HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

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couldn't find a thread, but i've finally gotten into this show over the past couple weeks and it's so good you guys. i've made it through ep 8 of s1 (the bachelor party) and that was the best episode yet.

succession-heads, succession-converts, or succession-curious, let's anticipate and discuss this acidic, mean-spirited, and addicting show,

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:42 (two years ago) link


jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:42 (two years ago) link

Season 1 is incredible. I didn't clock it was created by one of the Peep Show writers till about halfway through, but it makes so much sense.

chap, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:56 (two years ago) link

Yup s1 is great, didn’t know s2 was out

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:03 (two years ago) link

s2 starts sunday fyi

yea great show

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:20 (two years ago) link

Oh whoa wait, back up a tick...I'd pegged this as one of their lower-tier shows a la Ballers buuuut Peep Show writer, you say. Hmm.

Where Is The Univers (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:22 (two years ago) link

oh not at all! Very very good! Watch it ASAP!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:24 (two years ago) link

s1 was amazing but definitely peaked in the middle when it had less plot to deal with

na (NA), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:25 (two years ago) link

Season finale was a knockout I thought.

chap, Thursday, 8 August 2019 08:29 (two years ago) link

finally finished season 1, the finale was mostly great, especially everything with tom. the chappaquiddick moment was a little on-the-nose imo, they could've maneuvered kendall back into the fold in a different way, but the payoff scene with logan and kendall was worth it.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:17 (two years ago) link

agreed on every point there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:31 (two years ago) link

fuck off!

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:27 (two years ago) link

loved this week's episode, seems like logan dangled the ceo position to shiv to get her to submit to him. what a terrible man.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:28 (two years ago) link

really good ep, got chills at the end w kendalls monotone statement/threat to the takeover group, & the calm answer back of lets proceed w that then or w/e

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:06 (two years ago) link

ah, we have a thread now

yes, the final exchange was perfect

I'm assuming Shiv is getting played, given that we didn't see how Logan's conversations with any of the other kids concluded

Number None, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:15 (two years ago) link

I love the Arrested Development-ness of this show. I keep waiting for Brian Cox to mention the banana stand.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:46 (two years ago) link

I saw their plan and dad's plan is better

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 02:11 (two years ago) link

"I'm looking for pussy like a techno Gatsby"

Number None, Monday, 19 August 2019 23:40 (two years ago) link

been thinking about this vaulter headline for 24 hours that’s just “is every taylor swift lyric secretly marxist?”

— maya kosoff (@mekosoff) August 20, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 03:39 (two years ago) link

Because my father told me to

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 13:37 (two years ago) link

Did not realized the New Mexico brother is Cameron from Ferris Bueller!

... (Eazy), Monday, 26 August 2019 23:12 (two years ago) link

i'll eat your sausage tom

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 00:37 (two years ago) link

"the doctors say he only has a week or two"

"remind me in a week or two"

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:04 (two years ago) link

fuck off

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:24 (two years ago) link

is this max on fire

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:36 (two years ago) link

this show is so good.

jaymc, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:06 (two years ago) link

this week's episode is out early btw

Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:32 (two years ago) link

features an all-time Tom & Greg scene

Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:33 (two years ago) link

i’m finishing season one

“I like your girlfriend”
“thanks, I met her at a sex party where she was giving a blowjob to the groom”
“you should marry her”

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 00:36 (two years ago) link

are you asking my PERMISSION to blackmail me?!?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:04 (two years ago) link

prob the best show on tv right now? new cast additions are a joy. Holly Hunter! Zach Cherry!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:07 (two years ago) link

hate all these people so much

like every moment of kendall on screen is anticipating how he’ll fuck up, while hoping he gets hit by a bus

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 04:40 (two years ago) link


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 05:59 (two years ago) link

you don't hyper-decant ?!

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Monday, 2 September 2019 09:56 (two years ago) link

Connor’s the most obvious representative of the hyper-moneyed class who never needed a particular ethos or organizing principle for their life (because: money) and constantly scrambles to find one because he’s deeply unconfident. But you don’t have to commit to anything or feel a real investment in efforts because, money!

I feel like they’re leaning into that directionless concept in season 2 with Roman attempting to learn the company

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 15:58 (two years ago) link

connor roy was interested in politics from a very young age

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:14 (two years ago) link

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:50 (two years ago) link

I'm kind of worried about his paid consort

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:53 (two years ago) link

we need a running tally of every time someone in the family treats a normal person like garbage, only to have a scene where one of their handlers is seen giving an envelope of money in return for a NDA signature in the background

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:55 (two years ago) link

another great episode goddamn. the cousin greg bit at the end was the cherry on top.

speaking of cherries, cherry jones was awesome, hopefully she wasn't just a one-off.

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 15:55 (two years ago) link

the maid shooting a knowing look at Kendall as he wandered by in the morning might be first first no-payoff-envelope scene where the whole family was present, but given the circumstances that probably isn't foreshadowing?

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (two years ago) link

I think you mean cousin Gregory

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (two years ago) link

yes, my apologies to the honorable gregory

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:04 (two years ago) link

Overjoyed to discover that hyper-decanting is actually real.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:18 (two years ago) link

Are you an actress or a poetess or something

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:05 (two years ago) link

endless quotable episode but i partic liked

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:11 (two years ago) link

also "i think maybe the morgue is closing for the night"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:14 (two years ago) link

i love this show but also i wonder if there's an audience of MBA dudes who view it as aspirational (a la Wall Street)

na (NA), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:02 (two years ago) link

i mean when logan said "you want to hear my favorite shakespeare quote? take the fucking money" i was like "whoa badass" for a second

na (NA), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:03 (two years ago) link

the pearce family are awful

prorogue mahone (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:09 (two years ago) link

and i just finished s3. what can you say, everybody just nails it

Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 February 2022 00:31 (four months ago) link

it seems like logan was ready to bring roman in and cut out ken and shiv, but it may have only seemed that way, as part of a plot to turn them against each other once he saw they were uniting (with roman being the traditionally weak link) - although by that point he already knew he didn’t need them… so who knows

anyway by the end i was pretty much hating our everyman greg and wanted him to fall flat on his fucking face

Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 February 2022 09:13 (four months ago) link

yeah, agree that it was great the show didn't lean too much into Greg being this one dimensional comedic light relief but showed his lower stakes yet equally loathsome grifting and scheming. He drifts between a relatable witness to all drama for the viewer early on and being his own brand of untrustworthy, ego driven slimeball. He is family, after all.

Swanswans, Monday, 21 February 2022 12:26 (four months ago) link

Sorry, I'm always going to be behind (and trying to avert my eyes from posts related to later episodes)...In the S2 season opener, Kendall's "I saw their plan, and my Dad's plan is better" mantra made me think of "Raymond Shaw is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life" from The Manchurian Candidate.

clemenza, Monday, 21 February 2022 14:11 (four months ago) link

children of Brits might come out with some bits of britspeak. Not much excuse for Rhea though.

― symsymsym, Friday, February 18, 2022 1:44 PM (three days ago)

I can attest that this is true, especially when it comes to insults and especially within the family. So "twat" makes sense, "sand pit" not so much. Not sure if it was the writing or Hunter or both, but I found Rhea an ill-fitting character in general—it may well have been her southern-ness didn't really work with the dialogue.

rob, Monday, 21 February 2022 15:38 (four months ago) link

i really identified with monstrous of a bully as he is to everyone beneath his station, tom's unbelievably sweet with shiv and it feels real. i've been in relationships where i felt out of my league, out of my depth, where it seemed like something was wanted of me that i couldn't provide, like a certain callousness or coolness that just wasn't in my bag of tricks. when he finally just yells I'M NOT A HIPPIE at her i was like oh man i feel you tom.

Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 February 2022 16:40 (four months ago) link

In one way--one way only--Logan reminds me of Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights. Taylor: "Alright, now go on, get the hell out of my office." Logan: "Alright, now go on, fuck off."

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 01:11 (four months ago) link

i’m not sure what it says about me that the two shows i have binged this hard in recent memory are SUCCESSION and SQUID GAME. both about horrible people being horrible to each other.

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 09:18 (four months ago) link

'boar on the floor' certainly seems like a game you'd play in england's public schools, or is that off base?

, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:16 (four months ago) link

did they mention where the kids went to school/university?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 22 February 2022 18:27 (four months ago) link

Joe Posnanski on the baseball lockout:

What I did not see coming was that the owners would simply refuse to engage until the threat of losing Opening Day was very real. That’s on me: I simply had not watched enough episodes of “Succession” back then.

clemenza, Tuesday, 22 February 2022 19:02 (four months ago) link

"It's complicated. It was a different time."
"It wasn’t a time before they invented laws."

clemenza, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 02:06 (four months ago) link


There are so many incredible lines that go by in the blink of an eye

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 09:55 (four months ago) link

Watched the big Roy-Pierce get-together last night--thought it was the high point of the series so far, especially the climactic showdown between the patriarch and the matriarch (I've seen Cherry Jones in many films, not sure if there's one thing in particular I associate her with).

clemenza, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 16:39 (four months ago) link

watched that whole dinner from behind my fingers

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 23 February 2022 18:05 (four months ago) link

when they reboot succession in 2035, i hope cherry jones gets to play the matriarch roy

i cannot help if you made yourself not funny (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 24 February 2022 02:06 (four months ago) link

The big who's-taking-the-fall? dinner near the end of S2 was a comic highlight: "Greg sprinkles," and especially Logan's reaction when Connor offers himself as the secret power behind the family's reign of terror. Also liked the trace of a smile in the last shot of Logan after Kendall's press conference, the implicit admiration for the fact that he was wrong, Kendall's a killer.

I'm not sure that you can chronicle all these horrible people and then expect a scene like Tom airing his anger and misgivings to Shiv about the marriage to be as emotional as it aspires to be.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 February 2022 21:55 (four months ago) link

the tom/shiv scenes are probably my favourite scenes tbh

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 February 2022 22:41 (four months ago) link

I think they're great together when they're funny, I'm just not sure you can suddenly turn their marriage into a source of great tragedy.

clemenza, Saturday, 26 February 2022 22:49 (four months ago) link

their marriage is farcical and pathetic like pretty much everything else in the show. but despite their exalted social status a lot of the dynamics are p relatable imo

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 February 2022 23:04 (four months ago) link

Two episodes into S3. I always look forward to Connor's weirdness--Greg's weirdness seems a little studied, whereas Connor strikes me as a original creation.

One thing I'm starting to find a little repetitive--and I know how silly this sounds, seeing as it's the premise of the whole show--are these critical moments where Logan has to pick his successor. It feels like the fourth time around already, but every time, all the kids start speculating in earnest on who it will be. If this were a Seinfeld episode, someone would speak up and say "Haven't we had this conversation before?"

clemenza, Monday, 28 February 2022 01:21 (four months ago) link

Pretty much the only knock I'd put on this excellent show is that it goes in circles a bit, so I feel your point there. Silicon Valley, another HBO show, also had that exact problem, and after a while it was hard to feel there were any stakes. Succession hasn't gotten there yet for me, but if it spins long enough, I can see it losing emotional stake

Vinnie, Monday, 28 February 2022 03:13 (four months ago) link

Though on the issue of Logan picking his successor, he has vested interest in NOT picking someone, and instead letting everyone fight against each other

Vinnie, Monday, 28 February 2022 03:15 (four months ago) link

yeah the groundhog day aspect of that is part of the point i think

Tracer Hand, Monday, 28 February 2022 08:27 (four months ago) link

I think I just want them to push back more, and in S2, they do: when Logan offers Shiv a newly created post as President, she kind of rolls her eyes and asks if that means mascot.

Not sure if Holly Hunter will be back, but, as always, she was great (she reminded me a bit of Patricia Clarkson on House of Cards, this shadowy intermediary). And I hope Marcia's role is expanded from here on out; her absence for a couple of episodes hurt.

clemenza, Monday, 28 February 2022 14:35 (four months ago) link

And, uh, obviously Kendall pushes back.

clemenza, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:15 (four months ago) link

no steaks on succession? i beg to differ

(i searched for a picture of them eating steak but couldnt find one)

lag∞n, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:23 (four months ago) link

Boars--rare, like an aristocrat.

clemenza, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:26 (four months ago) link

the show is good but what couldve made it really great is if when they were playing boar on the floor logan said "the winner of this game will be the successor" and the successor then entered into a series of intrigues which were resolved by seasons end, and in the next season there are more intrigues

lag∞n, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:31 (four months ago) link

ive written a treatment for a serialized reimagining of antonionis red desert that works in a similar way

lag∞n, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:34 (four months ago) link

A show focused entirely on Romulas's sex life, that's the spin-off the world is waiting for.

clemenza, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:35 (four months ago) link

I have a title: My So-Called Sex Life.

clemenza, Monday, 28 February 2022 16:36 (four months ago) link

Kendall would totally do sloppy steaks

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 28 February 2022 16:40 (four months ago) link

three weeks pass...

Took a break for a couple of weeks, finished S3 last night. About equal to S2, I think. I watch, I'm engaged, I like it, don't love it. Maybe I'm one of those rubes who needs someone to root for--if anything, I sometimes find myself rooting for Logan, who's at least authentic (and I like the ways--his smile, the tilt of his head--he keeps everything close to his vest). But I know he's awful, so "rooting" isn't exactly the right word. Found Kendall's breakdown in the finale moving (and wanted to throttle joke-machine Roman, but that's who he is too, anything else would be false). I actually missed the key point about Tom near the end of the finale until I read up afterwards. (One of my favourite things is when Tom and Shiv, working in tandem, clown around at someone's expense, usually Greg's. Tom, who's such a simp and a cipher at times, has a really funny, cutting sense of humour in those situations.)

clemenza, Monday, 21 March 2022 13:44 (three months ago) link

I loved Roman in that scene - using his sociopathic wit to console Kendall and help someone else, for once.

symsymsym, Monday, 21 March 2022 15:21 (three months ago) link

Definitely quotable: "I guess I'm just trying to say, like, who's the real victim here? I waited three quarters of an hour for a gin and tonic." Even Kendall started to laugh...Also loved Tom's line about Greg potentially being Europe's weirdest monarch.

clemenza, Monday, 21 March 2022 15:39 (three months ago) link

Yeah you can really see how Roman has become trapped by his armor of misanthropy, this is what being emotionally supportive looks like because he literally cant do those other supportive things people do, like console, hug, hold eye contact etc.

this *is* Roman being there for kendall

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 March 2022 16:20 (three months ago) link


that deflective joke was love

Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 March 2022 18:37 (three months ago) link

apparently kendall sitting on the ground was an improv move that ruined the continuity of every other take they'd done but it became the keeper

those angles, the bright day creating this deep focus that went for miles, roman standing in the background, it was like a fuckin.. idk giocametti sculpture or something

Tracer Hand, Monday, 21 March 2022 18:39 (three months ago) link


terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 21 March 2022 19:05 (three months ago) link

two months pass...

I’m about halfway through s2 of this and I honestly love it??? I’m on the episode where they have protests about their Nazi news anchor and it’s so good. “I’m intellectually promiscuous but culturally conservative”. I love most of these awful people, but I have to be honest and say I love love love when anything bad happens to Tom. What a cunt.

gyac, Sunday, 22 May 2022 19:25 (one month ago) link

you don't hyper-decant ?!

This was incredible. I hate Connor nearly as much as Tom, I deeply hope something awful happens to him.

gyac, Sunday, 22 May 2022 19:28 (one month ago) link

yeah but if it was that bad they wouldn't be around to suffer, like.

Stevolende, Sunday, 22 May 2022 19:42 (one month ago) link

the hardest i've ever laughed at this show is when tom tried to say he'd never met greg and that cut to shiv losing her mind.

It was incredible! The whole deposition is a work of art!

gyac, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 10:56 (one month ago) link

If it is to be said.

Chewshabadoo, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 13:01 (one month ago) link

I've been watching Inventing Anna (against my better judgement) and Stewie and Tabitha from Succession are playing a married couple in it, it was confusing to me, if it is to be said.

kinder, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 16:36 (one month ago) link

I actually nearly died from the secondhand embarrassment here, he’s so awful 😭😭😭

succession clip kendall roy tells public relations consultant berry schneider “I’d like my twitter to be off the hook” and goes on to say he’s thinking about hitting up some “BoJack guys” for his feed, a thought which berry questions “like cool tweets to position you?”

— succession clips and reaction videos (@successionreact) October 22, 2021

gyac, Wednesday, 25 May 2022 17:11 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

Watching s2 for the second time (not seen s3). Didn't catch Shiv referring to Connor as "the first pancake" before (in the Dundee episode, I think.) Oof, lol.

Noel Emits, Monday, 20 June 2022 10:32 (one week ago) link

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