Abolish the BBC Y/N

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The British RT, employer of Lawro (still? probably). Time to put it to bed?

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No 33
Yes 9


anvil, Monday, 11 February 2019 11:19 (five months ago) link

if you abolished them some of the worst riff-raff would still turn up like bad pennies on Murdoch tv. DPRK style liquidation by aircraft gun or nothing I say.

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 11:39 (five months ago) link

Some parts of the radio are not beyond redemption, but all the current affairs/consumer programs/moral maze type trash is poisonous noise.

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 11:47 (five months ago) link

I would prefer to (radically) reform it, but right now am sorry to say it's more a force for evil than good, so yes.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 12:01 (five months ago) link

No, though I fully realize it's easier for me to escape their evil side than it is for you. Lots wrong but I too would suggest radical reform instead of full scale abolishment. A post-BBC media landscape is more likely to be worse a dystopia than the current.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 February 2019 12:50 (five months ago) link

What's the matter with the BBC these days? Haven't been paying attention.

peace, man, Monday, 11 February 2019 12:55 (five months ago) link

lbi otm, the bbc needs an overhaul (as does the government's hold over their finances tbh) but we def need public-funded broadcasting and the bbc is still the best there is

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 12:58 (five months ago) link

if we’re doing this then quid pro quo abolish ilx

||||||||, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:01 (five months ago) link

steady on there, let's not do anything rash

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:02 (five months ago) link

State broadcasters are a bad idea imo, its become far too infected and rotten to be reformed and I want to see the back of it forever.

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:07 (five months ago) link

The main problem is that their news department has gone from being a mouthpiece for the establishment to a compromised mouthpiece for the worst people in the country, this is partially due to some of these worst people being in charge, but also it has been bullied with its own rules on impartiality and fairness to such an extent that any good journalists there seem to be scared to actually speak truth to power rather than perform a pantomime version of the same.

I wouldn't like it to be abolished and replaced by commercial media, I would like it to be abolished and replaced by something along the same lines, but better and more independent. Radical reform doesn't work as it seems that many of the people working there are part of the problem. The English establishment need to be cut out of it completely.

Not saying any of this is likely to happen.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:07 (five months ago) link

Also, from people I know who have worked there in some small capacity, they are even more infected with the "target audience" stuff than other stations

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:11 (five months ago) link

a state broadcaster and a public service broadcaster are not the same thing, tho, and the bbc is - at least in conception - the latter

the bbc trust could do with being overturned and/or massively expanded, with much stricter rules on who can be part of it, but the bbc has done so much good stuff that commercial broadcasters would have no interest in doing that i am v reluctant to throw the baby out with the bathwater

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:12 (five months ago) link

it isn't like they are even making quality gear like Tinker, Tailor .. any more though.

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:15 (five months ago) link

the BBC's radio output alone is worth the licence fee, even taken with all the problems mentioned above and elsewhere

Neil S, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:17 (five months ago) link

aye but we can all agree that the greatest dancer is amazing tho xp

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:17 (five months ago) link

got to admit R3/4/WS are pretty much my constant listening, when not music and there is still some quality on there.

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:18 (five months ago) link

neil s otm, i feel like most of britisher music-ilx wouldn't be here if it wisnae for the interest in music that bbc radio sparked and/or nurtured

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:19 (five months ago) link

calz are you talking yourself out of your own trenchant position here already

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:19 (five months ago) link

What is good on the radio right now? There is a fair bit I like, but the majority could be done much better, could go through station by station, but they all seem to be declining in terms of quality, except possibly R3. I have listened to R4 since I was a kid but have finally given up on it in the last 6 months.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:22 (five months ago) link

... erm In Our Time and erm.. much of the regular schedule is pure trash tbh. usually it is one-off series that stand out like The Ratline recently for example.

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:26 (five months ago) link

Couldn't get Match Of The Day on iPlayer around midnight last night. Game's gone Gary.

nashwan, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:28 (five months ago) link

margaret macmillan reith lectures was quality radio as well tbf

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:29 (five months ago) link

I listen to 6Music fairly often and I know it has its problems (too much whitebread indie, Shaun Keaveney, retirement home for aging punks etc. etc.) but it does still have a lot of good stuff: Freakzone, Gilles Peterson, Iggy Pop. They should deffo play more dance music, hip hop, reggae etc. but one of the issues is the segmentation of audiences thing, already alluded to above.

Neil S, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:30 (five months ago) link

Guess I still sometimes listen to In Our Time and Thinking Allowed, but in (awful) Sounds App rather than actual radio.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:30 (five months ago) link

xp and this is probably not the place to rehash these arguments anyway, sorry all

Neil S, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:31 (five months ago) link

I listen to 6 music in the morning now Lauren Laverne is there, so guess I like it? But the playlisting is still annoying, started turning it off because "not a bad track but I don't want to listen to it every day"

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:33 (five months ago) link

The US has no BBC and it's worked wonders for them.

pomenitul, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:34 (five months ago) link

Do you think it would an improvement on Fox if they had though?

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:35 (five months ago) link

Not in terms of sick entertainment, it wouldn't.

pomenitul, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:37 (five months ago) link

only one broadcaster brought us nearly a decade of noel's house party and i'll give you a clue it wasn't the one owned by rupert murdoch

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:38 (five months ago) link

I knew mr blobby would indirectly show up at some point on this thread!

calzino, Monday, 11 February 2019 13:42 (five months ago) link

surprised it took as long as it did tbh

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:44 (five months ago) link

It is mostly garbage these days, the current affairs/news side is a disgrace - just in terms of quality of output, without mentioning toadying to the Tories and right wing scumbags in general - I never listen to the radio since Humphrey Lyttleton died.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:46 (five months ago) link

t/s: paying the bbc £150.50 per year for mostly garbage but with some gems vs paying rupert murdoch at absolute minimum £264 for utter garbage

Calgary customer Elvis Cavalic (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:48 (five months ago) link

Sky News is miles better than BBC 24 fwiw.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:50 (five months ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/6rLHI.gif

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:52 (five months ago) link

fun fact from the v entertaining noel's house party wikipedia: the format was sold to belgium, germany, denmark, spain and the netherlands, each of whom produced their own version

any european ilxors care to weigh in with their recollections of those shows, and whether they justified the bbc licence fee?

a surprise challenge that ended with a gunging (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:58 (five months ago) link

More importantly, was there a Herr Blobbisch?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:59 (five months ago) link

Originality. Quality. Excellence.
Noel's. House. Party.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 13:59 (five months ago) link

This whole Panorama ‘leaked audio’ thing.. something major? Seems like pretty thin gruel so far. This R0b1nson tosser attempting to cover his tracks and distract people from what was obviously going to be a big expose. Wonder if the programme will still go ahead as scheduled.

piscesx, Monday, 11 February 2019 14:01 (five months ago) link

xp Never seen a Dutch version of Blobby, can't find any on youtube, and going off by who they say did a Dutch remake, I'm glad I never had to witness that.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:03 (five months ago) link

booooo

a surprise challenge that ended with a gunging (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:05 (five months ago) link

Can we get Frederik B. in here to clue us in on the Danish version?

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:08 (five months ago) link

paging stan m for the rundown on belgian blobby

a surprise challenge that ended with a gunging (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:09 (five months ago) link

Found the Danish one through a Danish blobby fan page! (no joke). It's @ 1.10 in this video:

http://tvtid.tv2.dk/2013-09-25-hvilket-program-er-tv-2s-mindst-savnede

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:11 (five months ago) link

a Danish blobby fan page!

truly the internet is a blessing and a curse

this is extraordinary footage tbh, it's incredible in every sense of the word to see blobby on the international stage

a surprise challenge that ended with a gunging (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:17 (five months ago) link

Some pedigrees are more recognisable than others. Just from the goats running round the studio, you can tell that Germany's Hamster TV is a Teutonic Pets Win Prizes. And Mr Blobby's presence betrays the origins of Denmark's Greven pa Hittegodset. But you'd need Belgian assistance to work out that Raar Maar Waar, a lively looking show performed in a plaster replica of a classical ruin, was the spawn of That's Life.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/game-on-the-broader-picture-1252893.html

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:17 (five months ago) link

Beth Rigby & Faisal Islam on sky politics are far better than the muck the BBC churns out.

my drug of choice is @BethRigby interrupting Boris Johnson to read him Donald Tusk’s statement & then telling him to his face that he is deluded pic.twitter.com/ZUOiyF8jwr

— Hannah Jane Parkinson (@ladyhaja) January 29, 2019


With the exception of Eddie Mair, has the beeb ever taken Bojo to task like this?

gyac, Monday, 11 February 2019 14:22 (five months ago) link

Sky News is so superior to the BBC its scary. They do allow wankers from spiked on to review the papers though. But still not as infuriating as the amount of absolute cunts the BBC allow on Question Time though. Last week was a joke yet again.

I'd happily just get rid of the BBC news output and concentrate on making good telly.

Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:42 (five months ago) link

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Stephen Yakkety-Yaxley-Rosbif (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 17:39 (five months ago) link

An academic on twitter refused to take part in R4s Moral Maze and:

In case you haven't been following: @PriyamvadaGopal published an email she had sent to the producer of The Moral Maze on BBC Radio 4, saying she wasn't happy to appear with a "known racist"; she didn't name names. The producer, in response, made it clear who the racist is. pic.twitter.com/nycAbRS07p

— Robert Hanks (@RobertHanks) February 13, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:12 (five months ago) link

R4 sounds pretty awful most of the time (although a few ppl were vouching for its drama but Radio drama is really not my thing)

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:14 (five months ago) link

Gogol's Dead Souls adaptation with Micheal Palin not tempt you sir!?

calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:28 (five months ago) link

haha nah I'm cool tx

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 18:32 (five months ago) link

was watching an old 70's BBC series Alistair Cooke's America a couple of years back and was enjoying it + thinking: it sure helps when the writer/presenter puts some trust in the audience, rather than glassy faced mediocrities like Dan Snow condescending to them like they are all thick as pigshit, or just disseminating ultra dullsville conservative takes on history for ageing Mail readers.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:08 (five months ago) link

Dan Snow condescending to them like they are all thick as pigshit Dan Snow.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:19 (five months ago) link

the half interesting ones, like Bartlett the medieval specialist for example. Get about 1 series a decade, to piss poor generalists like Dan Snow's half dozen.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:40 (five months ago) link

I hate the oh it was better in the olden days but there really is some amazing BBC documentaries , particularly the ARENA ones, that I have watched on youtube and I recently discovered some 70s and 80s interviews by Brtan Magee where its just him and his guest chatting on a couch discussing philosophers.
Such a great premise and I cant imagine the BBC running with it now.

Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:55 (five months ago) link

I think I remember those shows from when they were broadcast.

Stephen Yakkety-Yaxley-Rosbif (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:58 (five months ago) link

OH GOD HERE COMES ANDREW MARR SAVE ME PBS AMERICA

Stephen Yakkety-Yaxley-Rosbif (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:59 (five months ago) link

I've got a persistently annoying rash on my arse that I call Andrew Marr. But tbh it goes a lot deeper than that - I would seriously celebrate his death when it comes tbh. I know that probably sounds deeply unpleasant to outsiders and maybe other UK ppl, but this is what the BBC has done to me. That same peado-golem who got caught whispering "that was good" to Penny Mordaunt and also unwittingly showed his bullying game when he lost his shit under mild duress from Shami Chakrabarti is deffo one of the biggest BBC politico cunts next to Nick Robinson.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:40 (five months ago) link

I think asking Gordon Brown whether he was on anti-depressants was about as low as I've ever seen an interviewer stoop.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:47 (five months ago) link

that outside no 10 broadcast he did stanning for Blair/Iraq as well.. what a snivelling piece of shit !

calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:55 (five months ago) link

Browsing radio 4. Do I want to listen to this or shoot off my toes and bathe the stumps in acid? pic.twitter.com/NNuqCu0bme

— Louie Stowell (@Louiestowell) February 13, 2019

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:17 (five months ago) link

that program is like being the beef that j petersen eats, but being completely sentient and aware while he digests you and shits you out.

calzino, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:22 (five months ago) link

I caught a bit of the moral maze when they were complaining that Hans Christian Anderson had written all the fairy tales and yet Disney kept adding non-white princesses. It was odd.

koogs, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:48 (five months ago) link

wtf, what's that about?

Frederik B, Thursday, 14 February 2019 00:04 (five months ago) link

i agree with a lot of the criticisms here.

what are people's specific beefs with Sounds? you can think of me as the glenn macdonald of Sounds.. i can tell you what i know and find out if i don't know.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 February 2019 09:57 (five months ago) link

My technical beef with Sounds is that when I was trying to play The Ratline series it wouldn't play the episodes in sequential order, and when each 20 min ep finished I had to manually load the next ep. I can't remember if I had that problem before the revamp. i'm sure it didn't used to be in shuffle mode.

calzino, Thursday, 14 February 2019 10:32 (five months ago) link

I don't get the point of Sounds. They have this huge archive of audio and it makes both recent radio and archive programmes much harder to find somehow. The search function is terrible and the front page is stacked with stuff nobody wants. It looks nicer but does a worse job than the radio iplayer app did.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 14 February 2019 10:36 (five months ago) link

yes, good point. the search function is completely dysfunctional.

calzino, Thursday, 14 February 2019 10:38 (five months ago) link

like if you type the EXACT name of the program you are looking it returns all sorts of other unrelated shit that isn't helpful at all.

calzino, Thursday, 14 February 2019 10:40 (five months ago) link

Beefs with sounds:

No descriptions of shows

No original broadcast dates on shows - I was recently listing to a good doco about northern soul in japan which talked about the Wigan casino opening 40 years ago this year; its a good job I know a bit of northern souls history so know that 1979 is too late but the original TX date is 2013 and is necessary for placing the narrative in context.

I want to know which station shows were comissioned for - a 3 drama sounds different from a 4 one, and a world service doco is different from a 4 one.

Searching/browsing is terrible. I want to be able to filter by network - witness is a good strand but it dominates the documentaries category

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 14 February 2019 10:45 (five months ago) link

Ok, two of those things seem to have been fixed since I last used sounds.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 14 February 2019 10:45 (five months ago) link

when I was trying to play The Ratline series it wouldn't play the episodes in sequential order

this works on web, but not in the app. they are working on a fix.

The search function is terrible

yes :( this is in the hands of "the search team" in salford. the most important thing it to match the first few words of the title exactly. there are improvements coming to this but i have no idea when.

the front page is stacked with stuff nobody wants

the manual curation is geared towards under-35s. ;) but the front page is also filled with: algorithmic recommendations and "continue listening" which should be pretty specific to the sorts of things you listen to. the algorithm at the moment is fairly blunt - there is a lot of work being done to make this better. another big difference coming up is "segmentation" - where Sounds can serve up different curations to different audiences. currently everyone sees the same manual curations (similar to iPlayer). but fairly soon you will get a different mix of stuff on the front page if you're, say 60, than if you're 25. it can be tricky to get this stuff right because you don't want to immediately get served up The Archers and Gardener's Question Time the day you turn 35.

No descriptions of shows

No original broadcast dates on shows

Ed if i find Shine Like Tokyo (the doc you mention) in the app it has a full description. at the bottom of that description it says "first broadcast in 2013". it is true that the latter depends on the producer being wise enough to include that in the description - it's not a field that automatically gets pulled in in a structured way (though it does on web). others have complained about this too. i'll see what the plans are on that.

Searching/browsing is terrible. I want to be able to filter by network - witness is a good strand but it dominates the documentaries category

weirdly (to me) the categories at the bottom are more popular than the lovingly curated collections above them. even though they're just a bone-simple reverse chronological firehose of stuff that's been tagged with a particular genre. it's weird. so there are plans afoot to make those categories better.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:02 (five months ago) link

one thing that bugs the shit out of me is that upcoming episodes, that have not been broadcast yet, don't show you their descriptions - it's greyed out.

the people who designed it started from the principle that only playable audio should be accessible. if something wasn't playable it just wouldn't show up. including future episodes. at launch there weren't even schedules. they have backtracked on that a little but you can still see that principle at work.

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:05 (five months ago) link

I think I remember those shows from when they were broadcast.

― Stephen Yakkety-Yaxley-Rosbif (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 20:58

the 80s one I assume and not the 70s?

Mark S (who also inspired my Oor Neechy d/n) told me that he had the book with the transcriptions of the series. So I got one cheap on ebay.

btw did you know Bryan Magee was still alive?

Friedrich B. Neechy (Oor Neechy), Thursday, 14 February 2019 14:15 (five months ago) link

All part of the pathological obsession with being 'fair and balanced'.

large bananas pregnant (ledge), Friday, 15 February 2019 09:24 (five months ago) link

NHS comeback was measured and otm but could have done with more spittle-flecked invective about what gormless fuck decided that free access to legal abortions is the "controversial" side of this "argument"

seriously hope somebody loses their job over this

Stephen Yakkety-Yaxley-Rosbif (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 February 2019 09:27 (five months ago) link

His little setpiece speech about Churchill at the start of last night's show was nauseating - he's such a boilerplate West of Scotland Unionist Orange cunt.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Friday, 15 February 2019 13:42 (five months ago) link

... and Andrew Neil's almost as bad.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Friday, 15 February 2019 13:42 (five months ago) link

I would keep the show but just change everything about it.

nashwan, Friday, 15 February 2019 13:46 (five months ago) link

whoever thought it would be a good idea to inject some humour into the show, with the comedic talents of portillo/postman twat really deserve a good shoeing.

calzino, Friday, 15 February 2019 13:46 (five months ago) link

Can someone turn that pic of Boaby into an animated gif where he's nodding and giving a thumbs up?

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, 15 February 2019 13:47 (five months ago) link

(xp) That would be Andrew Neil.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Friday, 15 February 2019 13:48 (five months ago) link

is Fraser Nelson going to be his replacement? the BBC fucking loves him.

calzino, Friday, 15 February 2019 13:53 (five months ago) link

Wallcome taw this weeg's odition of Thus Weeg, I'm Freezer Nolson.

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Friday, 15 February 2019 13:58 (five months ago) link

Isn't he that shit comedian?

CDU next Tuesday (Noodle Vague), Friday, 15 February 2019 14:08 (five months ago) link

he is about as funny as most comedians with the added bonus of having a mystery daft accent that is NOT scottish, not fucking anything tbf!

calzino, Friday, 15 February 2019 14:14 (five months ago) link

Oti Mabuse, Gillian Smart, Mishal Husain, Kawser Quamer and Alina Jenkins are the only reasons I wouldn't say television should be abolished altogether.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 15 February 2019 17:28 (five months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 17 February 2019 00:01 (five months ago) link

All Britain tensely awaits the verdict.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 February 2019 00:22 (five months ago) link

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 18 February 2019 00:01 (five months ago) link

Cheers break out in certain pubs in W1.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 February 2019 02:08 (five months ago) link

one month passes...

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— Peter Hampson (@IvansMeads) March 31, 2019

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 April 2019 13:27 (three months ago) link

Mentioning Orwell automatically means I'm sceptical of that post but there might be interesting bits of detail that explain, and it does name names.

xyzzzz__, Monday, 1 April 2019 13:28 (three months ago) link


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