Brexit - what is going to happen?

i have another position which i will explain:

lol we’re all gonna die

oh dear, i forgot the correct answer

No way is the UK government going to cold turkey their way out of the sweet "Blame The EU" addiction they've been using for ages now.

I suspect that seeing as how in play it has been so productive to empowering the far-right that has now taken hold of the country, its hard to believe they're really incentivised to actually resolve it in some way. However, the idea that once we leave or stay or w/e its going to be over is nonsense anyway. One of the most bizarre complaints that you hear in the press from vox-poppers with seemingly no basic comprehension skills (alongside 'get on with it') is that they're sick of hearing about it. You fucking voted for it, you're going to be hearing about it for possibly decades. Future trade agreements, future arrangements with the eu, possibly renogiating the withdrawal bill, all this stuff is going to take years and they will be years during which the pound is stagnating further and people will still look at their neighbours with mean looks on their faces. I suspect, as I always have, a fudge accepted because it comes from someone (like johnson) "entitled" to muddle through like that. Flags waved "we love our queen" hopefully less foreign sounding voices on public transport.

I think it was gyac who suggested a few threads ago that on the metric of "could there be other / no politics in the newspapers, please", revocation is the obvious choice - not that it will be the end of Brexit, nothing will be the end of Brexit, but it will reduce it back to one note.

I still, in late 2019, think a second referendum will somehow fix everything
Also literally no-one who is not Tony Blair thinks this, but the people a referendum would primarily benefit are only non-UK Europeans, so hey ho.

also uk migrants living in other eu countries

Still feels like every single possibility other than second referendum is possible

But if pushed I'm somewhere between "Delayed/fudged indefinitely" and "No deal". Its not in the interests of a lot of the main players to resolve such a thriving cottage industry

i have another position

well, possibilities that aren't in the poll

somewhere between:

there will be some sort of deal and everything will work out basically terrible

and

BJ can push a backstab narrative and win a majority (but it won't be cancelled)

with a side order of

The UK must be destroyed but as per every other scenario the poor and marginalized will suffer worst of all and non-poor non-citizens will suffer next worst

my main answer is I am British and at this point have no idea what is going on
and a little bit of I just long for the sweet embrace of national death now
but I guess overall it's Britain needs to have its face rubbed in shit, poor people will be even more fucked though, that's bad

my assumption (this time round - I was v scared of No Deal in March - I might have got this the wrong way round) throughout the summer was There will be some sort of deal, and I guess a deal would hopefully avoid major sudden disaster scenarios - so I suppose that counts as basically ok, but "basically" is doing a lot of work there - while things get slowly shitter and meanwhile Leavers say that it wasn't as bad as we said therefore we all lied and also it's a betrayal

but the news looks more and more like No Deal every day, and we're left guessing if it's just what our ruling pair of sociopaths want us to think or if they really will go for it, or whether they've miscalculated the competence of the opposition or the likelihood of the EU to budge and we'll all end up with No Deal even if it is only a bluff. in which case probably Stuff will be awful for a while, then it will get worse, then fuck knows

eh

I believe it can and/or will be delayed or fudged indefinitely

...was my initial thought, but since the Tories are at the point where they're attempting some sort of hostile coup to push this bollocks through then it's probably a bit late for it.

Poll needs a "Brexit? What's that?" option like that temporarily-homeless woman Johnny Harris interviewed somewhere or other.

When the 'Eternal Sunshine' targeted memory wipe is invented I shall excise all knowledge of the word Brexit from my mind, otherwise I'll be thinking about it for the rest of my life (however long that is the way things are going eh).

Voted Britain needs to have its face rubbed in shit, poor people will be even more fucked though, that's bad

Voted

Stuff will be awful for a while, then it will get worse, then fuck knows

But sovereignty!

guerilla warfare in this country

not sure how that affects parliamentary arithmetic soz

everyone else also otm tho

On Mon/Tues I can see a new law being passed which will provoke a GE.

If Boris wins - lol we're all going to die.

If Corbyn wins he will save us all.

If it's hung parliament we will die, but it's slower more painful kind.

"Also literally no-one who is not Tony Blair thinks this, but the people a referendum would primarily benefit are only non-UK Europeans, so hey ho."

You mean people who only have a EU country passport? How would a 2nd ref benefit them?

not getting booted out

2nd ref benefiting anyone quite assumes it could be won - big assumption given continuity_remain have shown no propensity to win the thing against backdrop of rising credibility of no deal as an option

feeling somewhere betw “stuff will be awful for a while, then it will get worse, then fuck knows” and “I long for the sweet release of death”

What does “national death” mean and how sweet a release will it be tho

think its just a pun on national debt but it may be trolling idk weka

not getting booted out

― plax (ico), Sunday, 1 September 2019 bookmarkflaglink

Revoking art 50 is a guarantee of that.

I know this might be further away...but it's one of the many oddities of the PV crowd.

Well I won’t be voting for something if I don’t know what it means. Not making that mistake again xp

wont be fooled again by the WTO

second ref has always been an intricate and a dicey three-step:
1a: establish the questions in a non-disastrous way
1b: win vote for it to take place
2: actually win it

(best order of 1a and 1b entirely unclear btw)

much of the agitation for it -- i won't say all but a LOT -- has suggested the agitators had no plans in place beyond a wild hope (and sneers in all directions) to obtain the result they needed at ANY of these stages

I voted for the last option, my prediction:

We crash out with no deal, the tories call a GE immediately afterwards and somehow throw the election so Labour get in. Labour end up taking all of the blame for the post Brexit crash / chaos while the Tories rake in the profits from shorting the pound. The right wing press hammer the point that this is all Labours fault, and Labour don't get in power again for 3 or 4 elections.

I'd prefer: General strike > revoke a50 > GE where Corbyn gets in > public trials resulting in everyone linked with Cambridge Analytica / Leave.EU being locked up > mandatory town hall style reconcilliation meetings to reunite communities > Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism

the way the second ref happens is for it to be a Lib Dem stipulation for working with Labour in a coalition or confidence and supply government after a GE.

that doesn’t feel so far fetched to me. tho the question about who gets to put the questions on there is still problematic.

There are some lunatics who want it to be between revoke and no deal ffs.

e tories call a GE immediately afterwards and somehow throw the election so Labour get in. Labour end up taking all of the blame for the post Brexit crash

The tories don't need to throw an election or have Labour in power to do this. Also an immediate post no deal GE is the best path to victory for them. No Farage Party, Tory vote mobilized

Very true, but do you think they can be arsed to deal with the consequences of their actions?

i voted "Stuff will be awful for a while, then it will get worse, then fuck knows", but i am an american and i'm imposing that worldview on this poll

Very true, but do you think they can be arsed to deal with the consequences of their actions?

― help yourself to another slice of apple ... crumble (Willl),

Depends what you mean by "deal with" but if you mean stay in power then yes 100%

I voted for revolution obv

until march i believed in a 2nd referendum which will solve everything as i thought the british people are rational enough to choose wisely at this point of time. but i voted Britain needs to have its face rubbed in its own shit as i lost that belief in the mean time.

i thought the british people are rational enough to choose wisely at this point of time

hideous poll pls do again with more options

i made my decision

We should submit this as the people’s vote ballot paper

Voted 'delayed or fudged indefinitely', because we are in purgatory.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i've consumed a fair amount of news on this (for an American) and still have no fucking idea what's going on

high point: drinking barium before a scan in the hospital whilst watching the House of Commons the other day

I’m in the same boat, this thread has been more helpful than the other brexit thread which is virtually impenetrable for this yank

Brexit is....

Yakkity Sax is playing and Benny Hill is in the far sped up rushing around looking for the sixties dolly birdsbut he can’t find them. There are no more sixties dolly birds but he keeps rushing and Yakkity sax keeps playing round and round and round again....

Brexit is a civil war re-enactment society event that got out of hand

Don't think I have come across an English civil war reenactment before but the analogy seems all too direct.
Divine right of ex-Etonians vs Parliament ?
Such a shame he won't get beheaded for it though.
Is Corbyn a puritanical rounded though?

Closer to a Digger, iirc

I thought I posted 'puritanical roundhead' but digger sounds a bit closer anyway.

Voted 'Britain needs to have its face rubbed in shit, poor people will be even more fucked though, that's bad', although I lament the conspicuous absence of references to EU citizens across the range of options.

Nihilism aside, I frankly have no idea.

I actually need the money I get for writing for a UK magazine every month, and I worry that if Brexit happens the economic damage may cause that magazine to go under. Which would also suck for all the people who work there.

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fair result

It will be cancelled so that BJ can push a backstab narrative and win a majority retreat to a position of safety from where he can pifflepaffle a load of bollocks like he's been doing his whole life, eventually ascend the parliamentary throne once more when he sees an easy chance and fuck it up all over again.

HI DIE HI REASONABLE PEOPLE
IT'S REIGN OF BLOOD

^ otm

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/14/exclusive-new-uk-banks-post-brexit-investment-only-one-third-of-lost-eu-funds

https://i.imgur.com/vz73HhE.jpg

lol we’re all gonna die

― Gareth Jones, Godzilla’s assistant (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 1 September 2019 08:49 (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Would feel confident about placing a bet on a rail disaster, bridge collapse or something like climate change causing an event of the magnitude seen in Libya last week.

somewhere between:

there will be some sort of deal and everything will work out basically terrible

and

BJ can push a backstab narrative and win a majority (but it won't be cancelled)

with a side order of

The UK must be destroyed but as per every other scenario the poor and marginalized will suffer worst of all and non-poor non-citizens will suffer next worst

this lad was onto something

What are a Labour govt going do about the huge hole in infrastructure investment, they've already suggested fixing the defunded NHS with AI.

They could use OceanGate's patented real-time acoustic monitoring system on all aging concrete and steel infrastructure. For example, this system would provide advance notice seconds before a huge fucking bridge might collapse over the M62 during peak rush hour.

Lol @ the orange and purple bars at the end of the graph looking like an up middle finger

lol! fuck you, infrastructure

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/athfwiki/images/7/7b/Err.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20210105081316

well it was worth a shot, stupid webp format

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