Let's have a fangirl freakout over Greta Gerwig's LITTLE WOMEN (Saoirse Ronan, Emma Watson, Florence Pugh, Laura Dern, Meryl Streep, Timothée Chalamet)

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Trailer is up, and it looks wonderful. Out Christmas Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AST2-4db4ic

Herman Woke (cryptosicko), Thursday, 15 August 2019 02:58 (one year ago) link

On board

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 15 August 2019 03:52 (one year ago) link

This is the greatest cast I’ve seen for anything in ages.

akm, Thursday, 15 August 2019 05:41 (one year ago) link

this tweet still otm

I’m sorry I’m still not over the PRECISION of casting Timothee Chalamet as LAURIE, the literature character who embodies so many young people’s first experience with fuckboi heartbreak pic.twitter.com/y17mEEUcL3

— alanna bennett (@AlannaBennett) June 19, 2019

Roz, Thursday, 15 August 2019 10:57 (one year ago) link

Louis Garrel!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 10:58 (one year ago) link

This is the greatest cast I’ve seen for anything in ages.

― akm, Thursday, 15 August 2019 06:41 (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i mean the new safdies film has sandler, judd hirsch, trinidad james and mike francesa

devvvine, Thursday, 15 August 2019 11:04 (one year ago) link

I think this is the first time I am feeling Chalamet.

Yerac, Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:47 (one year ago) link

I would love to feel Chalamet

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:49 (one year ago) link

Here, have a peach...

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 15 August 2019 13:55 (one year ago) link

so compared to the 1933 Little Women...

Katherine Hepburn = Saoirse Ronan
Frances Dee = Emma Watson
Jean Parker = Eliza Scanlen
Joan Bennett = Florence Pugh

Intriguing.

Josefa, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:18 (one year ago) link

Don't forget the Winona Ryder version with Christian Bale as Laurie.

Yerac, Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:20 (one year ago) link

A more than respectable version too.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 15 August 2019 14:32 (one year ago) link

four months pass...

Laurie is always cast with the It Boy of the moment (Peter Lawford in the '40s).

opening of the book:

"Christmas won't be Christmas without any presents," grumbled Jo, lying on the rug.

"It's so dreadful to be poor!" sighed Meg, looking down at her old dress.

"I don't think it's fair for some girls to have plenty of pretty things, and other girls nothing at all," added little Amy, with an injured sniff.

"We've got Father and Mother, and each other," said Beth contentedly from her corner.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 December 2019 02:16 (nine months ago) link

The juxtaposition of past and present isn't done as expertly as I expected, but, my god, has this book ever been done badly? A small masterpiece of casting, rhythm, empathy. Louis Garrel and Timothee are perfectly cast.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 December 2019 03:54 (nine months ago) link

Excited for tomorrow.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 25 December 2019 04:08 (nine months ago) link

Guess what. It’s good

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 26 December 2019 03:05 (nine months ago) link

Wanted to take my ten-year-old niece to this, but my sister and my mom are claiming its too mature for her (they're thinking of taking her to fucking Cats). Without an excuse to see it in theatres, it'll probably be months before I get around to it, but I'm glad to hear it's good--I'd glanced at some mixed reviews (which I won't read until I've seen the film).

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 26 December 2019 03:22 (nine months ago) link

Like I said, the chronological hopscotching is often frantic, but it's so damn charming.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 03:24 (nine months ago) link

Saoirse Ronan and Florence Pugh should be in every movie

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 26 December 2019 03:40 (nine months ago) link

Dude, it's definitely NOT more mature than Cats. I have seen both and LW is totally all ages and a pretty great movie for families to see during the holidays.

flappy bird, Thursday, 26 December 2019 05:18 (nine months ago) link

has this book ever been done badly?

I've never wanted to see the 1949 MGM version w/ June Allyson, Elizabeth Taylor, Margaret O'Brien and Janet Leigh. Also, they did it on TV in the '70s with Laurie Partridge and Jan Brady.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 December 2019 11:33 (nine months ago) link

I've seen both!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 11:42 (nine months ago) link

you would!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 December 2019 11:43 (nine months ago) link

10 yrs old is a perfect age for Little Women.

Yerac, Thursday, 26 December 2019 12:31 (nine months ago) link

I thought so too.

The 1949 LW is solid.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Thursday, 26 December 2019 14:56 (nine months ago) link

killer cast, tons of love coming off the screen, no experience with the story prior to now and the out-of-sequence hamburger of a script didn't much help me give a damn about any of these characters
a lot of gerwig trying to have her cake and eat it to with regard to anachronistic takes on the characters outcomes but she's a very good director.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 26 December 2019 19:08 (nine months ago) link

Timothee is my new crush.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 19:23 (nine months ago) link

too little womany

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 December 2019 19:25 (nine months ago) link

Seen more than one criticism that the film doesn’t do enough to get you invested in the characters if you’re not familiar with the story but I don’t think it’s such a sin to expect the audience to know the story already.

The scenes of the characters exploding in motion and chatter all at once feel like beautiful direction from Gerwig, to me. The heart of the movie.

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 26 December 2019 20:12 (nine months ago) link

I agree, and it's one of the world's best-selling novels. Get over it!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 20:14 (nine months ago) link

Have not yet seen ‘19 but my wife showed me ‘94 on Christmas and I was moved. Cried at Beth’s first death scare but maybe too stoned, full, and emotionally spent by the time it finally happened. Cast was uniformly great and I’m eager to see Gillian Armstrong’s other work. She seems to have an eye for Aussie talent based on her films and music videos - working early with Cate Blanchett and Nicole Kidman. Anyway, excited for the new one but would love to hear from those who love the (most recent) old one. Kirsten Dunst was a highlight for me and it was interesting to see Christian Bale and Samantha Mathis coupled before of American Psycho.

Yelploaf, Thursday, 26 December 2019 20:36 (nine months ago) link

'94 little women is really good! my favorite version so far, tho i'm looking fwd to this one

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 26 December 2019 20:40 (nine months ago) link

I'd rank them:

1994
1933
2019
1949
1978

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 20:44 (nine months ago) link

I was just googling and I hadn't even heard of this pbs version from last year that has Maya Hawke playing Jo.

Yerac, Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:07 (nine months ago) link

didn't know there was a 1978 version, but it looks about as '70s as you can get. jan brady as beth!

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:19 (nine months ago) link

Professor SHATNER

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:27 (nine months ago) link

There was one last year (direct to disc/streaming?) w/Lea Thompson as Marmee.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:31 (nine months ago) link

^^Not The PBS one.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:31 (nine months ago) link

I very much did not like Gabriel Byrne as the professor in the 1994 version. He seemed a thousand years old it. It felt very weird.

Yerac, Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:35 (nine months ago) link

Byrne aged quickly, like many Irishmen.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:42 (nine months ago) link

Wiped out after seeing this today because I spent about an hour straight in tears. This was my first exposure to the story at all, I’m assuming the dialogue was significantly modernized and or was great for that without drawing attention to itself. Really impressed with how well Pugh and the girl who played Beth played the same characters seven years apart, was almost like two completely different actresses in both cases.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:50 (nine months ago) link

if you've heard any Gerwig interviews, she incorporated a number of Alcott quotes (not from the novel) into the script.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 December 2019 21:58 (nine months ago) link

Ah that’s interesting, I didn’t read anything about the film going in

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 27 December 2019 00:53 (nine months ago) link

it's one of the world's best-selling novels. Get over it!

this is not empirically different from saying i shouldn't expect the star wars films to explain themselves. fandom is fandom; this is not my fandom. Characterization in general in this film was cardboard thin and then bailed out by superb performances.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 December 2019 07:24 (nine months ago) link

I've seen every version, and the women are archetypes more than characters. This is fine.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 December 2019 12:13 (nine months ago) link

It’s fine if that’s what you were expecting when you went in; I was not. Given the breathless and universal praise, it seems worth noting that this is - in addition to being spectacularly acted and wonderfully filmed - a bit of a soggy morality play and occasionally boring for it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 27 December 2019 12:29 (nine months ago) link

I wasn’t mad for Ladybird so I can’t remember if the quick cuts and rapid pace are her signatures?

Yeah I would say Ladybird and Frances Ha (which she wrote but didn't direct) both have this style. I found it much easier to digest in those movies because they're only focusing on one or two characters

Vinnie, Monday, 30 December 2019 19:52 (eight months ago) link

The 19th century produced several examples of more recognizably 20th century portraits of feminism: the novels of Charlotte Bronte (Jane Eyre, Shirley, Vilette), her sister Anne (The Tenant of Wildfeld Hall), Wilkie Collins, and Elizabeth Gaskell, not to mention the tough, complicated female characters in George Eliot and Henry James' fiction. Little Women outsold them all because it has a sentimental core inseparable from its aesthetic merit.

I wonder if those with cavils about Gerwig's version have seen the other film adaptations? I haven't seen anyone much mention Cukor and Armstrong's versions. They have scenes that even at the time audience members recoiled from. That's Alcott's material.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2019 19:55 (eight months ago) link

something like a doubling down of the opening of jane campion's portrait of a lady, so as to overlay and interweave the feminisms (and other political strands, re class and race and american empire blah blah) of different, more recent eras (1920s, 1970s, now) so that they jaggedly magnify ways the ideals (and loveliness) of the original is part and parcel with bad stuff as well as nice stuff, the ways we now wd heavily judge the LWs then -- and, hardest of all probably, vice versa

A good point, but the framing device using Jo and Dashwood, I think, did that? The closeup of the ink-stained fingers reminded me how some things never change.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2019 19:57 (eight months ago) link

ink stained fingers flying over the keyboard

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 30 December 2019 19:58 (eight months ago) link

btw I would've killed for a Campion or Sciamma adaptation! Sciamma's Portrait of a Lady on Fire finds the queerness in the conventional 18 th century setting (relationship between tutor/governess/artist and pupil).

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2019 19:59 (eight months ago) link

Idk, I liked how it is what it is and not trying to be within the wider context? I found Mrs March’s line to the black woman she was working with cringey as fuck, and that’s a Gerwig bit I think? Like the film makes this an observation itself later, when Jo is saying how no one wants to read domestic dramas and Amy disagrees with her.

glindr jackson (gyac), Monday, 30 December 2019 19:59 (eight months ago) link

I heard someone who’d clearly no knowledge of the story hiss “ah Jesus, the sister?!” so Alcott would be pleased to know she’s still boiling people’s piss with that choice ~150 years later.

glindr jackson (gyac), Monday, 30 December 2019 20:01 (eight months ago) link

To me, Mother March has always been the weakest link: the vessel through which a writer/director has communicated his/her "modern" POV, whether in 1933, the forties, 1994, or now; it has tripped up every actress because it's too obvious a Trojan horse for ideas about THE WAY WE LIVE NOW. Laura Dern looked particularly ill at ease because her Dern-ness accentuated what she's supposed to be doing too explicitly; plus, of course, I thought of her feminist speech in Marriage Story.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 December 2019 20:04 (eight months ago) link

Outside my comfort zone, to say the least, but well done, and I especially loved the last 10-15 minutes. Great job of capturing the awesome excitement of your book coming to publication, and I love happy endings in general. My brief engagement with classic literature was left behind at university 40 years ago, and Little Women wasn't part of it. So I was sometimes momentarily confused by past-present transitions, and, and I know I shouldn't be, by the relation of Jo March's life to her novel's story--was the story based on her life, or was I watching some kind of framing device? Basic stuff, sorry.

I avoid almost all advance discussion of films I plan to see, so I almost fell off my chair when Bob Odenkirk showed up as the father. Not that he's not a good actor who clearly can adapt to anything, but if you know him from The Larry Sanders Show and Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul--where he basically crawled out of Sweet Smell of Success, at least as relates to the first two--it's a real surprise.

clemenza, Sunday, 5 January 2020 21:17 (eight months ago) link

I loved this, and I loved the editing and time transitions, but...where was Odenkirk/Dad when Beth dies? I realize he's not shown in the later timeline until she introduces him returning in the past, but I'd seriously assumed he'd died in the intervening time.

akm, Sunday, 12 January 2020 16:12 (eight months ago) link

He's at her funeral, so he's around but the story's not about him, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Miami weisse (WmC), Sunday, 12 January 2020 16:25 (eight months ago) link

This was good! The rare new movie I can earnestly describe as "pleasant" without using it as a term to dismiss it.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:32 (eight months ago) link

i really liked this

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:34 (eight months ago) link

It's the only acclaimed film of the past four or five I've seen where I'm eager to see it again.

clemenza, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 17:50 (eight months ago) link

one of them for sure. certainly of the acclaimed films of this year, except maybe Parasite.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 18:06 (eight months ago) link

I'd be down for a LW/Parasite crossover sequel.

bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 19:15 (eight months ago) link

Jane Eyre / Parasite really more reasonable tbh

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 20:38 (eight months ago) link

I expected this to be fine, and it exceeded expectations, even Florence Pugh, who I hadn't remembered was the lead in Lady Macbeth.

Streep should do more of these sharply comic miniatures; she's turning into the Florence Bates of the 21st century.

Ronan should be winning some awards. I liked how GG gave her one quiet "Christopher Columbus" interjection, where Kate Hepburn's Jo bellowed it continuously.

I thought having them kill the Manson family at the end was a step too far, though.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:15 (eight months ago) link

Streep's garnered so many unearned nominations that when she finally gives a precisely comic supporting performance she's ignored.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:19 (eight months ago) link

fits in with disrespect for comedy as well

as for the complaints above, I think this version is as "dangerous" as it needs to be

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 January 2020 14:20 (eight months ago) link

Dream Team Cast:
Jo: Katherine Hepburn
Amy: Florence Pugh
Beth: Margaret O’Brien
Meg: Trini Alvarado
Laurie: Chalemet
Marmie: Mary Astor
Aunt Marsh: Lucile Watson
Freidrich: Paul Lukas
Mr Laurence: Sir C Aubrey Smith

Best house goes to 49.
Gerwig as director.
33 script.

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) January 26, 2020

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:30 (eight months ago) link

I see Astor as Aunt Marsh tho

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:39 (eight months ago) link

but she played Marmee in the '49 version (writing in her autobio "What was I doing there?"). He's not free-associating, he's picking all-stars.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:41 (eight months ago) link

i left the movie thinking it was of such little consequence. But now I remember that I really did enjoy the experience, and never once did it bog down to the point that I wished I was somewhere else or was checking my watch, and that is SO rare for me. I guess that means I liked it and it was good.(?)

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 17:37 (eight months ago) link

Chalamet-Hepburn chemistry would be incredible

symsymsym, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 18:00 (eight months ago) link

Chalamet-me chemistry, that’s what I want to see

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 18:02 (eight months ago) link

can't spell chalamet without me

symsymsym, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 18:07 (eight months ago) link

little women cast photographed with 1860 techniques this is the best thing i’ve ever seen pic.twitter.com/viPC2l7Z0q

— alice (@grangershug) February 2, 2020

🚶‍♂️💨 (Eric H.), Monday, 3 February 2020 22:21 (seven months ago) link

i thought this movie was sooooooooooo charming, as someone unfamiliar with the text and prior adaptations

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 3 February 2020 22:42 (seven months ago) link

I loved it! Although i thought the time-frame jumps may give me a heart failure.

piscesx, Saturday, 8 February 2020 04:29 (seven months ago) link

Loved it. Thought it was very “adult” ultimately, like a lot of great children’s media.

i am a horse girl (map), Saturday, 8 February 2020 07:15 (seven months ago) link

Some of the later sequences focusing on jo around beth’s death were very haunting and felt really contemporary in their depiction of loss and bewilderment

i am a horse girl (map), Saturday, 8 February 2020 07:18 (seven months ago) link

I looked at AO Scott's review again and he actually says Chalamet seems "more like a fifth March sister or an untrained puppy" than a love interest. lmfao & otm

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 February 2020 15:41 (seven months ago) link

to paraphrase a letterboxd comment i read the other day, laurie's a little woman

american bradass (BradNelson), Saturday, 8 February 2020 15:49 (seven months ago) link

well less so when he's Christian Bale

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 February 2020 15:51 (seven months ago) link

mmmm Chalamet and young Bale

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 February 2020 15:52 (seven months ago) link

an ideal hetero couple

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 8 February 2020 16:00 (seven months ago) link

took my daughter to this last night, loved it. The undercutting of the romantic climax with the conversation with the publisher probably the most audacious touch. Cast was uniformly great, Pugh the standout imo

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 16:04 (seven months ago) link

I mean, how do you update an adaptation of a story from the late 1800s, set in the late 1800s, for the 21st century? Give them lasers?

when Friedrich sits down at the piano toward the end, I half-expected him to play some cheeky 20thC pop piece, maybe a Tori Amos song lol

(granted that would've been p jarring)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:41 (seven months ago) link

three weeks pass...

I thought this was exquisite. I love Ronan and Chalamet's charisma is off the scale. It's worth mentioning, just because I haven't seen anyone else mention it, that Chris Cooper's performance as Mr. Lawrence is very moving.

Alain the Botton (jed_), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 03:53 (six months ago) link

Came in completeley unfamiliar to the story, previous versions. A few tonal bumps at the beginning I thought but a gorgeous film. Ronan is tremendous.

SQUIRREL MEAT!! (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 15 March 2020 20:54 (six months ago) link

omg, I had no idea that was Chris Cooper!!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:27 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

really liked this, super charming; i also never read the book or saw other versions, i can easily see why its a beloved story

gerwig imbues it w a lot of great, fun flourishes that really shine --ie pugh reacts to laurie's advances w/ "ive loved you my whole life" >> scene ends & we jump back 2 pugh as a younger teen making a mold of her foot to remind laurie how petite it is lmao

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 21 April 2020 13:28 (five months ago) link

i enjoyed this when i was watching it but it has felt shallower and more cloying in my memory

plax (ico), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 17:58 (five months ago) link

Never trust memory.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 April 2020 18:52 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

This should’ve whupped Parasite’s ass except the Academy has snob beef with happy endings

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 May 2020 05:49 (four months ago) link

they were both great imo, either would have been a worthy pick

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 25 May 2020 05:53 (four months ago) link

I just feel like I’ll probably watch this several more times and I’ve seen Parasite exactly enough

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 May 2020 05:55 (four months ago) link

A ton of recent winners had happy endings

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Monday, 25 May 2020 06:06 (four months ago) link

two months pass...

Great work from everyone in the cast and handsome production design, but the shuffled narrative didn't always work for me. Gerwig seemed to want to rush through many of the key earlier scenes from the novel just to get them out of the way (really, this is an adaptation of Book 2, if you follow the original publication history). Still, I can't say I didn't enjoy the experience of watching it.

A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Thursday, 20 August 2020 17:04 (one month ago) link


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