What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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ok, enough is enough. she gets a thread.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:20 (one week ago) Permalink

haha nice callback title

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

cool now we have four US politics threads

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:21 (one week ago) Permalink

She's fairly disrespectful to our president, for a start.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

she's so awesome she makes everyone else look bad

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

excellent title

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

if people don't want to use it, they won't

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:22 (one week ago) Permalink

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (one week ago) Permalink

sharp knees

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:23 (one week ago) Permalink

american

||||||||, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:24 (one week ago) Permalink

If she's able to maintain her political stance (and especially if she winds up being an effective legislator) I would be very comfortable casting a prez vote for her once she's eligible to run.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:25 (one week ago) Permalink

i think she's wonderful. one thing i especially like about her is that she seems adept at forming a posse of like-minded legislators. she's good at sharing her political fame and recognition and using it to boost others.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

in before someone suggests she's nominated for president
xp fuck just missed it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

name has 5-4-2 syllable pattern: last name should have three syllables

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:26 (one week ago) Permalink

left-handed, so she's pretty much limited to 1B or the outfield

mookieproof, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (one week ago) Permalink

Alexandria / Ocasio-Cortez is / a living haiku.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:27 (one week ago) Permalink

the main reason for this thread is that she is an excellent twitterer, so maybe her daily handful of zings can go here instead of the other threads.

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

buuuuut, the great thing about AOC is that i would have more confidence in her than just about anyone else to bounce back quickly from a hypothetic major twitter fuckup. as our wise president says "we'll see what happens"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:29 (one week ago) Permalink

Left-handed? Excellent.

suzy, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:38 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah i was going to say how bad can she really fuck up on twitter that will make what these assholes say about here matter to anyone but them?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (one week ago) Permalink

about her*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:39 (one week ago) Permalink

She cares too much

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:40 (one week ago) Permalink

her ability to get the right to constantly self-own without even doing anything is incredible. at first I thought the "they're terrified of her" thing was overblown but they clearly are. not just because she's so far left but also because I don't think she's willing to "play ball" the way people like Schumer and Obama were. plus the fact that she's young and massively popular will only encourage more like her to come out of the woodwork which could shape US politics for decades to come. she's only been in office for a month but she already feels like an icon.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:44 (one week ago) Permalink

God, does this woman have a gazillions tons of hope resting on her shoulders or what?

Wee boats wobble but they don't fall down (Tom D.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I look forward to many years of right-wing sputtering about the outrageous policy positions of this lefty commie socialist who okay is very attractive but that's not the point because she's going to destroy this country perhaps even with her smoldering good looks.

But people get sick on earth in their human form (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:48 (one week ago) Permalink

I think the biggest thing she can achieve, especially in the near term, is to inspire more like minded young politicians to run.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

however, if i worry about anything with AOC, it's that one day she's going to slip up in some major way, probably on twitter. the right wing is foaming at the mouth to take her down because they recognize what a beacon she's already become.

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

she came out too fully formed as an awesome politician and therefore must actually be either an alien or a veteran operative in disguise

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:50 (one week ago) Permalink

fwiw I maintain muted expectations about what she can actually achieve in the system but so far she has exceeded them

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:51 (one week ago) Permalink

she's already exceeded expectations. no one was talking about a Green New Deal or a 70% top rate before she came along.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:52 (one week ago) Permalink

imo her strength so far has been to say exactly enough, or to respond with tongue-in-cheek fact checks about her stances without jumping into clusterfucks

having someone with actual policy stances without a political or even social past deep enough to sabotage dialogue in favor of ad hominem attacks is a net positive. media and public commentary almost demands a personality or face to link policy to, because policy is abstract and complicated and presenting an individual makes the job easier. if she's that person, have at it

it's a refreshing change from the right-wing version in the tea party goons, who had notional policy ideas and were 90% horrible personality and demagoguery

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

https://libcom.org/news/abolishing-ice-funding-it-07012019

― xyzzzz__, Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:51 PM (forty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is kind of bullshitty. She voted for the bill to reopen govt.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:53 (one week ago) Permalink

btw it does pain me to bring up the "Trump of the left" thing but it does occur to me that she's *actually* good at all the political stuff that people thought Trump was good at

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

xp

This was not a catch-all bill to reopen the federal government, which has been shut down for weeks while Trump refuses to sign a budget until he gets funding for a border wall. That was a different vote. No, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi scheduled an entirely separate vote solely on funding the Department of Homeland Security.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:54 (one week ago) Permalink

Alfred's post reminds me of an article about perpetual ratfucker Gingrich, who was wildly successful at his goals until the day he wasn't

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:55 (one week ago) Permalink

iirc she has changed her tack on how she votes for bills like that one. she recently was the sole dem holdout on another funding bill I believe?

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:56 (one week ago) Permalink

yeah I was gonna say that libcom link falls more under "legit critique of a particular action" than a "flaw" and if she's already moved on from that stance then so much the better.

sleeve, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

the way Congress operates you kind of have to either vote for some bad things or not vote for some good things because it all comes in the same bill. I don't think she'd actually vote against abolishing ICE if such a thing were to come up.

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

Cool thanks I wasn't really buying it too much (basically if you fuck with electoralism lib com goes after you)

But that's the only thing I've seen (and I almost always only entertain critiques of left-politicians from the left)

I was reading this piece on her call with Corbyn and she was swayed a bit on the allegations he is an anti-semite. That's more a product of doing too much twitter where everyone tweets to you with their agendas.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2019/02/how-to-think-clearly-about-anti-semitism-controversies-in-the-labour-party

But if the worst thing is that she might tweet something that isn't so good at times then she's doing amazing.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 February 2019 18:58 (one week ago) Permalink

they already have. You should read "smart" conservatives like Charles Cooke and Noah Rothman patiently explaining like Paul Muni as Zola how her plans are untenable. They don't get how she's using conservative methods since the Reagan-Poppy era: float a trial balloon, then watch as people accommodate.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 7, 2019 1:50 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump methods too. You float something outrageous (end birthright citizenship), everyone goes "THAT'S PREPOSTEROUS" and then the "smart" and "reasonable" people say "well actually lots of countries don't have birthright citizenship at all." Now you've shifted the debate into your territory, and maybe you can't change the constitution in that particular case, but you've weakened resistance to tighter immigration laws.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:00 (one week ago) Permalink

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (one week ago) Permalink

I'm still laughing at this tweet chain where her chief of staff was clued in not to take a meeting with known grifters (original post deleted but you get the jist)

This guy is a dingbat grifter, take the time to do 3 seconds of googling bro

— Dan (@dankmtl) February 4, 2019

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:03 (one week ago) Permalink

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

frogbs otm, that would be the real overton window shifting strategy, but Trump literally doesn't understand it and is obsessed with numbers

If he were to get six billion he's still not building a wall, he's saying "we built it" and just tossing the money at the border patrol/DHS and never calling them to check to see where it went

he's stuck on six billion = wall

mh, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

I realize a lot of people *say* that Trump does this, but I don't think that's true - were there not a bunch of so-called smart conservatives who insisted that the "wall" was just a metaphor for "strong border security", which he's rejected over and over again because he actually wants a big dumb physical wall?

― frogbs, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:03 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump personally is a mental and emotional child. I mean Stephen Miller and the like.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:05 (one week ago) Permalink

man alive otm way upthread. It’s almost spooky how skilled and self assured she is this early in her career. Like a Mozart or Tiger Woods of politics.

― Trϵϵship, Thursday, February 7, 2019 2:05 PM (fifteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I literally told a friend I thought she could be president back when we weren't even sure if she could win her primary. I don't attribute that to any special insight, it's plain to see.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:06 (one week ago) Permalink

She’s actually impressive in an age of mass disillusionment.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

I mean decisively taking down a well-liked establishment dude like Crowley with like 5% of the funding and no corporate endorsements whatsoever is legit one of the most impressive political accomplishments I've ever witnessed

frogbs, Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:08 (one week ago) Permalink

for sure

although "well-liked" might be a stretch -- I think he was a bit complacent and absent from his district, leaving more of an opening than realized. But def well-connected in queens overall. I mean, chair of the queens democratic party, mr. machine.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I like her a lot and think she has a bright future, including a possible path to the presidency if she chooses to pursue it (which is a bit difficult to do from the House, historically). There is, of course, still plenty of time for her to flame out or not deliver on big legislative priorities, but so far she's been very sure-footed and she has excellent priorities and communications skills.

legislative fanboy halfwit (Οὖτις), Thursday, 7 February 2019 19:10 (one week ago) Permalink

I think of AOC like Guru from Gangstarr, like did he have the must naturally great rap voice? probably not...but AOC's great personality, social media savvy and knack for being able to make political points really simple and impactful for people is like Guru's I'll lyrical skills...this is supported by her her progressive left agenda which is like the banging Premo beats of American politics....and the green new deal could be her Hard to Earn

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:02 (one week ago) Permalink

ums with the most correct take, lock thread

a surprise challenge that ended with a gunging (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Wait, but didn't Guru say that it's mostly the voice?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 11 February 2019 14:25 (one week ago) Permalink

he did but i think he was projecting some of his insecurities tbh

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:38 (one week ago) Permalink

god now I'm stuck with Thatcher's Miss Jean Brodie routine in my head

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 11 February 2019 16:42 (one week ago) Permalink

safe to say that at least some prominent people fell for the disinformation campaign that immediately popped up around the green new deal

Safe to say Green New Deal will be a staple of Trump's 2020 stump speech: “I really don’t like their policy of taking away your car, of taking away your airplane rights, of let’s hop a train to California, of you’re not allowed to own cows anymore," he said to cheers in El Paso.

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) February 12, 2019

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:09 (six days ago) Permalink

hell, his own staff probably came up with the disinformation campaign

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:15 (six days ago) Permalink

i thought her campaign are admitting that they posted the faq now, but with qualification that it was done prematurely? or is that ref to a different disinfo campaign

flopson, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:29 (six days ago) Permalink

there was a fake version of it circulating that said men had to drink their own urine under this plan

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:30 (six days ago) Permalink

in the actual plan, men have to drink everyone else's urine

GDPR vs GAPDY (DJP), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:37 (six days ago) Permalink

right. under socialism, there wouldn't really be a concept of own's "own" urine anyway.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:42 (six days ago) Permalink

Territorial pissings.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 03:45 (six days ago) Permalink

lmfao treeship

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 04:05 (six days ago) Permalink

right. under socialism, there wouldn't really be a concept of own's "own" urine anyway.

new board description please

flappy bird, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 04:06 (six days ago) Permalink

If socialism means trough urinals, I'm out.

jmm, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 04:13 (six days ago) Permalink

Romania had trough urinals under Ceausescu. Therefore socialism means having trough urinals. It's pure logic.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 04:15 (six days ago) Permalink

it's true, all the commies I know are always posting dank Ceausescu memes

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 04:40 (six days ago) Permalink

Bravo Treeship

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 10:26 (six days ago) Permalink

Albania's ultra-hardline communist dictator Hoxha dotted the countryside with concrete bomb shelters. Now that he's long gone and Albania is finally open, people often use them as toilets.

What goes around ...

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 February 2019 13:05 (six days ago) Permalink

Josh, are you across the street from me?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 February 2019 13:09 (six days ago) Permalink

VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT FROM @AOC. PLEASE PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION 🙏🏽 pic.twitter.com/Ogv5VUnjwL

— THE KID MERO 🇩🇴 (@THEKIDMERO) February 13, 2019

not important but very charming

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:46 (five days ago) Permalink

She's having too much fun.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 19:55 (five days ago) Permalink

fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffolks pic.twitter.com/FvTHcmqdEs

— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) February 13, 2019

here's a pretty legit flaw: she makes gross conservatives really horny

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:20 (five days ago) Permalink

"no ice" is pretty good

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:22 (five days ago) Permalink

That reason and logic liqueur sure is small.

DJI, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:50 (five days ago) Permalink

I could go for a Marxarita right about now.

Fetchboy, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 21:55 (five days ago) Permalink

This is the first time in my life that I'm sad that I don't own a bar.

Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:04 (five days ago) Permalink

Late Term Abortion honestly (tasteless or no) sounds like a great name for a cocktail.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:09 (five days ago) Permalink

have y'all have Stalin Stale Ale? Too light even for an IPA imo

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:12 (five days ago) Permalink

Late Term Abortion

2 oz gin
1oz lemon juice
1/2 oz grenadine
4 drops saline "tears"
egg white
dry shake ingredients for 10 seconds, then shake with ice for 10 seconds

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:12 (five days ago) Permalink

Green New Deal

2oz mezcal
1oz green chartreuse
3/4 oz lime
2 drops absinthe
mint for garnish

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:14 (five days ago) Permalink

Ah, for the simple pleasure of an Irish Car Bomb.

suzy, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:16 (five days ago) Permalink

really hope AOC's old bar orders a print and frames that

frogbs, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 22:56 (five days ago) Permalink

Late Term Abortion - on demand.

Yerac, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:04 (five days ago) Permalink

Late Term Abortion honestly (tasteless or no) sounds like a great name for a cocktail.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:09 PM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

only available for 20 minutes before closing.

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:13 (five days ago) Permalink

xpost lol

affects breves telnet (Gummy Gummy), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:13 (five days ago) Permalink

only available for 20 minutes before closing.

+ all the time in december and april

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:17 (five days ago) Permalink

again, what is up with the skin coloration on AOC here? I mean...that's not even a remote approximation.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:56 (five days ago) Permalink

I guess all non-European Americans are black?

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 February 2019 23:57 (five days ago) Permalink

That's almost Ronaldinho bottle opener-esque caricature

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 14 February 2019 01:51 (four days ago) Permalink

It's funny how Donald Trump thinks 'Let's hop a train to California' sounds bad.

To me, in London SE13, 'Let's hop a train to California' sounds impossibly romantic.

the pinefox, Thursday, 14 February 2019 08:50 (four days ago) Permalink

never hopped to Erith on a whim before? !

calzino, Thursday, 14 February 2019 09:18 (four days ago) Permalink

getting some flack for not sticking up for Ilhan Omar more - not sure if fair or not, not seen enough of whats been said

anvil, Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:05 (four days ago) Permalink

I often reflect on @AyannaPressley‘s words: “people closest to the pain should be closest to the power.”@IlhanMN is a Somali refugee. She has felt the ravages of war. Watching her question Trump’s envoy to VZ, who pled guilty to several Iran-Contra crimes, feels like justice. https://t.co/3mFv0lmAis

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) February 14, 2019

bhad bundy (Simon H.), Thursday, 14 February 2019 13:56 (four days ago) Permalink

here's a pretty legit flaw: she makes gross conservatives really horny

― frogbs

lol this is also a positive though, people tend to show their hand when they're horny

flappy bird, Thursday, 14 February 2019 19:00 (four days ago) Permalink

yeah......hand....

frogbs, Thursday, 14 February 2019 19:01 (four days ago) Permalink

I've been struck by her accent lately, or relative lack thereof, especially for a Bronx born Puerto Rican. She sounds kind of midwestern when she speaks.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 February 2019 19:19 (four days ago) Permalink

Jesse Jackson weighs in

DJI, Friday, 15 February 2019 18:28 (three days ago) Permalink

Love this:

Dr. Martin Luther King used to teach that “cowardice asks the question, is it expedient? And then expedience comes along and asks the question, is it politic? Vanity asks the question, is it popular? Conscience asks the question, is it right? There comes a time when one must take the position that is neither safe nor politic nor popular, but he must do it because conscience tells him it is right.”

DJI, Friday, 15 February 2019 18:36 (three days ago) Permalink


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