the jeffrey epstein memorial poll and conspiracy-mongering thread

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
Epstein got whacked 53
Epstein straight up killed himself without assistance 31
Epstein was slipped the means to commit suicide 29
(other) 10


Simon H., Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:05 (two months ago) link

Let's roll

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:06 (two months ago) link

To quote Antonin Artaud, he was suicided by society, just like Van Gogh.

pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:07 (two months ago) link

Mood. pic.twitter.com/9rSn0Kn1KP

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) August 10, 2019

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:09 (two months ago) link

If he’d been allowed to live, he might have revealed that Bill Clinton may have committed sexual misconduct, which would have been truly damaging to the Clinton legacy.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:15 (two months ago) link

Anyway, I voted for 'other': he's safe and sound, tucked away in a paradisiacal underground mansion, at a stone's throw from the earth's molten core.

pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:16 (two months ago) link

No 12 ft lizard option - no credibility

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:17 (two months ago) link

Do I legitimately think he was whacked? Not really, I feel like people powerful enough to kill someone in federal custody could have made it look like a stroke or heart attack or something.

Do I think he definitely could have been whacked? Absolutely. Is it worth playing with to further highlight that he was bros with 50% of the last 4 Presidents and a ton of rich assholes. Also absolutely.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:19 (two months ago) link

If he’d been allowed to live, he might have revealed that Bill Clinton may have committed sexual misconduct, which would have been truly damaging to the Clinton legacy.

I'm not one of those The Clintons Did It ppl but I hope we can all understand that what's alleged to have taken place on Epstein's place and elsewhere goes well beyond what Bill's been previously accused of

Simon H., Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:22 (two months ago) link

I think it's likely there was some intervention in his death.

Not only Clinton would've potentially been implicated in child trafficking,sex slavery and rape but also Dershowitz,Ehud Barak, Prince Andrew, and various influential figures in finance,business etc.

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:28 (two months ago) link

You know those murder mysteries where, as you read the first 40 pages, you discover that the corpse was at first thought to have committed suicide, but the circumstances arouse the suspicion of the canny detective (who is the hero of the book) and, upon investigation, the hero quickly finds at least a dozen people who had strong motives to murder the victim and all of them express open delight or relief in the victim's death? Yeah, this is kinda like that, am I right?

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:38 (two months ago) link

Epstein and Pac, jammin’ in Samoa.

... (Eazy), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:40 (two months ago) link

one for the "grain of salt" files

https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/

Simon H., Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:41 (two months ago) link

^ Premise of that article is that Epstein would not have been able to hang himself, stab himself, or bludgeon himself in that unit. It says nothing about, oh, let's say an overdose of fentanyl obtained from a guard for a small cash consideration.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:59 (two months ago) link

Voted "other" — dude absolutely faked his suicide and was whisked to freedom.

Been a slow education for (bernard snowy), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:12 (two months ago) link

Lol dudez

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:15 (two months ago) link

He hanged himself xp

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:16 (two months ago) link

as a supporter of the ‘what if his head just... did that’ explanation of jfk’s death, i believe we should give serious credence to the thought that epstein’s neck just... did that

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:22 (two months ago) link

People have spontaneous neck implosions every year, they’re just not widely reported

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:25 (two months ago) link

Of course...

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ? Yeah right! How does that happen#JefferyEpstein had information on Bill Clinton & now he’s dead

I see #TrumpBodyCount trending but we know who did this!

RT if you’re not Surprised#EpsteinSuicide #ClintonBodyCount #ClintonCrimeFamily pic.twitter.com/Y9tGAWaAxX

— Terrence K. Williams (@w_terrence) August 10, 2019

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:33 (two months ago) link

^^Retweeted by Yam.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:33 (two months ago) link

I guess he's....not surprised

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:34 (two months ago) link

He also retweeted a post about Clinton's trips to the island.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:36 (two months ago) link

I said this on the main politics thread, but his frothing desire to see the Clintons get theirs by any means possible, even if it means spotlighting a case he's been named in repeatedly, really highlights just how special his brain is

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:37 (two months ago) link

went with "(other)" because i feel like automatic "no way, no conspiracy, nothing to see here folks, move on pls!" talk is just as irresponsible, in its way, as "CLINTON BODY COUNT STRIKES AGAIN" shit.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:44 (two months ago) link

i think epstein committed suicide and the fact that he wasn't being adequately monitored was due to gross negligence and not conspiracy

Vape Store (crüt), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:47 (two months ago) link

^^^^

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:50 (two months ago) link

if it were just about anyone else I'd definitely agree with you

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:51 (two months ago) link

either killed or "other"

ciderpress, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:53 (two months ago) link

I'm somewhere between 'gross negligence' and 'allowed/encouraged' to do it '

gbx, Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:54 (two months ago) link

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:57 (two months ago) link

Negligence or guards just not giving a fuck. As I said on the other thread, some of the most infamous murderers in UK history, who you would expect would be watched extra carefully, have hung themselves in their cells.

Euripedes' Trousers (Tom D.), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:57 (two months ago) link

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

the latter is the case apparently, why he was taken off is an open question

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:59 (two months ago) link

Yeah - he was on suicide watch w/accompanying psychiatric interviews & whatnot for a while, they decided he wasn’t suicidal, and six days later he killed himself. Ppl framing it like “they conveniently gave him the means to kill himself” like he’s Frank Pentangeli from The Godfather I guess can’t conceive of a committed suicidal person biding their time, keeping up appearances, and not raising any red flags until they’re sure they can get away with it.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:11 (two months ago) link

It’s an “open question” only as much as you believe that mental health diagnosis and treatment in our nations esteemed prison system is foolproof, which if you do, that must be a nice way to live.

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:14 (two months ago) link

I...do not think that. I just think the particular circumstances (both how high-profile the case is and how suicide-proofed the facility is meant to be, still waiting for a contradictory take on the MCC) are sus

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:16 (two months ago) link

"Don't worry about anything, Jeffrey Epstein."
"Thanks, Alan--thanks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U89DzP8NGM4

clemenza, Sunday, 11 August 2019 01:18 (two months ago) link

conspiracy doesn't apply here

it's thunderingly obvious what essentially happened

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:20 (two months ago) link

Hillary used her ninja training to sneak into his cell and defeat him?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:23 (two months ago) link

i'm sure at a minimum JE was advised that "a Whitey Bulger" awaited him

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:24 (two months ago) link

Whitey Bulger lasted a lot longer.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:26 (two months ago) link

u guys do recall that Trump and the Clintons were pals for a couple decades, right?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 11 August 2019 02:33 (two months ago) link

Welp

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:23 (two months ago) link

assuming that d’angelo barksdale clip will get some mileage

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 11 August 2019 03:57 (two months ago) link

Died of SUICIDE on 24/7 SUICIDE WATCH ?

I notice posts that repeatedly say Epstein was on suicide watch and others that repeatedly say he was taken off suicide watch. That covers all the bases, I guess.

yeah, it's hard to watch. hasn't it been confirmed that he was recently taken off of suicide watch? i for one cannot believe trump wouldn't factcheck the people he retweets

Karl Malone, Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:18 (two months ago) link

lol

have you seen photos of the body? it’s obviously not him. my guess is, epstein’s on a private plane to somewhere in the middle east getting prepped for plastic surgery right now #EpsteinBodyDouble

— Foster The People (@fosterthepeople) August 11, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:23 (two months ago) link

Pumped Up Epps

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 11 August 2019 04:29 (two months ago) link

I knew this storyline felt like a retread

Remember when the Panama Papers revealed global level finance crimes and the only thing that happened was that the journalist who released them got killed?

— Joe Biden retire, bitch (@YourFriendCrud) August 10, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 11 August 2019 06:09 (two months ago) link

who even remembers at this point that the paradise papers followed that, to even less impact

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 07:25 (two months ago) link

reminder to self: don't invest with or take money from assholes

— Joi Ito (@Joi) March 12, 2008

Simon H., Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:31 (one month ago) link

whoops

maura, Sunday, 8 September 2019 01:35 (one month ago) link

only 468 people are talking about this?

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Sunday, 8 September 2019 06:11 (one month ago) link

I told the @nytimes everything. So did whistleblowers I was in touch with inside @MIT and @Edge. They printed none of the most damning truths. @joi is on the board of the NYT.

THANK GOD FOR @RonanFarrow https://t.co/MMFI9umhf2

— Xeni Jardin (@xeni) September 7, 2019

Simon H., Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:12 (one month ago) link

weird that the nyt would choose to prop up the ruling class, seems v out of character

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 September 2019 12:26 (one month ago) link

The MacArthur Foundation today accepted the resignation of Joi Ito as a member of our board and our affiliate @LeverforChange, effective immediately. We thank Ito for his service.

— MacArthur Foundation (@macfound) September 7, 2019

... (Eazy), Sunday, 8 September 2019 18:08 (one month ago) link

not sure what xeni is saying there; that she had the info in ronan's profile? he doesn't quote her anywhere.

akm, Sunday, 8 September 2019 18:25 (one month ago) link

That NYT didn't want to publish damning information on Ito, who coincidentally also sat on their board. I don't think she expected Farrow to quote her. I mean, she seems pretty happy that he exists :)

Frederik B, Sunday, 8 September 2019 19:23 (one month ago) link

the idea the times wouldnt report on this bc a dude that would be associated w epstein sat on their board seems several degrees more cynical abt the nyt newsroom than I'm willing to be even at this late date

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:37 (one month ago) link

Weird opinion

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Monday, 9 September 2019 05:38 (one month ago) link

Yeah, why is that hard to believe, D-40? And I mean, not just about the NYT.

Frederik B, Monday, 9 September 2019 09:52 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 00:01 (one month ago) link

voted wacked

davey, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:49 (one month ago) link

The only counterargument I can see to whacked is -- what good would that do anyone with so much documentation out there? OTOH, still easier to nab someone with his testimony than without.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 03:55 (one month ago) link

Dead men tell no tales

flappy bird, Tuesday, 10 September 2019 17:59 (one month ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 00:01 (one month ago) link

Bill Gates says he met with Jeffrey Epstein because he knew "a lot of rich people" https://t.co/xFAXrCxDQD pic.twitter.com/QcaVk52WZM

— The Verge (@verge) September 11, 2019

lag∞n, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 03:45 (one month ago) link

Among the guests on the list: Elon Musk, Joi Ito, Peter Thiel, Mark Zuckerberg, Priscilla Chan, Michelle Yee, and Reid Hoffman.

And of course Jeffrey Epstein.

It was in fact Hoffman’s executive assistant who sent out the list, according to the email signature.

— Anand Giridharadas (@AnandWrites) September 11, 2019

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:09 (one month ago) link

I hate to be that guy, but I'm not clear on how that implicates Thiel, Zuckerberg or Chan. Is it saying that everyone invited received a guest list in advance and knew Jeffrey Epstein would be there? And was this like a 10 person dinner or a hundred person dinner? I just think people shouldn't be sloppy with equating someone who kinda sorta traveled in the same circles with him to someone who took money from him, partied with him, went to his island etc.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:32 (one month ago) link

I mean honestly every super-rich person in America (on earth?) is probably one degree of separation from Jeffrey Epstein. Not that I think that highly of the super-rich, but they're not ALL pedophiles and/or pedophile enablers.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:35 (one month ago) link

Not implicating them (at least on my end, by sharing the tweet), but it’s good to know who he’s been a guest of honor with.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:37 (one month ago) link

it seems to be saying the knew in advance, yes?

Frederik B, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:39 (one month ago) link

I hate to be that guy, but I'm not clear on how that implicates Thiel, Zuckerberg or Chan. Is it saying that everyone invited received a guest list in advance and knew Jeffrey Epstein would be there? And was this like a 10 person dinner or a hundred person dinner? I just think people shouldn't be sloppy with equating someone who kinda sorta traveled in the same circles with him to someone who took money from him, partied with him, went to his island etc.

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, September 11, 2019 3:32 PM (thirteen minutes ago)

Baumé french cuisine moderne is served up by two-person staff serving few tables each service.

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:46 (one month ago) link

this was an intimate dinner with jeffrey

Seany's too Dyche to mention (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:47 (one month ago) link

I mean honestly every super-rich person in America (on earth?) is probably one degree of separation from Jeffrey Epstein. Not that I think that highly of the super-rich, but they're not ALL pedophiles and/or pedophile enablers.


yeah some of them are just in it purely for the adrenochrome

don’t bore us, get to the aeon of horus (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:48 (one month ago) link

alright I'm gonna stop being Abraham pleading to save Sodom then.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:51 (one month ago) link

i don't know the specifics of how public his previous "thing" was but i assume it wasn't exactly uncommon knowledge that the dude was busted right? at least in those circles. i don't know what level of fame he had before (first ILX mention afaict is from goole in 2015, related to the westminster paedo ring).

omar little, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 22:54 (one month ago) link

The super-rich apparently don't perform a basic Google search on who they might be meeting with.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 11 September 2019 23:21 (one month ago) link

If billionaires had to be careful to disassociate themselves from every sort of criminal billionaire, they have to figure out how to avoid associating with themselves.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 12 September 2019 03:09 (one month ago) link

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An anonymous massage therapist who claims to have been sexually assaulted by Kevin Spacey has died, according to a notice filed in court by the actor's attorneys.

The individual, suing as a "John Doe," filed claims in September 2018 with the allegation of being forced to grab the actor's genitals twice during a massage two years earlier at a private residence in Malibu. In May, a federal judge in California allowed the case to move forward despite Spacey's objection that the plaintiff's identity was being shielded.

Now, just a month after the parties came to a plan for proceeding in the suit that detailed prospective discovery and envisioned a seven- to 11-day trial, the plaintiff's attorney has informed Spacey that the client "recently passed."

Is it true the star Beetle Juice is going to explode in 2012 (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 September 2019 19:58 (three weeks ago) link

Why did Jeffrey Epstein’s private jet fly to Riyadh on the eve of the 2016 election? https://t.co/2IgV0rqFbA via @thisisinsider

— Noah Shachtman (@NoahShachtman) September 20, 2019

... (Eazy), Friday, 20 September 2019 14:55 (three weeks ago) link

Sounds like this guy went to great lengths for sex stuff, so if I had to answer that question I would say: sex stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 20 September 2019 15:25 (three weeks ago) link

Yeah, why is that hard to believe, D-40? And I mean, not just about the NYT.

― Frederik B, Monday, September 9, 2019 4:52 AM (two weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

because a cover up like that would be huge news to reporters within the organization that's trying to orchestrate the cover up? lol

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 27 September 2019 05:53 (two weeks ago) link

It's not news if it happens all the time, though? Like, you don't think these stories gets buried all the time?

Frederik B, Friday, 27 September 2019 11:17 (two weeks ago) link

i dont think that the nytimes is in the habit of burying stories bc of a random board member, no -- ill buy that like jeff bezos has the kind of power to squash or softpedal stories critical of amazon but the idea that reporters are just like *shrug* bc some dude they never heard of who doesnt work in the news room wants to kill a story is patently absurd

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 30 September 2019 22:22 (two weeks ago) link

like, a reporter who *exposed* a story like that could get a pulitzer lol its working against the incentives of being a journalist

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Monday, 30 September 2019 22:29 (two weeks ago) link

...

micah, Monday, 30 September 2019 23:30 (two weeks ago) link

Welp here's one more guy with a death wish

This is BadVolf, the former Palm Besch County Sheriff’s Office deputy who I’ve spoken about before. He became an activist about police corruption in America and was calling out corruption around Epstein case from the beginning , he has the Epstein tapes. https://t.co/hhIfxnmBCv

— detty (@0ddette) October 1, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 1 October 2019 14:58 (two weeks ago) link

At Financial Trust, a company with fewer than a dozen employees, investment expenses varied widely, from $1.3 million in 2000 to $16 million in 2004 to $42 million in 2005. In 2006 — the year Mr. Epstein was charged in Florida — Financial Trust pushed $117 million into an unnamed subsidiary whose purpose was undisclosed. The subsidiary was apparently transferred to Southern Trust in 2013, and by the end of 2017 the subsidiary accounted for more than half of the company’s $391 million in assets. The filings also disclose that Southern Trust received a $30.5 million loan that same year, but don’t say who provided it.

One thing the financial statements make clear: Mr. Epstein paid himself handsomely. He pocketed $400 million in dividends and other payments from the companies starting in 1999 — the first full year after he moved his operations to the Virgin Islands from New York.

The opacity of Mr. Epstein’s financial dealings has been a perplexing issue since he was arrested in July on federal charges of sex trafficking with underage girls. Although the criminal case against him closed after he committed suicide in federal custody in August, Mr. Epstein’s finances remain an important matter for women who are suing his estate claiming they were among his victims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/03/business/jeffrey-epstein-southern-trust.html

Simon H., Thursday, 3 October 2019 21:59 (one week ago) link

Incredibly rich people are always looking for ways to grow their fortunes, and Epstein probably was investing a little and playing a shell game with the rest, right? Probably another case where someone could have thrown cash in an index fund and come out ahead, instead they’re behind or get a pittance so their buddy gets to jet around and buy islands

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 02:55 (one week ago) link

*nods sagely* yes, this checks out 100%, we've all flown around the world to break off a friendship with someone, while surrounded by teenage girls who were also there for some reason

Prince Andrew claims 2010 Jeffrey Epstein visit in NYC was to end friendship https://t.co/54NrvJJ6DW pic.twitter.com/tsPNaY67P7

— New York Post (@nypost) October 6, 2019

to regain his mental focus, he played video-game golf (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:27 (one week ago) link

the obligations on royalty are extremely onerous.

The Pingularity (ledge), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:33 (one week ago) link

friendship ended with JEFFREY

mh, Monday, 7 October 2019 14:38 (one week ago) link

"Believe me, this is hurting me as much as it's hurting you."

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Monday, 7 October 2019 14:47 (one week ago) link

listen we had great times at the teen sex parties but those days are over now

lag∞n, Monday, 7 October 2019 16:32 (one week ago) link

He even compared him to Jimmy Savile, a BBC TV and radio star who after his death was revealed to have raped and sexually assaulted hundreds of victims

Copyeditors at the Post don’t know how to spell “before”

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Monday, 7 October 2019 18:42 (one week ago) link

EXCLUSIVE: Executor of Jeffrey Epstein's estate - named in new lawsuit - was seen removing a bag of items from pedo's mansion https://t.co/Kr04EPA5zs

— Daily Mail US (@DailyMail) October 7, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 7 October 2019 19:04 (one week ago) link

Epstein’s Funko Pop collection

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Monday, 7 October 2019 19:11 (one week ago) link

more like fucko pop

lag∞n, Monday, 7 October 2019 19:15 (one week ago) link

lol I was going to say Hummel figurines but latebloomer otm

mh, Monday, 7 October 2019 20:53 (one week ago) link


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