END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

i cringed at warren's tweet, but this is a very weird reason to favor one candidate over the other

when you're running for president, it's highly likely that you're going to have to meet and talk with some pretty awful ppl, and if ppl are actually "disgusted" that warren offered to meet with gates (rather than, i guess, calling for him to be shot and bayoneted), it's safe to say that at some point they're going to be horrified by someone bernie agrees to talk to

They won't be horrified because Bernie will talk to no one when he's president. He'll sit alone in the Oval Office growling.

subtweeting of a hypothetical sanders tweet

Can't keep up with the xps but "I would love to tell you to your face exactly how much more I would make you pay in taxes" is not particularly chummy.

They won't be horrified because Bernie will talk to no one when he's president. He'll sit alone in the Oval Office growling.

occasionally he will visit the Senate to angrily heckle Joe Manchin

"I would love to tell you to your face exactly how much more I would make you pay in taxes" is not particularly chummy.

That's how I read it.

jim in vancouver's acting like a right winger on Laura Ingraham's in 2012 looking for evidence that AHA YOU SEE Obama was a Kenyan socialist.

It's a meeting at first, but what is going to be said in the room? Warren is already saying it won't be that bad, she is ready and keen to sell out on anything she would tell the average voter.

this whole thing is also exceptionally stupid becaaaause

Earlier today Bill Gates in an interview said he doesn't like Elizabeth Warren's wealth tax because he thinks he will have to pay "$100 billion" and he will have to do "a little math"(?).

That sounded wrong, so I did the math.

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— mcc (@mcclure111) November 7, 2019

i don't see any moral/ethical distance between the two tweets personally but i accept that my bernie bros love to invent purity standards on the fly

this is a very silly conversation

thank you

thirded

yeah this is kind of obtuse. lets get Bernie back on the court shooting hoops and implementing M4A

yeah it's deeply stupid

This thread would be more useful as Bernie slash fic than a Marvel Universe alternate reality in which Elizabeth Warren is Phyllis Schlafly.

the freddening

We could instead talk about the actual Bernie announcement of the day

Sen. Bernie Sanders on Thursday released his comprehensive immigration plan, calling for a complete restructuring of the system through legislative action and a series of executive orders.

On day one of his administration, the candidate for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination said, he would place a moratorium on deportations, end raids by Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, stop construction of the wall on the US-Mexico border, end family separations and shutter for-profit detention centers.

Under his "A Welcoming and Safe America for All" plan, the Vermont independent indicated for the first time that he will reverse guidance from the Trump administration's Department of Justice and permit asylum claims from those fleeing domestic or gang violence. Sanders would also overturn Trump's so-called "public charge" rule and ensure that immigrants are not discriminated against based on income or disability, while extending temporary protected status until more permanent resolutions are in place, invalidating Trump's efforts to end those designations.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/bernie-sanders-immigration-plan/index.html

bernie is good

otm

"i cringed at warren's tweet, but this is a very weird reason to favor one candidate over the other"

It's not a defining reason but the little things like that exchange are telling, while not at all enough in themselves.

bernie plan <3 <3

To get onside with people like Gates/entrepreneurs who have media access to bitch about things they don't like Warren is prepared let him have input in her tax plans?

you realise that the audience for this tweet was the voting public, and if she wanted to have a sekrit conspiracy meeting she could phone him

the audience for this tweet was the voting public

this is what makes it so worryingly dumb, but whatever, we'll prob be fine.

It's not a defining reason but the little things like that exchange are telling,

That her response was as sharp as a good Miranda Lambert lyric?

I think it's great that Bernie advocates for meaningful change in a direct and aggressive manner but I don't think that Warren being a less strident face of similar policies is bad either

and if you told me 10 years ago there would be 2 top Dem candidates running on platforms this left you'd have to pinch me

this is what makes it so worryingly dumb, but whatever, we'll prob be fine.

― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 November 2019 bookmarkflaglink

On twitter you get a lot of quiet part loud..

seven years ago

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Warren is choosing to position in this race herself as somewhat less radical than Bernie. That suits both of them just fine. It suits me, too. Both of them are much more progressive than any candidates I've seen in my lifetime who have a real chance at victory. The most recent progressive equivalent who polled well enough to worry the rich was Jesse Jackson, and Sanders + Warren combined are far ahead of Jackson's numbers.

i guess the britishes are right

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EI0A_kcXYAABzW2?format=jpg&name=large

Billionaires should not exist

Bernie has tweeted that before and tbh it would have sufficed as a response here.

Lmao this 19 year old girl on the phonebank just told me she likes bernie because “he’s the only one who isn’t a fake hoe”

— Local Ben (@BenMora) November 6, 2019

Not wrong.

it was kinda weirdly left out of yesterday's dumping on Warren for her Gates tweet that she was responding to Gates saying that she probably wouldn't be willing to talk to him.

And also she followed up that tweet by another one saying 'PS I'm a neoliberal shrill pretending to be a leftie, please don't tell anyone'

i actually think her response to Gates & Bloomberg were some of her stronger "moves" tbh

Thank you for your solidarity, you have always been my candidate for the US presidency and I hope democrats have the wisdom to nominate a candidate with your worldview. I hope American workers will make you US president. https://t.co/6qFf5DKQY5

— Lula (@LulaOficial) November 8, 2019

haha wait that "fuck around and find out" tweet is real?!

lol no but I wish

good tweet from bernie imo

Worst thing about Bernie are his supporters. As in 2016.

thing is, they have somewhat more of a point this time around; the fact that by most polls bernie sanders of all people is the second-most or even most electable democratic candidate (in terms of support, likelihood to beat trump, etc.) out of a field of very much more than two, should be far bigger news than it's being portrayed as

(I haven't really weighed in much because I go back and forth about whether I support sanders or warren more about once per day)

The fact that he would have beat Trump means they had a point then too 😎

He would have been Trump in 2016?

He was outpolling HRC against Trump from wire to wire

katherine weigh in more imo; uncertainty is the opposite of disqualifying

but if anything from a defeating-trump standpoint i think they had more of a point in 2016, when sanders' opponent for the nomination was literally the worst choice available for this purpose. that's not the case this time. still have a point tho yup.

that's not the case this time.

(thinking of warren here obv. biden and pete are still pretty bad lol)

ON THE OTHER HAND the "biden in first! nipping at his heels in third..." stuff we endured for much of the summer isn't how i remember bernie being covered before primaries actually started in 2016, when there was thought to be no danger in chuckling over an amusing hippie sideshow and opportunity to boast about how civilized our differences are here in the big tent; but this time he has been a real candidate from the beginning so we get this sweating, murderous silence

Not really, though, next to Kamala he has pretty clearly had the worst campaign compared to expectations? If anything, the silence has probably been beneficial.

Compare to how many 'Why is he doing so bad?' pieces that has been written about Biden while he is unfortunately still pretty comfortably in first.