What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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ok, enough is enough. she gets a thread.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:20 (six months ago) link

haha nice callback title

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (six months ago) link

cool now we have four US politics threads

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (six months ago) link

She's fairly disrespectful to our president, for a start.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

she's so awesome she makes everyone else look bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

excellent title

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

if people don't want to use it, they won't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (six months ago) link

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (six months ago) link

sharp knees

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (six months ago) link

american

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If she's able to maintain her political stance (and especially if she winds up being an effective legislator) I would be very comfortable casting a prez vote for her once she's eligible to run.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:25 (six months ago) link

i think she's wonderful. one thing i especially like about her is that she seems adept at forming a posse of like-minded legislators. she's good at sharing her political fame and recognition and using it to boost others.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (six months ago) link

in before someone suggests she's nominated for president
xp fuck just missed it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (six months ago) link

name has 5-4-2 syllable pattern: last name should have three syllables

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (six months ago) link

left-handed, so she's pretty much limited to 1B or the outfield

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (six months ago) link

Alexandria / Ocasio-Cortez is / a living haiku.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (six months ago) link

the main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

buuuuut, the great thing about AOC is that i would have more confidence in her than just about anyone else to bounce back quickly from a hypothetic major twitter fuckup. as our wise president says "we'll see what happens"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:29 (six months ago) link

Left-handed? Excellent.

suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:38 (six months ago) link

yeah i was going to say how bad can she really fuck up on twitter that will make what these assholes say about here matter to anyone but them?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (six months ago) link

about her*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (six months ago) link

She cares too much

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:40 (six months ago) link

her ability to get the right to constantly self-own without even doing anything is incredible. at first I thought the "they're terrified of her" thing was overblown but they clearly are. not just because she's so far left but also because I don't think she's willing to "play ball" the way people like Schumer and Obama were. plus the fact that she's young and massively popular will only encourage more like her to come out of the woodwork which could shape US politics for decades to come. she's only been in office for a month but she already feels like an icon.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:44 (six months ago) link

God, does this woman have a gazillions tons of hope resting on her shoulders or what?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (six months ago) link

I look forward to many years of right-wing sputtering about the outrageous policy positions of this lefty commie socialist who okay is very attractive but that's not the point because she's going to destroy this country perhaps even with her smoldering good looks.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (six months ago) link

I think the biggest thing she can achieve, especially in the near term, is to inspire more like minded young politicians to run.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (six months ago) link

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (six months ago) link

she came out too fully formed as an awesome politician and therefore must actually be either an alien or a veteran operative in disguise

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (six months ago) link

fwiw I maintain muted expectations about what she can actually achieve in the system but so far she has exceeded them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (six months ago) link

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (six months ago) link

she's already exceeded expectations. no one was talking about a Green New Deal or a 70% top rate before she came along.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:52 (six months ago) link

imo her strength so far has been to say exactly enough, or to respond with tongue-in-cheek fact checks about her stances without jumping into clusterfucks

having someone with actual policy stances without a political or even social past deep enough to sabotage dialogue in favor of ad hominem attacks is a net positive. media and public commentary almost demands a personality or face to link policy to, because policy is abstract and complicated and presenting an individual makes the job easier. if she's that person, have at it

it's a refreshing change from the right-wing version in the tea party goons, who had notional policy ideas and were 90% horrible personality and demagoguery

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (six months ago) link

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:51 PM (forty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of bullshitty. She voted for the bill to reopen govt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (six months ago) link

btw it does pain me to bring up the "Trump of the left" thing but it does occur to me that she's *actually* good at all the political stuff that people thought Trump was good at

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (six months ago) link

xp

This was not a catch-all bill to reopen the federal government, which has been shut down for weeks while Trump refuses to sign a budget until he gets funding for a border wall. That was a different vote. No, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi scheduled an entirely separate vote solely on funding the Department of Homeland Security.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (six months ago) link

Alfred's post reminds me of an article about perpetual ratfucker Gingrich, who was wildly successful at his goals until the day he wasn't

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:55 (six months ago) link

iirc she has changed her tack on how she votes for bills like that one. she recently was the sole dem holdout on another funding bill I believe?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (six months ago) link

yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (six months ago) link

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (six months ago) link

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (six months ago) link

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (six months ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (six months ago) link

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (six months ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (six months ago) link

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (six months ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (six months ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (six months ago) link

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (six months ago) link

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (six months ago) link

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (six months ago) link

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (six months ago) link

Panera moms!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:46 (one month ago) link

I hate to invoke it, but as long as the “O window” only moves right (aided and abetted by the Dem leadership), it’s going to this or worse forever.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:51 (one month ago) link

to be*

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:51 (one month ago) link

I read that as Pantera moms.

Garbo Pond (Leee), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:53 (one month ago) link

lol yes what about the Pantera moms? sure, maybe their exes are mostly alt-right now. but they probably want universal healthcare, living wages and affordable childcare

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 22:56 (one month ago) link

^^Gun control too, because Dimebag...

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:00 (one month ago) link

I keep having to look up "Overton window." Is this really a thing people say in conversation? It sounds like early 20th century interior design.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:02 (one month ago) link

It is probably spoken aloud and earnestly in hundreds of dorm rooms across the nation every week.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:03 (one month ago) link

xp it is this side of the Atlantic! I read/hear that several times a week.

gyac, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:06 (one month ago) link

idk maybe having a “foil” on the left helps w the caucus (but really?), but if she thinks it’s going to make her party the “sensible moderate alternative” for white Panera moms or even the mainstream media,

these are not the same thing! maintaining control of the caucus means her ability to corral votes, and from her POV as the Speaker anything that helps her achieve this end is valuable. How it plays outside the chamber is not relevant/doesn't enter the calculus.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:09 (one month ago) link

lads

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:25 (one month ago) link

Pelosi's primary job is to maintain control of the House, now and in the near future. She has little influence on Senate or presidential elections. She will cater more to members who have successfully held seats for a long time than to new members who have only won one or two elections. She will cater more to members who align with the preponderance of the caucus than those whose support is weak or equivocal. That's the system.

AOC and her cohort have to sow the seeds of their own success by bringing the caucus along to their positions. That's going to take time. Their best argument is to become acknowledged leaders regarding issues popular with voters, not just in their districts, but in the nation at large. They are already launched in that direction. We need to support them vocally to lend them the power they will need to change things.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:28 (one month ago) link

for someone so talented there *must* be a better way to corral votes/ maintain your caucus than shitting on popular politicians from your party in the press?

unless your intended audience is actually pharma execs.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:31 (one month ago) link

Her mistake was to go public; this was thoughtless. Otherwise Aimless and Shakey otm.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:36 (one month ago) link

Her irritation is probably an indication of their challenging her more directly and persistently than she is used to. Their sense of independence and purpose is a problem for her, in that it makes her work harder corralling the fence-sitters who lean left and are getting worked on by the new guard from the other direction than Pelosi is fronting.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:43 (one month ago) link

They know social media and she doesn't; it's gonna be a generational problem. I want AOC and the other freshman to keep pressing her.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:44 (one month ago) link

she probably said 900,000 words in that interview about her process before she accurately said "they've four votes" in the context of talking about her process, and may or may not regret the latter being the sole pullquote.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:45 (one month ago) link

xpost: I want AOC and the other freshman to keep pressing her.

yes, she is openly stating that her role is to represent the votes of her party's House representatives. if those votes change, she will not suddenly stop representing them.

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Tuesday, 9 July 2019 23:47 (one month ago) link

well, yeah

DHS & ICE are flagrantly violating Congressional orders, just as we said they would.

Yet it was @IlhanMN, @AyannaPressley, @RashidaTlaib & I that were wrong to oppose throwing more money to abusive agencies, right? ⬇️ https://t.co/JExRxD1XDS

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) July 10, 2019

A comical 'blobbumentary' programme (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 08:15 (one month ago) link

The Remnick interview.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 July 2019 23:39 (one month ago) link

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-gop-challenger-scherie-murray-172333854.html

“She isn’t worried about us — she’s worried about being famous,” Murray wrote when announcing her campaign on Twitter on July 17. “She thinks public service is not about serving the public, but herself. If you think you deserve better, then you’re just like me.”

Um, you know who the President is, right?

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:53 (one month ago) link

I keep having to look up "Overton window." Is this really a thing people say in conversation? It sounds like early 20th century interior design.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 9, 2019 6:02 PM (one week ago) bookmarkflaglink

one of those terms like cuckold that i saw maybe 5 times my whole life and will now see every day for the rest of it

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 18 July 2019 17:56 (one month ago) link

the overton window has shifted on the term "overton window"

Simon H., Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:05 (one month ago) link

We're through the Overton Window here people

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:07 (one month ago) link

defenestrated, even

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:08 (one month ago) link

feel like I've been seeing that term in online political discussions forever

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:08 (one month ago) link

yeah, the Glenn Beck novel came out in 2010 and him and O'Reilly (iirc) had been using it for a while

rob, Thursday, 18 July 2019 18:14 (one month ago) link

two weeks pass...

As the @dick_nixon Twitter account would say, this is a hell of a thing.

‘I don’t want to hear the question ‘is this president racist?’ anymore. He is.’ — @AOC held nothing back while condemning Trump for using the language of white supremacy pic.twitter.com/3rWCkdYq6n

— NowThis (@nowthisnews) August 6, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 00:33 (two weeks ago) link

Amazing.

DJI, Wednesday, 7 August 2019 01:16 (two weeks ago) link

rob at 1:14 18 Jul 19

yeah, the Glenn Beck novel came out in 2010 and him and O'Reilly (iirc) had been using it for a while

yeah those are two ppl I avoid like the plague so

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 7 August 2019 02:18 (two weeks ago) link

Saw this at the comic book store today:

https://i.imgur.com/gW32Z9N.jpg

DJI, Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:11 (one week ago) link

any publisher who does variant covers should be jailed, but What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:28 (one week ago) link

I’ve got that comic
And the Bernie one too

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:42 (one week ago) link

what do they do in them

flappy bird, Saturday, 10 August 2019 22:48 (one week ago) link

Whatever it is, Archie's worried.

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 10 August 2019 23:18 (one week ago) link

seize the means of production, one hopes xp

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 00:04 (one week ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/rFTgSKt.png

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 11 August 2019 19:59 (one week ago) link

oh god

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:06 (one week ago) link

tremble at the power, bro

Carisis LaVerted (m bison), Sunday, 11 August 2019 20:31 (one week ago) link

Wow

flappy bird, Sunday, 11 August 2019 22:07 (one week ago) link

batshit leftwing comics 2k19

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 11 August 2019 23:33 (one week ago) link

Devils Due are left wing now???!?

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:00 (one week ago) link

still not as bad as that one shot in endgame

phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Monday, 12 August 2019 01:05 (one week ago) link

I just assumed it was from the AOC comic upthread

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 12 August 2019 02:54 (one week ago) link

Snaps her fingers for universal max diversity

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 12 August 2019 03:05 (one week ago) link

I just assumed it was from the AOC comic upthread

the logo is right on the cover

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 12 August 2019 09:49 (one week ago) link

all the gems on the inclusivity gauntlet are all the same colour, smdh

more like the white genocide gauntlet amirite

Criss Angel Raw: The Mindfreak Unplugged (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 12 August 2019 10:58 (one week ago) link

the gauntlet image is from a different book entirely; believe it or not, there was briefly enough AOC interest to spur not only left-wing hagiographic power fantasies but also right-wing talking-point parody as well.
https://www.devilsdue.net/
https://babylonbee.com/news/an-exclusive-look-at-the-new-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-comic-book
not seeing any evidence that "Golden Gulag" books actually published this thing though.

here's another winner from the former publisher:
http://i.imgur.com/skkjIFo.png

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 12 August 2019 14:46 (one week ago) link

Isn't Babylonbee a conservative version of Onion/Hard Times satire clickbait stuff?

frustration and wonky passion (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 12 August 2019 15:10 (one week ago) link

A quick google around suggests yes and that i have been fooled. Not that the actual comics are that much more unlikely!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 12 August 2019 15:19 (one week ago) link


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