The car's on fire and there's no driver at the wheel - The Tory leadership elections

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Following the triumphant premierships of Cameron and May who do you think will be next to drive the clown car.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Boris Johnson 7
Michael Gove 6
Some other Muppet 4
Jeremy Hunt 4
Rory Stewart 3
Penny Mordaunt 3
Jacob Rees-Mogg 2
Andrea Leadsom 1
Sajid Javid 0
Liz Truss 0
James Cleverly 0
Amber Rudd 0
Ruth Davidson 0
Priti Patel 0
Dominic Raab] 0
Nicky Morgan 0
George Freeman (who?) 0
Esther McVey 0
Justine Greening 0
Matthew Hancock 0
Steve Baker 0


Dan Worsley, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:24 (one month ago) Permalink

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mark s, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Latest odds:

Boris Johnson – 3/1
Dominic Raab – 5/1
Michael Gove – 8/1
Jeremy Hunt – 10/1
Andrea Leadsom – 16/1
Matthew Hancock – 16/1
Rory Stewart – 16/1
Sajid Javid – 16/1
Penny Mordaunt – 20/1
Amber Rudd – 33/1
Jacob Rees-Mogg – 33/1
James Cleverly – 33/1
Priti Patel – 33/1
50/1 bar

Hancock may be worth a punt at 16/1 but would expect someone going for the full Brexit. Bold prediction it won't be BoJo.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Docked points for resisting 'cunt-off'

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:26 (one month ago) Permalink

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics/british-politics/next-conservative-leader

them odds are stale, boris is widely available at odds on.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:32 (one month ago) Permalink

My feeling is that the old rules of 'dull compromise candidate wins' don't work any more with their newish voting system, so people may be overrating Jeremy Hunt

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2019 13:32 (one month ago) Permalink

xp love reading the 750-1 odds whenever these things come up.

This time: William Hague, Ken Clarke, Michael Portillo, Grant Shapps, John Redwood, Louise Bagshawe, Heidi Allen

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2019 13:37 (one month ago) Permalink

people may be overrating Jeremy Hunt

this goes without saying, i'm just noting that he'll win

mark s, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:41 (one month ago) Permalink

he's a steady cuntinuity character.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Was a bit premature with my list as a big beast prepares to enter the fray:

Sir Graham Brady confirms he's considering standing to be PM so has stood down as chair of the 1922 backbench committee

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) May 24, 2019

Dan Worsley, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I can't believe you put Liz Truss above Some other Muppet.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 13:44 (one month ago) Permalink

to be fair to the tories, this only underscores what a deep bench of ghouls, frauds, idiots and maniacs they have

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 May 2019 13:46 (one month ago) Permalink

that lad who was 7th person to take the dwp brief in 2 years, really stood head and shoulders above the rest of them by erm.. being welsh.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 14:26 (one month ago) Permalink

And sexting to 17 year old constituents - that was him wasn't it?

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:27 (one month ago) Permalink

... I beg his pardon, 19 year old.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:28 (one month ago) Permalink

and i seem to recall rumours he was afflicted with some old good fashioned christian fundamentalist hypocrisy when it came to fucking men as well!

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 14:31 (one month ago) Permalink

it'll be Rory won't it?

thomasintrouble, Friday, 24 May 2019 14:33 (one month ago) Permalink

too fey and asexual for nasty party imo.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 14:34 (one month ago) Permalink

the logical conclusion of that post could mean I'm sexually attracted to Boris and Theresa. Just checking if my local vets practice castrates humans as well.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 14:45 (one month ago) Permalink

the internet's thriving nullo community has come great diy advice if the vet is reluctant

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Went for Penny Morduant - little to no public profile (and if you want to do evil and fool ppl that you aren't quite that this is important), and a Brexiteer. Kate Maltby said that (unlike Leadsom) she isn't socially conservative. Lol and all but if she can get to a Cameron-type likeability across then I can see it happening.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:19 (one month ago) Permalink

negatives: name is a jk rowling villain

imago, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Negatives only to libs, the con faithful are all 1000 years old and wouldn't know wtf that is

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:26 (one month ago) Permalink

xxp I think not socially conservative is a little bit of a stretch because that certainly doesn’t apply to her stance on the military or historical war crimes

gyac, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:30 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah totally, what Kate must mean is will be sympathetic on women's issues or some such guff.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:34 (one month ago) Permalink

cometh the hour cometh the man, michael gove

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:45 (one month ago) Permalink

Voted Gove cos he’s clearly done the legwork to make fellow MPs forget what a snake he was, he’s headbanger enough for ERG & the membership and has a lot of press sympathy. Plus the MPs can block Boris but they can’t block everyone and Gove seems as likely to get to the final two this time as anyone. Plus let’s face it, the banter heuristic demands it.

gyac, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Too weird looking to be PM, sorry not sorry.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:48 (one month ago) Permalink

This is also SV’s logic but it doesn’t apply outside a GE scenario (and applies to Stewart at least as much?)

gyac, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:49 (one month ago) Permalink

Applies to 95 percent of UK prime ministers tbh

specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:51 (one month ago) Permalink

And also Gove is what the Tory party (but afaict no other part of the country) considers to be warm and intellectual and personable, so...

gyac, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Too weird looking to be PM, sorry not sorry.


This didn’t stop a whole string of them before tbh

Voted Gove as well.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:56 (one month ago) Permalink

negatives: name is a jk rowling villain

last time they basically chose Dolores Umbridge, so

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:58 (one month ago) Permalink

Write-in vote for Coldplay's In-a-Gadda-da-Vida album

specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:58 (one month ago) Permalink

weird looking UK PM's from the old era don't count, these days Anthony Eden would get arrested walking too slowly past a school. Back then he was a certified sex symbol - proof: he had a hat named after him!

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:03 (one month ago) Permalink

Hitler had a moustache named after him tbf

specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:04 (one month ago) Permalink

if you asked for a Hitler on Savile Row they wouldn't pass you a moustache tho!

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:06 (one month ago) Permalink

Hold on, Boris isn't popular enough with the (non-Tory) general public but Michael Gove is??!?!? This is Boris all the way unless there's a concerted effort by the parliamentary party to stop him, in which case it's Raab. Hunt insufficiently Brexity.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:11 (one month ago) Permalink

the general public just need the same XXX strength beer goggles sarah Vine wears.

calzino, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:13 (one month ago) Permalink

Feel like the canniest candidates might just turn up on Love Island this summer

specific goats my way (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:13 (one month ago) Permalink

I’m talking about this specific election which is confined to Tory MPs and members. Gove would get turned over in a GE.

gyac, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:13 (one month ago) Permalink

(xxp) Sarah Vine, there's another drawback. I'm wondering if Boris might even decide to sit this one out when he realizes the enormity of the shitshow that's developing.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:15 (one month ago) Permalink

This is the thing - he'll have to do work, which is beneath him

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:17 (one month ago) Permalink

Sarah Vine would be piiiiiiiiiiisssed offffffff if she had to give up her column, for which she is paid silly but not quite Boris Johnson at the Telegraph money. Come to think of it, Boris Johnson must be skint from divorce lawyers etc....

suzy, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Oh yeah he won't be able to keep it in whenever he meets a hot head of state either.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Boris wins the vote.

He calls a GE as soon as the reins are in his hand, convinced of his own popularity.

He loses.

Mark G, Friday, 24 May 2019 23:16 (one month ago) Permalink

...to such an alarming degree he's forced into forming a coalition government with Labour.

Zeuhl Idol (Matt #2), Saturday, 25 May 2019 01:00 (four weeks ago) Permalink

What, those Marxists?!

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 May 2019 07:05 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Matt Hancock, who is apparently the Health Secretary, has thrown his hat into the ring.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Saturday, 25 May 2019 08:15 (four weeks ago) Permalink

*cough* called it

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 07:59 (yesterday) Permalink

How much one-nation toryism has there really been in the last 40 odd years? but Boris has learned from Cameron that you can do all sorts of ruthless social engineering murder policies and still pay lip service to it, and that's all that really matters to the press who will constantly parrot it as a credential without any analysis or thought.

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:12 (yesterday) Permalink

I think "one nation" means not publicly calling for the murder of LGBTQ+ people and keeping your racism on the down low oh hang on

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:28 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm still lost here, who are these one nation tories? Michael Heseltine? Gary Lineker?

anvil, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:29 (yesterday) Permalink

That's just a video of Bannon chatting shit isn't it? Unless they can get evidence of recent contact...just unsure how seriously to take anything Carole Cadwalladr writes about.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:45 (yesterday) Permalink

Even New Labour were only half-arsed One Nation Tories, cos after the crash they were forced to show their true Thatcherite colours.

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:47 (yesterday) Permalink

xp you are so dementedly anti-Cadwalladr that that's your take? Jesus wept

although I guess we did already know that he was in cahoots with the neofascist vanguard

imago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:49 (yesterday) Permalink

Right, it just adds nothing extra. Its not as if the guy wouldn't be racist if he hadn't met Bannon. Or as if the UK is a wonderful place for migrants and its now under threat because of it.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 09:53 (yesterday) Permalink

I'm not see whats so damning in the Bannon clip?

And what is damning in any future General Election is not the same thing as damning his bid for leadership. its all so intangible. Trump talking about the NHS? Thats tangible, and enough to have had an effect

There's probably a cumulative effect to all this stuff, but I don't know how significant - beyond a certain point it ceases to become a story

anvil, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:08 (yesterday) Permalink

the point is that Boris has repeatedly claimed that he didn't meet with Bannon nor solicit any advice. But Bannon certainly has form in exaggerating his own importance.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:10 (yesterday) Permalink

Even Trump talking about the NHS is a side-show - he'll see it as a deal like anything else if its ever put in front of him. What about the state of it today in many parts of the country, or its ongoing privatization?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:14 (yesterday) Permalink

Scottish independence voting intention (ft. scenario prompting Boris Johnson being UK Prime Minister):

Yes: 53%
No: 47%

via @Panelbase, last week

— Britain Elects (@britainelects) June 23, 2019

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:16 (yesterday) Permalink

rip woke Ruth

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:17 (yesterday) Permalink

how is it still so close

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:18 (yesterday) Permalink

Scotland should stick around just in case the overdue Tory permaban kicks in tbh

imago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:18 (yesterday) Permalink

I guess you can only wait so long

imago, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:18 (yesterday) Permalink

how is it still so close

That's exactly what I thought.

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:22 (yesterday) Permalink

lol the union’s gonna die

turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:22 (yesterday) Permalink

"ts: boris johnson vs wings over scotland" is how i break it down to an extent

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:24 (yesterday) Permalink

i'm sure that the technology already exists to solve the Scottish backstop problem

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:25 (yesterday) Permalink

late show: a warning from history

gove is gove (bad not good), morley is morley (good not bad)*, the greer sisters are differentially problematic (germaine is terrible, bonnie is mildly blairite) -- and no one has yet mentioned the brexit beatle >:|

*has he ever made a single political noise of any kind?

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:36 (yesterday) Permalink

lol the union’s not gonna die

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:45 (yesterday) Permalink

I am a bit interested in her, in that I never picked up her being so full of bile and froth when she was reviewing things on TV. I don't know if I was just a poor judge of character or if she's been somehow radicalised since then.

― Alba, Saturday, 22 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

That was a long time ago she was on TV reviewing things.

― Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Saturday, 22 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

also she was bad

― mark s, Saturday, 22 June 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Poor woman and two-year-old murdered by partner in Essex. Neighbour shouted at police: "You KNEW this was going to happen & did nothing."

— Allison Pearson (@allisonpearson) June 6, 2011

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:46 (yesterday) Permalink

i am crossed out there because as always i am correct

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 10:49 (yesterday) Permalink

Right, it just adds nothing extra. Its not as if the guy wouldn't be racist if he hadn't met Bannon. Or as if the UK is a wonderful place for migrants and its now under threat because of it.

Are we really flogging the argument that because things are bad they can't get meaningfully worse?

One Nation Tories are in the minority these days but I'd guess the supposedly liberal Cameron contingent is reasonably prominent. For those people it's about the optics - it's not about the logical consistency of going "well this amount of hostile environment was OK but Steve Bannon is beyond the pale" - although they will do that. But being associated with a straight-up fascist like Bannon is a terrible look for a party that needs the votes of the socially liberal to win.

Looking like you're a cog in a supranational far right conspiracy isn't exactly a great look either but most voters won't think like that anyway.

Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:11 (yesterday) Permalink

Are we really flogging the argument that because things are bad they can't get meaningfully worse?

I don't think Carole writes up something on Bannon praising Johnson means things getting worse but sure go ahead and 'flog' this one.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:19 (yesterday) Permalink

I don't think there are any significant number of One Nation Tories at all in terms of there being a clique who would put social policies over economic ones or who aren't fully committed to that ol' free market or have any record of campaigning for a better model of wealth redistribution. Maybe that is judging what makes a one-tory by the old definition or whatever, but makes one these days is not very clearly defined or even complete bullshit as far as I can see.

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:34 (yesterday) Permalink

* what makes one*

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:34 (yesterday) Permalink

*fucking typing*

calzino, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:35 (yesterday) Permalink

Did you watch the video? He isn't just praising him, he's claiming he advised him.

Tracer's read that Bannon might be exaggerating his own importance seems pretty credible to me. But even if he was just praising him it would still be newsworthy because it would suggest that Bannon *was* expecting things to get materially worse for a lot of people, and that our most likely next PM might have done something to give him that idea. Even if it isn't of itself hugely significant in the grand scale of things that doesn't make it a non-story or something to be shrugged off.

(xxxpost)

Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:39 (yesterday) Permalink

It’s a side note. It doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be covered but framing it as proving Johnson is Bannon’s ‘protege’ does nothing for the credibility of journalists meant to be holding Johnson and his backers up to scrutiny. You only have to look at the front pages of the Telegraph, Mail, Sun, etc, to know there is a coordinated effort by the rich and influential to make Johnson PM. Elevating the importance of a gin-addled old wretch, based on nothing more than his own bragging, to a pivotal cog in the machine just obfuscates what’s actually happening imo.

ShariVari, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:52 (yesterday) Permalink

The bigger question is why on earth Johnson would need to take advice from Bannon. Because as out of touch as Boris is its not like he doesn't know how to play the media or knows less about the UK than a man who thinks Yaxley-Lennon represents the backbone of this country. It isn't worth the risk.

The only reason I can think of for his involvement is that its a condition of campaign funding and even then I'm sceptical because its not like Johnson couldn't easily get the money from somewhere else.

Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:54 (yesterday) Permalink

broader web of connections with Trump and his people and Farage/Banks i think, and sure Bannon is the loose cannon gobshite amongst that crowd but

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 11:57 (yesterday) Permalink

Matt - I didn't watch it at first, just read the piece and massively eyerolled at the thing.

Now I have and I need more than a few texts exchanged/ "advice" - we all knew there is more than nothing but if this is to become substantial I need more meat on the bones of this "advice" business.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:02 (yesterday) Permalink

to be clear i think this is only really relevant to the extent it might indicate a determined play for No Deal by Johnson as PM

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:04 (yesterday) Permalink

Maybe Boris isn't as smart as people think he is. Shockah!

Orpheus Knutt (Tom D.), Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:04 (yesterday) Permalink

cadwalladr has a v unhelpful* tendency to hype everything as bad largely bcz ultimately routing back to a vast putin-devised and -run machine, which
(a) overlooks (in fact lol "erases") the more urgently present role of homegrown media and (as SV says) "the rich and the influential", and
(b) allows nitwits to then sketch in their own idiotic connections (putin = stalin = MR seamas milne = chairman alph etc)

*unhelpful not least bcz it gets such breathless traction from ppl who actually aren't themselves terrible on the badness of our media (like peter jukes)

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:06 (yesterday) Permalink

It might also indicate that Boris has bitten off more than he chew in his quest for Number 10 and started playing with forces over which he has minimal control - as opposed the ones where he does like a largely supine British press. I definitely wouldn't rule out stupidity here.

Matt DC, Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:07 (yesterday) Permalink

One nation Tory strongholds - the isle of sodor , Brensham, Kembleford; and the last one living might well be uncle Quentin.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 23 June 2019 12:38 (yesterday) Permalink

You only have to look at the front pages of the Telegraph, Mail, Sun, etc, to know there is a coordinated effort by the rich and influential to make Johnson PM.

I don't disagree with this, but Boris has been runaway fav from day one, the RW press want to back a winner early, and right now the alternative is Hunt. Its difficult to see why they would be any different, its backing the strongest horse. What will they get from Boris that they won't get from Hunt?

anvil, Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:01 (yesterday) Permalink

chaotically unexpected copy

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:06 (yesterday) Permalink

hunt only delivers "ludicrously unexpected copy"

mark s, Sunday, 23 June 2019 13:06 (yesterday) Permalink

carrie symonds, according to the times tonight, 'appears to be a carefree blonde, but is a formidable campaigner'

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:28 (yesterday) Permalink

same

turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:43 (yesterday) Permalink

probably missing a subclause around wine stains, idk, xp

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:50 (yesterday) Permalink

teabag pressing tho....

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Sunday, 23 June 2019 20:54 (yesterday) Permalink

Hold on, isn’t this entirely spontaneous and non planned photograph Stasi interference into people’s private lives? https://t.co/LrVMffuQ7r

— Owen Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) June 24, 2019

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 24 June 2019 12:32 (three hours ago) Permalink

*scrutinises pixels*

I’m told by the Boris Johnson campaign that the picture is genuinely from Sunday.

Here - just to pass the time - is what Johnson’s hair looked like on Saturday so everyone can compare and contrast

Still hoping copyright of Sunday photo released.... pic.twitter.com/4aimcLHuHG

— Sam Coates Sky (@SamCoatesSky) June 24, 2019

turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 June 2019 12:42 (three hours ago) Permalink

maybe 'scrutonises' would be more apt tbh

turn me on and press my teabag (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 24 June 2019 12:42 (three hours ago) Permalink

Hope he can grow the economy as quick

— Steptoe (@Steptoesyard) June 24, 2019

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 24 June 2019 13:30 (two hours ago) Permalink


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