this is a thread for you to talk about THE PSEUDO-ISIDORIAN DECRETALS

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ok so

this is the term for an entire set of fraudulent, interlocking, documents purporting to be canon law of the catholic church written in what was basically france in the early part of the 9th century CE. i started poking into this (??) and it seems debate STILL RAGES about who wrote what, and where (and why)

for instance!

they ^ would likely string me up for simplifying like this but as far as i can tell the 'why' was, depending on how you looked at it, either an attempt by some fringe monks sympathetic to the pope to grab back power that had gradually accreted to the more secular side of the church - bishops who administrated land, collected taxes etc - or a misguided attempt to act on a passionate belief that the church should shun temporal power.

so... do YOU have an opinion on the pseudo-isidorian decretals??

or perhaps other long-ago hoaxes about which tempestuous argument still swirls

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:33 (three months ago) link

why not just revive one of the many decretals threads we already have

mick signals, Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:55 (three months ago) link


goole, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:02 (three months ago) link

Peak ILX right here. I've yet to pore over the relevant codices and make up my own mind but it's only a matter of time immemorial.

pomenitul, Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:04 (three months ago) link

I feel like when you name your kid Pseudo-Isidore you have to be prepared for this kind of shenanigan to happen

mick signals, Sunday, 11 August 2019 18:03 (three months ago) link

Clearly this is all mark s's doing.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 August 2019 00:25 (three months ago) link

that's always the way with forgeries, you think they're going to bolster your immediate point and nobody cares until some investiture controversy erupts long after the salian dynasty has taken control of frankish temporal power, and nothing you can do about it because at that point you're dead

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:06 (three months ago) link

did marcabru ever express an opinion on the pseudo-isidorian decretals

Abigail, Wife of Preserved Fish (rushomancy), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:07 (three months ago) link

are we srsly just gonna allow "shenanigan" singular to sit there unremarked cos

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:11 (three months ago) link

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