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I thought the new episode last night was just as good as the first series, maybe a few too many looks to the camera from Waller-Bridge but overall it was excellent

paolo, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 09:21 (four months ago) link

I'm a sucker for awkward family dark comedy scenes and I can't think of any other shows that do them better off the top of my head. Maybe Flowers

paolo, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 09:23 (four months ago) link

omg this is back on?

Yerac, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:20 (four months ago) link

ahhhh

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 15:27 (four months ago) link

It was BBC2 last time around wasn't it.
Was surprised it was BBC1 when i couldn't find it. Said it was a BBC3 production but I think series 1 must have post dated that being a cable channel mustn't it?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:33 (four months ago) link

Last night's episode on BBC1 was part of what they called a 'BBC3 takeover' on BBC1.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:47 (four months ago) link

Also, it was my first brush with this series and I thought it was great.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 16:47 (four months ago) link

really? I would have thought you would need to have seen the 1st series to fully understand what was going on.

I enjoyed the ep too.

Thus Spoke Darraghustra (Oor Neechy), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 21:08 (four months ago) link

It took three minutes to get who was who at the dinner table, after that it was guns blazing.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:38 (four months ago) link

I actually thought the dinner scene in series 1 (ep 6) was better than this one.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:45 (four months ago) link

I really loved that restaurant bathroom.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 5 March 2019 22:46 (four months ago) link

Yeah, this is as good as the first season! She's awful talented.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 12 March 2019 03:28 (four months ago) link

holy shit, tonight's episode and particularly the last scene. So much of it was great, Kristin Scott-Thomas! Fleeing the scene but checking out a hot guy as she fled was amaze. But that last scene! Veeeeery interesting!

Does anyone need any exclamation marks? I've got loads!

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 01:44 (four months ago) link

Wait, there's a new season?! In the US yet?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 02:03 (four months ago) link

Oh, not until May.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 02:04 (four months ago) link

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Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 March 2019 02:24 (four months ago) link

Oh for sure I could watch it any number of places, but I have a backlog so might as well wait.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 03:38 (four months ago) link

Yeah, this is as good as the first season!

Better. It's lighter on its feet, sharper.

chap, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 10:13 (four months ago) link

It's relying less on the sex for shock/humour value

fetter, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 10:33 (four months ago) link

I was confused because I think she's performing her original stage version right now in New York

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:24 (four months ago) link

Glad she's got a potential love interest who actually feels worthy of her in the (unnamed?) priest (also KST I guess).

chap, Tuesday, 19 March 2019 12:47 (four months ago) link

god this show would be a disaster with anyone but PW-B in the lead. ep 2.3 was a riot but it takes a real talent to pull off some of these asides and reaction shots without coming off like a complete prat

Simon H., Tuesday, 19 March 2019 21:51 (four months ago) link

Last minute of episode 3 was strange, in a good way. Her breaking the 4th wall, him noticing her doing it, or being somehow absent, which just causes her to do it again...

Is the logical conclusion of this an episode completely directed at us? Would that work?

(It is 2am)

koogs, Friday, 22 March 2019 02:16 (three months ago) link

i guess my take was that she's talking to "god" (which is us) in those asides and he is somehow attuned to that, so her self-referential meta self which allows for everything to be taken ironically (and thus bearably) is threatened by him as an interloper... kinda like if someone could read your mind

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 22 March 2019 03:08 (three months ago) link

It's relying less on the sex for shock/humour value

Yeah and it's really ramping up how horrible the family dynamic is. Her relationship with her sister is my favourite thing about the show.

Matt DC, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:35 (three months ago) link

I saw it more as he was the first person who actually paid genuine attention to her and so he noticed that she was tuning out; whether she's tuning out to an inner voice/her PTSD/running self-commentary/God is left neatly ambiguous. And yes, that definitely will have a huge impact on her, because she's used to operating in the totally-ignored-until-acts-out space

stet, Friday, 22 March 2019 10:59 (three months ago) link

A friend thinks she’s talking to Boo (which I don’t think is a spoiler, put like that).

suzy, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:33 (three months ago) link

That was more or less my reading stet. A hint that perhaps her talking to the audience is in fact a symptom of the characters' bubbling under mental illness issues, or a coping mechanism, putting her at slight ironic remove from life.

xpost

chap, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:36 (three months ago) link

Anyway, it was a very well done moment that could have been awful in less skilled hands.

chap, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:37 (three months ago) link

In the early episodes I thought the asides were either a piss-take of Miranda or the result of a BBC editor insisting she Mirandafy it 10%. Either way*, it's interesting to she her subvert it.

(*or neither way)

fetter, Friday, 22 March 2019 11:57 (three months ago) link

i'd have thought it's an extrapolation of eye-rolling that cynical people do and it's about those kinds of people never really being present therefore the lived experience is always being turned around and made a version of itself for future consumption. it's also about being isolated and having to be yourself and the other you imagine being seen through the eyes of.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 22 March 2019 12:18 (three months ago) link

xp yeah me too, took me a while to get on board with them and all the lol sex wisecracks

kinder, Friday, 22 March 2019 12:22 (three months ago) link

I assumed the audience asides come straight from the stage show

Number None, Friday, 22 March 2019 12:56 (three months ago) link

They do and it's a more theatrical gesture than a televisual one since the audience is right there. Doing it on a TV show isn't that unusual but thinking but the shift makes it interesting, it goes from being you to ...who?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Friday, 22 March 2019 13:06 (three months ago) link

this is the best tv show of all time

flopson, Friday, 22 March 2019 21:36 (three months ago) link

I personally find the priest character a difficult to believe but have enough faith in FWB to think that he's supposed to be - or that he's not supposed to be but we'll find out later why is like he is and i'll suddenly believe in him.

On the other hand, Killing Eve was not believable, to me, in any way really (I saw two episodes). I do not want to be condescending, and apologies if it sounds so BUT I wonder If Martin McDonagh put her up to writing a serial killer thing which does not seem to be her register at all, based on the episodes I forced myself to finish.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 00:08 (three months ago) link

People either loved or hated that, I know. the standard crit that it was "all over the place" is what I felt about it. So many things seemed like they were supposed to be funny but were not at all, for me.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 00:11 (three months ago) link

I love the asides and the extremity of it all

Never changed username before (cardamon), Saturday, 23 March 2019 01:53 (three months ago) link

I don't think Killing Eve was supposed to be "believable." I liked it for its stylishness, seductiveness and acting.

Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 02:13 (three months ago) link

what's an unbelievable serial killer drama other than that, though?

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 03:48 (three months ago) link

I mean, what is it other than unbelievable? Reckless, gratuitous, pointless, dangerous? Ah, right, entertaining.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:25 (three months ago) link

also, stylish, which it wasn't.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:42 (three months ago) link

Sorry, I know I'm talking to myself here but and no offence is intended to anyone that liked it but... what's the intention in making a TV show about a female serial killer (which there are a notably small number of) and making it (allegedly) stylish and funny? FWB is a good writer but she had just started going out with a man that makes notably misjudged, but highly praised, serial killing/revenge "comedies" when she came out with KE.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:52 (three months ago) link

a lot of notably's there.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 04:56 (three months ago) link

Ugh, no, not the ‘woman takes on new partner’s interests by osmosis’ thing and BTW although she likes her job, Villanelle is better described as a contract killer.

suzy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 06:41 (three months ago) link

how much were the books written in that tone? I haven't read them but got the impression they were 'irreverent' or what have you

kinder, Saturday, 23 March 2019 07:57 (three months ago) link

No idea, but it’s worth remembering that until very recently, Luke Jennings was the Guardian’s very underemployed dance critic.

suzy, Saturday, 23 March 2019 08:02 (three months ago) link

ug myself a bit of a hole there. ignore those posts, i was steaming.

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:44 (three months ago) link

dug

Acting Crazy (Instrumental) (jed_), Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:44 (three months ago) link

ohhh, I didn't know who she was dating. something new to look up.

Yerac, Saturday, 23 March 2019 13:49 (three months ago) link

he plays a similarly sweet, baffled character in W1A

and The Windsors.

fetter, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:56 (one month ago) link

Whuh:

The series has been remade for French television by Jeanne Herry. Titled Mouche (French for 'fly', the insect), it started airing on 3 June 2019 on pay channel Canal+. Mouche is a close remake, though set in Paris with Camille Cottin in the starring role.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 20:17 (one month ago) link

And yes there's a trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqEACcnn3Ko

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:07 (one month ago) link

I finally got around to watching Season 2, and it was hilarious, and had a ton of great moments. One thing that bugs me about it, though, is the insane narcissism of PWB (or at least her character in the show). Other than being responsible (to some degree) for Boo's death, her problems seem to be that she is too funny, too beautiful, and more hip than everyone else, according to everyone in the show. Makes it a little hard to connect with her struggles when they read like the answer to the interview question "what is your worst fault?"

DJI, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:28 (one month ago) link

That's one of the reasons I don't rate it so highly, I think.

Still, better than Crashing where she writes herself as Magical Pixie Girlfriend who is so irresistible to her ex he dumps his fiancée for her.

Elitist cheese photos (aldo), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:38 (one month ago) link

y’all, what

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:47 (one month ago) link

y'all, what OTM

Yerac, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 21:58 (one month ago) link

yeah, don't really get that

kinder, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:19 (one month ago) link

you don't? every character is constantly asking her not to make it all about her.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:21 (one month ago) link

@aldo thought you were talking about Pete Holmes' show and got very confused for a minute.

DJI, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:25 (one month ago) link

you don't? every character is constantly asking her not to make it all about her.

― Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, June 18, 2019 3:21 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

her problems seem to be that she is too funny, too beautiful, and more hip than everyone else, according to everyone in the show

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:43 (one month ago) link

I didn't feel that way but I do get it.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 22:54 (one month ago) link

Brad: Examples are how Fleabag's sister gets mad because she came up with a great joke, or how her mother's funeral was tough because everyone was telling her how beautiful she was.

DJI, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:40 (one month ago) link

oh yeah, I forgot that bit.

Shite New Answers (jed_), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 23:57 (one month ago) link

"her mother's funeral was tough because everyone was telling her how beautiful she was" <---definitely the behavior/perception of a healthy/well-adjusted person and trustworthy narrator

Simon H., Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:01 (one month ago) link

Are you saying she made that bit up? It didn't seem to me that the show was trying to (on top of all of its other clever storytelling devices) portray her as an unreliable narrator of the story. She is definitely an unreliable narrator in her asides to the audience, but I figured that we were supposed to trust that the things which happen on-screen actually happened.

DJI, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:17 (one month ago) link

considering her most private feelings are reserved for her mother's memory, it seems defensible to argue that maybe she's choosing to redirect what her funeral was like. but I'd need a rewatch to assess this idea.

Simon H., Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:23 (one month ago) link

I think it's pretty clear we're seeing everything from her perspective - her asides to the audience don't happen like Shakespearean soliloquies, they are right in the action, so it seems when she turns back to the action she is acting her life out for the audience. And everyone in her orbit is a sort of caricature, an essence of how she sees them.

Zelda Zonk, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:29 (one month ago) link

Well then forget I said she was narcissistic!

DJI, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 00:34 (one month ago) link

Don't let me ruin Ferris Bueller for you all, but he's a little self absorbed too.

Yerac, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 01:40 (one month ago) link

Zelda otm

Shite New Answers (jed_), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 02:00 (one month ago) link

To be clear, I still loved the show! To those rushing to defend PWB - don’t worry - she clearly understands how funny and beautiful she is.

DJI, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 02:09 (one month ago) link

her mother's funeral was tough because everyone was telling her how beautiful she was.

When I watched it first, II got the impression it was that everyone was telling her how beautiful she looked on that particular day, as if she normally looked like shite, but now, on this day when she is suffering more than she ever has before, she suddenly looks beautiful. It was like the opposite of everyone telling you that you look tired, as if you can do anything about that, or it's supposed to help. But I agree that it could also be that this is the only thing people said to her that she remembers. Which does confirm her narcissism, but not in a way I have a problem with.

trishyb, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 11:53 (one month ago) link

The first season she also has a moment where she's walking down the street and telling the camera how amazing she looks and how the next person who walks by will definitely make a pass at her, and they don't, and it comes across as self-deprecating and endearing but underneath is clearly some fairly standard narcissism bordering on delusional!

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 19 June 2019 12:44 (one month ago) link

my "ya'll, what otm" was that this was a primary facet of her character that leads to a lot of her "struggles". I only get annoyed with narcissistic characters if they aren't entertaining and attractive.

Yerac, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:43 (one month ago) link

xpost I loved the funeral beautiful comments.

Yerac, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:45 (one month ago) link

having gone to a few funerals lately, the bit where she actually looks great at a funeral was really painful

people saying you look well, especially if you’re part of the deceased’s immediate family, is this nicety people lean back on. you probably look stressed, maybe tear-stained, and broken

actually looking great to the extent people are clarifying that they’re not just using the funeral script... oh god

mh, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:58 (one month ago) link

that is to say, painful in a great way as far as the script goes!

mh, Wednesday, 19 June 2019 13:59 (one month ago) link

the number one best thing about this series is that the mother never shows up in flashback being played by lindsay duncan or fn tilda swinton

plax (ico), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:04 (one month ago) link

hahaha

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:06 (one month ago) link

lol

Rory end to the lowenbrow (Noodle Vague), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:07 (one month ago) link

feel like she woulda played her own mother in that scenario

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 June 2019 19:39 (one month ago) link

just watched Crashing. boy that was....actually kind of terrible for the most part!

Simon H., Friday, 21 June 2019 21:23 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy? I didnt read him that way at all.

I wasnt a fan of s1 - I found it hard to get past how hateful everyone was, esp the stepmother and Claires husband (ugh, his angry smug face and that beard make my skin crawl).

S2 turned it all upside down. As she says in the very first line "this is a love story". And it was. Not just about her and the Priest, but about her and her sister, her and her dad, her and the memory of her mum.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:39 (one week ago) link

Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy?

ilxor altar boy crew assemble

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:40 (one week ago) link

ouch.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:41 (one week ago) link

there was a lively debate regarding the creepiness, many disagreed with the thesis, it was mostly men because ilx is mostly men

bookmarkflaglink (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:44 (one week ago) link

Most of the disagreers were women. I just thought it was curious.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:57 (one week ago) link

“Inadvisably / extremely fuckable” is Andrew Scott’s wheelhouse.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 00:43 (one week ago) link

let the record show i’ve never said he was creepy

untuned mass damper (mh), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 01:26 (one week ago) link

He was too lost and befuddled to be creepy.

chap, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 09:09 (one week ago) link

Yeah, not creepy at all (maybe people project his other charachters on this one).

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 10:45 (one week ago) link

Hated Season 1 (only made it halfway) but have really enjoyed the first 2 episodes of Season 2.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 11:49 (one week ago) link

Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy? I didnt read him that way at all.

Not all men.

Although, I didn't think he was creepy all the time. Just the time he got so turned on by her crying in the other side of the confession box that he lost control of himself. That was creepy.

trishyb, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 12:39 (one week ago) link

hum. yeah ok, if you consider the ethics of his position, that was definitely out of line...

AlXTC from Paris, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 12:54 (one week ago) link

I read it as weakness rather than pre-meditated creep though.

chap, Wednesday, 10 July 2019 13:46 (one week ago) link

Yeah same, on both their parts. Dont get me wrong, I'm with Mandee on this - what they were doing was Wrong (hes a priest, sex for him is basically Cheating on God). But it was hawt, and he had a real charm. I loved it every time he saw through her asides.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 11 July 2019 04:04 (one week ago) link

Which reminds me: is the idea she was talking to god? At one point at the end I thought maybe it was her mother, given she glanced down at the T&A statue, then back up/out to the audience with a sad smile.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Thursday, 11 July 2019 04:05 (one week ago) link

you wait till you can hire the electric scooters. menace.

/Why is it all men in this thread who said Priest was creepy? I didnt read him that way at all./

Not all men.

Although, I didn't think he was creepy all the time. Just the time he got so turned on by her crying in the other side of the confession box that he lost control of himself. That was creepy.


i have an intrinsic distrust of institutional figures (see also teachers) who behave in a way designed to show they’re not like those *other* stuffed shirt priests/teachers, by for example swearing in jarring places. creepiness extends to feeling this can come with other, seedier forms of boundary breaking. i think there may be a sense of their cheaply hocking moral trust invested in them to appear personally more interesting, sometimes for sex. the more sensible pupil will say “why are they trying to be my friend? they’re not my friend”.

Fizzles, Thursday, 11 July 2019 06:36 (one week ago) link

that “moral trust hocked cheaply” bit may be where a specifically *male* envy comes in potentially making unfair judgments - to Trayce’s thought. to what extent that drives or taints the more general observations i made above, i’m not sure. not much is my immediate feeling.

Fizzles, Thursday, 11 July 2019 06:41 (one week ago) link


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