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I thought the new episode last night was just as good as the first series, maybe a few too many looks to the camera from Waller-Bridge but overall it was excellent

paolo, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 09:21 (seven months ago) link

I'm a sucker for awkward family dark comedy scenes and I can't think of any other shows that do them better off the top of my head. Maybe Flowers

paolo, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 09:23 (seven months ago) link

omg this is back on?

Yerac, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:20 (seven months ago) link

ahhhh

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:27 (seven months ago) link

It was BBC2 last time around wasn't it.
Was surprised it was BBC1 when i couldn't find it. Said it was a BBC3 production but I think series 1 must have post dated that being a cable channel mustn't it?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:33 (seven months ago) link

Last night's episode on BBC1 was part of what they called a 'BBC3 takeover' on BBC1.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:47 (seven months ago) link

Also, it was my first brush with this series and I thought it was great.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:47 (seven months ago) link

really? I would have thought you would need to have seen the 1st series to fully understand what was going on.

I enjoyed the ep too.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:08 (seven months ago) link

It took three minutes to get who was who at the dinner table, after that it was guns blazing.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:38 (seven months ago) link

I actually thought the dinner scene in series 1 (ep 6) was better than this one.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:45 (seven months ago) link

I really loved that restaurant bathroom.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:46 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, this is as good as the first season! She's awful talented.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 03:28 (seven months ago) link

holy shit, tonight's episode and particularly the last scene. So much of it was great, Kristin Scott-Thomas! Fleeing the scene but checking out a hot guy as she fled was amaze. But that last scene! Veeeeery interesting!

Does anyone need any exclamation marks? I've got loads!

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 01:44 (seven months ago) link

Wait, there's a new season?! In the US yet?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 02:03 (seven months ago) link

Oh, not until May.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 02:04 (seven months ago) link

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Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 02:24 (seven months ago) link

Oh for sure I could watch it any number of places, but I have a backlog so might as well wait.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 03:38 (seven months ago) link

Yeah, this is as good as the first season!

Better. It's lighter on its feet, sharper.

chap, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 10:13 (seven months ago) link

It's relying less on the sex for shock/humour value

fetter, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 10:33 (seven months ago) link

I was confused because I think she's performing her original stage version right now in New York

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:24 (seven months ago) link

Glad she's got a potential love interest who actually feels worthy of her in the (unnamed?) priest (also KST I guess).

chap, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:47 (seven months ago) link

god this show would be a disaster with anyone but PW-B in the lead. ep 2.3 was a riot but it takes a real talent to pull off some of these asides and reaction shots without coming off like a complete prat

Simon H., Tuesday, 19 March 2019 21:51 (seven months ago) link

Last minute of episode 3 was strange, in a good way. Her breaking the 4th wall, him noticing her doing it, or being somehow absent, which just causes her to do it again...

Is the logical conclusion of this an episode completely directed at us? Would that work?

(It is 2am)

koogs, Friday, 22 March 2019 02:16 (seven months ago) link

i guess my take was that she's talking to "god" (which is us) in those asides and he is somehow attuned to that, so her self-referential meta self which allows for everything to be taken ironically (and thus bearably) is threatened by him as an interloper... kinda like if someone could read your mind

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 March 2019 03:08 (seven months ago) link

It's relying less on the sex for shock/humour value

Yeah and it's really ramping up how horrible the family dynamic is. Her relationship with her sister is my favourite thing about the show.

Matt DC, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:35 (seven months ago) link

I saw it more as he was the first person who actually paid genuine attention to her and so he noticed that she was tuning out; whether she's tuning out to an inner voice/her PTSD/running self-commentary/God is left neatly ambiguous. And yes, that definitely will have a huge impact on her, because she's used to operating in the totally-ignored-until-acts-out space

stet, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:59 (seven months ago) link

A friend thinks she’s talking to Boo (which I don’t think is a spoiler, put like that).

suzy, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:33 (seven months ago) link

That was more or less my reading stet. A hint that perhaps her talking to the audience is in fact a symptom of the characters' bubbling under mental illness issues, or a coping mechanism, putting her at slight ironic remove from life.

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chap, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:36 (seven months ago) link

Anyway, it was a very well done moment that could have been awful in less skilled hands.

chap, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:37 (seven months ago) link

In the early episodes I thought the asides were either a piss-take of Miranda or the result of a BBC editor insisting she Mirandafy it 10%. Either way*, it's interesting to she her subvert it.

(*or neither way)

fetter, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:57 (seven months ago) link

i'd have thought it's an extrapolation of eye-rolling that cynical people do and it's about those kinds of people never really being present therefore the lived experience is always being turned around and made a version of itself for future consumption. it's also about being isolated and having to be yourself and the other you imagine being seen through the eyes of.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 22 March 2019 12:18 (seven months ago) link

xp yeah me too, took me a while to get on board with them and all the lol sex wisecracks

kinder, Friday, 22 March 2019 12:22 (seven months ago) link

I assumed the audience asides come straight from the stage show

Number None, Friday, 22 March 2019 12:56 (seven months ago) link

They do and it's a more theatrical gesture than a televisual one since the audience is right there. Doing it on a TV show isn't that unusual but thinking but the shift makes it interesting, it goes from being you to ...who?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 22 March 2019 13:06 (seven months ago) link

this is the best tv show of all time

flopson, Friday, 22 March 2019 21:36 (seven months ago) link

I personally find the priest character a difficult to believe but have enough faith in FWB to think that he's supposed to be - or that he's not supposed to be but we'll find out later why is like he is and i'll suddenly believe in him.

On the other hand, Killing Eve was not believable, to me, in any way really (I saw two episodes). I do not want to be condescending, and apologies if it sounds so BUT I wonder If Martin McDonagh put her up to writing a serial killer thing which does not seem to be her register at all, based on the episodes I forced myself to finish.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 00:08 (six months ago) link

People either loved or hated that, I know. the standard crit that it was "all over the place" is what I felt about it. So many things seemed like they were supposed to be funny but were not at all, for me.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 00:11 (six months ago) link

I love the asides and the extremity of it all

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 23 March 2019 01:53 (six months ago) link

I don't think Killing Eve was supposed to be "believable." I liked it for its stylishness, seductiveness and acting.

Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:13 (six months ago) link

what's an unbelievable serial killer drama other than that, though?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:48 (six months ago) link

I mean, what is it other than unbelievable? Reckless, gratuitous, pointless, dangerous? Ah, right, entertaining.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:25 (six months ago) link

also, stylish, which it wasn't.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:42 (six months ago) link

Sorry, I know I'm talking to myself here but and no offence is intended to anyone that liked it but... what's the intention in making a TV show about a female serial killer (which there are a notably small number of) and making it (allegedly) stylish and funny? FWB is a good writer but she had just started going out with a man that makes notably misjudged, but highly praised, serial killing/revenge "comedies" when she came out with KE.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:52 (six months ago) link

a lot of notably's there.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:56 (six months ago) link

Ugh, no, not the ‘woman takes on new partner’s interests by osmosis’ thing and BTW although she likes her job, Villanelle is better described as a contract killer.

suzy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 06:41 (six months ago) link

how much were the books written in that tone? I haven't read them but got the impression they were 'irreverent' or what have you

kinder, Saturday, 23 March 2019 07:57 (six months ago) link

No idea, but it’s worth remembering that until very recently, Luke Jennings was the Guardian’s very underemployed dance critic.

suzy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 08:02 (six months ago) link

ug myself a bit of a hole there. ignore those posts, i was steaming.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:44 (six months ago) link

dug

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:44 (six months ago) link

ohhh, I didn't know who she was dating. something new to look up.

Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:49 (six months ago) link

fight the real enemy imo

SNL

flopsy bird (voodoo chili), Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:08 (two weeks ago) link

yes.

Simon H., Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:09 (two weeks ago) link

fight the real enemy imo

― Simon H., Thursday, October 3, 2019 8:05 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

how

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:10 (two weeks ago) link

Speaking of a backlash..

https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/aug/29/fleabag-stage-theatre-show-phoebe-waller-bridge

piscesx, Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:39 (two weeks ago) link

lol, that piece is very dumb.
i saw the televised performance; it was good but served as proof of how skilled she and her team are at translating her vision to a larger audience. The show is a definite quantum leap forward.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 3 October 2019 15:58 (two weeks ago) link

there's one subtextual bit of that piece about how we write characters that are horrible people, and whether past depictions differ from the more contemporary due to our tolerances of what we allow in our fiction. 2013 still seems relatively contemporary, but from a writer working in cultural commentary I can see where there's some blanket changing of the rules that is in no way evenly distributed among people who have never read a thinkpiece

mh, Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:28 (two weeks ago) link

re: the show, I'm still on s1 but the slow revelation of what happened and why everyone keeps asking if she's okay is fantastic

brigadier pudding (DJP), Thursday, 3 October 2019 16:56 (two weeks ago) link

how

lots of competing theories on this but pretty sure "tut-tutting creatives for signing with the incorrect godless conglomerate" can be safely ruled out

Simon H., Thursday, 3 October 2019 20:36 (two weeks ago) link

Which of the three millennial women describing how they felt about this work by a millennial woman would you say was the dumbest, Ulysses?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 October 2019 08:58 (two weeks ago) link

And when did you stop beating your three dumb millennial wives?

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 4 October 2019 09:17 (two weeks ago) link

There isn't anything else in the article though - it's just a roundtable of three women discussing the play (and the TV series, and how things have changed in the last 6 years).

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 October 2019 10:07 (two weeks ago) link

forks said that (I infer, from reading half of it) the structure and content of the Guardian piece were fruitless and unenlightening about the performed text. He did not say anything about the intelligences of the participants, nor about how their gender or age relate to their intelligence, nor that their age & gender should qualify one’s apprehension of their personal reactions.

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 4 October 2019 10:27 (two weeks ago) link

(I’ve read smart things written by at least two of the participants. As a conversation in the bar, after a show, between folks who know each other, nobody comes off as fundamentally dipshitted. As a ‘printed’ article reflecting on the original play and how its context has altered since first production, it’s at best an 1/8th-arsed aide-mémoire toward writing up a roundtable.)

now let's play big lunch take little lunch (sic), Friday, 4 October 2019 10:37 (two weeks ago) link

The structure is literally them talking - the content is literally them talking (I assume cleaned up in the usual ways, I'll grant it's not just tape recorder audio) - there isn't a distance between "this article is dumb" and "the participants are dumb".

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 October 2019 11:57 (two weeks ago) link

Thread's taken an odd turn tbh.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:00 (two weeks ago) link

Fair.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 October 2019 12:02 (two weeks ago) link

roundtables are inherently dumb no matter the participants

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:03 (two weeks ago) link

*King Arthur pauses, sadly deletes half-written post*

brigadier pudding (DJP), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:14 (two weeks ago) link

lol

american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:20 (two weeks ago) link

smart people say dumb things all the time, particularly in round tables

I didn’t think anything they said was particularly dumb, but the central theme of the conversation took a route through examining how an intentionally offensive character monologue from 2013 was offensive in unintentional ways in 2019 and that didn’t feel fruitful.

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 12:28 (two weeks ago) link

Tbf that Guardian round table is extremely bad

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:36 (two weeks ago) link

I thought the discussion of how it feels like a cash-in, and how the intimacy of the original experience was lost (my immediate mental comparison was a "band plays their classic album in full" tour), was interesting.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:37 (two weeks ago) link

That was the only good point, the rest is garbled and inane. The show is far more complex and interesting than the commentators were giving it credit for

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 12:45 (two weeks ago) link

Lol at DJP's post, yes to Brad's "round tables are bad" assessment, and yes exactly to mh's comments

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 13:25 (two weeks ago) link

I was laughing at this line:

I’ve just been at the Edinburgh fringe, where I saw 50 more exciting shows.

I mean, it might be gauche to drop names in a roundtable like this, but if other shows are worth going to and would hold appeal for this audience, NAME SOME!
That kind of phrasing -- and the following admission that the Waller-Bridge's show is probably pulling traffic to the West End that may not usually attend -- is recognition that the audience might not be fringe festival-goers and it comes off as "well, they're not REAL theater fans.."

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 13:48 (two weeks ago) link

Anyone who goes to 50+ comedy shows at the Edinburgh Fringe needs locked up, for their own safety.

Let them eat Pfifferlinge an Schneckensauce (Tom D.), Friday, 4 October 2019 13:50 (two weeks ago) link

I've had Nathan Barley on the mind lately and I immediately went to the scene where the presumably sympathetic character is trying to escape "cool" writing and get a job with a traditional journalism outfit and is trying to pitch a review of his favorite wines and all he comes up with is "French, Spanish..... South French.."

And agreed, people who like binging things at festival shows and people who will go to a one-off incredibly popular theater event have some overlap, but it's not the same demographic!

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 13:52 (two weeks ago) link

i kinda thought the Guardian group-chat piece was obviously banal on the face of it and that it didn't require much more explanation but, since you explicitly called me out on it Andrew, I'll co-sign sic (tho i did read the whole thing!) and fgti's assessments above.

That article trafficked in concern trolling ("There are several fat jokes. I was sitting next to a large guy, who was laughing, but I wondered how he felt"), poor frame-of-reference ("It was like MTV Unplugged"), faux-naiveté that self negates itself in the same paragraph ("The monologue is solid but nothing hugely special. And the staging is incredibly ordinary... when you think how many plays are struggling for a stage, it feels slightly unfair when the same thing gets done again. But then, has there ever been a one-woman show in the West End that has been so financially viable? ") and just generally added nothing to the conversation beyond coming up with some real bizarre talking points ("Also what complicates that moment is that Waller-Bridge has the perfect body" <- according to who?). I guess the big takeaway is that Waller-Bridge seems to be "cashing in" on her and her work's popularity by staging a play lots of people want to see? Isn't that how commerce works?

And yes to the suggestion that round tables are generally terrible reflections of writers' capabilities; they're mostly good for fast turnaround and for paying writers partial wages for more words. I'm unfamiliar with the work of all three off the participants in that piece and wouldn't label them as "dumb"; I put the blame more at the foot of the Guardian. It's manufactured backlash clickbait and not well edited.

Since you seem to be implying that I feel otherwise AF, I'll state the obvious here and note that while many millennials can and do write well (about fellow millennials and other topics too!), not ALL millennials can and do write well (about fellow millennials etc) and that being a millennial does not necessarily impart some meaningful insight to the whole of your generation's actions.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 October 2019 14:59 (two weeks ago) link

tbh there's probably a comedy vein that could be mined about woke millennials cautiously analyzing their surroundings and entertainment media for the correct sympathies and signs while dropping clunkers like "has the perfect body"

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:31 (two weeks ago) link

Dear Woke People

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:35 (two weeks ago) link

tbh my own brain has been poisoned by The Discourse which results in a condition where you're unable to have normal conversations where you've internalized new cultural norms and you're in a state of intellectual disrepair constantly hoping you're saying the right things

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:37 (two weeks ago) link

Well, yeah, the panellists seemed to be, at times, not criticizing the show on its own merits, or engaging with the complexity of its characters, but dissecting whether or not the play/show lived up to their own view of the discourse.

Stating that "a woman taking advantage" (Snapes) might've been written differently post-#MeToo displayed a real lack-of-awareness about the thesis of the show? The show is about people taking advantage, including (especially) Fleabag?

I read it again to make sure that I wasn't wrong that it was a really bad round table, and I'm not wrong. I wanted to scream: she is supposed to be fallible. Did you miss the part where she accidentally kills her best friend by fucking around too much. Did you see the part where her best friend was the only healthy relationship in her life.

Maybe the show is way more simple than I made it out to be, but I don't think it is? I think it's a really complicated and critical show?

And to answer the question "when has there ever been a one-woman show on the London West End that has been so financially viable" like you've seen 50 shows at Edinburgh Fringe but you've never heard of Shirley Valentine?

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:45 (two weeks ago) link

I didn't watch the first season until recently, and most of the good analyses I read-- in particular, the Kathryn VanArendonk piece for Vulture-- were about the second season. I didn't read any good analyses of the first season, which, to me, had a lot to unpack. Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated!

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 15:49 (two weeks ago) link

The problem with any discussion about something that's very popular and already critically acclaimed, let alone a stage show that spawned a successful television series, is the inherent premise that whatever you're watching is good. So you're stuck with tangents about whether it's of its time, or if it holds up after a beloved descendant television program.

The unstated premise I was left with is that the stage show is, in fact, good. People enjoyed it. The large man (!) laughed.

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:52 (two weeks ago) link

hah, I posted that before your comment, fgti, but it's another angle on the same thing! season two reviews are viewing season one through season two glasses

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:53 (two weeks ago) link

Season two is generally considered better because it's written for TV - season one landed well because even a well-regarded Fringe show isn't going to be seen by nearly as many people as a TV show in a decent slot - I don't think I've seen anyone saying "I saw the stage show and the first season was better" - which is an obvious angle to send some appropriate people to look at the stage show and discuss it.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:57 (two weeks ago) link

I remember this review at the time, which is more straightforward and less thinkpiecey:
https://www.villagevoice.com/2016/09/23/fleabag-is-the-egocentric-comedy-heroine-of-your-dreamsnightmares/

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 15:58 (two weeks ago) link

well if you count the televised National Theater as "seeing the stage show," I saw the stage show and the first season was better! Like way better!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 October 2019 16:08 (two weeks ago) link

Good write-up!

I'm very, very curious about Fleabag's relationship to promiscuous sex. The "best sex of Fleabag's life" scene-- the 55 year old man pounding her while she gazes at the camera-- was shocking to me; mostly because I was sitting there wondering how important, in this scenario, was "the gaze of the audience"? How much of sexuality, to the promiscuous among our ranks, is performative? Idk I have so many questions

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 16:13 (two weeks ago) link

if i remember correctly, the punchline to that joke in the theatrical version (and maybe the series? it's been awhile) is the older guy moaning "YOU'RE SO YOUNG, YOU'RE SO YOUNG" which plays to the heart of fleabag's deeply self-doubting sense of intrinsic worth as object and maybe little else. Being desired, by anyone, gives her meaning; being objectified allows her to dodge questions of personal worth because objects don't cause pain or feel pain or need to prove anything. the looks to the "audience" in the series (and literally, to the audience in the play) certainly do play with that dynamic and also with her sense of "performing" for something bigger and more moral than fleabag to give meaning to her life... or that was some of my take at least.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 October 2019 16:21 (two weeks ago) link

being "young" isn't something fleabag has earned, it's something she's rapidly losing and she's not getting anything in exchange. forcing power to kowtow to that brief lacuna of desirability is clearly more of a turn on than the sex itself for her. we see a lot more of that with the priest where - initially especially - the turn on is in the taboo as much as it is the person. not to spoil, but it's clear to both parties that she's unlikely to stay if he leaves the cloth and that's part of what the ending of s2 is about

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 October 2019 16:24 (two weeks ago) link

I wasn't sure if he was saying "YOU'RE SO YOUNG" or "YOU'RE SO GOOD", or both. And what you're saying tracks with her statement that she LOVES picking up men, but derives less pleasure from the physical act itself as she does from the psychology of it.

I felt there was a startlingly clever mirror to Fleabag's relationship to sexuality in Godmother's sexhibition. Godmother is essentially doing the same thing as Fleabag has been doing the entire series-- performing sex publicly-- but Godmother's audience is the art community, where Fleabag's audience is the viewer. Godmother's sexhibition felt very much in-the-same-vein as Fleabag's initial disclosure (it's not actually about the physical act of sex itself), and then Godmother perfectly criticizes Fleabag, and the entire show in general: "this show is not about sex. It's about power."

Godmother's attempt to use sexuality to install herself as matriarch in Fleabag's family is successful; in contrast, Fleabag's attempt to exist freely, liberated, promiscuously, sexually-- all the while asking herself (or her father) "am I a good feminist?"-- backfires, and directly results in the suicide of her best friend. (The scenes between Fleabag and Boo called to mind something my sibling is often says: "Friendship is the highest form of romance." More recently, they've started replacing "friendship" with "communism" but ymmv I guess.)

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:19 (two weeks ago) link

A later revelation occurs in Fleabag's conversation with Kristen Scott Thomas's character. Fleabag attempts to exert her power in seducing this older lesbian, but the lesbian wins out-- and imparts to Fleabag an important "lesson" about getting older, and I paraphrase, "after menopause, all that shit stops mattering, and you are free to be who you truly are. A woman in business." Is this a lesson? Or is this another maguffin? The lesbian is suggesting replacing one structure of capital (sexual promiscuity) with another (business), is this meant to be ironic? Or is this meant to actually "teach" Fleabag to find pursuits toward self-worth outside of her sexuality?

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:23 (two weeks ago) link

(Part of the reason I fell in love with this show is that I oftentimes feel like a Harry in a world of Fleabags. I'm just out here trying to understand promiscuous sexuality and how it works for those who engage in it.)

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:25 (two weeks ago) link

it works better the less you analyze it (in personal encounters, not in the context of a show about a character that starts off promiscuous) because of the fear your prospective partner might be sexually promiscuous for a reason that turns you off

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:45 (two weeks ago) link

which, I guess the show covered in the context of the very attractive man who talks about how small her breasts are during sex, among other proclivities

he's handsome, we'll try not to think too much about the rest

mh, Friday, 4 October 2019 17:48 (two weeks ago) link

The lesbian is suggesting replacing one structure of capital (sexual promiscuity) with another (business), is this meant to be ironic? Or is this meant to actually "teach" Fleabag to find pursuits toward self-worth outside of her sexuality?

i think this is the case, but it IS a dark comedy after all so I don't think we're meant to believe she's cracked the code so much as she's found different, imperfect ways to cope that jibe with what fleabag's sister pursues.

Godmother's attempt to use sexuality to install herself as matriarch in Fleabag's family is successful

no coincidence that the show's secret icon of power - stolen, gifted, replaced, restolen - is a headless woman's torso that we learn was modeled after fleabag's mother

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 October 2019 17:58 (two weeks ago) link

Wow yeah I forgot about that detail. I forget about so many aspects of this show when I think about it! I had forgotten about "fucked me up the arse" dude

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

Also I adored the "people are shit" "yes.. but they're also all we've got" moment, directed a little too on-the-nose but the sentiment was nice

i could chug a keg of you (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 4 October 2019 18:15 (two weeks ago) link

works better in the play thru waller-bridge's interp of the guy, imo.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 4 October 2019 18:23 (two weeks ago) link


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