I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

Yeah apparently!

Xp. Over the top is of course a moving masterpiece

best comment ive read "joaquin phoenix steals the movie"

insightful commentary

trenchant joker commentary

Overwhelming praise on the French critical front. Predominant hermeneutic line: 'shit's fucked in America, yo.'

lol

only the clown movie can truly speak to the rot at America's core

River's Edge is amazing, flappy you dead to me

motherfucker! FOOD EATER!

Over the Edge also amazing

ITT: edgelords

people i know who have seen this are saying it's good

One for the poster

River's Edge is just insufferably corny, the very specific proto-Twin Peaks stilted tone doesn't work for me so the whole movie is just silly and weightless, verging into MST3K territory at times (younger brother pointing gun at Keanu).

Having said that, I despise MST3K and everything they stand for.

Been meaning to see Over the Edge for years

flappy do you despise mst3k because they are...

...jokers?

River's Edge is just insufferably corny, the very specific proto-Twin Peaks stilted tone doesn't work for me so the whole movie is just silly and weightless, verging into MST3K territory at times (younger brother pointing gun at Keanu).

Having said that, I despise MST3K and everything they stand for.

my man

love MST3K, i just wish they'd gotten it together to do American Beauty and some other oscar baits.

I just think mocking movies as ritual is heresy

It’s not mockery it’s commentary

it's in our nature to despise things we don't understand

I just think mocking movies as ritual is heresy

― flappy bird, Thursday, October 10, 2019 1:11 PM (eight minutes ago)

ok i get off the boat here

flappy boat

it's fun to watch a movie with friends (AT SOMEONE"S HOME) and riff but I never understood the appeal of MST3K, besides disagreeing with its premise on moral grounds.

It's like the riffing with friends scenario only actually funny

Every time I go to a party where friends "riff" on a movie, eight people scream over the movie for two hours

it's fun to watch a movie with friends (AT SOMEONE"S HOME) and riff but I never understood the appeal of MST3K, besides disagreeing with its premise on moral grounds.

I'm with you on this flappy

I never understood the appeal of MST3K, besides disagreeing with its premise on moral grounds.

i dunno if you were a 20-something grad student who liked to get high it was lots of fun back in the day

Yeah definite good times

I always want to like MST3K more than I do. Recent attempts to watch it with family result in a lot of me laughing too "on purpose" while wife/son don't get the joke or me sitting there knowing I'm never going to understand the reference they're trying to make. Eternally catchy theme song though and Felicia Day is cute.

yeah i’ve never seen the new ones & i’ve only occasionally re-watched the old ones but there was definitely a time in my life when getting high & watching mst3k was my favorite kind of night in

I've never actually watched an entire episode, partly because the movies they snark on are movies I genuinely enjoy watching and dissing on my own terms.

i'm guessing "space mutiny" would still make me lose my shit

Trace Beaulieu was one of the most decent dudes I’ve ever met tbh

Every time I go to a party where friends "riff" on a movie, eight people scream over the movie for two hours

I’m talking four people MAX

flappy I used to not get the appeal but then I did and I didn’t even have to get high for it

It’s a pretty ideal formula for “a thing you can look at” honestly

I don't like the cheeky robot

Can’t help you there

I would watch a joker mst3k screening with far fewer qualms than I would a standard screening

https://jacobinmag.com/2019/10/joker-melodrama-joaquin-phoenix-todd-phillips-review?fbclid=IwAR0EoWTlNjQyysasJ-By8QyyJ5a_HHnot76az0IXPhIEQEMMV5364AK19B4

This is the best take. It’s a Dickensian melodrama with a cruel ironic twist.

It’s a form with a proud history, cohering in the eighteenth century when philosophers, writers, composers, and artists were grappling with radical new ideas that ultimately fostered the American and French revolutions, and centered on the cosmic significance of the ordinary citizen caught in familial and social traps. The extreme popularity of the form, especially in novels and plays, was taken up in early cinema, though starting in the 1930s it began to be rapidly devalued as it became associated with women writers, stars, and audiences. In the 1970s and ’80s Marxist and feminist film theorists began a reevaluation of the importance of melodrama in terms of its social criticism, especially in terms of class, gender, and race. But an endless stream of soap operas and hack plotting in movies and television have associated “melodrama” with “failed drama” in the public mind, and its more radical possibilities have been left unexplored in our era. At least Phillips indicates in this film that he recognizes those possibilities, and that’s promising.

A return to melodrama seems fitting at this time. It was, after all, an ultra-popular entertainment of the Gilded Age. Cinema itself arises at the end of this era and develops fully as the Gilded Age overlaps and partially gives way to the Progressive Era, when reformers attacked government corruption and finally began to enact policies aimed at ameliorating the gruesome social ills of class society. Looking at Joker for a kind of microcosmic version of melodrama giving way in the end to something better, however inchoate, is absolute wishful thinking. But like I said before — it’s the perfect Rorschach inkblot.

Anyone can defecate on a piece of paper and call it a 'Rorschach inkblot'

I've been wanting to say that for a while, so thanks for setting it up treeship :)

I think the idea is that, by maybe uncosnciously invoking these 19th century tropes, Phillips ‘struck a chord.’ The incoherence of the film, the fact that it is a fable either with no meaning or an abhorrent meaning, is part of what might be interesting about it.

Again, I’ll never see it. Just throwing this out there.

Occam's Razor favors the notion that Phillips was going for an explicitly Dickensian vibe.

Sure. The plot seems extremelt melodramatic—esp the delusional mother writing letters to the rich man who she believes is the true father of her troubled son.

It's not interesting, treeship, it's just dishonest.

But these are interesting and old fashioned narrative devices in a movie that is supposed to be edgy and controversial. Like, fight club isn’t a melodrama. Neither is american psycho.

Few people seem to have picked up on Road Trip's many allusions to travel literature of the 18th and 19th Centuries. Dude's a thinker.

These aren’t sophisticated allusions. That’s not the point. What’s interesting is the movie seems extremely shmaltzy for a Golden Lion winning movie that provoked outrage once it came to America.