HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

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couldn't find a thread, but i've finally gotten into this show over the past couple weeks and it's so good you guys. i've made it through ep 8 of s1 (the bachelor party) and that was the best episode yet.

succession-heads, succession-converts, or succession-curious, let's anticipate and discuss this acidic, mean-spirited, and addicting show,

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:42 (eleven months ago) link


jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:42 (eleven months ago) link

Season 1 is incredible. I didn't clock it was created by one of the Peep Show writers till about halfway through, but it makes so much sense.

chap, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:56 (eleven months ago) link

Yup s1 is great, didn’t know s2 was out

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:03 (eleven months ago) link

s2 starts sunday fyi

yea great show

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:20 (eleven months ago) link

Oh whoa wait, back up a tick...I'd pegged this as one of their lower-tier shows a la Ballers buuuut Peep Show writer, you say. Hmm.

Where Is The Univers (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:22 (eleven months ago) link

oh not at all! Very very good! Watch it ASAP!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:24 (eleven months ago) link

s1 was amazing but definitely peaked in the middle when it had less plot to deal with

na (NA), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:25 (eleven months ago) link

Season finale was a knockout I thought.

chap, Thursday, 8 August 2019 08:29 (ten months ago) link

finally finished season 1, the finale was mostly great, especially everything with tom. the chappaquiddick moment was a little on-the-nose imo, they could've maneuvered kendall back into the fold in a different way, but the payoff scene with logan and kendall was worth it.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:17 (ten months ago) link

agreed on every point there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:31 (ten months ago) link

fuck off!

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:27 (ten months ago) link

loved this week's episode, seems like logan dangled the ceo position to shiv to get her to submit to him. what a terrible man.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:28 (ten months ago) link

really good ep, got chills at the end w kendalls monotone statement/threat to the takeover group, & the calm answer back of lets proceed w that then or w/e

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:06 (ten months ago) link

ah, we have a thread now

yes, the final exchange was perfect

I'm assuming Shiv is getting played, given that we didn't see how Logan's conversations with any of the other kids concluded

Number None, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:15 (ten months ago) link

I love the Arrested Development-ness of this show. I keep waiting for Brian Cox to mention the banana stand.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:46 (ten months ago) link

I saw their plan and dad's plan is better

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 02:11 (ten months ago) link

"I'm looking for pussy like a techno Gatsby"

Number None, Monday, 19 August 2019 23:40 (ten months ago) link

been thinking about this vaulter headline for 24 hours that’s just “is every taylor swift lyric secretly marxist?”

— maya kosoff (@mekosoff) August 20, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 03:39 (ten months ago) link

Because my father told me to

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 13:37 (ten months ago) link

Did not realized the New Mexico brother is Cameron from Ferris Bueller!

... (Eazy), Monday, 26 August 2019 23:12 (ten months ago) link

i'll eat your sausage tom

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 00:37 (ten months ago) link

"the doctors say he only has a week or two"

"remind me in a week or two"

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:04 (ten months ago) link

fuck off

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:24 (ten months ago) link

is this max on fire

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:36 (ten months ago) link

this show is so good.

jaymc, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:06 (ten months ago) link

this week's episode is out early btw

Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:32 (ten months ago) link

features an all-time Tom & Greg scene

Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:33 (ten months ago) link

i’m finishing season one

“I like your girlfriend”
“thanks, I met her at a sex party where she was giving a blowjob to the groom”
“you should marry her”

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 00:36 (ten months ago) link

are you asking my PERMISSION to blackmail me?!?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:04 (ten months ago) link

prob the best show on tv right now? new cast additions are a joy. Holly Hunter! Zach Cherry!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:07 (ten months ago) link

hate all these people so much

like every moment of kendall on screen is anticipating how he’ll fuck up, while hoping he gets hit by a bus

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 04:40 (ten months ago) link


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 05:59 (ten months ago) link

you don't hyper-decant ?!

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Monday, 2 September 2019 09:56 (ten months ago) link

Connor’s the most obvious representative of the hyper-moneyed class who never needed a particular ethos or organizing principle for their life (because: money) and constantly scrambles to find one because he’s deeply unconfident. But you don’t have to commit to anything or feel a real investment in efforts because, money!

I feel like they’re leaning into that directionless concept in season 2 with Roman attempting to learn the company

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 15:58 (ten months ago) link

connor roy was interested in politics from a very young age

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:14 (ten months ago) link

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:50 (ten months ago) link

I'm kind of worried about his paid consort

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:53 (ten months ago) link

we need a running tally of every time someone in the family treats a normal person like garbage, only to have a scene where one of their handlers is seen giving an envelope of money in return for a NDA signature in the background

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:55 (ten months ago) link

another great episode goddamn. the cousin greg bit at the end was the cherry on top.

speaking of cherries, cherry jones was awesome, hopefully she wasn't just a one-off.

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 15:55 (nine months ago) link

the maid shooting a knowing look at Kendall as he wandered by in the morning might be first first no-payoff-envelope scene where the whole family was present, but given the circumstances that probably isn't foreshadowing?

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (nine months ago) link

I think you mean cousin Gregory

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (nine months ago) link

yes, my apologies to the honorable gregory

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:04 (nine months ago) link

Overjoyed to discover that hyper-decanting is actually real.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:18 (nine months ago) link

Are you an actress or a poetess or something

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:05 (nine months ago) link

endless quotable episode but i partic liked

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:11 (nine months ago) link

also "i think maybe the morgue is closing for the night"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:14 (nine months ago) link

i love this show but also i wonder if there's an audience of MBA dudes who view it as aspirational (a la Wall Street)

na (NA), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:02 (nine months ago) link

i mean when logan said "you want to hear my favorite shakespeare quote? take the fucking money" i was like "whoa badass" for a second

na (NA), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:03 (nine months ago) link

the pearce family are awful

prorogue mahone (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:09 (nine months ago) link

so many hard to watch scenes tho.

kendall's rap :s

ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:40 (eight months ago) link

at least once a week i find myself morosely thinking "L to the OG...."

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:54 (eight months ago) link


finished season 2 last night. wow.

ت (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 16:43 (eight months ago) link

“look it’s a succession”- me pointing to a helicopter flying over nyc

— Catherine Cohen (@catcohen) October 18, 2019


(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:45 (eight months ago) link

i was in the financial district of my city last week during the day on friday and i was seeing the dudes in their vests and stuff and just feeling like i was surrounded by succession people

ت (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:55 (eight months ago) link

saw that James Murdoch, of the News Corp Murdochs, is supporting Buttigieg and I had a big Succession moment

mh, Monday, 4 November 2019 21:57 (eight months ago) link

kendall says he's voting buttigieg, actually votes for trump

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 03:24 (eight months ago) link

This show is incredible. Wasn’t even aware of its existence until two weeks ago. I’m not deeply clued into the TV landscape, but are people watching this? Visibility seems shamefully out of proportion to the quality of it.

That weekend retreat at the Pierce compound was maybe one of the best episodes of television I’ve seen. Penultimate Season 2 ep in DC, particularly Shiv talking the woman out of testifying, was some gut-level primal horror.

Really impressed by the entire execution of this. Doing a lot of things and doing them all very well.

circa1916, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:18 (seven months ago) link

I haven’t read this read this thread yet, watching the final season 2 ep now.

circa1916, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:25 (seven months ago) link

Finished S2 yesterday : great season, even better than S1, and that final ep was amazing.
so many great moments over the season but a few higlights come to mind : the Pierce/Roy families interactions, Roman and the hostages situation, Ken's rap, Ken's speech during the Senate hearing, Shiv's conversation with the witness...
And Tom & Greg are such a great comedy duo !
I agree that the whole Rhea situation was not satisfying (how it started, how she got so fast to the top, how she left...).
Marcia's "conversation" with her was great though.
Also, some of Logan's decisions over the season didn't seem very logical/convincing considering his charachter.
Sad to have to wait for such a long time until the next season...

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 11:59 (seven months ago) link

Rhea was qualified to become the CEO and could easily have been given the job in the timeframe of the series (there's like a month between each episode maybe?) And totally within her rights to walk away at the clusterfuck she'd inherited.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:20 (seven months ago) link

did she fuck Logan though ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:03 (seven months ago) link

brian cox says no, the characters shiv and roman say yes.

kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:24 (seven months ago) link

he urinated on her shoes

mh, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:26 (seven months ago) link

. I’m not deeply clued into the TV landscape, but are people watching this?

Everyone who works in media is.

jaymc, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:41 (seven months ago) link

four weeks pass...


WeWork, the TV series, based on WeWork, the book*, written by me and @maureenmfarrell


— Eliot Brown (@eliotwb) December 11, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 22:40 (six months ago) link

heh yeah let's do this

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 23:27 (six months ago) link

as long as neumann has no input and gets no money, i'm in

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 11 December 2019 23:40 (six months ago) link

Brian Cox. Cookie Monster. Two titans finally meet to discuss business....and cookies. #Sesame50

— Mashable (@mashable) November 15, 2019

mh, Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:39 (six months ago) link

i mean it's on hbo why not use the music

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 12 December 2019 02:40 (six months ago) link

one month passes...

I finally got around to watching this show. holy fuck, so good.

The idea that anyone thinks Logan and Kendall colluded in thge last episode is absurd for all the reasons that vox article lays out; people are ruined by other TV shows I guess. This show is more like Mad Men than Game of Thrones or Breaking Bad.

The masterstroke of this show is that it can make me feel sympathy for completely loathsome people. Fuck, even Tom is sympathetic in that last episode. I'm quite glad Kendall did what he did though. He's the only person I'm rooting for and the only person who probably actually has a soul.

akm, Thursday, 23 January 2020 19:13 (five months ago) link

CULKIN: There are some funny fan theories [about the finale]. I’ve been taking general [business] meetings and finding out halfway through, “Oh, the only reason why you wanted to take this meeting is so you can geek out about the show and give me your fan theory.” I had this one meeting where the guy had friends who had a fan theory that he thought was bulls—. When he told me [their theory], I said, “Yeah, that’s bulls—.” He goes, “Do you mind if I take a video of you saying it’s bulls—?” So I took a video of me saying it’s bulls—, and when I left I was like, “Oh, I feel like such a whore.” His theory was that all the kids were in on Kendall’s decision.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 January 2020 19:51 (five months ago) link

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 31 January 2020 14:27 (five months ago) link

Finally got around to binging this. Great finale. Honestly they could end the show right there if they wanted to.

The wayward son finally learning that he can only earn his father’s respect by becoming his enemy...that’s such a satisfying trajectory.

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Saturday, 1 February 2020 06:08 (five months ago) link

Same here - finally binged watch this whole series over the last couple of weeks. So so good. Amazing pacing, each episode seems to end on the sweetest of mic drops.
Curious about Greg's narrative arc in all this - did he turn because of his moral queasiness and/or granpa Ewan's threats? Or did he just realise that he was destined to remain expandable Greg sprinkles?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 08:37 (four months ago) link

Greg.ory, please.

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 15:46 (four months ago) link

Curious about Greg's narrative arc in all this - did he turn because of his moral queasiness and/or granpa Ewan's threats? Or did he just realise that he was destined to remain expandable Greg sprinkles?

― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Tuesday, February 11, 2020 3:37 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

a combination, i think, plus some affection for kendall, the only roy who treats him kinda like a person.

ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:02 (four months ago) link

Greg may turn out to be the secret protagonist.

chap, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:30 (four months ago) link

one month passes...

i ran through both seasons of this as my first dedicated quarantine watch and i'd just like to echo a vital post above...

sails out, nails out

Clay, Sunday, 5 April 2020 00:32 (three months ago) link

one month passes...

Beats ghostwritten for his boy DJ Squiggle.

Chewshabadoo, Sunday, 24 May 2020 07:33 (one month ago) link

one month passes...

I just watched the whole thing
It is so good, I actually want to watch it all again so I can memorise it all

I would love to see how the writing process for this show works. It's so tight and so much not said/shown/seen yet really coherent. How do you decide the Congress hearing is where you decide to drop in the amazing Tomlette/Gregs line?

-"Why is Greg here?"
-"I always ask that."

Greg could've been such a one-note character but he is great. Sneaky little dork.

kinder, Saturday, 27 June 2020 21:20 (one week ago) link

This show has kinda ruined TV for me. It’s so fucking good.

circa1916, Saturday, 27 June 2020 21:31 (one week ago) link

can’t remember which tv critic it was, either MZS or alan sepinwall, who said Greg is basically George W Bush: seems totally clueless and out of his depth but actually really crafty and self-serving. he’s going to end up on top for sure.

Roz, Sunday, 28 June 2020 08:55 (one week ago) link

Yeah, Greg is great. Borderline insufferable but still on the right side of the line. As I think I already said upthread, he makes such a fantastic comedy duo with Tom.

AlXTC from Paris, Sunday, 28 June 2020 09:51 (one week ago) link

Not seen this discussed too much, but I'm a big fan of Peep Show and imo loads of the lines stand out to me as ones that could be Peep Show lines. (Maybe more in s1, or perhaps at that point PS was more familiar to me than the Succession characters, who take a little while to 'get')? E.g. 'That's not very weddingy' vs 'That wasn't very Christmassy'. Most of the stuff Tom and Greg say (the doggy bags not being pre-pooped, etc). This is no criticism btw, it's a great next development for people like me craving the next 'white toast is the treat' -style insight into peoples' psyches.

kinder, Sunday, 28 June 2020 10:15 (one week ago) link

Oh apparently I missed a reference to 'Stefan Strauss' in Succession - disappointed in myself *adopts permanent Kendall face*

kinder, Sunday, 28 June 2020 10:19 (one week ago) link

"You don’t hear much about syphilis these days. Very much the MySpace of STDs" another line you'd totally hear from Mark Corrigan.

kinder, Sunday, 28 June 2020 10:33 (one week ago) link

I've said it before, Greg is the secret protagonist.

chap, Monday, 29 June 2020 08:51 (one week ago) link


Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 June 2020 14:21 (one week ago) link

I don't remember the first ep of S1 but isn't Greg the first character that we meet/follow ?

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 29 June 2020 14:23 (one week ago) link

i think given the opening of the series it is BEYOND OBVIOUS that the plan is for greg to end up running the company

sean gramophone, Monday, 29 June 2020 14:28 (one week ago) link

I thought that but Season 2 focused quite heavily on humanising Roman, particularly the sexual abuse subtext, and embedding the idea that he's smart enough to do it if he grew up and applied himself properly. Greg's machiavelianism feels heavily telegraphed which makes me think it isn't going to be him after all.

The other weird thing about Greg's character is that in contrast with everyone else on the show he appears to have zero interest in sex.

Matt DC, Monday, 29 June 2020 14:45 (one week ago) link

He's basically a 10yo (very tall) dorky kid.

AlXTC from Paris, Monday, 29 June 2020 15:11 (one week ago) link

Greg is the Candide character, we can't focus on him for too long because he's only barely there. He does seem fated to Chauncey Gardener his way to the top though.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 29 June 2020 15:54 (one week ago) link

I find it excruciating that S03 has been delayed and live in fear that the castmembers will no longer be available when filming is set to resume

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Monday, 29 June 2020 16:37 (one week ago) link

I haven't seen Peep Show but many of the zingiest lines in Succession seem to come straight out of The Thick of It, so Armstrong clearly has that identifiable style.

joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Monday, 29 June 2020 16:56 (one week ago) link

Watch Peep Show!

kinder, Monday, 29 June 2020 17:37 (one week ago) link

I see Greg as more of a secret antagonist.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 29 June 2020 17:41 (one week ago) link

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