I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

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very rude to stick Zazie Beetz and Bill Camp in this

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:27 (seven months ago) link

just... why

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:30 (seven months ago) link

It's like portraying Hamlet, every actor gets a turn eventually regardless of whether anyone asked for it or not.

all i want from this movie is that the first thing joaquin does after suffering his catastrophic breakdown is put on the makeup and go straight into a full-scale busby berkeley number where he and hundreds of dancers stage an elaborate performanec for the entire running time of the steve miller band's 'the joker'

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:10 (seven months ago) link

I came upon a subway train surrounded by Jokers during the shoot

didn't get cast as an extra alas

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:18 (seven months ago) link

The most intensely challenging, daunting role that any actor can play is that of the clown who fights Batman.

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) January 22, 2016

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:22 (seven months ago) link

I came upon a subway train

tmi

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:22 (seven months ago) link

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a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:25 (seven months ago) link

tbf it would seem to nix your chance at being cast

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:27 (seven months ago) link

c/d: making bad jokes in a movie about a sad clown

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:29 (seven months ago) link

I’m perversely interested in this, as a fan of movies about Joaquin Phoenix’s gorgeous catastrophe of a face

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:30 (seven months ago) link

yeah the weird thing is that i'd totally be down to watch a taxi driver-inspired movie about joaquin phoenix descending into madness but... does it have to be about the joker ffs

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:34 (seven months ago) link

a taxi driver-inspired movie about joaquin phoenix descending into madness

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7151VW52LPL._SL1500_.jpg

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:36 (seven months ago) link

exactly!

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:37 (seven months ago) link

ive no problem with this

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:47 (seven months ago) link

should poll which is gonna score higher on RT: JOKER or IMPRACTICAL JOKERS

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:51 (seven months ago) link

This at least has a chance of being good. Nothing about the trailer struck me as being obviously terrible.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:09 (seven months ago) link

Not gonna lie, this looks interesting.

Now where’s my gritty Crazy-Quilt biopic?

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:11 (seven months ago) link

was ready to snark but I'm kind... of liking the look of this? (<3 Joaquin, what a weirdo)

Roz, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:14 (seven months ago) link

This one's gonna be completely carried by Phoenix, amirite? Taking bets. Because that director...yikes.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:39 (seven months ago) link

ive no problem with this

― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, April 3, 2019 7:47 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gbx, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:45 (seven months ago) link

From my perspective, as a guy who hates superhero movies, I think this was made for guys like me to say "as a guy who hates superhero movies, this doesn't look bad..."

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:48 (seven months ago) link

Nothing about the trailer struck me as being obviously terrible.

The digital coloring was nauseating but that problem is certainly not limited to this movie

rob, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:48 (seven months ago) link

what I like about that trailer is that it seems really off-putting and downbeat, and not necessarily in the usual crowd-pleasing twisty ways that genre films have been either of those things.

omar little, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:55 (seven months ago) link

irredeemable schmuck becomes violent clown

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:20 (seven months ago) link

Looks identical to the Suicide Squad trailer, but maybe that's just how these things are marketed.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:27 (seven months ago) link

From my perspective, as a guy who hates superhero movies, I think this was made for guys like me to say "as a guy who hates superhero movies, this doesn't look bad..."

The last Superman kind of did the same thing - based on the first two thirds of the trailer, it could have been a Terrence Malick ripoff.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:32 (seven months ago) link

Wow, October, how will we make it?

Todd Phillips sucks.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:39 (seven months ago) link

This at least has a chance of being good. Nothing about the trailer struck me as being obviously terrible.

Huh. I thought this entire thing looked really, really dumb.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:44 (seven months ago) link

Why has the Joker character taken on this Incel/burgeoning serial killer antihero thing lately? Fuckin sick of seeing joker memes all over the place with that 'when nice guys lose their patience the devil shivers' crap on them.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:47 (seven months ago) link

Probably because people have either actively forgotten that The Joker is the personification of chaos with no actual code of ethics or reason, or because people are actively, willingly embracing evil in an attempt to make themselves feel powerful and in control.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:50 (seven months ago) link

Between Todd Phillips as director and Joaquin Phoenix in the lead, there's at least a chance we'll get to see the Joker take a shit on the ground and throw it at people.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:53 (seven months ago) link

Dan - thats a depressingly good point.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:55 (seven months ago) link

For reasons I can't quite pin down, the vibe of the trailer felt very

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLWKQ0eU2E4

I watched the trailer with the sound off, and I'm sure it added value.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:56 (seven months ago) link

I really hope that the trailer accurately reflects what will be in this movie and that there aren't a ton of effects shots and fights against batman that aren't ready yet or something

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:59 (seven months ago) link

xp trayce probably, there were some words in v.o. and they didn't seem to mean anything

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:00 (seven months ago) link

gang weed has flipped joker memes into weird meta-memes so completely at this point that they're inscrutable tho

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:11 (seven months ago) link

(many xps to the joker memes convo)

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:11 (seven months ago) link

gang weed? is that some kind of shitposting thingy. /old

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:17 (seven months ago) link

very much so

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:24 (seven months ago) link

Kind of a weird revival of Godspell, but ok.

pplains, Thursday, 4 April 2019 01:29 (seven months ago) link

Kinda hoping Phoenix's character is driven to madness by watching Eddie Murphy's Delirious on tv and realizing all he knows are vaudeville jokes

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:06 (seven months ago) link

so why exactly is DC making movies outside the DC Extended universe featuring characters that are in its extended universe.

are they going to see how it does and then decide whether to fire Leto as the Joker in the actual EU? cos I think that's a decision that can already be made.

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:13 (seven months ago) link

I came upon a subway train surrounded by Jokers during the shoot

Expecting Leto Nicholson Gorshin cameos at the end of this

... (Eazy), Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:40 (seven months ago) link

Why does DC have a popular Flash TV show and then make a Justice League movie featuring someone completely different as the Flash, why does DC make 80% of the decisions it makes? My unsubstantiated guess is 'rampant late-stage syphilis' but who can say, really.

Most of their decisions can be attributed to the fundamental po’ faced absurdity DC specializes in.

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:22 (seven months ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqpak5lFxvs

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:04 (four weeks ago) link

ooops!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:04 (four weeks ago) link

If he killed Sophie and lived down the hall, the cops, stupid as they are, would have been beating his door down to question him.

I feel like it's a scene Phillips just awkwardly transitioned.

Like she's not in the rest of the movie...so? That happens in movies

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 October 2019 18:21 (four weeks ago) link

it's extra weird in the context of a movie that goes out of its way to show you that the obviously imagined interactions between two characters, were imagined

maffew12, Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:24 (four weeks ago) link

If he killed Sophie and lived down the hall, the cops, stupid as they are, would have been beating his door down to question him.

― When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), 13. oktober 2019 20:21 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Cops being unbelievably stupid and bad at their jobs? That happens in movies.

Frederik B, Sunday, 13 October 2019 19:27 (four weeks ago) link

Sirens occurring in a city infested with crime also happens.

NYC is relatively cleaned up these days, but when i visit i often hear them. 80s NYC, which Gotham is mimicking, in a shitty area?

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Sunday, 13 October 2019 20:07 (four weeks ago) link

more like fraud phillips

thank you i am the real joker

american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, 14 October 2019 00:26 (four weeks ago) link

oh that seems to be an outdated story. UPMG have confirmed Glitter will see no royalites from the song.

akm, Monday, 14 October 2019 02:54 (four weeks ago) link

lmao at this 47-year-old man acting like a particularly spoiled 13yo

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 20 October 2019 12:18 (three weeks ago) link

I'm not sure I've witnessed much emotional maturation in the Leto since I became aware of him 25 years ago.

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Sunday, 20 October 2019 13:11 (three weeks ago) link

As bad/toxic/dangerous as this movie may or may not be, the fact that it puts an end to Leto's dream of a Juggalo Joker franchise is certainly a net win for culture

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:50 (three weeks ago) link

t/s: juggalo joker vs incel joker

whoever wins, we lose

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 October 2019 14:52 (three weeks ago) link

incel joker wins by default, since it seems impossible to make a sequel to.

Frederik B, Monday, 21 October 2019 15:15 (three weeks ago) link

So incidentally how is everyone faring since the Joker gangs started taking over?

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:18 (three weeks ago) link

Longer lines at Dave and Buster's

When I am afraid, I put my toast in you (Neanderthal), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:30 (three weeks ago) link

incel joker wins by default, since it seems impossible to make a sequel to.

t/s: impossible to make a sequel to vs acting was so awful everyone would rather forget it ever happened

whoever loses, we win

expedited frictionless convergences (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:32 (three weeks ago) link

xp I for one appreciate their fresh outsider perspective

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 21 October 2019 15:34 (three weeks ago) link

Suicide Squad makes Joker look like Network

flappy bird, Monday, 21 October 2019 17:06 (three weeks ago) link

In the sequel, incel Joker becomes a volcel. Writes itself, really.

Go-Gurt Ops (Old Lunch), Monday, 21 October 2019 17:26 (three weeks ago) link

So I saw this last night. Not read much of this thread. No idea what's been said and not said, but here's the Letterboxd review I wrote after seeing it:


This is a solid 2.5 out of 5 film.

I’m trying to work out what it is people specifically liked about it, whether there's a wider point or aspect that I've missed.

Having seen countless hot takes on this film from critics and friends, I was conscious of going into the film with too many expectations. Either this was going to blow me away with a clever, multi-layered plot and a serious artistic twist on an old character, or it was going to be a highly insensitive piece of hackwork that treated Batman's greatest villain as a springboard for muddied views on mental health and societal violence...

So I was surprised to find that this film did neither. In effect, I came away feeling underwhelmed, mildly puzzled and with the feeling I'd seen something distinctly... average.

The Guardian-reading snowflake in me was all set to be triggered by its handling of mental health issues or isolated male aggression or gun violence or... something. I wasn’t.. Well not really. This is Gotham after all, a city that walks the tightrope between gritty reality and grim fantasy. So sure, have the Joker be a cracked dude from a background of child abuse, it’s not far fetched. Besides, you'd have to be a special kind of lily to be truly offended by something so milquetoast, or at least one who's never seen Psycho or Taxi Driver or Falling Down or any of the many other films about 'insecure loners' from which this film cribs (and pays tribute to) in spades.

I could see people with actual schizophrenia or severe depression taking umbrage at the idea that their condition is seen as something that could potentially trigger a murder spree. The vast majority of people I've met who are affected by mental health issues are brave and steadfast and trying to cope with things one day at a time. There are definitely questions to be raised about funding for mental health services, and indeed the question is raised in part in this film. There's also the incel issue too, which again this film goes part-way to referencing, and in many ways could be seen as a film about James Holmes, the Aurora Shooter, rather than the Joker himself.

You could read into it all you want and extrapolate all sorts, but I don't have the time or energy to expend on analysing these waters, mostly because the film only really dips its toes in them itself. It’s an action movie set in a fictional world at the end of the day. The Joker's affliction (as far as I know) doesn't exist in the real world, and the Joker’s story is supposed to be sensationalised and harrowing etc, so try as I might I couldn't find it in myself to get terribly upset about it.

The graphic novel-loving Alan Moore stan in me was expecting a rip-roaring intelligent origin story with maybe an underlying comment on society or the human condition that nevertheless didn’t get in the way of an incendiary plotline. Hmmm.. Maybe? Or maybe they set-out to make exactly this kind of film and then had to retro-fit the plot to the Joker character so that it made sense in the Nolan-esque world of Batman we've come to understand in recent years. As an origin story, it left me unfazed. I kept waiting for this incompetent drip to transgress into the infamous criminal mastermind we've come to know, but it never happens. Maybe that's not the idea? Maybe Joker never actually gets to fight Batman and it's all in his head, and actually he's just a mentally ill man living out a fantasy?

The film-buff in me was expecting amazing cinematography, of which I’d say this delivered to a good extent. I mean, nothing fantastic, but decent enough to keep the boring parts from looking tooooo boring.

I was also expecting great acting from Joaquin and indeed there was some GREAT acting from Joaquin and yes he acted his heart out. In fact there wasn't a moment in the film where I wasn't thinking: ‘Isn’t he good at acting, that actor, Joaquin Phoenix with all the acting he does wow what a splendid actor, and how!’. A real actor’s actor that Joaquin. And as a man born with an expression that makes him look like he's permanently about to shit his pants, Joaquin was perfectly cast in this role. Great actor that Joaquin. Five stars at acting.

So yes, good cinematography; good Joaquin being Joaquin; okay plot (if a bit cobbled together from things like V for Vendetta, Eyes Wide Shut, Psycho, Taxi Driver, Falling Down* and a few others); great Joaquin, I mean splendid Joaquin; not much of a point to make in and of itself, unless the point flew past me while I was being distracted by Joaquin; some good scenes and not really boring but a bit predictable and unrevelatory; oh and yes Joaquin acted his heart out didn’t he? Great Joaquin.

An okay film that I would recommend buying in a couple of years' time when the DVD goes on sale.

*PS I really really dislike Falling Down but I like the others.

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 09:41 (three weeks ago) link

Lol, everything about splendid Joaquin is otm

Frederik B, Tuesday, 22 October 2019 09:43 (three weeks ago) link

The Joaquir

frame casual (dog latin), Tuesday, 22 October 2019 10:12 (three weeks ago) link

the dance of freedom etc pic.twitter.com/9NT7GYlvBW

— HappyToast ★ (@IamHappyToast) October 23, 2019

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:07 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZmq01RFhzI

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 23 October 2019 19:19 (two weeks ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/03/world/joker-global-protests-trnd/index.html

fucking try harder, protestors. jesus, lame.

akm, Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:12 (one week ago) link

like the guy fawkes masks: can't people be more original?

akm, Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:14 (one week ago) link

you know, like in the film

Graham Kendrick Lamar (cajunsunday), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:16 (one week ago) link

Cool, can't wait til they imitate the other shit

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:19 (one week ago) link

My house didn't need to be not on fire

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:20 (one week ago) link

I might be the only one who remembers this but one thousand years ago just before this film came out there was a moral panic about how it was foretold that its release would cause the trenchcoat mafia to rise from their graves and bring about the end times

YouGov to see it (wins), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:22 (one week ago) link

It did, they all voted for Trump in 16

#trenchant

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:23 (one week ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/03/world/joker-global-protests-trnd/index.html

fucking try harder, protestors. jesus, lame.

― akm, Sunday, November 3, 2019 1:12 PM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

solidarity forever, unless the cultural reference is kinda dorky

gbx, Sunday, 3 November 2019 20:25 (one week ago) link

Expected to hate this, and while I did hate a couple of parts, overall it was worth the time. The final sit-down on De Niro's show was ridiculous, and De Niro and the whole subplot around him--I realize that there's an extended King of Comedy tribute going on--should have been ditched. Phoenix's first laughing fit felt unbearably overwrought, but I adjusted as the film went on. The rest I liked. The scene with the Wall St. guys on the subway was tense and unsettling. When Phoenix isn't laughing, he's very good. Has the score been debated much? I thought it was weird and often great--someone else might find it oppressive. The two famous pop songs...I suspect only I would love those scenes or even feel it worth commenting on them.

I have a few extremely basic questions as to how (or if) the story here jibes with the Burton and Nolan films on a timeline, but I'm just a novice, so I'll look up the answers myself.

clemenza, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:07 (one week ago) link

It doesn't

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:24 (one week ago) link

the pop stuff is maybe meant to be jarring but didn’t quite jive for me

the score is obviously great, good composer!

mh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:58 (one week ago) link

I used to rewatch Fight Club a lot and it’s fine but, overall, worse at gauging it’s audience’s ability to read between the large print lines than anything Scorsese ever did.

It’s very pretty. I get the fantasy of looking (but not smelling) like Pitt’s character, and Jared Leto gets beat up. Helena Bonham Carter is attractive. Zeroing out credit debt is cool but doesn’t work like that, although buildings collapsing is shocking. In the end, the fuck-up seems to acknowledge a middle ground, although it’s the last thirty seconds.

mh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 02:07 (one week ago) link

The first sign that “Fight Club” might inspire men to do anything other than quote “Fight Club” on their Facebook walls came in the mid-two-thousands...

Can I just

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:26 (six days ago) link

Recently, when I checked out Palahniuk’s novel from my local library, the librarian, a woman in her thirties, visibly struggled to hide her displeasure

the correct response, shoutout to this librarian

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:22 (six days ago) link

you know, I really enjoyed Lullaby but that's mostly because I've long harbored the fantasy of being able to murder people with my mind

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:25 (six days ago) link

Palahniuk's not a horrible writer, but he's a one-trick pony and iirc has expressed some alt-right/libertarian leanings, although maybe that's just part of his edginess shtick

mh, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:33 (six days ago) link

"I have a few extremely basic questions as to how (or if) the story here jibes with the Burton and Nolan films on a timeline, but I'm just a novice, so I'll look up the answers myself." Yes it has nothing to do with those films. And I'm hjoping it doesn't have a sequel.

Frankly I kind of like this approach that DC may be taking with their characters; they dont' really need to build a universe, it wasn't working anyway. You can use these characters and do one off movies. It's really ok.

akm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:34 (six days ago) link

Fight Club is a fine novel and also a good film. I have to ignore any cult that has sprung up around it because like all of these things, it seems to me that people who do that aren't really getting the point (see: using Joker masks in big protests).

akm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:36 (six days ago) link

Can't wait for the Supes movie where he's 48 and doesn't know he has super powers and works as an insurance adjuster with manager Lenny Luthor.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:38 (six days ago) link

sounds like a significant improvement on visionary director zack snyder's take on the character tbf

Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:45 (six days ago) link

Frankly I kind of like this approach that DC may be taking with their characters; they dont' really need to build a universe, it wasn't working anyway. You can use these characters and do one off movies. It's really ok.

― akm, Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:34 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Another way to say it is that DC has moved in this direction not so much as a conscious, strategic choice but because their attempts to ape the MCU model have been inept af.

I'm scared my but won't fit in it. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:46 (six days ago) link

people wearing Joker masks isn't missing the point, it *is* the point depending on the protest- he only really loses it when he loses his social security

flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:42 (six days ago) link


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