PMs change and lol we're all gonna die (but brexit will never end)

Letwin amendment made it through. 322 to 306.

great, let’s shut it down and go home

YES

I'm relieved even though I don't understand what I'm relieved about.

Keep racking up those losses, BJ.

16 votes is way bigger than I’d thought. Will post the list when it’s up.

Fairly sure that I heard John McDonnell heckling.

Just want to point out Oliver Letwin had Times and Telegraph journalists in his mentions telling him to pull his amendment yesterday. Love too live in a country with a free press.

xxp

I'd love to be the bookie boris uses, would retire after a month.

I'm relieved even though I don't understand what I'm relieved about.

cosign

Boris has to send an extension request by 11pm tonight. Benn Act has been activated.

I'm relieved even though I don't understand what I'm relieved about.

otm!

what happens if he doesn't send the extension request? re Boris saying "I will not negotiate a delay with the EU. And neither does the law compel me to do so."

..and if he doesn't parliament can write an extension request on his behalf I read somewhere

God I hate that Letwin gets a win.

_I'm relieved even though I don't understand what I'm relieved about._


otm!

what happens if he doesn't send the extension request? re Boris saying "I will not negotiate a delay with the EU. And neither does the law compel me to do so."

"The PM will not ask for an extension - he will tell EU leaders there should be no delays, they should reject Parliament's letter asking for a delay, and we should get Brexit done on October 31 with our new deal," Downing Street says.

It’s bullshit. It’s not “Parliament” that sends it, it’s the PM, as Benn says.

Here’s the votes:

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/721

There's millions of people in the capital within a short walk of Downing street. Surely they could send a delegation to help BJ see how the world looks as a pendulum from a lamp-post. Sure he'd have a vital new perspective from the end of a rope.

Look who voted against the amendment:

https://data.parliament.uk/membersdataplatform/services/images/MemberPhoto/4137/

might have been tempted to think that grey blur was Dominic Grieve, but he didn't vote against it. Frank Field?

It's what the people of Dudley would've wanted

Come on, have you forgotten what he looks like already - it's Rory Stewart of course!

omg wanderin' Rory Stewart!

don't make me post the supermarionation jpg

(amphibian) profiles in courage

bestpic.jpg strikes again!

I cannot stand Jo Swinson's horrible Anglo-Scottish vowel sounds.

In the sense that she comes across as a self-hating Scot?

Quote of the day goes to @PeterBoneUK: “I'm fed up. It’s been a complete waste of time. And it’s spoilt my birthday because it’s my birthday today.”

— Chris Morris (@BBCChrisMorris) October 19, 2019

Not to encourage this practise but there’s a thread title in there

In the sense that she comes across as a self-hating Scot?

No I just hate that accent, you sometimes hear from Scots who have been living in England for a long time and have Anglified their vowel sounds accordingly, either intentionally or unintentionally ... you also hear it from straight-up wankers like Fraser Nelson.

Michael Gove?

Well he is in the wanker camp, for sure.

No I just hate that accent, you sometimes hear from Scots who have been living in England for a long time and have Anglified their vowel sounds accordingly, either intentionally or unintentionally

I'd wager such shifts are subconscious at least 95% of the time. My (Canadian) accent has changed slightly since I moved here, although I could never go full Orson Welles.

I'm sure it isn't intentional in the vast majority of cases, I really do hope Kevin Gallacher doesn't pronounce the word 'now' that way deliberately, for instance. The problem of course is that English people (claim they) can't understand you so you're forced to tone the accent down just to get through a day with blowing a gasket every two minutes.

It's a little hard going for North Americans because it's not an accent we're routinely exposed to but if I were a Scot living in England I'd never tone it down. They don't need a fucking interpreter.

burnistoun_lift_sketch.mkv

ppl who understand what i'm talking abt can fuck off

Same but mostly that's not the accent

I work with a Swedish women who has a sort of Anglo-Swedish accent and I hate her accent too - I like her though! So maybe I just don't like accents that fall between two stools. I notice Bjork seems to have gone back to having a nice Icelandic accent having had a hideous hybrid accent for a long time.

In my experience, European ESL teachers are generally beholden to the notion that BBC English is the sole correct variant, so their students follow suit.

All accents are good

my younger kids are in an English language international section at their public French high school/middle school, where they take the regular courses in French and then have lit and history courses in English. their English-language teachers are Irish, Scots, and English. our kids are American and speak accordingly, but in order to get the highest marks in courses, and on the concours for the grands écoles, have to learn to speak BBC English (well, they call it Economist English).

hopefully after Brexit we'll all switch to Irish English, the nicest sounding version imo.

our kids are American and speak accordingly, but in order to get the highest marks in courses, and on the concours for the grands écoles, have to learn to speak BBC English

Sad. I remember discussing this with a Frenchwoman who had lived in London for a few years before moving back to Paris to teach ESL at the lycée level, and her overt contempt for non-BBC English and sociolinguistics in general was an eyerollercoaster.

every esl child should be taught to speak in the manner of ian paisley imo

ulster says no

W. B. Yeats or gtfo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLlcvQg9i6c

He's working those r's like no-one's business.

Yeats barely sounds Irish to me - might be class, might be time he lived (had an old English teacher who pronounced “poem” like he did, with two syllables).

every esl child should be taught to speak in the manner of ian paisley imo

I went to a language school in either Brazil or Argentina (iirc), a few years ago, where the teacher had studied in Belfast and was passing on a noticeable NI accent to all the kids.