What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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ok, enough is enough. she gets a thread.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:20 (one year ago) link

haha nice callback title

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (one year ago) link

cool now we have four US politics threads

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (one year ago) link

She's fairly disrespectful to our president, for a start.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one year ago) link

she's so awesome she makes everyone else look bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one year ago) link

excellent title

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one year ago) link

if people don't want to use it, they won't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one year ago) link

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (one year ago) link

sharp knees

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (one year ago) link

american

||||||||, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:24 (one year ago) link

If she's able to maintain her political stance (and especially if she winds up being an effective legislator) I would be very comfortable casting a prez vote for her once she's eligible to run.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:25 (one year ago) link

i think she's wonderful. one thing i especially like about her is that she seems adept at forming a posse of like-minded legislators. she's good at sharing her political fame and recognition and using it to boost others.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (one year ago) link

in before someone suggests she's nominated for president
xp fuck just missed it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (one year ago) link

name has 5-4-2 syllable pattern: last name should have three syllables

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (one year ago) link

left-handed, so she's pretty much limited to 1B or the outfield

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (one year ago) link

Alexandria / Ocasio-Cortez is / a living haiku.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (one year ago) link

the main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

buuuuut, the great thing about AOC is that i would have more confidence in her than just about anyone else to bounce back quickly from a hypothetic major twitter fuckup. as our wise president says "we'll see what happens"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:29 (one year ago) link

Left-handed? Excellent.

suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:38 (one year ago) link

yeah i was going to say how bad can she really fuck up on twitter that will make what these assholes say about here matter to anyone but them?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (one year ago) link

about her*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (one year ago) link

She cares too much

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:40 (one year ago) link

her ability to get the right to constantly self-own without even doing anything is incredible. at first I thought the "they're terrified of her" thing was overblown but they clearly are. not just because she's so far left but also because I don't think she's willing to "play ball" the way people like Schumer and Obama were. plus the fact that she's young and massively popular will only encourage more like her to come out of the woodwork which could shape US politics for decades to come. she's only been in office for a month but she already feels like an icon.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:44 (one year ago) link

God, does this woman have a gazillions tons of hope resting on her shoulders or what?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (one year ago) link

I look forward to many years of right-wing sputtering about the outrageous policy positions of this lefty commie socialist who okay is very attractive but that's not the point because she's going to destroy this country perhaps even with her smoldering good looks.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (one year ago) link

I think the biggest thing she can achieve, especially in the near term, is to inspire more like minded young politicians to run.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (one year ago) link

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (one year ago) link

she came out too fully formed as an awesome politician and therefore must actually be either an alien or a veteran operative in disguise

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (one year ago) link

fwiw I maintain muted expectations about what she can actually achieve in the system but so far she has exceeded them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (one year ago) link

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (one year ago) link

she's already exceeded expectations. no one was talking about a Green New Deal or a 70% top rate before she came along.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:52 (one year ago) link

imo her strength so far has been to say exactly enough, or to respond with tongue-in-cheek fact checks about her stances without jumping into clusterfucks

having someone with actual policy stances without a political or even social past deep enough to sabotage dialogue in favor of ad hominem attacks is a net positive. media and public commentary almost demands a personality or face to link policy to, because policy is abstract and complicated and presenting an individual makes the job easier. if she's that person, have at it

it's a refreshing change from the right-wing version in the tea party goons, who had notional policy ideas and were 90% horrible personality and demagoguery

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (one year ago) link

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:51 PM (forty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of bullshitty. She voted for the bill to reopen govt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (one year ago) link

btw it does pain me to bring up the "Trump of the left" thing but it does occur to me that she's *actually* good at all the political stuff that people thought Trump was good at

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (one year ago) link

xp

This was not a catch-all bill to reopen the federal government, which has been shut down for weeks while Trump refuses to sign a budget until he gets funding for a border wall. That was a different vote. No, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi scheduled an entirely separate vote solely on funding the Department of Homeland Security.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (one year ago) link

Alfred's post reminds me of an article about perpetual ratfucker Gingrich, who was wildly successful at his goals until the day he wasn't

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:55 (one year ago) link

iirc she has changed her tack on how she votes for bills like that one. she recently was the sole dem holdout on another funding bill I believe?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (one year ago) link

yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (one year ago) link

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (one year ago) link

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (one year ago) link

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (one year ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (one year ago) link

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (one year ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (one year ago) link

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (one year ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (one year ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (one year ago) link

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (one year ago) link

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (one year ago) link

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (one year ago) link

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (one year ago) link

her flaws? doesn't respond when I ask how things are going in twitch chat... the nerve!

Evan, Saturday, 28 November 2020 01:47 (one month ago) link

She's currently explaining League of Legends to Jagmeet Singh.

umarell of the year (jmm), Saturday, 28 November 2020 02:52 (one month ago) link

A Confederacy of Dunces https://t.co/zv1bJmKrZD

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) December 12, 2020

but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:46 (one month ago) link

Allen Fuckin' West

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:50 (one month ago) link

When I want an expert opinion on constitutional law I always seek out the chair of the Texas Republican Party, because who could be better informed? Certainly not all nine justices of the US Supreme Court!

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Saturday, 12 December 2020 01:55 (one month ago) link

somehow I got a campaign text message from “Lt. Col Allen West” during the run up to the election (srsly, how??) and if my response didn’t put me on a watchlist then the FBI is slippin

i am become boomer, destroyer of entitlements (will), Saturday, 12 December 2020 03:20 (one month ago) link

“I do think that we need new leadership in the Democratic Party … the internal dynamics of the House has made it such that there's very little option for succession,” said Ocasio-Cortez, who is 31. “It's easy for someone to say, ‘Oh well, you know, why don't you run?’ but the House is extraordinarily complex, and I'm not ready. It can't be me. I know that I couldn't do that job."

“Even conservative members of the party who think Nancy Pelosi is far too liberal for them don't necessarily have any viable alternatives, which is why whenever there's a challenge, it kind of collapses,” she continued. “And that is, I think, the result of just many years of power being concentrated in leadership with lack of … real grooming of a next generation of leadership

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 18:20 (one month ago) link

Asked directly if Pelosi and Schumer “need to go,” Ocasio-Cortez replied: “I mean, I think so.”

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 18:21 (one month ago) link

*I* think so
OR
I *think* so

loose Orwellian mobs (rob), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 18:23 (one month ago) link

Maybe it’s “i think, so...” and the author didnt continue with the quote

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 18:24 (one month ago) link

I do not know to what degree, if any, Pelosi made a conscious choice not to put other House Democrats in a strong position to challenge or replace her, but it is one of the tactics that naturally emerges among leadership groups. AOC is right that the position of Speaker is enormously complex and difficult and some period of apprenticeship is required to approach something like adequacy in that job. No one is likely to replace Pelosi that she hasn't already vetted and brought into a leadership role.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Wednesday, 16 December 2020 19:15 (one month ago) link

https://prospect.org/api/amp/politics/establishment-strikes-back-aoc-versus-centrist-democrats/

But at least evil Trump is gone

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 December 2020 18:34 (one month ago) link

Progressives' loyalty to Biden will ensure them a "seat at the table" IIRC.

onlyfans.com/hunterb (milo z), Friday, 18 December 2020 18:39 (one month ago) link

Disappointing.

jaymc, Friday, 18 December 2020 18:42 (one month ago) link

If Biden has sense, he'll recall the old political wisdom that it's better to have the progressives "inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in". Based on the distribution of opinion on ilx, I'm pretty sure there are some who will prefer to remain outside pissing in, regardless.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Friday, 18 December 2020 18:48 (one month ago) link

you know Biden, he hates old political wisdom

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:15 (one month ago) link

can't wait for him to invite ilx to piss on his tent

Wayne Grotski (symsymsym), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:17 (one month ago) link

He should do an AMA here.

pomenitul, Friday, 18 December 2020 19:17 (one month ago) link

He'd get a 7-day FP ban within 15 minutes.

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:27 (one month ago) link

https://prospect.org/api/amp/politics/establishment-strikes-back-aoc-versus-centrist-democrats🕸/

But at least evil Trump is gone


It's a first step. Now we fight the centrists in our way.

Yes Virginia, there really is a (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:27 (one month ago) link

If Biden has sense, he'll recall the old political wisdom that it's better to have the progressives "inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in". Based on the distribution of opinion on ilx, I'm pretty sure there are some who will prefer to remain outside pissing in, regardless.

― Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Friday, 18 December 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Old timey political wisdom.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 18 December 2020 19:38 (one month ago) link

lol:

This link is broken...just like the neoliberal order

We are still hoping this has an easy fix.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:39 (one month ago) link

Old-timey, as befits an old geezer.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:39 (one month ago) link

Many of the representatives who came out most forcefully against Ocasio-Cortez have close ties to oil and gas, especially Cuellar. But perhaps more important was Cuellar’s personal opposition to AOC, as evidenced by his statement. Ocasio-Cortez backed Cuellar’s primary challenger, 27-year-old progressive Jessica Cisneros, in March’s primary. Cuellar won narrowly, with backing from the Koch political network and some last-minute campaigning from Speaker Pelosi herself, despite the fact that Cuellar regularly votes against the Democratic caucus and has routinely fundraised for Republicans.

Gotta keep room inside the tent for this guy pissing all over the sleeping bags and food.

huge rant (sic), Friday, 18 December 2020 19:43 (one month ago) link

“This link is broken...just like the neoliberal order

We are still hoping this has an easy fix.”

They updated the article to remove the implication that progressive Congresswoman Degette wrote a pro fracking book when instead it was a congressional report that emphasized its dangers.

“Big” Don Abernathy, Friday, 18 December 2020 20:05 (one month ago) link

stupid shit this party does rarely actually upsets me but actively, materially preventing this woman from gaining influence is so fucking infuriating

k3vin k., Friday, 18 December 2020 20:05 (one month ago) link

I really want the progressive caucus to start pissing on Pelosi, it’s overdue

is right unfortunately (silby), Friday, 18 December 2020 20:07 (one month ago) link

It's almost as if the centrist and center-right democrats noticed what happened to centrist and center-right republicans when the hard right started to primary them out of existence and they see AOC as the first harbinger of a similar dynamic in the Democratic Party that will eventually kick them out of their cushy jobs. For reps like that, AOC is not a smart, talented, likeable woman who can take the party to new popularity and the nation to a better more equable future, but America's Most Dangerous Woman who'll take away their perks and paychecks.

Respectfully Yours, (Aimless), Friday, 18 December 2020 20:15 (one month ago) link

god willing.

DJI, Friday, 18 December 2020 21:32 (one month ago) link

Who?

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 18 December 2020 23:40 (one month ago) link

MIKE JONES

huge rant (sic), Friday, 18 December 2020 23:46 (one month ago) link

JASON DERULO

Lover of Nixon (or LON for short) (Neanderthal), Saturday, 19 December 2020 01:15 (one month ago) link

three weeks pass...

The least surprising news so far is that one of them stole AOC's shoes.

— Radley Balko (@radleybalko) January 11, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:24 (one week ago) link

Pretty sure a fake tweet is what started this.

pomenitul, Monday, 11 January 2021 17:26 (one week ago) link

ben give back AOC’s shoes

— Faine Greenwood (@faineg) January 11, 2021

٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:27 (one week ago) link

unfortunately this is just what happens when you're online enough

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:38 (one week ago) link

First occurrence of this joke as far as I can tell:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ToiletPaperUSA/comments/kuccfo/aoc_lets_us_in_on_one_of_the_more_bizarre_crimes/

pomenitul, Monday, 11 January 2021 17:41 (one week ago) link

Someone is walking a mile in them as we speak.

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:51 (one week ago) link

is it ben shapiro? i keep hearing rumors

Karl Malone, Monday, 11 January 2021 17:52 (one week ago) link

Where are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flats?

Eggbreak Hotel (Tom D.), Monday, 11 January 2021 17:53 (one week ago) link

worth your time

https://www.instagram.com/p/CJ-OkgNAO1N/

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:00 (one week ago) link

62 minutes of my time?

Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:06 (one week ago) link

of any politician i can think of, she probably is

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:10 (one week ago) link

i said through gritted teeth bc i reflexively hate all politicians

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:10 (one week ago) link

62 minutes of my time?

I'm only halfway through at the moment but imo: yes

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:12 (one week ago) link

I'd prefer to hear 20 different podcasts excerpt and analyze it for me

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:18 (one week ago) link

if it helps she wraps up her "rant" (her term) at 40mins and starts taking questions

stylish but illegal (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 January 2021 16:26 (one week ago) link

There goes my presidetn:

Thank you to @AOC for showing up at the #HuntsPointStrike to show us that solidarity is a verb. @nycDSA will be there until @TeamstersJC16 Local 202 wins their demand for a fair wage! pic.twitter.com/D8H1duqP86

— Honda Wang 🌹 (@HondaWang) January 21, 2021

Fetchboy, Thursday, 21 January 2021 03:40 (eight hours ago) link


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