What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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ok, enough is enough. she gets a thread.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:20 (two years ago) link

haha nice callback title

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (two years ago) link

cool now we have four US politics threads

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (two years ago) link

She's fairly disrespectful to our president, for a start.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two years ago) link

she's so awesome she makes everyone else look bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two years ago) link

excellent title

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two years ago) link

if people don't want to use it, they won't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two years ago) link

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (two years ago) link

sharp knees

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (two years ago) link

american

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If she's able to maintain her political stance (and especially if she winds up being an effective legislator) I would be very comfortable casting a prez vote for her once she's eligible to run.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:25 (two years ago) link

i think she's wonderful. one thing i especially like about her is that she seems adept at forming a posse of like-minded legislators. she's good at sharing her political fame and recognition and using it to boost others.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (two years ago) link

in before someone suggests she's nominated for president
xp fuck just missed it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (two years ago) link

name has 5-4-2 syllable pattern: last name should have three syllables

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (two years ago) link

left-handed, so she's pretty much limited to 1B or the outfield

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (two years ago) link

Alexandria / Ocasio-Cortez is / a living haiku.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (two years ago) link

the main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

buuuuut, the great thing about AOC is that i would have more confidence in her than just about anyone else to bounce back quickly from a hypothetic major twitter fuckup. as our wise president says "we'll see what happens"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:29 (two years ago) link

Left-handed? Excellent.

suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:38 (two years ago) link

yeah i was going to say how bad can she really fuck up on twitter that will make what these assholes say about here matter to anyone but them?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (two years ago) link

about her*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (two years ago) link

She cares too much

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:40 (two years ago) link

her ability to get the right to constantly self-own without even doing anything is incredible. at first I thought the "they're terrified of her" thing was overblown but they clearly are. not just because she's so far left but also because I don't think she's willing to "play ball" the way people like Schumer and Obama were. plus the fact that she's young and massively popular will only encourage more like her to come out of the woodwork which could shape US politics for decades to come. she's only been in office for a month but she already feels like an icon.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:44 (two years ago) link

God, does this woman have a gazillions tons of hope resting on her shoulders or what?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (two years ago) link

I look forward to many years of right-wing sputtering about the outrageous policy positions of this lefty commie socialist who okay is very attractive but that's not the point because she's going to destroy this country perhaps even with her smoldering good looks.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (two years ago) link

I think the biggest thing she can achieve, especially in the near term, is to inspire more like minded young politicians to run.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (two years ago) link

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (two years ago) link

she came out too fully formed as an awesome politician and therefore must actually be either an alien or a veteran operative in disguise

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (two years ago) link

fwiw I maintain muted expectations about what she can actually achieve in the system but so far she has exceeded them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (two years ago) link

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (two years ago) link

she's already exceeded expectations. no one was talking about a Green New Deal or a 70% top rate before she came along.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:52 (two years ago) link

imo her strength so far has been to say exactly enough, or to respond with tongue-in-cheek fact checks about her stances without jumping into clusterfucks

having someone with actual policy stances without a political or even social past deep enough to sabotage dialogue in favor of ad hominem attacks is a net positive. media and public commentary almost demands a personality or face to link policy to, because policy is abstract and complicated and presenting an individual makes the job easier. if she's that person, have at it

it's a refreshing change from the right-wing version in the tea party goons, who had notional policy ideas and were 90% horrible personality and demagoguery

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (two years ago) link

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:51 PM (forty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of bullshitty. She voted for the bill to reopen govt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (two years ago) link

btw it does pain me to bring up the "Trump of the left" thing but it does occur to me that she's *actually* good at all the political stuff that people thought Trump was good at

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (two years ago) link

xp

This was not a catch-all bill to reopen the federal government, which has been shut down for weeks while Trump refuses to sign a budget until he gets funding for a border wall. That was a different vote. No, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi scheduled an entirely separate vote solely on funding the Department of Homeland Security.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (two years ago) link

Alfred's post reminds me of an article about perpetual ratfucker Gingrich, who was wildly successful at his goals until the day he wasn't

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:55 (two years ago) link

iirc she has changed her tack on how she votes for bills like that one. she recently was the sole dem holdout on another funding bill I believe?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (two years ago) link

yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (two years ago) link

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (two years ago) link

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (two years ago) link

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (two years ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (two years ago) link

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (two years ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (two years ago) link

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (two years ago) link

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (two years ago) link

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (two years ago) link

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (two years ago) link

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (two years ago) link

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (two years ago) link

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (two years ago) link

i do think that "tax the rich" is something that sounds common in some circles, like a thing you say almost as a joke, because you know it doesn't happen in a real way in this country, not to the tax levels of many others with better safety nets for their least wealthy people. but i'm not sure if that's a catchphrase that the rest of our asshole country uses. some of those assholes don't know jackshit but they know everything about celebs. so if she can show up at a celebrity thing and wear a phrase and make at least a handful of dumbasses think "tax the rich?! what!? what? what does that mean? jeanne, do you know what means? what the heck? why is she saying that? where is my food coming from? who is taking care of me? where do the people go when they drop off my things and walk away? where do letters come from?", then that's a good thing for america.

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:31 (five days ago) link

my only problem with the dress was that the demand is not specific enough. she should instead have had a table on the dress showing exactly what she wants the top marginal rates to be for different incomes.

certified juice therapist (harbl), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:34 (five days ago) link

where do letters come from?

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:35 (five days ago) link

no in fact she should have revised the entire internal revenue code and had it printed on the dress

certified juice therapist (harbl), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:35 (five days ago) link

my only problem with the dress was that the demand is not specific enough. she should instead have had a table on the dress showing exactly what she wants the top marginal rates to be for different incomes.

― certified juice therapist (harbl), Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:34 AM (fifty-seven seconds ago)

<3

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:36 (five days ago) link

Great!

Xpost

Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:39 (five days ago) link

a dress made with the entire tax code would be very impressive tbh.

Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:41 (five days ago) link

she should echo conservative america and completely double down on the dress. implement harbl's improved vision of the dress (which would be amazing), and then just fight everyone on it all the time, and never, ever admit that it didn't go well or that she isn't completely 100% right. she should say that her fashion choices are given to her by god

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:43 (five days ago) link

a dress to the nation at that stage

fix up luke shawp (darraghmac), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:43 (five days ago) link

she should wear a dress at a carry and conceal state that says "eat my taxes or i'll probably shoot you, in this dumb state"

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:45 (five days ago) link

lol dmac

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:45 (five days ago) link

huh I didn't know Frank Ocean was frowned upon now

I have been frowning upon Frank Ocean since channel ORANGE came out and was two good songs dragged down by what felt like 5000 bad ones

To get back on-topic, AOC could have murdered 7 people at the ball and a bunch of people would still be posting “she didn’t execute them all? What a FAKE”

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:47 (five days ago) link

a dress made with the entire tax code would be very impressive tbh.

― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Wednesday, September 15, 2021 8:41 AM (seven minutes ago)

okay, now I know what my Halloween costume is gonna be ... thanks ILX!

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:49 (five days ago) link

huh I didn't know Frank Ocean was frowned upon now

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

Been scowling and glowering since 2012.

So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 15:50 (five days ago) link

a dress made with the entire tax code would be very impressive tbh.

― Linda and Jodie Rocco (map), Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:41 AM (twenty-six minutes ago)

now i think i am going to put in some orders on spoonflower.com and make a new duvet cover

certified juice therapist (harbl), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:08 (five days ago) link

I think you should trademark taxCŌD immediately

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:17 (five days ago) link

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Friendly PSA: AOC is not just a “Latinx bartender from the Bronx with no political experience” but actually an establishment opp with a spooky past who was put where she is to subvert America’s growing Leftist movement. THREAD ⬇️🕵🏻 pic.twitter.com/y87ET4y3Ru

— Rap Game Edward Bernays (@Edward__Bernays) September 15, 2021

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:24 (five days ago) link

put where she is, ahahah
lol, yeah, they looked at all their options and put her against a 10-term incumbent who was also the Democratic Caucus Chair, just to start off slowly and cautiously

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:49 (five days ago) link

i hate that thread and that it was posted here

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:53 (five days ago) link

I feel like there needs to be some sort of asshole advisory on twitter stuff like that ... or like hidden text ... maybe it's my white fragility or maybe there are just a lot of horrible stupid people on the internet

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:02 (five days ago) link

it's in the twitter user agreement that everyone "reads" when they sign up. deep in the text it's like "warning, there's a whole of horrible stupid people here, meaning probably you, so..."

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:05 (five days ago) link

not you, sarahell, sorry! that was my impersonation of twitter lawyers calling everyone horrible stupid people, not specific people

"HYYOOOOOOONK!" is the sound I make (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:06 (five days ago) link

I am a robot and I disagree

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:06 (five days ago) link

Fucking dumbass doesn't even know the difference between bongos and a goddamn djembe for christ's sake.

peace, man, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:09 (five days ago) link

i hate that thread and that it was posted here

If I didn't post it, milo probably would have, and he would have meant it as a truthbomb, so consider my post a prophylactic.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:19 (five days ago) link

there was a DSA dude on a friend's FB that basically made that argument yesterday. Of the dudes on FB who were "leftists" criticizing AOC, this one appeared to be the only one that actually was engaged in any sort of activism.

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:21 (five days ago) link

If I didn't post it, milo probably would have

listen, i've had my own fights with milo on this message board, but fuck you no he wouldn't have

STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:21 (five days ago) link

boy unperson really got me there

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:35 (five days ago) link

but would you have posted it? that's the critical question here

typo punishment 1: i always save your up your reccos (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:40 (five days ago) link

Given that I am, in fact, Rap Game Ed Bernays I see no reason to post it here when I already have unperson among my 73 Twitter followers.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:48 (five days ago) link

c'mon, there's no way you have 73 followers.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:00 (five days ago) link

wait, the person who wrote that thread wasn't being satirical?

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:02 (five days ago) link

Granted, I only read the tweet posted here but I was like "clearly that's a joke"

a gentle push against my Wonder Bread face (DJP), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:03 (five days ago) link

haha I just came to post the same thing, I figured it was a joke tweet

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:08 (five days ago) link

c'mon, there's no way you have 73 followers.

All us Rap Game Eds follow each other, a real united front. Rap Game Edward R. Murrow, Rap Game Eadweard Muybridge, Rap Game Edward II.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:11 (five days ago) link

A MOVEMENT YOU CAN WEAR

SHOP THE TAX THE RICH COLLECTION

https://shop.ocasiocortez.com/?

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:15 (five days ago) link

“She’s not trying to build a brand”

- milo z

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:34 (five days ago) link

I don't know if that line of thinking is going to go where you want, tbh.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:44 (five days ago) link

Ooh tell me milo! Where’s it going to go?

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:48 (five days ago) link

Okay, you're right, she was trying to build a merch brand.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:50 (five days ago) link

Do you feel better?

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 19:51 (five days ago) link

She’s building a brand for leftism which is smart, funny, risky, good on social and even sometimes glamorous. That’s where my line of thinking was going to. Actually! And it’s exactly where I’d like it to go, not that AOC needs my approval.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 20:02 (five days ago) link

But… zing on, brother. Zing on.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 20:02 (five days ago) link

If you feel like you wanna zing
Cause zingin' is your thing
Zing on
All you gotta do is zing on - alright!

peace, man, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 20:13 (five days ago) link

i'd wear the abolish ice shirt

think “Gypsy-Pixie” and misspelled. (We are a white family.) (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 20:44 (five days ago) link

Honestly current femme fashion is abysmal, so I applaud this move on many levels

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 22:07 (five days ago) link

I’ve got the tax the rich sweatshirt. Was a huge hit at the Sunnyside Farmers market.

dan selzer, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 22:35 (five days ago) link

Are there "Tax the Rich" strap-ons? Asking for a friend.

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 22:45 (five days ago) link

Maybe Cara's on it

nashwan, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 22:53 (five days ago) link

I'd like to agree with Tracer Hand but TBH don't think those AOC clothes look very good.

I would consider wearing a Broadband Communism (old BT font) item though.

the pinefox, Thursday, 16 September 2021 11:17 (four days ago) link


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