the Disney-Fox merger and film/TV production/exhibition hegemony in general

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let's keep the bitching in here and out of the MCU threads. There will be plenty of bigger considerations down the line, but imo this list of cancelled (and not cancelled) projects is quite telling

According to THR, Horn has already dropped the Tom Hanks period drama News of the World from Fox's production slate, along with the Angie Thomas novel adaptation On the Come Up and Mouse Guard. Woody Harrelson's mental hospital dramedy Fruit Loops is similarly expected to be cancelled in the near future, especially since it was one of the films being developed by Fox 2000 prior to its closure. THR's sources also say the decision to drop On the Come Up was the result of The Hate U Give - another film adaptation of Thomas' work - losing Fox $30 to 40 million at last year's box office, despite being all but universally praised by critics.

Among the developing Fox movies that Disney's expected to keep are Matthew Vaughn's prequel Kingsman: The Great Game, the R.L. Stine Fear Street adaptation, Kenneth Branagh's Death on the Nile (a sequel to his Murder on the Orient Express adaptation), and Steven Spielberg's West Side Story remake. The latter, amusingly enough, has nevertheless caused some ire over plans to show characters smoking in the film (something that's taboo in Disney movies these days). The Ryan Reynolds-led video game comedy Free Guy is also staying put for the time being, and there's a good chance that The Ballad of Richard Jewell - a docudrama about the security guard that foiled the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing attempt - will land a green-light at Fox, with Clint Eastwood potentially directing.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/multiple-fox-films-getting-axed-at-disney-1204252

this is also a fine place to complain about the ever-widening constellation of streaming services and their shrinking collective library

Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 20:15 (three months ago) link

I think your last point really gets at something that is incredibly infuriating everyone. So many streaming services. I can only predict that as they become more and more proprietary and more and more subscriptions are required to get our movies/sports/TV, they will eventually start offering them as bundles. Just like cable. But inventively more expensive. And then we'll be back where we started but hey, more money for the two or three companies that survive!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 20:18 (three months ago) link

it’s like they WANT us to pirate stuff tbh

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:21 (three months ago) link

Woody Harrelson's mental hospital dramedy Fruit Loops is similarly expected to be cancelled in the near future


this maybe doesn’t seem like a huge loss for cinema tbf

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:22 (three months ago) link

I can't find any pieces yet on what this merger will mean for the accessibility of the 20th Century Fox film roster down the line, but I can find about 50 pieces on what this means for the X-Men, which also tells you a lot.

Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 20:24 (three months ago) link

I subscribe to a bunch of services. But sometimes I'll have something in my queue and when I finally get around to watching it, it's suddenly gone, poof. So I download it. And occasionally said something comes back sometime before I watch whatever I downloaded, but it's so hard to keep up with the hundreds of things queued up and coming and going across several services that there really was no way of me knowing.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 26 April 2019 20:24 (three months ago) link

idk, Netflix used to have a sick library of movies on DVD and Blu Ray but everyone would rather stream garbage. Turner tried to make Filmstruck work but, again, everyone would rather stream garbage.

Starting to get real hard to blame the companies for simply responding to the market

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:35 (three months ago) link

and here’s our first scorching hot take of the thread, i’m gonna give it 8/10, would have been a 9 if it had mentioned sheeple

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:37 (three months ago) link

it's what happened. people prized the convenience of streaming over quality/choices of DVD and here we are.

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:40 (three months ago) link

yes, we the people brought this upon ourselves, our kindly corporate friends had no choice but to punish us thusly

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:49 (three months ago) link

The Ballad of Richard Jewell - a docudrama about the security guard that foiled the 1996 Atlanta Olympics bombing attempt - will land a green-light at Fox, with Clint Eastwood potentially directing

This sounds almost as bad as the Woody Harrelson thing.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:55 (three months ago) link

wow, an extra $10 a month so bizarro gazzara can watch Ant-Man, what a punishment!

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 20:57 (three months ago) link

the Cult of Eastwood continues to perplex me tbh

Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 20:59 (three months ago) link

Like, yeah, I hate monopolies too, but I don’t see how Netflix/Apple/Spotify funneling everything through three tech companies is GOOD, but Disney breaking up that model is BAD

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 21:00 (three months ago) link

Isn’t this thread about how both are bad

milkshake chuk (wins), Friday, 26 April 2019 21:01 (three months ago) link

well, yeah

Campaign For Dean Gaffney To Be The New James Bond (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 26 April 2019 21:06 (three months ago) link

ppl can feel free to defend either development if they feel like it!

Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 23:03 (three months ago) link

If Disney is gonna keep it real and post like all 57 Walt Disney Animation Studios (minus Song of the South, obv) and the 20 Pixar joints, and the Simpsons run in the correct aspect ratio and not do selective releases from the "vault" ... I ... wouldn't be mad at any of that?

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 26 April 2019 23:33 (three months ago) link

they can re-up Song of the South but only if they replace the audio with Bob Iger saying "you are a bad person" over and over

Simon H., Friday, 26 April 2019 23:44 (three months ago) link

I can't find any pieces yet on what this merger will mean for the accessibility of the 20th Century Fox film roster down the line

maybe because you don't need to look down the line? Disney already cancelled nearly all bookings of 20th films last week. basically if somewhere already has a print they're allowed to pay to show it, but you can't screen anything from the catalogue otherwise

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 08:05 (three months ago) link

There seems to be some dispute over whether that's a permanent issue or a temporary legal hiccup.

Simon H., Saturday, 27 April 2019 08:19 (three months ago) link

Steven Spielberg's West Side Story remake
Steven Spielberg's West Side Story remake
Steven Spielberg's West Side Story remake
Steven Spielberg's West Side Story remake

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 27 April 2019 09:03 (three months ago) link

Steven Spielberg’s BFG remake
Steven Spielberg’s Tintin remake
Steven Spielberg’s War Horse remake
Steven Spielberg’s War Of The Worlds remake
Steven Spielberg’s Peter Pan remake

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 09:53 (three months ago) link

Hook is a sequel not a remake

milkshake chuk (wins), Saturday, 27 April 2019 10:00 (three months ago) link

it’s a remake of the sequel to Peter Pan, except with the plot of Peter Pan

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 10:04 (three months ago) link

i don't consider adapted screenplays to be remakes but i get your point.

adam the (abanana), Saturday, 27 April 2019 10:05 (three months ago) link

the first West Side Story was an adapted screenplay too! I only named ones that had also previously been adapted into films, most of his shit is based on books, whether fiction or non-fiction

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 10:11 (three months ago) link

also previously been adapted into films, other media

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 10:13 (three months ago) link

(Peter Pan was adapted into a book and several films, War Horse was a remake of the stage adaptation AIUI, all the Tintins in the Spielberg movie had been TV cartoons twice and one had been a feature, War Of The Worlds has been eleventy-billion movies and plays and radio shows and shadow puppet performances, BFG had been a comic strip and a play and the 1989 Cosgrove Hall joint with David Jason)

blokes you can't rust (sic), Saturday, 27 April 2019 10:23 (three months ago) link

it's what happened. people prized the convenience of streaming over quality/choices of DVD and here we are.

― ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, April 26, 2019 4:40 PM (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is otm. When I tell friends I still get Netflix DVDs through the mail they react with astonishment, as if I told them I've decided to give up electricity. This weekend somebody saw a red envelope on my coffee table, pointed to it and literally said "Oh my god, have you been saving that all this time as a memento?!" All of these same friends complain about there not being enough things on streaming that they like, and say things like "I watched 3 seasons of (show x) this week, it was just meh." Reminds me of the Onion op-ed from years ago along the lines of "Can you believe the shit they force me to watch on television?"

One Eye Open, Monday, 29 April 2019 15:26 (three months ago) link

kind of off-topic, but sometimes I'll start on a Netflix series and realize quickly that it's diverting but not actually good; I find at this point the most time-effective approach is to look up what happens on Wikipedia or a set of recaps, then move onto something else.

Simon H., Monday, 29 April 2019 15:35 (three months ago) link

"Oh my god, have you been saving that all this time as a memento?!"

lol

difficult listening hour, Monday, 29 April 2019 15:37 (three months ago) link

One of the absolute best things about moving to the Los Angeles area is there's still independent video stores out here

ebro the letter (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 29 April 2019 16:56 (three months ago) link

Toronto still has a couple, shockingly.

Simon H., Monday, 29 April 2019 16:56 (three months ago) link

hosted the crew of ghost-hunting show the other day while they exploited local culture for the entertainment of people whose crippling brain damage has left them with nothing better to watch and me and the sound guy in the dead ringers shirt reminisced about portland's MOVIE MADNESS-- still there!

difficult listening hour, Monday, 29 April 2019 17:21 (three months ago) link

Gotta say, for a time when streaming media is in the ascendant, boutique physical media companies are totally killing it. Like if you're inclined to blame Netflix et al for snuffing out the home video market, you're neither paying attention nor supporting the current embarrassment of blu-ray riches with your dollar votes.

xpost -- wait hold on, that's quite a setup.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 01:29 (three months ago) link

i didn't know which to envy more: their remote video monitor (wireless splitscreen from multiple cameras!) or their veil-piercing communications apparatus. anyway, turns out my theater has night marchers

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 30 April 2019 02:11 (three months ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D5-n8e3XsAEIVpd.jpg

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 16:55 (three months ago) link

bully

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 16:57 (three months ago) link

Untitled boot stamping on a human face forever

milkshake chuk (wins), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:05 (three months ago) link

wow, so every disney is getting a live action remake huh
Major headline for me is that Nimona is gonna be a big big deal and that Noelle Stevenson is hella rich

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:08 (three months ago) link

Maybe it's just me but feels like they weren't really trying when they settled on these movie titles.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:16 (three months ago) link

Man all four people who give any fucks about Avatar have gotta be STOKED.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:18 (three months ago) link

lmao that Cameron is apparently shooting the 4 Avatar sequels (5 is penned in for 2027) concurrently, meaning even if the first one underperforms they'll still have 3 left to promote

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:19 (three months ago) link

I'm a little surprised that Disney hasn't pulled back on the reins with that impending disaster.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:24 (three months ago) link

TBF, both titanic and avatar were hailed as an impending disaster and then become the biggest things in the history of movies so it's tough to bet against him until he loses
i also think he will lose this time btw

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:43 (three months ago) link

I reeeeeeeeally need to be convinced that Avatar 2-4 will be a disaster beyond Very Online people saying variations of "no one remembers this"

Disney World built a whole themed area for it, it's the second biggest-selling Blu Ray of all time after FROZEN and I haven't seen any evidence that America won't gladly slurp down every PG-13 fan service sequel save, like, "Wow, Solo only made 393 million dollars"

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:53 (three months ago) link

Also, it's been so long, I can see them re-releasing Avatar 1 in theaters

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:54 (three months ago) link

There's a whole Cirque du Soliel touring act about Avatar

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:56 (three months ago) link

as others have pointed out, the one upside to this schedule: no Deadpool shit since Disney is only interested in PG-13 flicks

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:57 (three months ago) link

following "the rider", i will be down for the choe zhao Eternals movie but boy am i having a hard time imagining how that will pan out

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 17:59 (three months ago) link

I'm kind of impressed they're still going to go for more movies based on rides that have no real story

can't wait for JUNGLE CRUISE

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:00 (three months ago) link

I love Disney so much and it bums me out that all the attention is going towards stuff I don't care about: Marvel movies/Star Wars/live action remakes.

Get me an immersive Arendelle with Ilsa's ice castle!

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:01 (three months ago) link

Ilsa's ice castle

sounds pretty dark

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:04 (three months ago) link

as others have pointed out, the one upside to this schedule: no Deadpool shit since Disney is only interested in PG-13 flicks

― Simon H., Tuesday, May 7, 2019 12:57 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not so. Feige has already telegraphed their intention to continue milking that particular cash cow.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:05 (three months ago) link

I'm kind of impressed they're still going to go for more movies based on rides that have no real story

can't wait for JUNGLE CRUISE

― mh, Tuesday, May 7, 2019 2:00 PM (forty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean the Pirates of the Carribbean franchise made $4.5 billion, so that can write off a few of these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnlMvollAkY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U32Law7K-b8

dragged across concrète (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:06 (three months ago) link

IIRC Disney approached Cameron about building an Avatar attraction because they had lost out on Harry Potter several years prior, and at the time Avatar was only two years old. Had they waited another year, the Lucasfilm acquisition would have taken place and they might have gone straight for a Star Wars attraction.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:09 (three months ago) link

I don't think Avatar 2-4 (or 5?) will have the same kind of success as the first one, but I doubt they are going to lose money.

I mean, nobody seems to like those Transformers movies either and they made a ton of money. Online discourse is really only a tiny fraction of public opinion.

silverfish, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:10 (three months ago) link

"I remember how excited I was the first time my dad took me to see an Avatar movie, I'm so happy to be able to share that special moment with my own children!"

One Eye Open, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:11 (three months ago) link

Also, like, outside of a theme park attraction and Blu-Ray sales, what's its place in popular culture? Do people still talk about Avatar a lot, or learn Navi or whatever? It may have made money but it seems to have left no cultural footprint whatsoever otherwise.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:13 (three months ago) link

My son's introduction to avatar was the avatar ride in Disney World. I could totally see him wanting to see these movies just because of that.

silverfish, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:13 (three months ago) link

its weird to realize that there was a movie as big as avatar that didnt get a sequel for over 12 years. hard to imagine that ever happening again in the current climate. thats even longer than the time between revenge of the sith and force awakens

One Eye Open, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:34 (three months ago) link

The ride is undeniably awesome. However, the lead-in to the ride was a ten-minute video loosely recapping the plot of Avatar because who the fuck remembers what happened in Avatar.

NB, I saw Avatar for the first time earlier this year.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:35 (three months ago) link

Have not seen avatar yet, do not think that will change in this lifetime.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:38 (three months ago) link

I didn't think it would, either. The things we do for love.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 18:39 (three months ago) link

Also, like, outside of a theme park attraction and Blu-Ray sales, what's its place in popular culture? Do people still talk about Avatar a lot, or learn Navi or whatever? It may have made money but it seems to have left no cultural footprint whatsoever otherwise.

The number of people who spent hundreds of dollars visiting the Avatar theme park in 2018 is roughly the same as the number of US viewers who watched the most recent ep of game of thrones, seems like a massive cultural footprint tbh, just not talked about on twitter as much

One Eye Open, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:04 (three months ago) link

there were those folks who got depressed that they couldn't live on navi

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:05 (three months ago) link

oh pandora even

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:06 (three months ago) link

Avatar Land was pretty cool and has some nice environmental design but I don't see it being a huge draw for terribly long, particularly once Star Wars Land opens. Like the Navi restaurant was kind of a turdburger.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:13 (three months ago) link

Not so. Feige has already telegraphed their intention to continue milking that particular cash cow.

ok so there is no upside

Simon H., Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:15 (three months ago) link

C'mon, don't pretend you aren't excited for that live-action Home on the Range remake.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:17 (three months ago) link

I forgot the existence of a Haunted Mansion movie but my friend who would watch horrible movies and then fast forward through to show me the "highlights" showed me part of Country Bears

completely stock script, with Christopher Walken as the human foil

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:31 (three months ago) link

When clearly he should've been playing all of the bears instead.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 19:40 (three months ago) link

I didn't think it would, either. The things we do for love.

need a bit more background here but this is the saddest post i've read in a while

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:40 (three months ago) link

Enchanted Tiki Room movie or gtfo

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:57 (three months ago) link

I also strongly want them to bring back Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride, unchanged, and then make a movie about it

mh, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:58 (three months ago) link

xxpost Oh, it just means I once took my once-strident stance against watching Avatar and threw it in the gutter like so much dishwater just because my gf asked me to, no big.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:59 (three months ago) link

I also strongly want them to bring back Mr. Toad’s Wild Ride, unchanged, and then make a movie about it

there have already been several films but Disney did not manage to steal the IP as effectively as they did with Milne

the Python / Coogan one is p dece iirc

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:08 (three months ago) link

lol I looked it up and it got dumped in NYC porn theaters at theatrical US release, then Disney picked it up for video and retitled it after their theme park ride

welp

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:10 (three months ago) link

this is otm. When I tell friends I still get Netflix DVDs through the mail they react with astonishment, as if I told them I've decided to give up electricity. This weekend somebody saw a red envelope on my coffee table, pointed to it and literally said "Oh my god, have you been saving that all this time as a memento?!"

lol otm. It's not students in front of whom I have to explain my attachment to Netfix: it's so-called adults over thirty who don't get that you can't stream every fucking thing.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:12 (three months ago) link

hmmm there was a 2006 Wind In The Willows by a future Dr Who director, starring two future Dr Who companions and Bob Hoskins

nah, I'll be right, ta

blokes you can't rust (sic), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:14 (three months ago) link

then Disney picked it up for video and retitled it after their theme park ride

their secret of survival in a v nasty world iirc

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 00:24 (three months ago) link

I was more referring to a movie based on the ride, which I believe they decommissioned. It was nearly original to Disney World, and was flat cartoon images on the walls and a car that followed a twisty track through a relatively tiny building

Not a wild ride

mh, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 01:59 (three months ago) link

(Wind in the Willows book is great)

mh, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 01:59 (three months ago) link

Avatar was the first movie to be a huge hit in China. I believe the sequels make their money back internationally, even if they don't do so well in the US.

adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 02:03 (three months ago) link

Christopher Robin: The Movie: The Ride: Avatar Edition

you don virtual reality goggles to experience life as a frustrated workaholic middle-aged man. your childhood hallucination, Pooh, returns to take you in a journey to the world of Avatar

mh, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 02:11 (three months ago) link

three months pass...

in related news

NEWS: Viacom and CBS boards agree to merge, according to an executive with direct knowledge of the deal. Details to follow.

— David Folkenflik (@davidfolkenflik) August 13, 2019

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:40 (five days ago) link

Does Viacom have one good and popular current show outside of South Park and Spongebob?

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:52 (five days ago) link

i don't live in the US anymore but... those are "current" shows??

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:53 (five days ago) link

LOL

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:55 (five days ago) link

I would think the appeal is in the brands themselves and not individual pieces of content

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Viacom

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:56 (five days ago) link

They are still coming out with new seasons! South Park is still funny! Spongebob may have jumped the shark after Hillenburg left, but I haven't really been paying attention to new 'Bobs

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:56 (five days ago) link

yeah recent SP has been good

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 18:57 (five days ago) link

I mean, it's just such a different era than like 10 years ago when Viacom was just dominating with Jon Stewart Daily Show and Jersey Shore

Hannah GAPDY (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:01 (five days ago) link

yeah. CC has some other good content (I love Corporate for example) but AFAIK the ones you cited are the obvious stalwarts

Simon H., Tuesday, 13 August 2019 19:17 (five days ago) link

oh for the days when jersey shore ruled the tube

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 13 August 2019 20:14 (five days ago) link


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