He's filming comic books i think and there's nothing wrong with that. Some of those shots (the "ghost" surprising the child rising from the downstairs in particular) feel indelible for it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 17 October 2019 04:20 (eleven months ago) link

OK, it's out this weekend in most of North America. Let's go

Anyway, saw it last night and it absolutely floored me. It's pretty much the movie that I wanted Us to be.

otm. I didn't think it was a masterpiece, but close. pacing felt off in the finale, feel like some momentum was lost between the family suddenly coming home and the birthday party. I loved that ending of course, but was shocked that there were 30 mins left when the rich couple fucked on the couch.

I thought Burning was better but this is a more accessible movie about class/wealth stratification in South Korea. Glad it's doing such great business.

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:08 (eleven months ago) link

by Bong I've only seen this and The Host, which was fine but nothing special. did Okja ever come out on disc?

flappy bird, Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:09 (eleven months ago) link

thought this was fine

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:21 (eleven months ago) link

burning was a lot better, on similar themes

be goose, do crimes (||||||||), Saturday, 26 October 2019 21:22 (eleven months ago) link

This movie was just awesome. Kid wanted to see it (she’s into kpop so it made sense.)

nathom, Saturday, 26 October 2019 22:23 (eleven months ago) link

This is something else.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Sunday, 27 October 2019 01:45 (ten months ago) link

as far as class warfare movies go, i would say

Burning=Shoplifters > La Ceremonie =Parasite >>>>Snowpiercer=Sorry to Bother You

still need to see Us, Ready or Not, Hustlers

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 27 October 2019 03:15 (ten months ago) link

It's pretty much the movie that I wanted Us to be.

Oh good, other people picked up on the doppelganger element. I liked it as a black comedy of inequality and the "problems" of one-percenter parents. The subsequent excursion into thriller/horror fits, but I agree that the film would have profited from a tightening up of the running time.

Anne Hedonia (j.lu), Sunday, 27 October 2019 23:10 (ten months ago) link

I loved Us! I think as much as Get Out

haven't seen Parasite yet but based on Okja, Snowpiercer I'm only somewhat hopeful

Dan S, Sunday, 27 October 2019 23:24 (ten months ago) link

Parasite is so much better than either Okja or Snowpiercer.

Roz, Monday, 28 October 2019 01:55 (ten months ago) link

never seen okja but snowpiercer is hot garbage.

Memories of Murder and Mother are both capital G Great films and The Host is a double capital G Great Genre film

i've avoided seeing Okja because he is sure as shit gonna make me feel for the big hippo thing and then kill it. i've played the last guardian; can't fool me again

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 28 October 2019 03:41 (ten months ago) link

I liked this a lot. The symbolism is club-you-over-the-head, but it works despite/because of that. And it's pretty funny through the first two-thirds. I didn't mind the ending, it felt like that was where it was always headed.

this was kind of a hot mess? it definitely shook me but i'm not sure i enjoyed the ride. idk so many "powerful" things leave me feeling exhausted these days.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 18:19 (ten months ago) link

Didn't really seem like a mess to me, I thought it was pretty tightly constructed.

oh no it was extremely tight of course (although maybe there were some pacing / pov issues near the end that could have been handled more carefully?), it was just too slickly constructed and hyper-meaningful for my tastes. like i think i respect that it's aiming to be a shakespearean tragedy about capitalism but it's also in the form of a 32 oz monster energy drink and it was all too much for me tbh.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:37 (ten months ago) link

i mean i definitely *felt* a lot during this movie but it was ultimately kind of exhausting. of course it was also funny throughout but the humor was also too frenetic for me. like i laughed louder when renee zelwegger pushed the bad sculpture off its pedestal in front of her ex's house in the otherwise very sad but also similarly profound judy garland biopic that i saw last weekend, maybe because the humorous moment had a bit more space around it and r.z.'s performance in that movie is extremely good.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:44 (ten months ago) link

there's several indelible images stuck in my mind from this film even now (the "ghost" shocking the boy eating cake, the kick down the stairs, shaving peachfuzz) but this isn't a super thoughtful or challenging movie... i'm fairly certain it was never meant to be.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:52 (ten months ago) link

the image stuck in my head is the dogs eating the meat on the skewer stuck in the corpse

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:58 (ten months ago) link

yeah that's a good one

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 19:59 (ten months ago) link

at least what it says about the trauma of capitalism is true. it may not be super challenging or whatever but it's otm, and in the form of a slapstick comedy/thriller. for instance, how the trauma of capitalism perpetuates itself across generations and how it's larger than any bogeyman character. idk these aren't exactly the easiest concepts to present in a mainstream film? but tbh i don't watch very many movies so.

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:05 (ten months ago) link

quoting myself upthread but if you want to see some other films in the same vein that are as good/better:

Burning=Shoplifters > La Ceremonie =Parasite >>>>Snowpiercer=Sorry to Bother You

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:07 (ten months ago) link

haha thanks though i'm not sure i have it in me to watch a film with similar themes for .. a while

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:08 (ten months ago) link

it's also in the form of a 32 oz monster energy drink and it was all too much for me tbh.

haha, yeah that's a fair description.

Its central arguments and symbolism are super on-the-nose, but for me they landed with some oomph because the writing, acting and filmmaking were all sharp and often funny. (Until they weren't.) The long scene where they descend and descend and descend from the rich house to their semi-basement apartment, in a growing flood, only to find their home literally submerged in shit — on the paper that's grindingly obvious, but in the execution it was scary and heartbreaking.

I actually liked this more than Burning — or enjoyed it more, I guess. I liked Burning but it felt a little remote to me, unsurprising given its source material.

i dunno, there's so many moments in Burning that felt like pure honest complex dreams to me. it's a more mystical film i guess, don't think i'd say remote?
my sense is that a lot of folks who fell head over heels for parasite (and why it's so very popular) is that audiences are self-congratulating themselves on appreciating the complex class issues of what amounts to a cartoon. but maybe i'm being snobby i dunno.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:17 (ten months ago) link

i have at least four friends who basically never see movies who were raving to me about how brilliant this was and i feel like a total dorkus malorkus saying "yeah, i love the director and i saw this twice and it was... very good" and then they're all like "WHY DON'T YOU LOVE IT?!?!?" and there's no way to adequately explain that without referencing a lot of his films and other people's films that i know they haven't seen.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:19 (ten months ago) link

maybe the right answer to "why don't you love it" is to give them a thumb drive with Mother and Memories of Murder on it and ask them to check back with me in three months when they get around to watching it to see it they agree?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:21 (ten months ago) link

i was SO taken with those two movies and then host was such a great oddball genre film that i was psyched to go wherever this guy wanted to go and then, well, snowpiercer.
with parasite, i think i've come to the conclusion that Bong is an immense and great stylist but that he's not going to likely level up into something more highbrow and affecting now that he has more money and fame a'la Park Chan Wook or Lynch. Maybe you could make a comparison to Miike? Dunno.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:24 (ten months ago) link

Yeah he's definitely more of a populist/popcorn director than e.g. Lee Chang-dong. But he's an interesting and talented one, I think. I agree that Mother is probably his best movie, and it is surprising in a lot of ways — stylistically and narratively — that Parasite isn't.

i really like him! i'm just in the unpleasant indie fuck position of being unable to avoid saying "his earlier films are much better"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqjR1gHyIQ
in any case your post made me realize i should see more Chang-dong, so thanks for that! recommendation for the best one to jump into?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:36 (ten months ago) link

Besides Burning I only know Secret Sunshine and Poetry, both good.

will try poetry and report back

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 4 November 2019 20:40 (ten months ago) link

mother was the one for me too

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:19 (ten months ago) link

it's been a while but i remember thinking it was on par with great hitchcock

cheese canopy (map), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:20 (ten months ago) link

I liked this a lot more than Burning but I would never think to compare them.

Simon H., Monday, 4 November 2019 21:24 (ten months ago) link

So weird how people keep referring to the family in this as 'con artists' they are all clearly very good at the job they were hired to do. She's amazing with the kid, he turns corners incredibly smoothly and is nice, gentle company. The house is spotless.

plax (ico), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:22 (seven months ago) link

I think the script cut a corner on showing how effortlessly good they were at everything they put their hand to (including the con artistry, of course)

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:27 (seven months ago) link

The con part is in their credentials, which is simply a gatekeeping mechanism to keep undesirable people out

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:30 (seven months ago) link

The dad frequently takes his eyes off the road while driving

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:38 (seven months ago) link

“Unlikable characters” is a fake idea and banned.

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

Nah

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:39 (seven months ago) link

I don't massively care about likeability -- and almost never think of it if I go to films by myself -- but the person I was with didn't much care for it because of this.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:44 (seven months ago) link

whom amongst us is truly likeable

mh, Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:53 (seven months ago) link

Think it’s weird to want characters to be “likable”

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:54 (seven months ago) link

I'm trash!

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:54 (seven months ago) link

I don't care about films being likable, but there is a growing sect of folk who seem to conflate character POV with filmmaker POV

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 February 2020 22:57 (seven months ago) link

The lack of niceties among the family is kind've the point, they have to focus 24/7 on the game because they have no safety net. Added to the urgency of the film for me.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:11 (seven months ago) link

xp I call this the Nomi Malone effect.

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Sunday, 23 February 2020 23:12 (seven months ago) link

So weird how people keep referring to the family in this as 'con artists' they are all clearly very good at the job they were hired to do. She's amazing with the kid, he turns corners incredibly smoothly and is nice, gentle company. The house is spotless.

― plax (ico), Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:22 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

The con part is in their credentials, which is simply a gatekeeping mechanism to keep undesirable people out

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:30 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is almost a good point but it's not just the credentials; they poison the cleaning lady and frame the driver!

flopson, Monday, 24 February 2020 02:19 (seven months ago) link

i found everyone likeable except Mr Park. even then, he wasn't like evil, just a haughty dork

in a way i kind of agree with the twitter dumbasses screenshotted upthread tbh. it's not that the movie is "apolitical" but the characters are not themselves politicized. the Kims, though likeable and charismatic, aren't noble and have no solidarity with the other working class people they encounter. the Parks are aloof but pay their workers well and care about their kids; Ms Kim seems to feel genuinely bad about letting go of the driver and cleaning lady. a leftist who watched the movie would probably root for the Kims throughout (i did) but a less political person probably wouldn't; they might even except their comeuppance. the level of inequality is deplorable but not everything the Kims do is necessitated by circumstance, they aren't fully absolved by their position in the system. i suspect part of the reason people don't like the ending is because they don't feel Mr Park deserved to be murdered in front of his kids.

the ambiguity stands in p sharp contrast to okja and snowpiercer which are much more allegorical. i think BJH wanted to critique social inequality but not in a way that was too obvious. the best critique is just to accurately portray it, making all the different dimensions of class palpable and cleverly incorporating them into plot points.

flopson, Monday, 24 February 2020 02:54 (seven months ago) link

Something I was struck by in the movie is that there's a huge lack of class solidarity between the various working class people. What inspired you to write the relationships that way?

You point out something very important. You know, in Mother, you see the have nots and the needy clawing at each other and hurting one another. On the other hand, in The Host, you see the solidarity between them, they save each other and they gather their strengths together. And you could say Parasite is closer to Mother, where the weak and have nots are fighting one another. And that's sad, but it's also realistic. And from those moments, you get this element of sadness, but also the comedy, as well.

flopson, Monday, 24 February 2020 03:00 (seven months ago) link

the murder of mr. park is prob the moment where the script comes closest to tipping over.

call all destroyer, Monday, 24 February 2020 03:43 (seven months ago) link

From a dramatic perspective one thing that works really well is the number of times it seems like they're going to get found out, but they don't. The kid saying they all smell the same, the blackmail/hostage by the former housekeeper, hiding under the coffee table, the kid seeing the morse code.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 24 February 2020 09:35 (seven months ago) link

"it's not that the movie is "apolitical" but the characters are not themselves politicized. the Kims, though likeable and charismatic, aren't noble and have no solidarity with the other working class people they encounter."

I think this kind of fracturing of class solidarity was very well done where work either isn't available or where it's precarious.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 24 February 2020 10:29 (seven months ago) link

Haven't read but leaving it here:

I wrote a (very long) analysis for @TropicsM about reading colonialism and war in Parasite, and why a vision for Korean peace that encompasses decolonization in North America + US unincorporated territories is necessary. https://t.co/9AWcFCDj9s

— Chosun Chillbo (@hermit_hwarang) February 17, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 11:36 (seven months ago) link

Ned posted that earlier. Worth the read.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:28 (seven months ago) link

Sorry not in the last 50

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 12:42 (seven months ago) link

The fact that his “Dear Leader” is none other than Dong-ik, paragon of South Korea’s neoliberal and neocolonial present, raises the question of which side of the DMZ is the true dystopia.

Um...

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:03 (seven months ago) link

All due respect to the writer, but I really don't think Bong Joon-ho meant for the film to be read as pro North Korea propaganda

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:08 (seven months ago) link

lol

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 26 February 2020 13:55 (seven months ago) link

Fucking hell @ a reading of this article on Parasite as North Korea propaganda.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:08 (seven months ago) link

lol

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:11 (seven months ago) link

pvmic

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:12 (seven months ago) link

"Bong has left the task of dreaming up to us. Division and war are not Korea’s destiny, and the path to reunification and peace will only become clearer the further we walk it."

Sounds like a love letter to Dear Leader to me

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:15 (seven months ago) link

loooooool. did you just literally quote where you were in the article?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:17 (seven months ago) link

"Da-song, the Park’s rambunctious young son, first appears when he fires a plastic arrow at Ki-woo."

Sounds like propaganda to me

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:18 (seven months ago) link

I think you need to read this another five times. Or maybe do a Google translate into Danish?

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:19 (seven months ago) link

Hey, anything is better than wasting more time on you

Frederik B, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:20 (seven months ago) link

Looool

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 26 February 2020 14:20 (seven months ago) link

this is a movie about the excellent grift that is personal tuition tbh

strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:16 (six months ago) link

Someone told me they were talking about it with a client, who thought the house was lovely but it was a shame about all the violence. I suspect this would be a common view among the kind of people you don't really know.

panic-buying the upmarket pasta (Matt #2), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:30 (six months ago) link

please check your basement https://t.co/6X2rfkmv3p

— ponyo fishy in the sea (@niazahraaa) March 19, 2020

groovypanda, Friday, 20 March 2020 10:24 (six months ago) link

👍

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 22 March 2020 21:49 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

Finally seen this (working my way through the ILX top 20 movies of 2019) and agree it is brilliant. Watched the first two thirds one night and it felt like two incredible stand-alone episodes, third part was also excellent, was never going to survive being watched separately, but it wasn't a let-down.
My extra thought was: this premise would not work in the UK, they would be found out as non-U immediately, which is kind of telling and a bit depressing. Also the rich mother reminded me of so many of my adult students in China.
My wife knows a lot about feng shui and she says the house seemed like it was constructed to have the worst feng shui possible, so interesting to find out it was made for the film.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 21:15 (four months ago) link

I'd be interested in a critique of the Parasite house from a feng shui perspective. Mind, I know little and consider it mostly BS, but this would be a really good teaching example. No one seems to have done this (in English), all I've learned from Google is that the Pyeongchang neighborhood of the Park residence has overly powerful feng shui.

speaking moistly (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 21:57 (four months ago) link

My attitude to feng shui is that it's technically bs, yes, but also that it works as a post-factual rationalisation of some solid underlying rules which make spaces feel better or worse to be in. As someone who usually dreams about buildings and spaces rather than people or images, I feel like feng shui generally makes places feel better for whatever reason. I am fascinated by films which use trick architecture - The Shining and Rosemary's Baby of course, but also some otherwise bad films like Dream Demon and various mediocre Agatha Christie adaptations.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 29 April 2020 22:20 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Heading to Criterion with extra stuff, including a B&W version of the film

https://www.criterion.com/films/30619-parasite

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:01 (two months ago) link

still love this movie but this mini trend of "B&W versions" as supplements (see also Fury Road) is awful

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:25 (two months ago) link

unfortunately boring cover art as well

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:26 (two months ago) link

Agreed, especially considering just how many striking images there are in the film.

Only just finally caught up with the film, btw. Unsurprisingly for me, I thought it worked far better in terms of craftsmanship than message. I do think the final ten minutes (everything post-birthday party) could have been summed up in one or two poignant shots, but whatever--I'm glad this was the hit that it was and that Bong Joon-Ho can probably do whatever he wants to do next.

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:08 (two months ago) link

The cover art for their new Pierrot Le Fou is boring af as well.

Heavy Messages (jed_), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:19 (two months ago) link

The Fury Road was IIRC Miller working specifically to create something detailed rather than going "LOL run it through a filter" but who knows.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:25 (two months ago) link

the b&w Fury Road was discussed in advance as Miller wanting to do a new cut that also removed as much dialogue as possible, but afaict from a cinema viewing, was just a conversion - but it's definitely a sensitive and careful conversion, not just "turning the colour down"

bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:51 (two months ago) link

Fury Road is also a pretty explicit tribute to Buster Keaton and the visual language of the silent era. Parasite otoh has so many specific detailed lighting & color choices that carry so much thematic weight, the idea of intentionally taking that stuff out is almost perverse.

turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:11 (two months ago) link

Don't forget Logan Noir in terms of B/W versions.

One Eye Open otm, it seems to work against so many of the the most gorgeous shots in the movie.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:18 (two months ago) link

Incorporating morse code into the cover art is one of those "better in concept than execution" things, imo. Too subtle I guess.

Irritable Baal (WmC), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 22:43 (two months ago) link


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