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Half the Tim & Eric thread is about this show so I think it deserves its own thread

Granted I'm only like 13 hours into this thing but it's possibly one of the best comedic achievements of the 21st century

also this video is wonderful and I watch it every day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUE5_Mnelwc

Worth looking for: the episode of The Best Show from a couple years back where Tim and Gregg take up about an hour of the show arguing over whether or not Tim actually saw the Tom Cruise remake of The Mummy.

I never really gave a shit about the Tim & Eric show but I am 100% on board with this as pure genius, Turkington hooking up with him was a godsend.
I'm on season 9.

feel like I'm doing a marathon to catch up but even then I can only watch like a handful of these in a row otherwise I will succumb to severe couchlock hypnosis

I think the guys using the mailbag to passive aggressively torment/spring surprises on each other is my favorite gag

best comedy on earth

when you've got movies like Tom Cruise in them

i watched the first episode of this afew days ago.....does it get better? or do you just have to immerse yourself in the voib for a few episodes before you can get into it?

It’s my favorite television thing. You really need to immerse yourself (similar to the Best Show).

Immerse, my friend. Let it wash over you.

Six seasons of uncritical plaudits for every film under the sun was a magnificent setup for Tim's excoriating Ant-Man review.

I got into it through the spin-off, Decker.

https://pitchfork.com/news/tim-heidecker-and-greg-turkington-to-star-in-new-film-mister-america/

Oh god there are Oscar specials and a 12 hour long youtube clip ;_; I am going to have to watch it, I'm afraid. These guys are unreal.

didn't realize it until I went back but Tim's speech was a lot less garbled pre-brain surgery

for some reason the Oscar Specials are not on the Adult Swim streaming channel

i watched the first episode of this afew days ago.....does it get better?

at first it just seems like a shitty half-assed parody that does not feature any actual jokes, but as time goes on, the layers of comedy really accrue in an ingenious way

probably said this in the other thread but Tim's explanation of why he's paying for Ayaka's abortion despite being a staunch pro-lifer is the purest distillation of the right-wing ethos that I've ever heard

he just... he wasn't going to be in that situation

how come there are no animated gifs of Tim's guitar wanking faces, that shit is comedy gold

he just... he wasn't going to be in that situation

choices have to be on the table

i watched the first episode of this afew days ago.....does it get better? or do you just have to immerse yourself in the voib for a few episodes before you can get into it?

I don't know how to explain this to you but the "Stump the Buff" segment where Tim nails Gregg on the Star Trek/San Francisco trivia question is just as dramatic as the scene in Breaking Bad where Hank figures out who Heisenberg is

you must be talking about Star Trek II

which as Trekkie and non-Trekkie alike knows, takes place in San Francisco

haha

This playlist seems to comprise the definitive chronology of the On Cinema-verse (countdown to exasperated sic post detailing, at length,what's missing from said hi playlist): https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLRT5PdjVF-ipL5SPXbmZXzfBchXVR8JTo

(No idea where that rogue 'hi' came from so that would be sic gripe #1., I'm sure.)

I graciously accept your thanks for my recommending that playlist to you

I completely don’t get this

Popcorn Classic is a really useful term for a certain kind of movie.

I thank u, sic, although I spent a long while watching a different, much less complete YT playlist (after starting on the even less complete playlist on that one website) so I just wanted to make sure no one else made my stupid mistake. I give this latest playlist five bags of popcorn and a hundred cups of soda.

The later seasons of Decker aren’t on youtube btw, but iirc they stop interacting directly with On Cinema episodes so it doesn’t stand out badly

(The two Ant-Man movies also don’t appear in the playlist, but do very much affect On Cinema video and twitter content )

forks if you were starting at an early point, try dropping in on a S4 or 5 episode, when the Tim vs Gregg tone is better established & there’s loads of backstory, to see if it pings any better with you

eh I think starting in the beginning obscures what a slow build this show is

er starting in the MIDDLE

the whole of season 9 seems to be an extended satire on how annoying having dinner service at the Alamo Drafthouses is

"Tastes like a mouthful of dirt."

Todd Rundgren appears in the last episode of Decker...I knew that voice was familiar!!

"Why was he fired, did he forget to wipe down the microwave?"

if someone "completely doesn't get" the show at the beginning, pushing on through twenty episodes of more of the same is probably going to bore and annoy them

oh yeah, the full real-time Trial Of Tim Heidecker coverage isn't on youtube either, just 10-15 minutes highlights from each day (iirc that's all I watched, then switched over for the full verdict)

all 5 hours right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YWJcqISKJ

oops. I meant right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YWJcqISKJQ

the trial is astonishingly great. you HAVE to watch the full thing and not just the highlights.

the whole of season 9 seems to be an extended satire on how annoying having dinner service at the Alamo Drafthouses is

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 3, 2019 11:24 AM (forty-nine minutes ago)

the satire of the kind of fake fancy junk food you get in north america - e.g. everything coming with truffle aoili - was very good

I would say you can watch highlights of the trial until Tim fires his attorney and starts defending himself, then switch to the full thing

no!!!!!!!

a couple of my old acquaintances recently started a video game podcast. I listened to one episode and thought about On Cinema the whole time. one of the guys has probably played 20,000 hours of video games but has absolutely nothing insightful to say about them, it's so spot on that I've almost come to view Tim & Gregg as real people

Has anyone started an On On Cinema at the Cinema podcast yet

lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK_iydsYSiI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVuw80sbFZA&list=WL&index=5

I just watched shakey's clip the other day. It wouldn't be nearly as beautiful without the interviewer's overt lack of interest in Gregg's banalities.

Can you guess which album changed Gregg's life?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON4ZLquouHc

Tim looks great, fresh

ha i saw that picture on twitter and immediately thought "deck of cards"

this made me laugh pretty hard

so close !! that is a diamond 💕

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lmao

Looking forward to whatever diseases the Tim character will contract this season.

not looking forward to finding out what's going to happen with Kaili

I'm more worried about Tim, that G Amato guy seems sus.

how does Tim find so many weird old men to act in his various projects

Plenty in LA. They found Richard Dunn through going threough resumes and headshots, IIRC.

Kaili has even less of an on camera persona than Ayaka. love the implication that she's really just auditioning for the gas station TV or whatever

tim's first four bagger in how many seasons???

looking back on the wiki page that lists all their film ratings is killing me

House of Gucci
Tim's rating: 5 Bags, Golden Soda, Glass of Wine
Gregg's rating: Banned from Rating Movies
Manuel's rating: 5 Bags

Strong "On Cinema On Location" vibe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9eSD0COcBA

lmao

incredible

the part where he gets on the train and then speaks more quietly afterward - that's my favorite

I try to guess what will happen in every On Cinema but I’m completely stumped by this season. I have no idea where it’s going.

I was thinking a love triangle between Tim, G. Amato, and Kaili, but who the fuck knows.

ive been putting off watching this for ages just because the breadth and disorganization of it all was overwhelming, but i recently went down a hyperfocus rabbithole, downloaded everything, put it on my plex, and put it all in an enormous playlist in broadcast order, and i am finally watching it all, including decker and all. just finished the ep where they talk about the fate of tom cruise heidecker, ooooof that's a tough one

putting it alllll in a playlist and watching it like this i still feel like i'm only getting like 70% of it, i should probably be pairing it with that timeline site so i can read the tweets lol

thought this might be about office hours today, coming on in about an hour, which is being guest hosted by Tom Scharpling in a "switcheroo" with The Best Show.

speaking of, did anyone else watch the Best Show with Tim hosting from Tuesday? it was kind of a weird one

i havent watched a proper twitch-era TBS yet, just a solid chunk of the marathon. still been listening to the pod. i might give the office hours live a shot today for tom tho -- is it just a youtube live stream?

yeah, you can watch the whole thing as it happens here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZBhhx-tb_w

and then later, i think they only offer the first half (first hour of 2 hours) on youtube and you have to be a subscriber to watch the whole thing

honestly, i rarely delve into office hours, or even the best show. they're just too long. even on cinema, which i love...i'm still back on season 8 or 9, trying to catch up. it's a lot

i've grown to really love office hours. the dynamic between tim, doug, and vic is really enjoyable, they balance out tim's abrasive persona that he slips in and out of. never seen/heard the best show and my only exposure to tom sharpling was his guest appearance on office hours, which i didn't find notable, so not sure what to expect today

tim's abrasive persona that he slips in and out of

yeah, it was kind of jarring to see him on best show because...it just kind of came off as rude, heh. i'm not super familiar with best show but they had two kind of regulars on the line, on the telephone, throughout, and when one of them said something over the phone early on, tim seemed genuinely startled and annoyed that a voice could just come on the line, and he goes "who is this?", the guy said his name (i forgot), and then he said "you'll address me when i ask you to address me", or something like that. and it was kiiiinda funny? but then, he never went back to him again, for like the next 2 hours! instead, he completely ignored the whole best show crew that was on set and on the phone and instead just talked to two comedian friends that he invited, and they just kind of did the show by themselves with the best show people watching in silence.

as i type that out, it kind of seems like a bit, but...not really? i know comedians are just kind of rude, in general, but i didn't really enjoy watching that.

in contrast, when tom guest hosts office hours i full expect him to do interact a bunch with vic berger and dj douggpound

that does sound very awkward. the way tim interacts with callers on office hours can be painful sometimes, but callers really are boring much of the time and he seems to recognize that being abrasive can lead to some hilarious moments and also serves to keep things moving along quickly

yeah its funny because both both tim and tom obviously have hosting personas where they are jokingly rude & insulting to their cohosts, but each of those personas grew within the very specific & delicate personal dynamics of their individual shows, so what seems like gentle ribbing in one context can be very awkward & uncomfortable in another. i almost wish they would do it again, maybe once a year or something, because i feel like Tim would get a lot better on the Best Show once he got more comfortable with it & had a better sense of things.

oh shoot, forgot to actually post this here:

there was also this very awkward moment, the most awkward, in the last hour of the show. the one best show person that tim was acknowledging (because he was in the room) was the producer, jason, and he announced that the final hour would be a "no complaints" session, in which tim would not be allowed to complain. i think this might be a best show tradition, but i'm not sure, and tbh it seemed like tim wasn't sure either. then, jason announced that the special topic of the hour for callers would be to say what they think the best work tim has made, and then the very worst that he has made, and then reiterated that tim was not allowed to complain. tim seemed very uncomfortable with this, and if he was being intentional/comedic about it, i will say it was one of the greatest, most believable and subtle performances i've ever seen. if it was fake, he fooled me. he just seemed very unsure about the whole thing.

for most of the hour, the 'no complaining' and 'say your favorite and least favorite tim production' rules were fine, with the normal people who called in. (at the same time, they were also doing a worst 20 beatles list/brainstorming sesh, so that ate up most of the conversation). but then, near the end of the show they brought back 2 of the Best Show voices, the two guys on the telephone who were very briefly included as part of the show in the first 10 minutes and then completely ignored thereafter until this very point, near the end of the show. and one of the guys just kind of tore into tim's mistreatment of him on the show, how he had been completely ignored, referencing several times about meeting tim before the show and that how nice it was, but clearly mocking it, clearly it wasn't a good encounter, before the show. it went on for a while and then tim really had no real response -- again, if he was faking it he has become a fine actor, full stop -- and producer jason reiterated that it was a no complaint hour. it was very awkward! but also very gripping.

at the end of the show as they were signing off tim was, predictably, asking for reviews of his performance (one of the best show guys gave him 4 stars, lol), and jason mentioned what had happened earlier and explained that the guy on the phone was just doing a bit and he does it to everyone, that tom would have broken, etc. but tim didn't seem to believe that at all and frankly neither do i!

lol! i am actually going to xpost this to the best show thread because they will know a lot more about all of it, i'm sure.

i contemplated calling in but i'm glad i did not. there were only two things i could think of to talk about. one was an idea tim had earlier in the show, a prompt which starts "The Earth's population crossed 8 billion people today. But still, ..." and then he wanted people to suggest possible joke endings for that. that idea bombed, no one mentioned it and it was just dropped. but i thought i could call in and suggest "but still, we're gonna keep counting the number of people", which seemed really funny to me for a minute but i think would be brutally torn down by tim and probably hurt my feelings. the second thing was that i was going to give him an honest answer on the worst production he's done, which is the million dollar movie. i have some thoughts on that movie and saw it in the theater with someone whose personality and sense of humor is the exact opposite of tim heidecker. later, i realized that my thoughts would have been very boring and would have taken too long to explain. i also realized it was called billion dollar movie, not million dollar movie, and that they would have called me out on that and i would have improvised a joke about how it barely looked like a million dollar movie tbh, and that would have bombed. finally, while reading about billion dollar movie i learned his wife was produced that one

I love Office Hours, though I don't watch it regularly I have a real hard time shutting it off when I do

Tim definitely gets defensive in interviews sometimes and there are lots of times when I wonder if he's being a jerk or doing a bit. In fact that's kind of his whole comedic persona. fwiw I think it's not the worst quality in a podcast host since he's generally good at figuring out which bits and which callers are actually gonna result in something good, rather than just humoring everyone.

fwiw I've heard a lot of nice things about him privately. there are stories about him after shows hanging out, signing stuff and taking pictures with everyone, which is something I wouldn't really expect I guess

xpost oh god, i would never call in. i'm fully aware i can't handle the humiliation of being a bad caller. and it's kind of random what turns into a decent conversation and what gets ridiculed anyway

I called in one time, went well. I asked about a mention of a very early Tim & Eric performance (opening for The Shins live at Maxwell's) in the Yo La Tengo book. Then I said hi to Doug because I'd been exchanging music with him via email.

Tim can be brutal to callers but as a caller you have to have good awareness as to whether you are bringing any dull and/or try-hard energy. If neither you'll be fine.

Also I don't think Tim was uncomfortable at all at Best Show, and I don't think the guy (Pat?) giving Tim shit went over Tim's head. Tim has done so so so many "tense uncomfortable confrontation" bits in his career. Very experienced in playing that situation from either angle.

oh ha, i actually remember that call, gj not fucking it up!

Thanks!

Tim has done so so so many "tense uncomfortable confrontation" bits in his career

it's true...it's just incredible, the progress he has made in depicting them, lol

since we're not talking about the new episode of On Cinema I'll just say nobody yells "Fuck you" quite like Tim Heidecker

lmao next episode is gonna be a good one

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my daughter asked me today if Black Panther was a sequel to Pink Panther and I couldn't stop laughing

I knew there would be body horror this season. The first time Tim opened his mouth I lost it.

lol how bout this week

lost my shit every time tim chugged the groundwater

Oh my god the Larue reveal

Gregg storming back in to take back his "Double Date" videotapes was so funny. that's exactly the sort of thing my 8 year old does with the kitchen timer he loves so much

the actress playing Kaili Amato is making me laugh more with every episode, shes really killing it

yeah I was gonna say the same thing. was kinda bummed that Rafael Torres never came back because I thought they could get a lot of mileage out of a character like that. curious what the big reveal with her is gonna be

I overhead my partner debating with her sister about a Furby she had as a kid. She insisted she had the new millennium edition, but the photo on Wikipedia didn't match her memory of its fur being silver tinsel. Turns out, it was actually a "champagne" edition. She argued that was close enough, since people popped champagne on Y2k New Year's Eve. It struck me as a very Gregg bit of reasoning.

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