What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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ok, enough is enough. she gets a thread.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:20 (four months ago) Permalink

haha nice callback title

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (four months ago) Permalink

cool now we have four US politics threads

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (four months ago) Permalink

She's fairly disrespectful to our president, for a start.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (four months ago) Permalink

she's so awesome she makes everyone else look bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (four months ago) Permalink

excellent title

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (four months ago) Permalink

if people don't want to use it, they won't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (four months ago) Permalink

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (four months ago) Permalink

sharp knees

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (four months ago) Permalink

american

||||||||, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:24 (four months ago) Permalink

If she's able to maintain her political stance (and especially if she winds up being an effective legislator) I would be very comfortable casting a prez vote for her once she's eligible to run.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:25 (four months ago) Permalink

i think she's wonderful. one thing i especially like about her is that she seems adept at forming a posse of like-minded legislators. she's good at sharing her political fame and recognition and using it to boost others.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (four months ago) Permalink

in before someone suggests she's nominated for president
xp fuck just missed it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (four months ago) Permalink

name has 5-4-2 syllable pattern: last name should have three syllables

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (four months ago) Permalink

left-handed, so she's pretty much limited to 1B or the outfield

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (four months ago) Permalink

Alexandria / Ocasio-Cortez is / a living haiku.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (four months ago) Permalink

the main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

buuuuut, the great thing about AOC is that i would have more confidence in her than just about anyone else to bounce back quickly from a hypothetic major twitter fuckup. as our wise president says "we'll see what happens"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:29 (four months ago) Permalink

Left-handed? Excellent.

suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:38 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah i was going to say how bad can she really fuck up on twitter that will make what these assholes say about here matter to anyone but them?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (four months ago) Permalink

about her*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (four months ago) Permalink

She cares too much

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:40 (four months ago) Permalink

her ability to get the right to constantly self-own without even doing anything is incredible. at first I thought the "they're terrified of her" thing was overblown but they clearly are. not just because she's so far left but also because I don't think she's willing to "play ball" the way people like Schumer and Obama were. plus the fact that she's young and massively popular will only encourage more like her to come out of the woodwork which could shape US politics for decades to come. she's only been in office for a month but she already feels like an icon.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:44 (four months ago) Permalink

God, does this woman have a gazillions tons of hope resting on her shoulders or what?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (four months ago) Permalink

I look forward to many years of right-wing sputtering about the outrageous policy positions of this lefty commie socialist who okay is very attractive but that's not the point because she's going to destroy this country perhaps even with her smoldering good looks.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (four months ago) Permalink

I think the biggest thing she can achieve, especially in the near term, is to inspire more like minded young politicians to run.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (four months ago) Permalink

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (four months ago) Permalink

she came out too fully formed as an awesome politician and therefore must actually be either an alien or a veteran operative in disguise

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (four months ago) Permalink

fwiw I maintain muted expectations about what she can actually achieve in the system but so far she has exceeded them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (four months ago) Permalink

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (four months ago) Permalink

she's already exceeded expectations. no one was talking about a Green New Deal or a 70% top rate before she came along.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:52 (four months ago) Permalink

imo her strength so far has been to say exactly enough, or to respond with tongue-in-cheek fact checks about her stances without jumping into clusterfucks

having someone with actual policy stances without a political or even social past deep enough to sabotage dialogue in favor of ad hominem attacks is a net positive. media and public commentary almost demands a personality or face to link policy to, because policy is abstract and complicated and presenting an individual makes the job easier. if she's that person, have at it

it's a refreshing change from the right-wing version in the tea party goons, who had notional policy ideas and were 90% horrible personality and demagoguery

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (four months ago) Permalink

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:51 PM (forty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of bullshitty. She voted for the bill to reopen govt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (four months ago) Permalink

btw it does pain me to bring up the "Trump of the left" thing but it does occur to me that she's *actually* good at all the political stuff that people thought Trump was good at

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (four months ago) Permalink

xp

This was not a catch-all bill to reopen the federal government, which has been shut down for weeks while Trump refuses to sign a budget until he gets funding for a border wall. That was a different vote. No, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi scheduled an entirely separate vote solely on funding the Department of Homeland Security.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (four months ago) Permalink

Alfred's post reminds me of an article about perpetual ratfucker Gingrich, who was wildly successful at his goals until the day he wasn't

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:55 (four months ago) Permalink

iirc she has changed her tack on how she votes for bills like that one. she recently was the sole dem holdout on another funding bill I believe?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (four months ago) Permalink

yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (four months ago) Permalink

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (four months ago) Permalink

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (four months ago) Permalink

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (four months ago) Permalink

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (four months ago) Permalink

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (four months ago) Permalink

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (four months ago) Permalink

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (four months ago) Permalink

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (four months ago) Permalink

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (four months ago) Permalink

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (four months ago) Permalink

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (four months ago) Permalink

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (four months ago) Permalink

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (four months ago) Permalink

wow like all great prophets im being persecuted in my own times

be the 2 chainz you want 2 see in the world (m bison), Saturday, 11 May 2019 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

Alfred gets a flagrant 2

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 12 May 2019 15:18 (one month ago) Permalink

Nesting Doll Yacht Rich is a very good turn of phrase.

Yerac, Sunday, 12 May 2019 16:26 (one month ago) Permalink

oh my GOD look what i found at the comic shop today 😂 pic.twitter.com/58jp9iX1A2

— Tatum Flynn (@Tatum_Flynn) May 24, 2019

despondently sipping tomato soup (Sanpaku), Sunday, 26 May 2019 04:34 (four weeks ago) Permalink

oooof

https://deadspin.com/fresno-grizzlies-are-sorry-for-memorial-day-video-that-1835063084

But when it reached the part of the speech where Reagan addressed “the enemies of freedom,” the following images were shown: A protester in a beanie with an anti-fascist slogan, Kim Jong-un, U.S. Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Fidel Castro, protesters holding a “NO TRUMP NO KKK” signs, and protesters holding an “ANTIFA” sign.

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 16:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

BREAKING: Ted Cruz has had sex at least 16 times


On Wednesday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) proposed a new bipartisan bill to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY): Make birth control available over the counter.

When Ocasio-Cortez tweeted “Birth control should be over-the-counter, pass it on,” the GOP senator responded with “I agree.”

“Perhaps, in addition to the legislation we are already working on together to ban Members of Congress from becoming lobbyists, we can team up here as well,” Cruz tweeted. “A simple, clean bill making birth control available over the counter. Interested?”

Although Cruz is staunchly anti-abortion, the Republican lawmaker has expressed support for contraceptives in the past.

“Now, listen, I have been a conservative my entire life,” Cruz said during a presidential campaign stop in 2015. “I have never met anybody, any conservative, who wants to ban contraceptives. As I noted, Heidi and I, we have two little girls. I’m very glad we don’t have 17.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/ted-cruz-aoc-bipartisan-bill-birth-control-over-the-counter

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:11 (one week ago) Permalink

i have a feeling cruz is about to meet some conservatives who want to ban contraceptives

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Ted Cruz had more sex than I did in 2015!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:16 (one week ago) Permalink

"...we can team up here as well."

I think somebody has a little crush!

pplains, Wednesday, 12 June 2019 19:49 (one week ago) Permalink

There's been a lot of Ted Cruz/AOC wheeling and dealing lately. Not sure what to make of it or if it will amount to anything.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:46 (one week ago) Permalink

Don't see the big deal so long as she/we get what she/we want.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:49 (one week ago) Permalink

Yeah, definitely. Cruz is just looking for an opportunity to work with a renowned evil communist so he can he’s bipartisan when he runs again in 2024

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:50 (one week ago) Permalink

So he can ^say^

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:50 (one week ago) Permalink

Both can tell their constituents that Bipartisanship is Possible -- even when it doesn't work.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:53 (one week ago) Permalink

Beto would have said he was glad he didn't have hundreds of kids...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 June 2019 23:55 (one week ago) Permalink

fyi:

Hey swooning liberals: Republicans want a “clean bill” to make birth control OTC because it would mean *insurance companies don’t have to cover it* and we know this because this was *literally the bill they already tried to pass once before* https://t.co/hvDJf7smEY

— August J. Pollak (@AugustJPollak) June 12, 2019

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 June 2019 01:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Oh for sure. We should mention (and k3vin would be in a position to explain) that Obamacare requires contraception as a preventative service. No?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 01:58 (one week ago) Permalink

trump in 2017 weakened the contraceptive mandate, letting insurers with supposed religious objections absain. I am honestly not sure what the law would be if birth control were made OTC -- generally insurances do not cover OTC products. I assume this is why talk of a "clean" bill gives health policy people pause

k3vin k., Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:06 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah I'm not buying at all that there are political points to be gained in the TX electorate by bipartisanship, much less teamimg up with this year's Satan, of all ppl

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:12 (one week ago) Permalink

only for Chuck Todd types

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:30 (one week ago) Permalink

AOC has proven sharp, or at least has a sharp staff. I'm sure she won't fall into a Cruz trap. The glory of Ted Cruz is that he's such a transparently meretricious and silly man; he fools no one.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:31 (one week ago) Permalink

well except for that one lady seventeen times

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 June 2019 02:56 (one week ago) Permalink

AOC used 'begging the question' in an improper fashion the other day; this is the only flaw i've noticed so far

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 June 2019 03:04 (one week ago) Permalink

hee hee

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Thursday, 13 June 2019 04:15 (one week ago) Permalink

Fox News' bullshit with her is so ham-handed yet their viewership is so fucking brain-dead that I guess it should count as being subversive. This rant brought on by reading a headline article about her on the site and immediately noticing that they painstakingly recreate every single ellipsis, "you know," repetition, and stumble in her speech when they quote her, which afaik they don't do for anyone else, obviously not for the Big Wet Prez. god, they're so pathetic.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 17 June 2019 15:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Mr. President, you’re from Queens.

You may fool the rest of the country, but I’ll call your bluff any day of the week.

Opening an impeachment inquiry is exactly what we must do when the President obstructs justice, advises witnesses to ignore legal subpoenas, & more.

Bye 👋🏽 https://t.co/4O9PNbYFki

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) June 17, 2019

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 June 2019 15:36 (one week ago) Permalink

pleeeease respond directly to that, trump, pleeeease

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:36 (one week ago) Permalink

she showed remarkable restraint in not adding "felicia"

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 17 June 2019 16:58 (one week ago) Permalink

kinda surprised Trump hasn't given her a dumb nickname yet. I'm sure my father-in-law could help.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:16 (one week ago) Permalink

That was a Scavino tweet. There's no possible way he could spell her name correctly on the first try.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:29 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm sure Trump will just call her Sandy

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:31 (one week ago) Permalink

kinda surprised Trump hasn't given her a dumb nickname yet.

I think he realizes she is absolutely not scared of him, and as with any bully that sets him back on his heels a bit.

I am curious (george) (slight return) (WmC), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:32 (one week ago) Permalink

i'm sure he's workshopping "Slutty Cortez" on the golf course

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:32 (one week ago) Permalink

Socialist Sandy

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:33 (one week ago) Permalink

XP I imagine whenever he does respond, part of the attack will involve him not thinking she's a "10".

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I was thinking Ditzy AOC, that seems to be the angle the right-wing media has been taking on her and I don't think Trump's creative enough to go in a different direction.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, 17 June 2019 17:52 (one week ago) Permalink

AOC's best asset is how she bullies the bullies right back

omar little, Monday, 17 June 2019 17:57 (one week ago) Permalink

kyle walker?

godfellaz (darraghmac), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:09 (one week ago) Permalink

has no one in power tried "Dumbfuck Donald" aka #DFD

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:46 (one week ago) Permalink

just fyi i have tried a similar line on trump in my daydreams, and he comes back with "oh this one has a real foul mouth, just a real nasty mouth" and before i can get my response in the press goes crazy and starts shouting additional questions at him and the moment is over

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Monday, 17 June 2019 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

We need an investigative reporter to seek out his early classmates and ask what pejoratives they used while he was crammed in a locker with the band of his undershorts stretched over his head.

Morrie Antoilette (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 June 2019 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

Ditzy AOC, that seems to be the angle the right-wing media has been taking on her

0_o how are they getting this from her being a sharp, focused, aware communicator and oh never mind

We need an investigative reporter to seek out his early classmates and ask what pejoratives they used while he was crammed in a locker with the band of his undershorts stretched over his head.

investigative reporters have so far failed to uncover the moment when cruel bullies shaped the formerly kind and placid Donnie into a defensive creature, trapped inside a harsh shell, that we can still reach and nourish and change

In elementary school, Donny impressed classmates with his refusal to acknowledge mistakes, even one so trivial as misidentifying a popular professional wrestler. No matter his pals’ ridicule, one recalled, he doubled down, insisting wrestler Antonino Rocca’s name was “Rocky Antonino.”

A fierce competitor, Trump could erupt in anger, pummeling another boy or smashing a baseball bat if he made an out, two childhood neighbors said. In school, he misbehaved so often that his initials became his friends’ shorthand for detention. .. “DTs” — short for “Donny Trump.”

Dennis Burnham was four years younger and lived around the corner from Donald. He inherited his own impression of his neighbor from his mother, who warned that he should “stay away from the Trumps.”

“Donald was known to be a bully, I was a little kid, and my parents didn’t want me beaten up,” said Burnham, 65, a business consultant in Texas.

Once when she left Dennis in a playpen in a back yard adjoining the Trumps’ property, Martha Burnham returned to find Donald throwing rocks at her son. “She saw Donald standing at the fence,” Dennis Burnham said, “using the playpen for target ­practice.”

“He had a reputation for saying anything that came into his head,” said Donald Kass, 70, a retired agronomist who was a schoolmate. When Trump misidentified Rocca, the pro wrestler, Kass recalled, “We would laugh at him and tell him he was wrong, and he’d say he was right. The next time, he would make the same mistake, and it would be the same thing all over again.”

In his neighborhood, Donald and his friends were known to ride their bikes and “shout and curse very loudly,” said Steve Nachtigall, who lived nearby. Nachtigall said he once saw them jump off their bikes and beat up another boy.

“It’s kind of like a little video snippet that remains in my brain because I think it was so unusual and terrifying at that age,” recalled Nachtigall, 66, a doctor in New Jersey. “He was a loudmouth bully.”

Ann Trees, 82, who taught at Kew-Forest School, where Trump was a student through seventh grade: “He was headstrong and determined. He would sit with his arms folded with this look on his face — I use the word surly — almost daring you to say one thing or another that wouldn’t settle with him.”

Trump wrote that his main focus as a youngster was “creating mischief.” As a second-grader, he wrote, he “actually” gave his music teacher a black eye because “I didn’t think he knew anything about music, and I almost got expelled.”

None of Trump’s childhood friends recall the incident or Donald talking about it then. Asked about the punch recently, Trump said, “When I say ‘punch,’ when you’re that age, nobody punches very hard.”

At a 2009 reunion, Kass said, the teacher, Charles Walker, told him that Trump had never struck him. But Walker, who died last year, claimed no affection for Trump. In the final stages of his life, according to his son, Charles Walker learned that Trump was considering a presidential bid.

“When that kid was 10,” Peter Walker recalled his father telling family members gathered at his bedside, “even then he was a little s---.”





After he was sent to military high school for disciplinary issues:

Dobias said he recognized in Trump an innate drive: “He wanted to be number one. He wanted to be noticed. He wanted to be recognized. And he liked ­compliments.”

Enraged by a bunkmate's unmade bed, he threw the boy's sheets on the floor and

tried to push a fellow cadet out a second-floor window, only to be thwarted when two other students intervened.

In his room, Trump played Elvis Presley and Johnny Mathis albums. He liked to screw an ultraviolet light into the overhead socket and lie down for a tan. “We’re going to the beach,” Trump would announce to his roommate, David Smith.

A month after senior year started, Trump faced a crisis. One of his platoon sergeants shoved a plebe, Lee Ains, against a wall because the freshman was too slow snapping to attention. At the time, the academy was already dealing with a serious hazing incident and was sensitive to new allegations of abuse. The administration reassigned Trump as a battalion training officer.

Ains said the academy concluded that Trump had not monitored his officers “as closely as he should have.”

Trump described his reassignment as a promotion. “I did a good job and that’s why I got elevated,” he said.



I mean, there's these, but I don't know how effective suddenly calling him Donny or referring to his hair is gonna be at curtailing him. Might have to impeach or something instead?

Even Trump has acknowledged the similarities between himself as an adult and when he was the boy whom friends alternately referred to as “Donny,” “The Trumpet” and “Flat Top” (for his hair).

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Monday, 17 June 2019 21:34 (one week ago) Permalink

I don't know, man. Maybe we should try calling him Drumpf again first.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 13:59 (six days ago) Permalink

Whole lot of Trump posting on the AOC thread

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 14:51 (six days ago) Permalink

we need somewhere to talk about him

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 14:55 (six days ago) Permalink

Imagine being lectured by a Cheney about mass murder. On second thought, don't imagine that. https://t.co/vUQiJVBbQD

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 18, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 16:35 (six days ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/KklPPjw.jpg

pplains, Tuesday, 18 June 2019 17:15 (six days ago) Permalink

Liz Cheney can get the Shoah out of her fucking mouth

don't mock my smock or i'll clean your clock (silby), Tuesday, 18 June 2019 17:25 (six days ago) Permalink


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