HBO's Succession - Season 2 and Beyond

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couldn't find a thread, but i've finally gotten into this show over the past couple weeks and it's so good you guys. i've made it through ep 8 of s1 (the bachelor party) and that was the best episode yet.

succession-heads, succession-converts, or succession-curious, let's anticipate and discuss this acidic, mean-spirited, and addicting show,

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:42 (three months ago) link

FAM-LY THERA-PY!

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:42 (three months ago) link

Season 1 is incredible. I didn't clock it was created by one of the Peep Show writers till about halfway through, but it makes so much sense.

chap, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 20:56 (three months ago) link

Yup s1 is great, didn’t know s2 was out

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:03 (three months ago) link

s2 starts sunday fyi

yea great show

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:20 (three months ago) link

Oh whoa wait, back up a tick...I'd pegged this as one of their lower-tier shows a la Ballers buuuut Peep Show writer, you say. Hmm.

Where Is The Univers (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:22 (three months ago) link

oh not at all! Very very good! Watch it ASAP!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:24 (three months ago) link

s1 was amazing but definitely peaked in the middle when it had less plot to deal with

na (NA), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 21:25 (three months ago) link

Season finale was a knockout I thought.

chap, Thursday, 8 August 2019 08:29 (three months ago) link

finally finished season 1, the finale was mostly great, especially everything with tom. the chappaquiddick moment was a little on-the-nose imo, they could've maneuvered kendall back into the fold in a different way, but the payoff scene with logan and kendall was worth it.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Friday, 9 August 2019 16:17 (three months ago) link

agreed on every point there

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 9 August 2019 17:31 (three months ago) link

fuck off!

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:27 (three months ago) link

loved this week's episode, seems like logan dangled the ceo position to shiv to get her to submit to him. what a terrible man.

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 17:28 (three months ago) link

really good ep, got chills at the end w kendalls monotone statement/threat to the takeover group, & the calm answer back of lets proceed w that then or w/e

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 18:06 (three months ago) link

ah, we have a thread now

yes, the final exchange was perfect

I'm assuming Shiv is getting played, given that we didn't see how Logan's conversations with any of the other kids concluded

Number None, Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:15 (three months ago) link

I love the Arrested Development-ness of this show. I keep waiting for Brian Cox to mention the banana stand.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 14 August 2019 20:46 (three months ago) link

I saw their plan and dad's plan is better

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 15 August 2019 02:11 (three months ago) link

"I'm looking for pussy like a techno Gatsby"

Number None, Monday, 19 August 2019 23:40 (three months ago) link

been thinking about this vaulter headline for 24 hours that’s just “is every taylor swift lyric secretly marxist?” pic.twitter.com/T7Mwey160j

— maya kosoff (@mekosoff) August 20, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 20 August 2019 03:39 (three months ago) link

Because my father told me to

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 20 August 2019 13:37 (three months ago) link

Did not realized the New Mexico brother is Cameron from Ferris Bueller!

... (Eazy), Monday, 26 August 2019 23:12 (two months ago) link

i'll eat your sausage tom

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 00:37 (two months ago) link

"the doctors say he only has a week or two"

"remind me in a week or two"

jakey mo collier (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 27 August 2019 15:04 (two months ago) link

fuck off

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 11:24 (two months ago) link

is this max on fire
https://i.imgur.com/Al77w6h.png

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Wednesday, 28 August 2019 16:36 (two months ago) link

this show is so good.

jaymc, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:06 (two months ago) link

this week's episode is out early btw

Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:32 (two months ago) link

features an all-time Tom & Greg scene

Number None, Saturday, 31 August 2019 21:33 (two months ago) link

i’m finishing season one

“I like your girlfriend”
“thanks, I met her at a sex party where she was giving a blowjob to the groom”
“you should marry her”

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 00:36 (two months ago) link

are you asking my PERMISSION to blackmail me?!?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:04 (two months ago) link

prob the best show on tv right now? new cast additions are a joy. Holly Hunter! Zach Cherry!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 03:07 (two months ago) link

hate all these people so much

like every moment of kendall on screen is anticipating how he’ll fuck up, while hoping he gets hit by a bus

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 04:40 (two months ago) link

Yep!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 2 September 2019 05:59 (two months ago) link

you don't hyper-decant ?!

самокритика me, daddy (||||||||), Monday, 2 September 2019 09:56 (two months ago) link

Connor’s the most obvious representative of the hyper-moneyed class who never needed a particular ethos or organizing principle for their life (because: money) and constantly scrambles to find one because he’s deeply unconfident. But you don’t have to commit to anything or feel a real investment in efforts because, money!

I feel like they’re leaning into that directionless concept in season 2 with Roman attempting to learn the company

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 2 September 2019 15:58 (two months ago) link

connor roy was interested in politics from a very young age

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:14 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/6wyaXiD.jpg

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:50 (two months ago) link

I'm kind of worried about his paid consort

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:53 (two months ago) link

we need a running tally of every time someone in the family treats a normal person like garbage, only to have a scene where one of their handlers is seen giving an envelope of money in return for a NDA signature in the background

untuned mass damper (mh), Tuesday, 3 September 2019 17:55 (two months ago) link

another great episode goddamn. the cousin greg bit at the end was the cherry on top.

speaking of cherries, cherry jones was awesome, hopefully she wasn't just a one-off.

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 15:55 (two months ago) link

the maid shooting a knowing look at Kendall as he wandered by in the morning might be first first no-payoff-envelope scene where the whole family was present, but given the circumstances that probably isn't foreshadowing?

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (two months ago) link

I think you mean cousin Gregory

untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:01 (two months ago) link

yes, my apologies to the honorable gregory

normal fucking rockman (voodoo chili), Monday, 9 September 2019 16:04 (two months ago) link

Overjoyed to discover that hyper-decanting is actually real.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 September 2019 16:18 (two months ago) link

Are you an actress or a poetess or something

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Monday, 9 September 2019 17:05 (two months ago) link

endless quotable episode but i partic liked
SPINNIE SPINNIE CHICKEN DINNIE

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:11 (two months ago) link

also "i think maybe the morgue is closing for the night"

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 9 September 2019 22:14 (two months ago) link

i love this show but also i wonder if there's an audience of MBA dudes who view it as aspirational (a la Wall Street)

na (NA), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:02 (two months ago) link

i mean when logan said "you want to hear my favorite shakespeare quote? take the fucking money" i was like "whoa badass" for a second

na (NA), Monday, 9 September 2019 23:03 (two months ago) link

the pearce family are awful

prorogue mahone (||||||||), Tuesday, 10 September 2019 06:09 (two months ago) link

which episode had kendall's rap

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 04:14 (one month ago) link

bro, don’t get it twisted, I’ve been through hell
but since I stan dad, I’m alive and well https://t.co/vV1w8xHxX5

— sheila girlface (@buttcasino) October 10, 2019

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 04:18 (one month ago) link

I still hold that the seventh and eighth episodes of this season were missteps and that Holly Hunter's character ended up misused and disposed of... two episodes of sudden build up for her to immediately become CEO so they can have her leave after half an episode?

This could well be the case, but we don't know yet that she's definitely gone for good. Now she's another person with inside information and a huge grudge against the family.

trishyb, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 09:26 (one month ago) link

Sure, somebody could pick up the character later and write her better and do something more interesting with her (and i hope they do, I love holly hunter!) but the point remains that the character went nowhere fast this season and was discarded unceremoniously. This wasn't prepping for future seasons so much as it was padding this one.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:12 (one month ago) link

one point that is perhaps obvious on the face of it in the trump era is that logan's character doesn't mind being hated or attacked, he just can't stand losing or, worse, being irrelevant. from that perspective, a messy public hearing over stewardship of the company is like oh i dunno an impeachment trial of sorts

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 15:35 (one month ago) link

i think the point of the rhea character was to just hammer home why the successor had to be a roy--rhea had every superficial qualification, but she didn't have the ruthlessness

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:02 (one month ago) link

eh, i think the point of the rhea character is that they had holly hunter. which is not to say i don't get why you would want to hang on to holly hunter! I'm kinda sad they seem to have let Cherry Jones go! But the build-up of her going from well-written secondary character to aspiring to the throne and fucking logan then speedily becoming ceo and self-deposing with no real impact to the story at large seems like smoke and mirrors to bide time until we can get to the real story. she became "no real person involved" and that's not clever conceptual metaphor so much as just lazily considered storytelling.
Again, though: I love this show! But it's so good that when the quality dips a bit that glares all the brighter for it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:31 (one month ago) link

I thought it was interesting that Brian Cox said that he and Holly Hunter decided that their characters didn't actually sleep together.

Do you think Marcia will come back to Logan?
I hope it will happen. He clearly loves Marcia. There’s this idea that he had this affair with Rhea, but I’m not sure that happened. Both Holly [Hunter] and I felt that hadn’t actually happened, that it was more in the minds of the kids. He does ask her to stay the night, but that was because he had plenty of rooms. His sell-by date on that sort of thing is near. The kids thinking they were having an affair was more them projecting.

That’s fascinating. The general consensus seems to be that Rhea and Logan were having an affair.
Of course people think that! That tells you more about those people than what actually happened. [Laughs.] That’s the giveaway. That’s frailty in human nature, I’m afraid.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/succession-season-2-finale-brian-cox.html

jaymc, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:44 (one month ago) link

the show certainly implied the fuck out of it! either way it suggests rhea as a toy for logan to bat around and that's not something the show needs more of.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 16:47 (one month ago) link

idk, the show intentionally kept that ambiguous. i think that it's an interesting part of the show's dna to keep some important details lingering under the surface, but not explicit. it's clear that the roy kids suffered some serious emotional (and probably physical?) abuse at the hands of both parents, but the show and the characters never quite spell out exactly what happened (aside from jokey things about roman enjoying getting locked up in a cage).

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 17:41 (one month ago) link

well logan does hit his grown son so that's a hint

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 17:47 (one month ago) link

Roman's sincere "are you ok?" to Kendall after the announcement felt rooted in that too

Number None, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 18:28 (one month ago) link

I kind of stopped counting, but how many times in the show does it seem like Logan is sundowning? The closet shoe pissing happens a couple times, he seems confused multiple times in later evening scenes or when jet lagged, and seems to be making more choices midday on purpose

mh, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:32 (one month ago) link

yeah i feel like a lot of those indicators were early season 1 -- and i at the time remember thinking it was gonna be a different arc & type of plot that it ultimately ended up being

johnny crunch, Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:42 (one month ago) link

i think brian cox said in that interview originally they were going to kill off logan at the end of s1

na (NA), Thursday, 17 October 2019 16:17 (one month ago) link

Interesting article here that talks about the Logan mastermind theory:

https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/10/16/20915933/succession-season-2-finale-twist-logan-kendall-this-is-not-for-tears

And has an incidental paragraph that explains the utility of Holly Hunter’s character

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Friday, 18 October 2019 00:22 (one month ago) link

i think the show intentionally leaves it in the no-mans-land between 'logan hatched a plot' & 'logan smiled for some quotidian reason'; logan was obviously proud, he was obviously pleased w the outcome on at least one level, he hoped it would happen but knew kendall had to figure it out for himself...not sure how *conscious* it was of a "plot" by him, the word "plot" implies that he was really trying to set it in motion when i think the truth is probably somewhere closer to 'intuited it could happen'

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 18 October 2019 06:51 (one month ago) link

'created the possibility for it to happen if his son was who he hoped he was'

ILX’s bad boy (D-40), Friday, 18 October 2019 06:51 (one month ago) link

agreed on all counts

Number None, Friday, 18 October 2019 11:13 (one month ago) link

right, but he's also been trying in his own nasty way to inspire kendall to be a killer his whole life. it wasn't part of a calculated plan, just logan doing what he always does.

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Friday, 18 October 2019 14:58 (one month ago) link

Kendall Roy what's on your awesome headphones while you plan to kill you father

https://robbreportedit.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/3.jpg

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:00 (four weeks ago) link

north american scum!

thicc elizabeth (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:01 (four weeks ago) link

just finished this last night after marathoning all weekend . Great fucking show!!!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:01 (four weeks ago) link

uh yeah he was playing that when he took them off xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:02 (four weeks ago) link

i know, was mostly commenting that it was a hilariously appropriate choice

thicc elizabeth (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:03 (four weeks ago) link

i think he's listening to 'a christmas fucking miracle' by run the jewels

thicc elizabeth (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:04 (four weeks ago) link

Tom eating Logan's chicken was awesome btw

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:08 (four weeks ago) link

fuck so many amazing scenes in this show though

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:09 (four weeks ago) link

and yet i feel like hardly anyone knows about it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:10 (four weeks ago) link

it's awfully popular!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:25 (four weeks ago) link

i'm sure i just slept on it myself but no one i know irl watches it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 15:28 (four weeks ago) link

It's extremely difficult to get people irl to watch it ime

Number None, Wednesday, 23 October 2019 22:15 (four weeks ago) link

my mom binged the first season in two days

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 24 October 2019 04:32 (four weeks ago) link

it's awfully popular!

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses)

Yeah to me it seems to have penetrated the collective cultural consciousness with startling speed - people irl are throwing around the character names without first referencing the show they're from already.

chap, Thursday, 24 October 2019 09:18 (four weeks ago) link

this show is so good

ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:34 (three weeks ago) link

so many hard to watch scenes tho.

kendall's rap :s

ت (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:40 (three weeks ago) link

at least once a week i find myself morosely thinking "L to the OG...."

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 29 October 2019 17:54 (three weeks ago) link

haha.

finished season 2 last night. wow.

ت (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 30 October 2019 16:43 (three weeks ago) link

“look it’s a succession”- me pointing to a helicopter flying over nyc

— Catherine Cohen (@catcohen) October 18, 2019

tru

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:45 (two weeks ago) link

i was in the financial district of my city last week during the day on friday and i was seeing the dudes in their vests and stuff and just feeling like i was surrounded by succession people

ت (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 November 2019 21:55 (two weeks ago) link

saw that James Murdoch, of the News Corp Murdochs, is supporting Buttigieg and I had a big Succession moment

mh, Monday, 4 November 2019 21:57 (two weeks ago) link

kendall says he's voting buttigieg, actually votes for trump

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 03:24 (two weeks ago) link

This show is incredible. Wasn’t even aware of its existence until two weeks ago. I’m not deeply clued into the TV landscape, but are people watching this? Visibility seems shamefully out of proportion to the quality of it.

That weekend retreat at the Pierce compound was maybe one of the best episodes of television I’ve seen. Penultimate Season 2 ep in DC, particularly Shiv talking the woman out of testifying, was some gut-level primal horror.

Really impressed by the entire execution of this. Doing a lot of things and doing them all very well.

circa1916, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:18 (two weeks ago) link

I haven’t read this read this thread yet, watching the final season 2 ep now.

circa1916, Friday, 8 November 2019 01:25 (two weeks ago) link

Finished S2 yesterday : great season, even better than S1, and that final ep was amazing.
so many great moments over the season but a few higlights come to mind : the Pierce/Roy families interactions, Roman and the hostages situation, Ken's rap, Ken's speech during the Senate hearing, Shiv's conversation with the witness...
And Tom & Greg are such a great comedy duo !
I agree that the whole Rhea situation was not satisfying (how it started, how she got so fast to the top, how she left...).
Marcia's "conversation" with her was great though.
Also, some of Logan's decisions over the season didn't seem very logical/convincing considering his charachter.
Sad to have to wait for such a long time until the next season...

AlXTC from Paris, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 11:59 (one week ago) link

Rhea was qualified to become the CEO and could easily have been given the job in the timeframe of the series (there's like a month between each episode maybe?) And totally within her rights to walk away at the clusterfuck she'd inherited.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 14:20 (one week ago) link

did she fuck Logan though ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:03 (one week ago) link

brian cox says no, the characters shiv and roman say yes.

kanye kendrick frank kendrick frank kanye (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:24 (one week ago) link

he urinated on her shoes

mh, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:26 (one week ago) link

. I’m not deeply clued into the TV landscape, but are people watching this?

Everyone who works in media is.

jaymc, Tuesday, 12 November 2019 15:41 (one week ago) link


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