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ITT talk about John Wick and movies. about John Wick

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Firstly: world-building is usually just another term for fan service and its therefore usually bad.

This applies here also.

But they manage to absorb the hit and keep momentum going, for the most part.

Like John Wick

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Secondly: Meta casting is a good thing and can be worth twenty mins of exposition, exposition being the devil.

This applies here also and is a significant ingredient in the franchise success so far

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:52 (one week ago) Permalink

Thirdly: Looks as good as a raven in a silk cloak shot like a George Michael video in 1995

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Fourth(ly?)- hums along with the internal rhythms of a norse saga

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:55 (one week ago) Permalink

The problem with the fishburne casting isn’t that it’s meta it’s that the scene is very bad and long and he is very very bad in it

milkshake chuk (wins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:59 (one week ago) Permalink

that comes under world-building imo

all casting in this is meta casting fishburne is minor stuff

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:12 (one week ago) Permalink

I only saw the first JW movie last week. The action is hilariously brutal.

. (Michael B), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:16 (one week ago) Permalink

I always feel like a cop for suggesting these films might actually be better without the tedious bits but yeah it all comes under “world building”. I believe it was our skot who said “ppl love rules I guess”

milkshake chuk (wins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:24 (one week ago) Permalink

well look fanfic is demonstrably an evil in this world, not all world-building or expansion is that and some of it is good but mostly its terrible

theres enough good about the wicks not to dwell tho

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:30 (one week ago) Permalink

having the inciting incident of these movies being the murder of the world’s most adorable puppy is maybe the best plotting decision in cinema history imo

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:31 (one week ago) Permalink

not because i hate puppies but because it means whatever carnage wick unleashes is 140% justified

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:32 (one week ago) Permalink

it absolutely matters, yeah

i cant even remember how the line is delivered in the first one or if im just imagining it but the main dudes incredulous "you shot john wicks DOGGGGGGG?" when he discovers why his entire org must fall is a good mood setter for the entire series.

yeah ridiculous and yeah funny but also sorry you all have to die and nobody has to care thats the way it is bub

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:36 (one week ago) Permalink

these movies are, i think, the very best keanu vehicles because he’s a really gifted physical actor and they are stripped of almost everything which gets in the way of letting him move

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:42 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah, sure they dont even let the poor bugger stop afaict

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 07:50 (one week ago) Permalink

The second one's background/world-building were never going to live up to the whole sequence of John Leguizamo sipping on a Scotch looking weary, "he killed John Wick's dog" "oh," O'Riley from Oz as henchman all cross cut with Wick breaking up concrete to get to his guns and coins.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:16 (one week ago) Permalink

cant see that as world building

thats just setting a comeuppance

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:19 (one week ago) Permalink

the worldbuiiding, such as it is, works because it’s inherently kinda silly and cartoonish, ie a good backdrop for the ultraviolent looney tunes of the action sequences

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:20 (one week ago) Permalink

it works as far as it does because its surrounded by excellence

if the execution(s) or keanu were any less superb then it would drag the movie down into just another cynical nerd/completionista exploitation flick

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:22 (one week ago) Permalink

Lovejoy's hotel for assassins concierged by Cedric Daniels is definitely a place I would stay

Captain ACAB (Neil S), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:24 (one week ago) Permalink

it is p much the job i see him quitting the cessmire of major crimes for, def

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:24 (one week ago) Permalink

cynical’s an interesting word to bring up in this context - are these the least cynical action movies of recent times? like, the whole thing is an exercise in the joy of motion more than anything else - it’s like the olympics but with more neon violence and less shocking corporate corruption

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:25 (one week ago) Permalink

they are very lean, which i think is at least aligned to non-cynical, in that you have to add in elements to get cynicism (among other things)

all centres on keanu, rly. you cam project a lot, or nothing, onto his casting/role/performance

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:29 (one week ago) Permalink

keanu is very lean too

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Tbh it’s only in the second one that the bad stuff drags the fun stuff down - the fucking barter system of hogwarts assassin guild or whatever should have as little time spent on it as possible because it’s embarrassing shit however you deadpan it. I only saw it once but it felt like 20 long minutes at a time of that stuff between action scenes when I was in the cinema. The version of jw2 that’s 90 minutes long may well be lean

Still up for pt 3 obv

milkshake chuk (wins), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 08:44 (one week ago) Permalink

david lean six sigma thats how good this is gonna be

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 09:22 (one week ago) Permalink

smdh at first one; needed a shower after

if this is satire, it forgot to be satirical

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 10:57 (one week ago) Permalink

is it satirical?

i wouldn't have said so.

knowing, but not winking.

if you cant appreciate it for what it is then i think abe had a line for you to use as a future guide

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 10:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Started re-watching 2 last night - I think my favorite bit is when Keanu arrives in Rome and the proprietor of the local Continental asks him if he's there to kill the Pope. When the answer (after a long pause) is no, the guy smiles and says "OK then - enjoy your stay" and hands him his room key. Cracked me up in the theater; still funny now.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:19 (one week ago) Permalink

All of the septuagenarians in my gf's family are psyched to see 3 this weekend, q: will I need to see 2 first in order to follow the intricacies of plot

Have you ever had a dream that you um you had your you you could you (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:27 (one week ago) Permalink

the proprietor of the local Continental asks him if he's there to kill the Pope

yeah this was genuinely hilarious

Simon H., Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:28 (one week ago) Permalink

also just noticed that JW2 and JW3 feature, respectively, a genderfluid and non-binary primary cast member, which is neat!

Simon H., Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:43 (one week ago) Permalink

if this is romcom, it forgot to be rom or com

if this is a musical, it forgot to have songs

if this is documentary, it forgot to be a record of real-life events captured contemporaneously

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:46 (one week ago) Permalink

neither of these movies are satire my god

i do like to think of them as a horror movie franchise from a retired horror movie monster's perspective

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:50 (one week ago) Permalink

(Only barely tangentially related but have you seen Tucker & Dale Vs. Evil, Brad?)

Have you ever had a dream that you um you had your you you could you (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 12:55 (one week ago) Permalink

as a teen beach party movie starring frankie avalon and annette funicello, it’s a real failure iirc

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:09 (one week ago) Permalink

TBF and IMO, the failing of most films is that they are not teen beach party movies starring Frankie Avalon and Annette Funicello.

Have you ever had a dream that you um you had your you you could you (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:12 (one week ago) Permalink

well, yeah

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:13 (one week ago) Permalink

ol, yes see 2

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:54 (one week ago) Permalink

fwiw i didn't think the first one was satire. just crap.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 13:57 (one week ago) Permalink

ol, yes see 2

How about the first one, is that necessary for the other two? I think the only way I could watch this with my partner would be to skip the puppy murder.

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:03 (one week ago) Permalink

look

i cannot in any faith recommend anyone to not see john wick

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:08 (one week ago) Permalink

insofar as plot matters youd have to seem em all in order but happily.....prob plot is a nice-to-have in these movies

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:08 (one week ago) Permalink

****SPOILERS***
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John Wick 3 as the 2016 election/Pro-Bernie propaganda

--The high table is the democratic party, obsessed with rules and norms to their own detriment
--The adjudicator is Hillary, a seasoned professional fighting a broken system just trying to keep everything normal.
--John Wick is Bernie Sanders, the rogue veteran, a little old but still a scrapper. He's already got the young fighters obsessed with him (Zero), but has to win over older voters who are set in their ways/routines (Anjelica Huston) and the women who still claim fealty to the high table (Halle Berry)
--Visiting Berrada was the DNC kneecapping him in the primaries
--Winston is Trump, whose only concern is himself and maintaining status/money/power and his HOTEL
--Lawrence Fishburne and his crew are the mobilized lower class electorate who is going to help Wick and Bernie rise to victory in Part 4 (2020)

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:38 (one week ago) Permalink

wheres biden

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:39 (one week ago) Permalink

sorry, meant to post that to the twin peaks thread with a fuller theory that it itself is a 2020 allegory

deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Friday, 17 May 2019 15:40 (one week ago) Permalink

This was so violent it was almost hallucinogenic at times.

Simon H., Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:25 (six days ago) Permalink

The least of the three but only really cause the last 10 minutes is a bit enh

Simon H., Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:29 (six days ago) Permalink

This was so violent it was almost hallucinogenic at times.


One half of the couple behind me hit her partner with her purse and walked out after Wick stabbed that guy slowly in the eye

(spoiler John Wick stabs a guy in the eye, slowly)

gbx, Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:05 (six days ago) Permalink

seeing this tomorrow at 10:00. ANTE MERIDIEM!!

husserl gang (rip van wanko), Saturday, 18 May 2019 03:08 (six days ago) Permalink

Wonder how far this series will go and will we get John Wick in space. How far will he have to travel?

Funny how a guy is clearly killed in the train station and nobody cares. Supports the feeling of this being a cartoon world where assassins could be everywhere.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Saturday, 18 May 2019 10:54 (six days ago) Permalink

Wonder how far this series will go and will we get John Wick in space

We wondered aloud about how in the hell they could ever "top" this, and this very idea was raised.

Simon H., Saturday, 18 May 2019 12:59 (six days ago) Permalink

release the Geoff Darrow poster, you cowards!

mh, Saturday, 18 May 2019 15:34 (six days ago) Permalink

Saw it today

I love the opening, him going from neon times square to ye olde pistol/gun/knife emporium to fkn horse stables ...i love how much they love juxtaposing modern vs antique so much

keanu on horseback is everything bcs he can actually ride (of course he can he can do everything)

motorbike swordfight was dope af. do we know if that was keanu’s bike brand? i meant to look that up.

halle berry & her rad dogs were RAD AS FUCK those dogs flying through the air was awesome, such amazing trainers they must have
angry halle is good halle.

the GLASS room fascinated me, because of the different strengths. it’s kinda genius in the design, creating tension just from not knowing when/if it will shatter & when

i still love first movie the best for sheer simplicity of plot & economy of dialogue but they could make 50 of these, i’ll love em all if Keanu keeps doing his thing

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 19 May 2019 23:52 (five days ago) Permalink

Yup! Plot’s not as trim as the first, obviously, but I think the action scenes were the best of the series

mh, Sunday, 19 May 2019 23:57 (five days ago) Permalink

motorbike swordfight was dope af

chopped-off arm blocking up one of the motorbikes' wheels was one of those moments I thought my brain made up as I was watching it

Simon H., Sunday, 19 May 2019 23:58 (five days ago) Permalink

yeah that was insane

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:09 (four days ago) Permalink

Things I liked a lot:

• Keanu getting horses to kick people to death
• The ninjas-on-motorcycles scene (even though it was stolen straight from The Villainess, which is also amazing)
• The dogs
• Knife fight in the weapons warehouse

Things I found genuinely upsetting:

• The dude getting knifed in the eye in slow motion
• Keanu shotgunning people's heads off

Minor quibbles:

• Part 2 ended on a sunny afternoon in Central Park; Part 3 begins in a massive black-sky downpour
• The actor playing "The Elder" was too young to be playing someone called "The Elder"
• How are you gonna stage a fight in a room full of cauldrons of molten gold and not dump one goon into the molten gold? Boo, I say

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:12 (four days ago) Permalink

Keanu getting horses to kick people to death

When they went into this stable I thought to myself "it's too bad they're probably just gonna fight around the horses and not, like, have Keanu get them to kick them" and then he did it a bunch of times

The dude getting knifed in the eye in slow motion

I don't remember this being literally in slow motion, just agonizingly paced compared to the rest of the sequence. But yeah even for a movie like this, explicit ocular trauma seems like a bridge too far for some reason

Simon H., Monday, 20 May 2019 00:23 (four days ago) Permalink

nah its all great imo

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:24 (four days ago) Permalink

new & exciting ways to off ppl

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 20 May 2019 00:24 (four days ago) Permalink

Italian horror movies love eye stabbins

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 20 May 2019 01:40 (four days ago) Permalink

we’re in a nu-eye stab era, transitioned right there from the recent eye gouge era

mh, Monday, 20 May 2019 02:35 (four days ago) Permalink

• Keanu getting horses to kick people to death

this was hilarious. also killing someone with a book which seemed like a particularly Keanu-specific way to off someone.

Roz, Monday, 20 May 2019 06:32 (four days ago) Permalink

The fuck is happening on the JOHN WICK Wikipedia page? pic.twitter.com/uRC9zv1OKf

— Griffin Newman (@GriffLightning) May 20, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 20 May 2019 18:08 (four days ago) Permalink

lol someone actually did it https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Wick&type=revision&diff=897955582&oldid=897910397

mh, Monday, 20 May 2019 18:25 (four days ago) Permalink

JW4 confirmed for May 2021

Simon H., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 03:21 (three days ago) Permalink

i was hoping to have a good time at this and i didn't really, it was fine

theater was pretty dead, though, like five people and i was the only person who laughed at some of the rare funny bits. maybe with a liver audience it would have been more fun.

j., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 03:34 (three days ago) Permalink

liver audience?

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 03:51 (three days ago) Permalink

live-er

j., Tuesday, 21 May 2019 04:14 (three days ago) Permalink

The audience was rather pancreatic

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 04:19 (three days ago) Permalink

show some spleen ffs

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 04:30 (three days ago) Permalink

it was fine

the gall!

husserl gang (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 10:31 (three days ago) Permalink

it was fine is the new it shouldn't have been made

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:18 (three days ago) Permalink

a fine post

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 14:19 (three days ago) Permalink

I guess people in high places saw my poll clowning on the awfulness of videogame adaptations because Wick writer/director is apparently filming a Just Cause movie and now I'm actually excited about a videogame adaptation.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:08 (three days ago) Permalink

oh

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:44 (two days ago) Permalink

my

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:44 (two days ago) Permalink

god

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:45 (two days ago) Permalink

becky

i got bag sauce in my bag (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:53 (two days ago) Permalink

wicky

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:18 (two days ago) Permalink

the word is "livelier"

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:21 (two days ago) Permalink

man u said it

livelier and deadlier

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:22 (two days ago) Permalink

what is fishburne at i love it

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:22 (two days ago) Permalink

anyway this was good, I was trying to place where I knew the actor playing Zero the head sushi assassin from and it turned out I have only ever seen Mark Dacascos before as the Chairman on Iron Chef America

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:23 (two days ago) Permalink

should I watch Kickboxer 5

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:25 (two days ago) Permalink

• How are you gonna stage a fight in a room full of cauldrons of molten gold and not dump one goon into the molten gold? Boo, I say

― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Sunday, May 19, 2019 5:12 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was mad about this

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:27 (two days ago) Permalink

it played with pretty much everything that way

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:28 (two days ago) Permalink

disappointed nobody shushed them when they were fighting in the stacks.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:38 (two days ago) Permalink

Iron Chef Chairman was so good in this
Sonny Chiba vibes, sorta? anyway he was dope

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:19 (two days ago) Permalink

it's true he ruled and now I've updated my desire for a Henry Golding action vehicle to include him as the buddy

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:25 (two days ago) Permalink

i do wish he'd used his martial arts chops more on iron chef. bobby flay needed some kicking.

Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:29 (two days ago) Permalink

disappointed nobody shushed them when they were fighting in the stacks.

― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:38 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

big guy shushed john

daenerys baker (darraghmac), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 23:44 (two days ago) Permalink

anyway this was good, I was trying to place where I knew the actor playing Zero the head sushi assassin from and it turned out I have only ever seen Mark Dacascos before as the Chairman on Iron Chef America


ahhhhh so that's where I've seen him

gbx, Thursday, 23 May 2019 00:36 (yesterday) Permalink

Dacascos was, improbably, my fave of the main villains so far

Simon H., Thursday, 23 May 2019 01:14 (yesterday) Permalink

he’s had a pretty solid career outiside Iron Chef doing direct-to-video action movies (TONS of them), and he’s always popping up on tv shows

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 May 2019 01:17 (yesterday) Permalink

and yeah, def the most charisma of the Wick villains to date

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 May 2019 01:17 (yesterday) Permalink

apparently Hiroyuki Sanada was originally going to have that role but he turned it down for the small part he had in Avengers Endgame

I'm basing this off of a couple of film writers and speculation, but if so: rough move

mh, Thursday, 23 May 2019 13:55 (yesterday) Permalink


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