I dare you to anticipate Joaquin Phoenix in Todd Phillips's JOKER (now with something that may or may not be a SPOILER)

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very rude to stick Zazie Beetz and Bill Camp in this

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:27 (one year ago) link

just... why

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:30 (one year ago) link

It's like portraying Hamlet, every actor gets a turn eventually regardless of whether anyone asked for it or not.

all i want from this movie is that the first thing joaquin does after suffering his catastrophic breakdown is put on the makeup and go straight into a full-scale busby berkeley number where he and hundreds of dancers stage an elaborate performanec for the entire running time of the steve miller band's 'the joker'

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:10 (one year ago) link

I came upon a subway train surrounded by Jokers during the shoot

didn't get cast as an extra alas

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:18 (one year ago) link

The most intensely challenging, daunting role that any actor can play is that of the clown who fights Batman.

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) January 22, 2016

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:22 (one year ago) link

I came upon a subway train

tmi

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:22 (one year ago) link

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a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:25 (one year ago) link

tbf it would seem to nix your chance at being cast

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:27 (one year ago) link

c/d: making bad jokes in a movie about a sad clown

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:29 (one year ago) link

I’m perversely interested in this, as a fan of movies about Joaquin Phoenix’s gorgeous catastrophe of a face

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:30 (one year ago) link

yeah the weird thing is that i'd totally be down to watch a taxi driver-inspired movie about joaquin phoenix descending into madness but... does it have to be about the joker ffs

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:34 (one year ago) link

a taxi driver-inspired movie about joaquin phoenix descending into madness

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/7151VW52LPL._SL1500_.jpg

Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:36 (one year ago) link

exactly!

a photographer, satanist and ukip voter (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:37 (one year ago) link

ive no problem with this

fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:47 (one year ago) link

should poll which is gonna score higher on RT: JOKER or IMPRACTICAL JOKERS

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 14:51 (one year ago) link

This at least has a chance of being good. Nothing about the trailer struck me as being obviously terrible.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:09 (one year ago) link

Not gonna lie, this looks interesting.

Now where’s my gritty Crazy-Quilt biopic?

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:11 (one year ago) link

was ready to snark but I'm kind... of liking the look of this? (<3 Joaquin, what a weirdo)

Roz, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 15:14 (one year ago) link

This one's gonna be completely carried by Phoenix, amirite? Taking bets. Because that director...yikes.

Carly Jae Vespen (Capitaine Jay Vee), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:39 (one year ago) link

ive no problem with this

― fremme nette his simplicitte (darraghmac), Wednesday, April 3, 2019 7:47 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

gbx, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:45 (one year ago) link

From my perspective, as a guy who hates superhero movies, I think this was made for guys like me to say "as a guy who hates superhero movies, this doesn't look bad..."

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:48 (one year ago) link

Nothing about the trailer struck me as being obviously terrible.

The digital coloring was nauseating but that problem is certainly not limited to this movie

rob, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:48 (one year ago) link

what I like about that trailer is that it seems really off-putting and downbeat, and not necessarily in the usual crowd-pleasing twisty ways that genre films have been either of those things.

omar little, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:55 (one year ago) link

irredeemable schmuck becomes violent clown

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:20 (one year ago) link

Looks identical to the Suicide Squad trailer, but maybe that's just how these things are marketed.

... (Eazy), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:27 (one year ago) link

From my perspective, as a guy who hates superhero movies, I think this was made for guys like me to say "as a guy who hates superhero movies, this doesn't look bad..."

The last Superman kind of did the same thing - based on the first two thirds of the trailer, it could have been a Terrence Malick ripoff.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:32 (one year ago) link

Wow, October, how will we make it?

Todd Phillips sucks.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:39 (one year ago) link

This at least has a chance of being good. Nothing about the trailer struck me as being obviously terrible.

Huh. I thought this entire thing looked really, really dumb.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:44 (one year ago) link

Why has the Joker character taken on this Incel/burgeoning serial killer antihero thing lately? Fuckin sick of seeing joker memes all over the place with that 'when nice guys lose their patience the devil shivers' crap on them.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:47 (one year ago) link

Probably because people have either actively forgotten that The Joker is the personification of chaos with no actual code of ethics or reason, or because people are actively, willingly embracing evil in an attempt to make themselves feel powerful and in control.

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:50 (one year ago) link

Between Todd Phillips as director and Joaquin Phoenix in the lead, there's at least a chance we'll get to see the Joker take a shit on the ground and throw it at people.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:53 (one year ago) link

Dan - thats a depressingly good point.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:55 (one year ago) link

For reasons I can't quite pin down, the vibe of the trailer felt very

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLWKQ0eU2E4

I watched the trailer with the sound off, and I'm sure it added value.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:56 (one year ago) link

I really hope that the trailer accurately reflects what will be in this movie and that there aren't a ton of effects shots and fights against batman that aren't ready yet or something

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 21:59 (one year ago) link

xp trayce probably, there were some words in v.o. and they didn't seem to mean anything

moose; squirrel (silby), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:00 (one year ago) link

gang weed has flipped joker memes into weird meta-memes so completely at this point that they're inscrutable tho

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

(many xps to the joker memes convo)

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:11 (one year ago) link

gang weed? is that some kind of shitposting thingy. /old

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:17 (one year ago) link

very much so

they're not booing you, sir, they're shouting "Boot Edge Edge" (Will M.), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 22:24 (one year ago) link

Kind of a weird revival of Godspell, but ok.

pplains, Thursday, 4 April 2019 01:29 (one year ago) link

Kinda hoping Phoenix's character is driven to madness by watching Eddie Murphy's Delirious on tv and realizing all he knows are vaudeville jokes

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 02:06 (one year ago) link

so why exactly is DC making movies outside the DC Extended universe featuring characters that are in its extended universe.

are they going to see how it does and then decide whether to fire Leto as the Joker in the actual EU? cos I think that's a decision that can already be made.

Buttigieg comes right from the source (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:13 (one year ago) link

I came upon a subway train surrounded by Jokers during the shoot

Expecting Leto Nicholson Gorshin cameos at the end of this

... (Eazy), Thursday, 4 April 2019 03:40 (one year ago) link

Why does DC have a popular Flash TV show and then make a Justice League movie featuring someone completely different as the Flash, why does DC make 80% of the decisions it makes? My unsubstantiated guess is 'rampant late-stage syphilis' but who can say, really.

Most of their decisions can be attributed to the fundamental po’ faced absurdity DC specializes in.

pippin drives a lambo through the gates of isengard (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 4 April 2019 05:22 (one year ago) link

the pop stuff is maybe meant to be jarring but didn’t quite jive for me

the score is obviously great, good composer!

mh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 00:58 (ten months ago) link

I used to rewatch Fight Club a lot and it’s fine but, overall, worse at gauging it’s audience’s ability to read between the large print lines than anything Scorsese ever did.

It’s very pretty. I get the fantasy of looking (but not smelling) like Pitt’s character, and Jared Leto gets beat up. Helena Bonham Carter is attractive. Zeroing out credit debt is cool but doesn’t work like that, although buildings collapsing is shocking. In the end, the fuck-up seems to acknowledge a middle ground, although it’s the last thirty seconds.

mh, Tuesday, 5 November 2019 02:07 (ten months ago) link

The first sign that “Fight Club” might inspire men to do anything other than quote “Fight Club” on their Facebook walls came in the mid-two-thousands...

Can I just

☮ (peace, man), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 13:26 (ten months ago) link

Recently, when I checked out Palahniuk’s novel from my local library, the librarian, a woman in her thirties, visibly struggled to hide her displeasure

the correct response, shoutout to this librarian

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:22 (ten months ago) link

you know, I really enjoyed Lullaby but that's mostly because I've long harbored the fantasy of being able to murder people with my mind

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:25 (ten months ago) link

Palahniuk's not a horrible writer, but he's a one-trick pony and iirc has expressed some alt-right/libertarian leanings, although maybe that's just part of his edginess shtick

mh, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:33 (ten months ago) link

"I have a few extremely basic questions as to how (or if) the story here jibes with the Burton and Nolan films on a timeline, but I'm just a novice, so I'll look up the answers myself." Yes it has nothing to do with those films. And I'm hjoping it doesn't have a sequel.

Frankly I kind of like this approach that DC may be taking with their characters; they dont' really need to build a universe, it wasn't working anyway. You can use these characters and do one off movies. It's really ok.

akm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:34 (ten months ago) link

Fight Club is a fine novel and also a good film. I have to ignore any cult that has sprung up around it because like all of these things, it seems to me that people who do that aren't really getting the point (see: using Joker masks in big protests).

akm, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:36 (ten months ago) link

Can't wait for the Supes movie where he's 48 and doesn't know he has super powers and works as an insurance adjuster with manager Lenny Luthor.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:38 (ten months ago) link

sounds like a significant improvement on visionary director zack snyder's take on the character tbf

Titanic was cliched Marxist crap. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:45 (ten months ago) link

Frankly I kind of like this approach that DC may be taking with their characters; they dont' really need to build a universe, it wasn't working anyway. You can use these characters and do one off movies. It's really ok.

― akm, Wednesday, November 6, 2019 8:34 AM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Another way to say it is that DC has moved in this direction not so much as a conscious, strategic choice but because their attempts to ape the MCU model have been inept af.

I'm scared my but won't fit in it. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 November 2019 14:46 (ten months ago) link

people wearing Joker masks isn't missing the point, it *is* the point depending on the protest- he only really loses it when he loses his social security

flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 November 2019 17:42 (ten months ago) link

A senior White House official confirmed to Yahoo News that Trump screened 'Joker' for guests including “family, friends, and some staff.”

The senior official said Trump liked the film https://t.co/w7KEGfQEl4 by @hunterw, @BrettRedacted pic.twitter.com/bQfnnViBoC

— Yahoo News (@YahooNews) November 17, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 November 2019 13:32 (ten months ago) link

the oval office insider went on to claim that trump's chest pains were 'almost certainly' caused by the movie's twisted take on the iconic character

actor Robert de Niro disguised as an Uzbek homeopath (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 November 2019 13:40 (ten months ago) link

i guess you could say the joker played... THE TRUMP CARD! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHEHHEHEHEHEEE IT'S THE JOKER!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:18 (ten months ago) link

There’s no possible way that guy can sit and watch a whole movie

“Hakuna Matata,” a nihilist philosophy (One Eye Open), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:26 (ten months ago) link

Au contraire, he's had a toilet installed front and center in the WH screening room, so

Yul, Tied: A Celebration of Brynner in Bondage (Old Lunch), Monday, 18 November 2019 15:29 (ten months ago) link

The "toilet" being whichever of his family members he's angry at at that particular moment.

Jordan Pickford LOLverdrive (Neanderthal), Monday, 18 November 2019 16:02 (ten months ago) link

hope you guys who bought tickets are looking forward to LEX in 2020, Captain Cold in 21 and grim-and-gritty Jonni DC in 22
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/joker-sequel-works-as-todd-phillips-eyes-more-dc-origin-movies-1256255

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:15 (ten months ago) link

Fingers crossed for Crazy Quilt

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Wednesday, 20 November 2019 21:50 (ten months ago) link

one month passes...

Calling it now: minimum of two Oscar nods.

― Furter-Bursting Tater Squirter (Old Lunch), Monday, October 7, 2019 1:06 PM (three months ago) bookmarkflaglink

TBH, this power of mine is more curse than blessing.

Pizza is Really Yummy for Me (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 January 2020 15:42 (eight months ago) link

Joaq deserves a nom, BP for sure too
Gerwig got robbed for director

flappy bird, Monday, 13 January 2020 17:55 (eight months ago) link

four weeks pass...

Just saw this. I think it had too many memes & thinkpieces in front of it for it to have any impact. It wasn't bad, in the sense of being badly made, but it seemed pretty pointless and if it was meant to be entertaining the only sense of entertainment I could liken it to is a horror movie where you're just like "ugh oh god ok I guess" the whole time. If it was supposed to be about the Joker, from a Comic Book Guy perspective it was a whiff since this Joker wasn't clever or even mischievous, just a witless psychopath from beginning to end. Really repetitive and no ending to speak of. Had I not been trying to see all the Oscar nominees I would have been fine to give this a miss.

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:13 (seven months ago) link

It wasn't directed.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:20 (seven months ago) link

Yeah it's the usual reading things that Phillips wasn't actually intelligent enough to willfully put in there.

they seemed to want to use a TV-length character arc in a two hour feature film which just doesn't work. even in the train scene, he quickly pivots from killing a guy in what might questionably be self-defense, before immediately committing murder, including pursuing a guy at Usain Bolt speeds and shooting him in the back. Might have been a little more effective if he'd only killed one guy, in self defense, as that's quite a leap.

the movement also made no sense. yes, movements sprout up all the time, but a bunch of clowns assembled and grew in numbers and began holding demonstrations due to what they could only *assume* were Arthur's motives. it was some Life of Brian shit. usually those type of movements need some form of charismatic leadership to grow at the rate the Clowns in Training did in a short time. it quickly goes from a handful of doofuses in masks to hundreds of people basically rioting in downtown Gotham.

he's a demagogue who hasn't even addressed his congregation until he goes on TV and blows DeNiro's face off and suddenly it's war in the streets.

xpost lol

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:28 (seven months ago) link

With some time to process it, I pretty much agree with you Sparkle Motion, but I had a more negative opinion right after watching it given every one of my friends raved about it

Vinnie, Monday, 10 February 2020 01:30 (seven months ago) link

the only real themes in the movie were "people are nasty to each other, including me, and that's why I snapped", which is...not very interesting, nor did it make sense, since fairly obviously, it wasn't society's cruelty, it was his own neglectful/abusive mother and her equally abusive boyfriend who were more to blame for his plight. his entire neurological condition came from a beating he suffered at their hands!

this is just a comic book movie, so no it doesn't require these heavy themes, but if yr gonna pretend you're 'transcending' the genre, you might wanna put on a harness first.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:30 (seven months ago) link

I was in the Philippines where it was a half day ahead so I got to see it before all of my friends, which I was glad to do.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:31 (seven months ago) link

in retrospect it may not have been written either

justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:31 (seven months ago) link

it is getting the defense that the shitty Zombie Halloween got - "it's a character study". Sure...a bad one.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:32 (seven months ago) link

I didn't even hate the movie either, but I could barely stomach the ending. not with what's going on now across the globe.

sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 February 2020 01:32 (seven months ago) link

I finally got around to watching this, I had very low expectations but eh it was ok, a solid 6/10, slightly better than Fight Club.

Surprised that it reminded me of Requiem For A Dream in a few ways.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 10 February 2020 21:54 (seven months ago) link

for all the Taxi Driver comparisons (I saw the latter a couple weeks ago for the first time in awhile), Joker is just a movie that doesn't hit any of the same notes except that it's a psychotic dude in a run-down NYC (-type) city. the creeping paranoia and dread and single-minded focus and the way in which Travis talks *around* his troubles w/other people and doesn't explain them overtly, just hints at them and occasionally lashes out briefly before collecting himself...it all seems very real, in the sense that despite his journey to the end of the film, it also reads like a consistently inconsistent way of life without an easy narrative. Even considering the heightened comic book drama of this type of film it just reads as false and also a fairly unsympathetic reading of mental illness.

omar little, Monday, 10 February 2020 22:02 (seven months ago) link

three months pass...

not a fan of misery porn but this was fine as a heavy duty pastiche of the lone wolf psycho genesis using our guy

why it had to be the joker idk

didnt deserve any of the weight either the director or the thinkpieces demand of it

phoenix is good

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 01:55 (four months ago) link

otm

mh, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:43 (four months ago) link

I watched it expecting it to be terrible, was pleasantly surprised. my wife watched it expecting it to be good, was disappointed.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:53 (four months ago) link

that seems fair!

the scorsese ripoff stuff does nobody much justice, but i saw as much shyamalan in the actual direction as i did anything

interesting little effort and i hope that the writer/director hear me say it and are outraged tbh

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:16 (four months ago) link

i laughed real hard at the funny parts and i feel like nobody focuses on those in their thinkpieces

Hackers (1995) (Will M.), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:18 (four months ago) link

thinkpieces dont believe anyone can laugh anymore u monster

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:18 (four months ago) link

the jokers real crime....was joking

spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:19 (four months ago) link

i saw this tonight & i agree w deems

in and of itself its ok if you unhook it from
all of the baggage. so much baggage, jesus.

todd phillips is an annoying preening nihilist & no-one should listen to anything he says about this movie. imo.

phoenix undeniably good. the involuntary laugh is such a tough thing to pull off convincingly & as a piece of acting, the physical exercise iself, i found it really fascinating. also it’s the thing that sells everything else about Arthur’s character.
the weightloss was terrifying to me though. not machinist-bale CALL 911 scary but close.

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 May 2020 05:31 (four months ago) link

I'm kind of glad I didn't like it more than I did because the last 30 minutes of the movie would have ruined it for me anyway.

I still "enjoyed" it to some extent but it seemed to treat many of its tropes as part of a checklist they needed to complete to reach "important movie" status.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 May 2020 05:37 (four months ago) link

definitely more Shyamalan than Scorsese though. i think that’s why the end didn’t bother me, because it just felt like he’d given over to total delusion after the Brian Tyree scene at Arkham

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 May 2020 05:41 (four months ago) link

i was mad that they wasted someone like Tyree in such a lame role, much like they wasted Zazie Beetz as a plot device. but just cos I love them both so much

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 May 2020 05:43 (four months ago) link

agree! like, you’re basically benching your best players!

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 17 May 2020 05:47 (four months ago) link

also I think Martha Wayne should have known karate in this version. since we were changing things up a bit

ain't nobody jackin' her pearls this time.

I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 17 May 2020 05:53 (four months ago) link

i laughed real hard at the funny parts and i feel like nobody focuses on those in their thinkpieces

― Hackers (1995) (Will M.), Wednesday, May 13, 2020 1

There aren't any funny parts to focus on.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:44 (four months ago) link

The guy walked into a door that was kinda funny

The hospital clown bit was meant to be funny but didn’t really land for me iirc

I think there’s some unintentional comedy in how oppressive and tryhard and stupid this is most of the time. I’m with dmac & co tho this was passable enough for a serious funny papers movie and the takefest that accompanied it was far worse

What fash heil is this? (wins), Sunday, 17 May 2020 10:53 (four months ago) link


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