but then at the same time as matt says that sets his premiership on fire and would be a very serious situation for a deeply unserious man
― ||||||||, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:02 (four years ago) link
I think Hunt & Gove wld be 'stronger', more autocratic PMs. mb the 'anyone but Boris' crew will get behind Gove
― ogmor, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:04 (four years ago) link
If Raab gets a decent headwind he could split the hard Brexit vote and prevent either of them getting on the final ballot.
Is there a single Remain Tory in the race or have they all decided there's just no point?
― Matt DC,
Given the strong numbers, could brexiters look at this and think we can split the hard brexit vote and make sure both are on the final ballot, Boris has voters to spare that could go to Raab if they wanted too game it?
― anvil, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:06 (four years ago) link
Stewart is the ideal candidate from a Labour POV bc he can't possibly bring in the Tory right and Brexit crew, so he wld probably lose any election. Gove or Johnson would just have to appeal to a few more centrists than Corbyn, which isn't too hard to imagine
― ogmor, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:06 (four years ago) link
xps
It's strange listening to Polly these days without thinking about recently read accounts about her dad getting blind drunk with his soviet agent best pal Donald Maclean and trashing numerous flats!
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:11 (four years ago) link
If he's in the last two (and unless he fucks a corpse he is), then he's the next PM.
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:19 (four years ago) link
given that a lot of the focus on boris’ campaign has been about his lack of moral core - I’m dubious about his ability to bring cameroonian social liberals back into the fold. he will probably try a turbo charged version of the may strategy - maximise the white vote.
― ||||||||, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:25 (four years ago) link
he was quite punchy and dead eyed in his launch presser. now he’s refusing to do debates. I’m worried that he’s met w bannon, gauged the nation’s frustration, seen how may got away with a lot due to “stubbornness” and taken that recent poll at face value that showed GBP would overwhelmingly welcome a strong (ie authoritarian) leader right now... troubling cocktail
― ||||||||, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:28 (four years ago) link
From what I can see Rory has generated a ton of noise and one effect is that he has cut space for any of Johnson's rivals. the viable alternatives haven't cut through at all have they? It might already be it for any of them, if you go by first impressions.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:32 (four years ago) link
My feeling is his Brexit platform in a GE will be the same handwavey blustering Churchillian bollocks as normal. Question is whether enough voters fall for it.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:39 (four years ago) link
Question is whether enough voters fall for it.
How many of the voters that would fall for, have already decamped to Farage though? This brings them back?
― anvil, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:41 (four years ago) link
What would Churchill do about Brexit I wonder?*
* This is a joke I am not doing this
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:42 (four years ago) link
hunt has already asked “what would churchill think about boris ducking debates?” lmao
― ||||||||, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:45 (four years ago) link
Perhaps, yeah. It did in the early years of May's leadership.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:50 (four years ago) link
appropriate that the opinion of a dead guy that used to often nod off and soil himself half way through incoherent rambles is very germane to the subject here!
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:50 (four years ago) link
i mean lol what the undiluted imperialist and massive racist churchill did was yard-sale the empire to save the heartland so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
― mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:51 (four years ago) link
iirc it was Jess Phillips two weeks ago. I see a pattern.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:24 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
If we add Diane Abbott, does the pattern get clearer, or more blurry, clearer, or more blurry?
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:58 (four years ago) link
(I'm aware this joke will be lost on those with perfect eyesight, but fuck 'em)
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:59 (four years ago) link
I don't know if Brexit Party voters come back if they choose someone else, I'm not sure how many come back even if they do choose Boris.
Depends on your view of how long-term a serious Brexit Party is, whether they're going to be a real factor, if they'd do some kind of pact or not. That section of the electorate has surely been hardened and Brexit Party seem a lot more professional than ukip, if still overly reliant on the big man up front for goals
― anvil, Friday, 14 June 2019 08:59 (four years ago) link
rip sam gyimah
― conrad, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:01 (four years ago) link
There was a guy knocked out yesterday I'd never even heard of.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:02 (four years ago) link
The Brexit Party isn't especially interested in winning seats, it exists to change the policies of the Tory Party. If Johnson or Raab wins then they've done their job and from then on it's about putting enough electoral pressure on the Tories to ensure they fall in line, but not so much they shred the vote and let Labour in.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:04 (four years ago) link
iirc it was Jess Phillips two weeks ago. I see a pattern.― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 June 2019 12:24 (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post PermalinkIf we add Diane Abbott, does the pattern get clearer, or more blurry, clearer, or more blurry?― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Really blurry. Are you saying you stan for the woman who boasted about abusing Diane Abbott AND Diane Abbott?!
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:13 (four years ago) link
Fuck I'm really impressed.
Jeremy Hunt: 'What would Churchill say of Johnson hiding away?'
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:19 (four years ago) link
all politics must now be conducted according to the presumed opinions of someone who died over 50 years ago
― Captain ACAB (Neil S), Friday, 14 June 2019 09:25 (four years ago) link
WWCD
― ogmor, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:26 (four years ago) link
A step up from Founding Fathers™ worship.
― pomenitul, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:28 (four years ago) link
Sorry poster |||| was alreday on it upthread.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:29 (four years ago) link
dead churchy still having a big influence on the conservative party membership, heck he hangs out with most of 'em.
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:32 (four years ago) link
Yes but what if voters disagree and vote for them in sufficient number? Whats to stop Peterborough repeating?
If Raab or Boris wins have they done their job? Is that enough for them of for their voters? By itself thats meaningless to them
and even if their interest isn't in winning seats, does that change once that becomes a possibility
― anvil, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:45 (four years ago) link
I think he means that no one cares when Abbott pals around with Tories she knew as a kid, or goes to the Spectator party or whatever. But there's literally nothing than can be gained by a) encouraging another pile-on on Diane Abbott or b) adding to the total sum of conversation about Jess Phillips in any way.
― Matt DC, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:48 (four years ago) link
I'd be impressed if that is what he means.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 09:57 (four years ago) link
This all started from me pulling a garbage tweet from MLC and he being the only person who put a ridiculous, positive spin on it - and then it turned out he was a fan. He was asked questions as to why he'd go down a road few have travelled and we've yet to get an answer.
Two weeks or so ago he was giving William Empson a run for his money on a reading of a throwaway joke about me 'trolling' Jess Phillips out of the Labour Party, trying to connect that to gutter bullshit from UKIP people.
Forgive me for not quite buying his reasoning on anything whatsoever.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:04 (four years ago) link
Hancock out.
― suzy, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:15 (four years ago) link
Will anyone ever notice the inconsequential numpt again? Is what not many people are thinking.
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 10:25 (four years ago) link
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/884/521/353.gif
― RUSSIA’S SEXIEST POKER STAR ELECTROCUTED BY HAIRDRYER (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:32 (four years ago) link
well, he's had his half hour
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:54 (four years ago) link
oof
― Captain ACAB (Neil S), Friday, 14 June 2019 10:56 (four years ago) link
this joke brought to you courtesy of Father's Day
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 June 2019 11:03 (four years ago) link
Like it.
― John Harris is a Guardian columnist (Tom D.), Friday, 14 June 2019 11:10 (four years ago) link
I am, for the record, not devoted to MLC qua MLC - I rarely read her articles, and only read her Twitter as a source of news - UK Politics being one of the areas where the idea of ILX as an all-encompassing aggregator falls the fuck down.
That said, people reacting to that tweet as 'omfg the mask is finally off' are clowning themselves, and I am happy to help.
My devotion was a product of / reaction to the inept assassinations - on the one hand some post-Gamergate trash account has a photo not found anywhere else on the internet which may be MLC a decade ago in the pub with people who may or may not be who they claim - and without any irony follows up with the doxing bullshit. A few days before they retweeted that Maria Miller once said something nice about Owen Jones, so that's alright.
The other is just Comrade Alphabet have a stroke (either def).
― Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 June 2019 12:08 (four years ago) link
in tomorrows graun Jess Phillips talks about what a big influence her own book has had on her life - and modesty aside - how hilarious and brilliant it is .. a bit like me etc...
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 12:26 (four years ago) link
meant that for the other thread re: Corbz Joyce piece .. but nm!
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 12:28 (four years ago) link
Churchill changed party twice iirc (well, once and back) so therefore Chuka is the most Churchillian politician today QED
― a passing spacecadet, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:02 (four years ago) link
Also most Mosleyite politician same logic
― Oy McVey (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 June 2019 13:07 (four years ago) link
sir shortly floor cross
― mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:08 (four years ago) link
My devotion was a product of / reaction to the inept assassinations - on the one hand some post-Gamergate trash account has a photo not found anywhere else on the internet which may be MLC a decade ago in the pub with people who may or may not be who they claim - and without any irony follows up with the doxing bullshit.
― stress tweeting (gyac), Friday, 14 June 2019 13:12 (four years ago) link
I think dead churchy mainly had his moment because post Munich '38 it was felt that rich big business pols had their time and fucked everything up and he was more of a national candidate, so in that respect a shameless shill like Chuka is quite the opposite of Churchillian!
― calzino, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:12 (four years ago) link
the name dead churchy has reminded me that earlier today while editing i discovered what some of you young uns doubtless know, which is there is an irish producer called "famous eno", so not everything is bad not good
― mark s, Friday, 14 June 2019 13:18 (four years ago) link