Ari Aster's MIDSOMMAR (2019)

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Number None, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:07 (one year ago) link

in before the inevitable Wicker Man comparisons

I found Hereditary unique and effective enough to assume he's canny enough to go for something a little different here. Do we know who's handling the music yet?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:28 (one year ago) link

he's canny enough to go for something a little different here

well if the trailer is anything to go by it's all daylight, which is definitely an interesting (and challenging) choice

Number None, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:36 (one year ago) link

i thought hereditary was great, i'll watch the shit out of this - i really like the sun-dappled look of the cinematography

florence pugh's been great in everything i've seen her in so far, keen to see what she does here

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:42 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

new trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Vnghdsjmd0

Number None, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 13:59 (one year ago) link

I'm going to avoid watching the trailers, but really looking forward to this. I saw Hereditary just a few days ago and loved it.

jmm, Tuesday, 14 May 2019 14:02 (one year ago) link

Conflicted about watching the trailer; considering Hereditary’s trailer had as much deception as some of the choices in the film itself, I can only imagine the Midsommar trailer would be well-crafted and avoid giving away anything you wouldn’t want it to ahead of time.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 17:15 (one year ago) link

midsommar murders

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 17:34 (one year ago) link

one month passes...

interestingly polarized reactions on twitter so far, many raves but a few vicious dissenters. should be interesting.

Simon H., Thursday, 20 June 2019 02:50 (one year ago) link

I feel like this type of movie should be perfect for me, but they never go dark enough.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 20 June 2019 03:38 (one year ago) link

Hm. Okay, hopefully non-spoilery thoughts: Aster's metier, clearly, is trauma and survivorhood. That's what he explores, consistently. The question is how he constructs the vehicle. In this case I would add there's a definite sense being raised of *how* trauma/survivorhood is understood and interpreted not merely by the survivor but those around the survivor, especially, in this case, beyond family as understood, as opposed to <I>Hereditary</I>'s clear internal focus on family. I think this film will be one to reflect on with time, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it, and I look forward to others' thoughts. Beyond that: beautifully shot (the all-encompassing/oppressive sense of light and its rare muting or absence is handled extremely carefully), some actual funny moments, truly striking diagetic (mostly) Haxan Cloak score. Will say that how the scenes are stacked to show all sorts of activity going on that is never fully explained (and doesn't need to be explained) is one of the film's strong points. Would add that this is clearly a case where if you know your horror tropes you kinda know where it's all going, which may or may not frustrate you -- this isn't <I>Wicker Man</I> redux, say, but it's a film that knows its heritage. Final note: it's LONG. Give into a pee break if you think you need it.

Oh and this is accurate:

#Midsommar spoilers out of context. pic.twitter.com/B70gkiMb8K

— JustinKnoepfel (@JustinKnoepfel) July 3, 2019

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 06:04 (one year ago) link

tbh I just want to know how long it takes them to kill the black guy

brigadier pudding (DJP), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:08 (one year ago) link

Final note: it's LONG. Give into a pee break if you think you need it

This gave me pause. But I'm going to a 10 a.m. screening. See you on the other side!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 13:25 (one year ago) link

140 minutes

comedy and horror generally benefit from being compact

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:20 (one year ago) link

gonna end up seeing this despite how much i hated hereditary, hoping for the best. the length does not give me a lot of hope tbh

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:56 (one year ago) link

Also, now that I’ve had a night to sleep on it — sound design is pretty crucial in this film. Grief and its aftereffects are portrayed visually (natch) but the underscoring of how someone can *hear* differently in its throes is something that really stands out to me all the more. Like it is an aural representation of shock and what it means to work through it — things are murky, unclear, you feel disoriented, sudden memories overwhelm you and your senses don’t ‘work.’ Again, it’s there visually to a degree but the sound design really underscores it, and arguably has both vivid moments of sudden actualization in the narrative, making itself manifest and then part of a greater whole, leading to an ending where it is absolutely central on several levels. This might be one of the strongest such efforts in terms of how grief is portrayed since Twin Peaks season 3, though instead of Lynch’s operatic dream tragedy and confusion via sound, this is somewhere where we are constantly looped back into an internal headspace projected outward. It’s very striking the more I think about it.

the length does not give me a lot of hope tbh

An edit or two wouldn't've hurt anything.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 14:58 (one year ago) link

Took me a little more thought but I finally put my finger on something that helps me think about the film: two themes, maybe more implied than directly stated, are culpability and conscious guilt. This plays out to the end, but in a way where I’m not entirely sure whether the resultant ambiguity is intentional. This could just be an overread on my part, though.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:19 (one year ago) link

Also manipulation is more obviously central as well the more I think about this. I was initially treating the cult trappings as just that but the more I think about it the more obvious it is that you have to separate the actual 'trappings' part -- the rituals, the visuals, etc. -- from what a cult is like in any form. This all still feeds into grief as the core. And I'll finally stop for now.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 15:37 (one year ago) link

It's dark enough.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 16:38 (one year ago) link

I am intrigued by some ppl criticizing it for being not scary/horror-y enough (not seen yet), since I rewatched The Wicker Man recently and it reminded me how just a few plot trappings and a creepy scene or two were once more than enough to earn you the tag. Now people tend to whinge about classification if it's not wall-to-wall slayings or hauntings.

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:21 (one year ago) link

Yeah this is a movie with a very slow burn, one or two incredibly grotesque scenes, and the aftermath of same.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 17:26 (one year ago) link

my main point of curiosity is what this guy can do without the WMD that was Toni Collette. Don't think I can handle a Hereditary rewatch just yet but I'm unsure how much of what I loved about that movie was her or the direction.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:05 (one year ago) link

This movie is unthinkable (and unendurable) with the casting of Florence Pugh.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:06 (one year ago) link

without, you mean?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:07 (one year ago) link

haven't seen her in anything so don't have any expectations.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:07 (one year ago) link

tired: midsommar

wired: midsummer murders

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:17 (one year ago) link

yeah, without

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:19 (one year ago) link

haven't seen her in anything so don't have any expectations.

See Lady Macbeth at first opportunity.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:25 (one year ago) link

yep

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 18:25 (one year ago) link

oh shit, i had forgotten about that and yes she is amazing in it. that's reassuring.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 19:01 (one year ago) link

the emphasis on casting and performance as being discrete and separable from directing is....weird to me

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 July 2019 20:52 (one year ago) link

Alfred's got his review up -- there are spoilers so only read if you've seen it or if you know you're not going to, but I think it's a very sharp read on the film, including problems that I didn't address properly (but which DJP rightly noted upthread):

https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2019/07/03/midsommar-wants-to-be-more-than-a-horror-film/

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 3 July 2019 20:56 (one year ago) link

when you’re at an elite festival but IG is down pic.twitter.com/UGzBCtGTCG

— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) July 3, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 3 July 2019 21:06 (one year ago) link

I literally just got out of this film and one of my first thoughts was “I bet Eric Hatch is on this”

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 22:35 (one year ago) link

Alfred's got his review up -- there are spoilers so only read if you've seen it or if you know you're not going to, but I think it's a very sharp read on the film, including problems that I didn't address properly (but which DJP rightly noted upthread):

I finished the thread, just read DJP's remark -- yep. The racial politics are....fucked up.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 23:01 (one year ago) link

The racial politics are....fucked up.

I'm not gonna get around to this movie till it's on Amazon Prime, so if answering my questions would require too much spoilage feel free to ignore me, but...is there much made of the black guy being "a black guy," or is he just seen by the villagers/cultists as "not from here" just like the other protagonists? In other words, is his role in the film to be "the black guy" or is he a real character? And if it's the latter, why is it necessary or even good for a film set in a weird European village to hew to contemporary US racial politics?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 23:54 (one year ago) link

You know what, never mind.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 3 July 2019 23:55 (one year ago) link

The summary on Wikipedia doesn’t even mention which character is black.

president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Thursday, 4 July 2019 00:25 (one year ago) link

why is it necessary or even good for a film set in a weird European village to hew to contemporary US racial politics?

I mean, the writer-director is American (along with, we can assume, the bulk of the financing) and the festival is made up, so it hardly seems out of bounds

Simon H., Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:10 (one year ago) link

It's also a well-known horror trope that black people in those movies largely exist to be brutally murdered in front of or in the vicinity of the Final Girl

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 4 July 2019 01:58 (one year ago) link

I'm not gonna get around to this movie till it's on Amazon Prime, so if answering my questions would require too much spoilage feel free to ignore me, but...is there much made of the black guy being "a black guy," or is he just seen by the villagers/cultists as "not from here" just like the other protagonists?

SPOILER

All these things, and he's the most committed to research, the smartest, yet he must collaborate with the boyfriend-asshole.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 July 2019 04:51 (one year ago) link

Lots of insane stuff in this movie but IMHO the most audacious move was to visually reference the Wicker Man remake during the climax. That is some next level cinematic trolling.

Conceptualize Wyverns (latebloomer), Thursday, 4 July 2019 08:00 (one year ago) link

Good new Haxan Cloak interview re the score:

https://thequietus.com/articles/26744-the-haxan-cloak-midsommar-ari-aster-bobby-krlic-interview

Also worth noting — when I mentioned to my partner how I thought all the constant background activity was one of the film’s best points, she immediately said it made her think of Drowning By Numbers. Lo and behold, Krlic brings up that both he and Aster bonded over a mutual Peter Greenaway love among other things.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 July 2019 13:35 (one year ago) link

Seeing this tonight, but another thing I find interesting about this guy's movies is that no one can seem to agree about their degree of intentionality. I saw someone on twitter argue, for instance, that the ending of this one was "funny" and "wasn't supposed to be." Meanwhile in an AVClub interview Aster says he thinks of the movie as a dark comedy and specifically cited the ending!

Simon H., Thursday, 4 July 2019 14:50 (one year ago) link

I’m a bit bemused at the idea of seeing this film and thinking the humour was unintentional

shhh / let peaceful like things (wins), Thursday, 4 July 2019 15:43 (one year ago) link

Ari Aster is incredible at inserting bleak humor into his films. The reveal at the start of his short The Strange Thing About the Johnsons is simultaneously the darkest and funniest sight gag I think I've ever seen.

OneSecondBefore, Thursday, 4 July 2019 16:52 (one year ago) link

I enjoyed this.

Spoilery question - after the boyfriend was supposedly taken to the airport, did anybody else hear a woman screaming in the scene a few minutes later?

Fuck Trump, cops, and the CBP (Neanderthal), Thursday, 4 July 2019 16:58 (one year ago) link

Yeah that was clearly Connie.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 4 July 2019 20:38 (one year ago) link

and to oeo's point: i know i'm biased but i think horror is better equipped to deal with these things than basically any other genre. most horror... is a meditation on trauma

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:30 (seven months ago) link

anyway when they started smashing in the faces with hammers did anyone start humming this to themselves

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r861P1CqZeY

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:31 (seven months ago) link

horror is better equipped to deal with these things than basically any other genre

otm. horror conventions are ready-made for the exploration of themes and ideas that other genres just aren't

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:35 (seven months ago) link

lol brad. wld pay to see ari aster's version of a bohemian rhapsody/rocketman biopic of cannibal corpse

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 16:37 (seven months ago) link

Lol yes Brad. I did

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:54 (seven months ago) link

"Entrails Ripped From a Virgin's Cunt underperformed at the box office yet again. Producers are baffled."

Xpost

papa stank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 18:55 (seven months ago) link

oh wow

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:11 (seven months ago) link

I'm admittedly not a big horror guy! A lot of the frightening parts in Midsommar, outside of the gore -- which I also find distressing -- are based on empathy for the character(s).

The idea of frantically trying to convince your significant other that you absolutely have to check on your family, while the worst possible scenario is actually going down, scares the shit out of me. I've had phone conversations where it seems like someone's about to ask for help that ended up being cut off, only for all my callbacks to be unanswered, and 90% of the time it's because my friend's phone died and I was overthinking the conversation. This movie opens with whoops, hey, your sister was actually in the middle of a murder/suicide with your parents

babu frik fan account (mh), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:23 (seven months ago) link

like I get jump scares, gore, etc. are "horror movie scary" but when small worries and existential dread are played out on screen, and it's the worst possible scenario happening, that's also horror!

babu frik fan account (mh), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:24 (seven months ago) link

This was supposed to be on Amazon Prime starting the 3rd, but isn't showing up yet. Not sure what happened there.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:35 (seven months ago) link

https://amazonadviser.com/2020/01/07/amazon-prime-release-change-midsommar/

It turns out that the release date was wrong in the initial list of releases. Rather than Jan. 3, the release date for Midsommar should have been Jan. 10. That means the movie is heading to Prime Video at the end of this week.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:41 (seven months ago) link

in that case, will I watch this a third time? maybe

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:57 (seven months ago) link

I have read most but not all of the thread and skimmed the rest. I will preface my comments by stating that I am not a huge horror fan.

The prelude with Dani and her family was truly horrifying. The cuts to the firemen entering the house and making their way up to the bedroom were nightmarish and very effective. Similarly, the drug use scenes were genuinely creepy and seemed "real" to me, especially the way Dani's trip when they first arrive turns bad on a dime. I swear there is a shot or two when she is sitting at the head of the table after being crowned May Queen where the large platter of meat(?) in the foreground appears to be slowly writhing. Good stuff.

I loved how Dani's wailing when she sees Christian with the redhead at the end echoed her wailing to Christian on the phone after her parents died.

My biggest problem is that the plot was largely sterile and everything seemed pre-ordained. Who was going to live and die was apparent within 10 minutes of arriving at the commune, if not earlier. The fact that the idiot boyfriend was going to have sex with the redhead (or at least try) was apparent from their first look and there was nothing done to make one question this. Asshole, druggy friend was going to be the first to go. English Guy #1 and English Girl #1 (who gives a shit about their names) were only in the movie to disappear. This may have been why I liked this less than Hereditary. With Hereditary, I had no idea where the movie was going and the ending was genuinely WTF and awesome.

I liked the build-up to the finale and final ritual, but the film was too long. As I am typing out this comment, I find myself thinking about things I liked more than things I disliked, which may mean I liked the film better than I think.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Monday, 13 January 2020 20:07 (six months ago) link

everything seemed pre-ordained

horror movies are rituals

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 20:25 (six months ago) link

there's all kinds of stuff warping and moving during the drug scenes, these were probably easier to see on the movie screen than at home

na (NA), Monday, 13 January 2020 20:40 (six months ago) link

I mean didja expect they were all going to go to this mysterious Swedish festival nobody else in teh world had heard about it and it was all fun and everybody played games and had punch and then went home and then on the way home there was a wolf in the car?

papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:26 (six months ago) link

The fact that the idiot boyfriend was going to have sex with the redhead (or at least try) was apparent from their first look

as inexorable horrors go a p familiar one

difficult listening hour, Monday, 13 January 2020 21:37 (six months ago) link

The events of the film are shown in the opening credits.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:50 (six months ago) link

I mean didja expect they were all going to go to this mysterious Swedish festival nobody else in teh world had heard about it and it was all fun and everybody played games and had punch and then went home and then on the way home there was a wolf in the car?

― papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:26 (eleven minutes ago) link

I am not saying that I expected it was going to be Bonaroo. Just that I could almost instantly tell the purpose of each "character" and there was nothing that made me question these snap decisions: Dani was going to stay as soon as she had the conversation about family with the Swedish dude; English people were redshirts; asshole was going to die first because he was an asshole and that was his purpose (to be a character the audience enjoys seeing get killed (or not seeing). I didn't care what happened to any of them.

Again, this may be my problem with horror tropes in general. Overall I guess I enjoyed the ride even if it was the world's slowest roller coaster.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:51 (six months ago) link

The events of the film are shown in the opening credits.

^^^

"this fairytale was so predictable!"

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 21:51 (six months ago) link

the dread was palpable throughout for me. I did actually care about many of the characters' fates - even though I hardly consider that a prerequisite for a good horror film.

Connie and Simon actually were one of the few (besides Dani) to display any kind of genuine concern for the well-being of the two elderly who jumped (the others in the group were more 'fascinated' by it). and while it was plainly obvious that Simon wasn't dropped off at the airport separately from Connie, it's framed in a way that has you at least hoping that you're wrong, and then moments later you hear a woman screaming (Connie). And then at dinner, Mark casually jokes that Connie looked like she was trying out for the sprinting Olympics earlier, meaning he actually witnessed her running for her life from an unseen pursuer without realizing it.

they're familiar beats but the framing was unsettling to me.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:57 (six months ago) link

I’ve been reading this thread, don’t have much to contribute. I really liked it. The cinematography and set design and all of the subliminal details were fascinating to me, and I agree about the unsettling framing of events. One of my favorite individual moments was the car journey north through the forest to the commune, where the image of the road was flipped upside down just as the were entering Hälsingland. It felt really ominous

Dan S, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:37 (six months ago) link

I think it’s hasty to call Connie and Simon a couple of red shirts.

There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t; the way Pelle’s brother is punished for bringing them home (Ulf? I can’t remember his name).

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:51 (six months ago) link

There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t;

one that neatly elides how their skin color is different from everyone else's, you mean?

the lack of acknowledgment of race in this film is its biggest failing imo. Still great, but it does stick in my craw.

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:55 (six months ago) link

on a rewatch i did notice how often shots are set up in such a way that something offputting or disturbing is going on in the background and how often it’s just...passed over...by the characters or not noticed at all. “So are we gonna acknowledge the bear?” “It’s a bear.”

ryan, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:21 (six months ago) link

this handily ties into the main themes but does a nice job on it’s own of providing an unusual means for generating tension not only within the narrative but within shot compositions.

ryan, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:22 (six months ago) link

/There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t;/

one that neatly elides how their skin color is different from everyone else's, you mean?

the lack of acknowledgment of race in this film is its biggest failing imo. Still great, but it does stick in my craw.


Yep—maybe underdeveloped, but I wouldn’t say to the point that they’re only red shirts.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:30 (six months ago) link

horror movies are rituals

A brilliant observation from "Cabin in the Woods."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:37 (six months ago) link

another great movie that aggressively telegraphs every plot point!

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:43 (six months ago) link

There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t;

one that neatly elides how their skin color is different from everyone else's, you mean?

the lack of acknowledgment of race in this film is its biggest failing imo. Still great, but it does stick in my craw.

I was under the impression that everyone but Dani was intended to die from the beginning; they needed five outsiders for their sacrifice. I agree there's a racial element to how the cult does its recruiting (Dani is welcomed into the family in part because she looks very Nordic; Christian, who has reddish-blond hair, gets used for breeding stock before being killed; no one else is used for breeding, although the movie makes a big point of how the cult needs new blood), but I assumed this was something we were supposed to figure out.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 01:40 (six months ago) link

technically Christian's death was 50/50 and left up to Dani

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:01 (six months ago) link

That's true, so I guess the order of the deaths is slightly premeditated; it makes sense they would want to keep Christian till the end as their optional sacrifice since they've decided he's acceptable breeding stock.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:21 (six months ago) link

nearly everyone else does something to trigger their death, right? wanting to leave early, pissing on the sacred tree, taking pictures of their book, etc

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 04:00 (six months ago) link

Wanting to leave early? Or ruining their whole sacred ritual thing by expressing their shock, outrage, and horror by screaming obscenities and insults? I wasn't completely unsympathetic to the perspective of the commune/cult until the final act of the movie where it became clear what their intent all along was. On top of everything else about the movie, I enjoyed the anthropological interest that went into the creation of the commune.

beard papa, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:25 (six months ago) link

I mean didja expect they were all going to go to this mysterious Swedish festival nobody else in teh world had heard about it and it was all fun and everybody played games and had punch and then went home and then on the way home there was a wolf in the car?

― papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:26 (eleven minutes ago) link

"this fairytale was so predictable!"

― Οὖτις, Monday, January 13, 2020 4:51 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it's funny how ppl in film threads try to use logic to justify liking shitty movies

OneEyeOpen makes an otm post about how the entire movie had zero suspense or surprise or tension (and max 2 scares), and yall are like "it's a horror movie, SPOILER ALERT people get killed"

like oh, now that you put it that way, it's actually good that this bored the shit out of me

flopson, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:38 (six months ago) link

it was maximally tense even though we knew sorta what was going to happen bc of the plotting and imagery. everything feels kind of out of control at all times

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:41 (six months ago) link

however if you just wanna yell at us for enjoying a movie that bored you, go off

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:41 (six months ago) link

You're being disingenuous af in suggesting that most of us agreed with OEO's thesis but suggested these were features, not bugs. Most of us disagreed with most of the criticisms in their post outright, and were pointing out having an idea of what would happen in the movie didn't prevent it from being tense, suspenseful, disorienting, or thrilling.

For fucks sake, wanting big surprises and constant rug pulls is how we got the M Night era of horror.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:04 (six months ago) link

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papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:04 (six months ago) link

BradNelson otm throughout this thread, basically

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:05 (six months ago) link

there's only one person here trying to apply mathematical principles to the enjoyment of film imo

opden gnash (imago), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:05 (six months ago) link

zero suspense or surprise or tension

don't feel any of these are required to make a film interesting or worth watching

would argue that the movie has plenty of tension though, not so much based on "what is going to happen!?" but more on the "what the fuck is going on" with the particulars of things like the drugged tea and a bear and people running away screaming in the background or heads getting smashed in with a hammer etc.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:16 (six months ago) link

im like the opposite of brad in that I loved hereditary and it set my expectations way too high for this

sorry for being mean. here are some things i liked about this movie:
-casting of the scandinavians (they looked genuinely inbred)
-score
-cinematography
-costume/set design
-humour (should have been more of it though)

flopson, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:01 (six months ago) link

I think Hereditary was genuinely more WTF and unexplained weirdness than Midsommar (certainly more Lovecraftian). Midsommar probably had the better/more interesting design/visuals, though this may simply be a function of USA domesticity v. Swedish folk cult.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:46 (six months ago) link

Hereditary was a horror movie disguised as a family drama, and Midsommar is a family drama disguised as a horror movie

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:02 (six months ago) link

I'd agree with that but add that Hereditary was a good movie and Midsommar was a cult movie.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:01 (six months ago) link

Midsommar is a family drama transcendental comedy* disguised as a horror movie

*quite like this term. applies as well to...ooh, Toni Erdmann? some von Trier?

opden gnash (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:20 (six months ago) link

Midsommar’s wikipedia plot summary made more sense and was easier to follow than Hereditary’s

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:36 (six months ago) link

just watched this and i felt i saw a bjork music video fleshed out for 2+ hours.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 06:41 (six months ago) link

three months pass...

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