What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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ok, enough is enough. she gets a thread.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:20 (two months ago) Permalink

haha nice callback title

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (two months ago) Permalink

cool now we have four US politics threads

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (two months ago) Permalink

She's fairly disrespectful to our president, for a start.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

she's so awesome she makes everyone else look bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

excellent title

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

if people don't want to use it, they won't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (two months ago) Permalink

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (two months ago) Permalink

sharp knees

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (two months ago) Permalink

american

||||||||, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:24 (two months ago) Permalink

If she's able to maintain her political stance (and especially if she winds up being an effective legislator) I would be very comfortable casting a prez vote for her once she's eligible to run.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:25 (two months ago) Permalink

i think she's wonderful. one thing i especially like about her is that she seems adept at forming a posse of like-minded legislators. she's good at sharing her political fame and recognition and using it to boost others.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (two months ago) Permalink

in before someone suggests she's nominated for president
xp fuck just missed it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (two months ago) Permalink

name has 5-4-2 syllable pattern: last name should have three syllables

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (two months ago) Permalink

left-handed, so she's pretty much limited to 1B or the outfield

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (two months ago) Permalink

Alexandria / Ocasio-Cortez is / a living haiku.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (two months ago) Permalink

the main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

buuuuut, the great thing about AOC is that i would have more confidence in her than just about anyone else to bounce back quickly from a hypothetic major twitter fuckup. as our wise president says "we'll see what happens"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:29 (two months ago) Permalink

Left-handed? Excellent.

suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:38 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah i was going to say how bad can she really fuck up on twitter that will make what these assholes say about here matter to anyone but them?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (two months ago) Permalink

about her*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (two months ago) Permalink

She cares too much

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:40 (two months ago) Permalink

her ability to get the right to constantly self-own without even doing anything is incredible. at first I thought the "they're terrified of her" thing was overblown but they clearly are. not just because she's so far left but also because I don't think she's willing to "play ball" the way people like Schumer and Obama were. plus the fact that she's young and massively popular will only encourage more like her to come out of the woodwork which could shape US politics for decades to come. she's only been in office for a month but she already feels like an icon.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:44 (two months ago) Permalink

God, does this woman have a gazillions tons of hope resting on her shoulders or what?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I look forward to many years of right-wing sputtering about the outrageous policy positions of this lefty commie socialist who okay is very attractive but that's not the point because she's going to destroy this country perhaps even with her smoldering good looks.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (two months ago) Permalink

I think the biggest thing she can achieve, especially in the near term, is to inspire more like minded young politicians to run.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

she came out too fully formed as an awesome politician and therefore must actually be either an alien or a veteran operative in disguise

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (two months ago) Permalink

fwiw I maintain muted expectations about what she can actually achieve in the system but so far she has exceeded them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (two months ago) Permalink

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (two months ago) Permalink

she's already exceeded expectations. no one was talking about a Green New Deal or a 70% top rate before she came along.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:52 (two months ago) Permalink

imo her strength so far has been to say exactly enough, or to respond with tongue-in-cheek fact checks about her stances without jumping into clusterfucks

having someone with actual policy stances without a political or even social past deep enough to sabotage dialogue in favor of ad hominem attacks is a net positive. media and public commentary almost demands a personality or face to link policy to, because policy is abstract and complicated and presenting an individual makes the job easier. if she's that person, have at it

it's a refreshing change from the right-wing version in the tea party goons, who had notional policy ideas and were 90% horrible personality and demagoguery

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (two months ago) Permalink

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:51 PM (forty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of bullshitty. She voted for the bill to reopen govt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (two months ago) Permalink

btw it does pain me to bring up the "Trump of the left" thing but it does occur to me that she's *actually* good at all the political stuff that people thought Trump was good at

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (two months ago) Permalink

xp

This was not a catch-all bill to reopen the federal government, which has been shut down for weeks while Trump refuses to sign a budget until he gets funding for a border wall. That was a different vote. No, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi scheduled an entirely separate vote solely on funding the Department of Homeland Security.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (two months ago) Permalink

Alfred's post reminds me of an article about perpetual ratfucker Gingrich, who was wildly successful at his goals until the day he wasn't

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:55 (two months ago) Permalink

iirc she has changed her tack on how she votes for bills like that one. she recently was the sole dem holdout on another funding bill I believe?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (two months ago) Permalink

yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (two months ago) Permalink

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (two months ago) Permalink

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (two months ago) Permalink

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (two months ago) Permalink

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (two months ago) Permalink

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (two months ago) Permalink

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (two months ago) Permalink

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (two months ago) Permalink

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (two months ago) Permalink

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (two months ago) Permalink

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (two months ago) Permalink

I once ordered the fisherman's special at Hardees and was shocked that I did not get a chicken sandwich. I have no clue what I was thinking.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Sir, this is an AOC thread.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Madam.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

People aren’t walking wikipedias. The general point is that republicans moved to impose term limits as a reaction to FDR’s popularity

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Trump doesn’t know what country his father was born in

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

The thing is, like most normal people, she accepts corrections or amends her statements. She doesn't double down and try to rewrite history.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

except this time

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:58 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I wasn’t there honestly

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 19:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe fdr served just two terms

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

did she double down? Is this the new thing people want to torch her with?

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:00 (two weeks ago) Permalink

can AOC serve four term? If so, THEN she can talk.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:01 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I didn't even notice what the issue was with what she said.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yes, she doubled down

Hey Rep. Cheney,

I see from your dead people comment that you get your news from Facebook memes, but the National Constitution Center + Newsweek are just two of many places where you can clarify your misunderstanding of the history of the 22nd Amendment: https://t.co/Je6mHFJ687 https://t.co/np1XtgLpm1

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) April 1, 2019

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:02 (two weeks ago) Permalink

She said they passed an amendment in 1944 when really they proposed it in 1944 and passed it in 1947.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It’s an incredibly dumb controversy

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

well passing an Amendment in 1947 to stop FDR from being re-elected shows that they really hated that dude

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:05 (two weeks ago) Permalink

she got it wrong, it's an understandable mistake, the 22nd was clearly targeted at FDR and his legacy, but insisting that she actually got it right based on a strained reading of history is not a great strategy

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

People believed in ghosts then

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:06 (two weeks ago) Permalink

no it was better back then. Great in fact.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

just wait until Professor Ocasio-Cortez sees my scathing course evaluation for her ConLaw class.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah, I don't think that is doubling down. She's not wrong, her selection of words relative to the timing of how it played out is not great as shown in that newsweek article.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 20:12 (two weeks ago) Permalink

what an incredibly silly thing to devote any number of ilx posts to

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

vmic though

LEOPLOD BLOOMPS (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Also ILE board description.

LEOPLOD BLOOMPS (Leee), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:08 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Captain Kirk let Edith Keeler live, and FDR was overthrown by the Germans in 1943, I recall

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:35 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xpost, yeah i feel stupid for defending something that doesn't need defending.

Yerac, Tuesday, 2 April 2019 23:46 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I just made the mistake of looking at my dad's fb to see if he has anything new public (because I haven't spoken to him in over 2 years and am not fb friends). Holy crap are there a lot of messy memes about AOC being stupid. Obsessed. (this fascination with Maxine Waters and Pelosi too).

Yerac, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 13:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I have to admit that I was taught that the Presidency is term-limited because it killed FDR and Congress didn’t want that to happen again.

LEOPLOD BLOOMPS (Leee), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

if FDR had run for a fifth term, it might've cured his polio.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:17 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Winning a fifth term unlocks a new level in Democracy

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 3 April 2019 16:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Paul Ryan: AOC Wasn’t Too Interested in His Advice; Didn’t Listen ‘To a Thing I Said’ https://t.co/qtdC1lN013 pic.twitter.com/PUOkPYuAms

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) April 3, 2019

lmao

frogbs, Wednesday, 3 April 2019 17:27 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez quits Facebook, calls social media a ‘public health risk’

The New York Democrat said she stopped using her account personally, but her campaign still sponsors several active ads on Facebook.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/04/15/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-quits-facebook-calls-social-media-public-health-risk/

the late great, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:05 (one week ago) Permalink

i have not really been paying much attention to AOC but she's got that right

the late great, Monday, 15 April 2019 17:06 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah A+ and a good reminder for me to erase my account

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:14 (one week ago) Permalink

deactivated a couple weeks ago and it's been v good

Simon H., Monday, 15 April 2019 17:16 (one week ago) Permalink

likely AOC couldn't understand Ryan because he makes that face while talking and no sound can escape his pursed lips

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:20 (one week ago) Permalink

AOC on Biden: "Does not particularly animate me...I don’t want to go back. I want to go forward.’"

“I haven't endorsed anybody but I'm very supportive of Bernie."

“What Warren ‘is bringing to the table’ is ‘truly remarkable and transformational.’”https://t.co/Ps0pMMMMeJ

— Waleed Shahid (@_waleedshahid) April 15, 2019

Simon H., Monday, 15 April 2019 17:26 (one week ago) Permalink

lol just listen to the Skullduggery podcast
that's where all these quotes are coming from

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:34 (one week ago) Permalink

ulysses, ck NYC gathering info first

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 April 2019 17:37 (one week ago) Permalink

hm, will peek

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 April 2019 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

ha literally do not know what ilx fb group name is!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 15 April 2019 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

Wait what? ILX FB group?

DJI, Monday, 15 April 2019 19:21 (one week ago) Permalink

ck yr fb invites U

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:23 (one week ago) Permalink

Fox News Debuts Premium Channel For 24-Hour Coverage Of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez https://t.co/Tdfe2IkJBD pic.twitter.com/oTwQ2JxhYa

— The Onion (@TheOnion) April 15, 2019

Dan Worsley, Monday, 15 April 2019 19:25 (one week ago) Permalink

that's from January ftr

blokes you can't rust (sic), Monday, 15 April 2019 19:55 (one week ago) Permalink

is there really a private ILX group beyond the "now playing" one

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2019 20:04 (one week ago) Permalink

This is a story from the future. It's the story of the world we won by fighting for a #GreenNewDeal. Written and narrated by Representative @AOC.

Watch: pic.twitter.com/URFcHgHB3n

— Sunrise Movement 🌅 (@sunrisemvmt) April 17, 2019

Simon H., Wednesday, 17 April 2019 19:26 (five days ago) Permalink


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