TRUE DETECTIVE season 3

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hi, i watched the first two episodes last night. i liked it.

discuss

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:15 (one month ago) Permalink

who is the true detective

j., Monday, 14 January 2019 18:35 (one month ago) Permalink

mahershalalhashbaz ali

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:36 (one month ago) Permalink

...or stephen dorff.

remains to be seen

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 14 January 2019 18:37 (one month ago) Permalink

at one point, old ali mumbles something to the filmmaker lady that makes his son react off to the side. i rewound three times but couldn't understand it. what was it? anyone catch it?

andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 14:51 (one month ago) Permalink

have a couple of friends who were on the crew for this. props and set dressing. my bud matthew is now the proud owner of the yellow chair from the sex shop guy's office. dorff wanted it (big collector of stuff, apparently) but matthew got to it first once filming wrapped.

andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 14:54 (one month ago) Permalink

in yr face, deacon frost

Effectively Big Jim with a beard. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 15:04 (one month ago) Permalink

did a lot of squinting once I realized that was stephen dorff

but *how* is that stephen dorff? occasionally a shot would be at an angle where i'd think "hmm, that guy does look a little like him"

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

at one point, old ali mumbles something to the filmmaker lady that makes his son react off to the side. i rewound three times but couldn't understand it. what was it? anyone catch it?

― andrew m., Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:51 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i can't remember well but i think it was just something that showed his senility

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

i'm thinking (hoping?) that the child abduction plus suspicious totems angle is a red herring and not the full season direction. or they're replaying elements of a successful first season

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:27 (one month ago) Permalink

I really like the conceit of having the different timelines literally intersect with each other in (as in the light going off in 2015 and seen in 1980, or Ali saying "I don't want to be here anymore" in 1980 into the camera but speaking from 2015...)

I guess there's some sense that this is gonna also intersect in some way with Season 1? Intriguing.

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:27 (one month ago) Permalink

xp. i would be surprised if the season moves away from the murder/abduction

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:29 (one month ago) Permalink

Like, a literal sense of dislocation, temporally and spatially, seems to be at play, as in Woodard's saying something like "ever want to be somewhere, and not be somewhere, at the same time?"

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:29 (one month ago) Permalink

agree that the triple-timeline thing was surprisingly well-executed

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:30 (one month ago) Permalink

oh wow i fucked that up: "“You ever been some place you couldn’t leave and you couldn’t stay?”

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (one month ago) Permalink

that line gave me a strong sense of melancholy

mh, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (one month ago) Permalink

It's a good line.

ryan, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 17:31 (one month ago) Permalink

Is this a recommendation, then? Too much actual family dementia has made me leery of seeing it in my entertainments. But I loved Ali in Moonlight (the only thing I loved in Moonlight) and want to see more.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:10 (one month ago) Permalink

If it's worth it, more than happy to pretend S2 never happened.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 15 January 2019 18:11 (one month ago) Permalink

almost too early to say, chuck, re your leeriness. imo.

“You ever been some place you couldn’t leave and you couldn’t stay?”

def reminded me of the depths of my worst depression episodes (before seeking treatment). (tmi.)

andrew m., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 20:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I guess there's some sense that this is gonna also intersect in some way with Season 1? Intriguing.

who is the true pig bodine???

j., Tuesday, 15 January 2019 23:50 (one month ago) Permalink

I like a good police procedural, and if this is a solid police procedural with good plotting and solid acting that is well-shot, I'm in. If it rehashes or reuses some of the things from the first season, I'm good with that, too. I suspect that any perceived connections at this point are red herrings, though.

Hays is a certified badass, isn't he?

TrumpPence a Bag (B.L.A.M.), Wednesday, 16 January 2019 01:36 (one month ago) Permalink

^

Ali is good and the show is probably worth watching for that alone

calstars, Wednesday, 16 January 2019 03:37 (one month ago) Permalink

this year is great. so far possibly surpasses season 1 IMO.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

loving it. it's like --man brushes teeth /OMINOUS MUSIC PLAY IN BACKGROUND/ but it works

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i didn't even recognize the sober father at first. dude looks like he lost a ton of weight between the timelines; but I think it was just a shave and a haircut.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

scoot mcnairy very underrated in general imo

that might be my love of the last couple seasons of "halt and catch fire" talking

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 19:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

its ok, not a patch on season 1

johnny crunch, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

not sure. I have a feeling that this story will resolve in a more satisfying way than season 1. there's still time for it to go tits up I suppose.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:25 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've enjoyed this season so far too, seems like they've managed to refine what was good about the first season (the interplay between different time periods, the complex relationship between the two cops) while omitting the stuff that didn't really work, like the adolescent nihilist philosophising or the horror-flavoured hints that ultimately amounted to nothing. I also like how they avoid season 1's misstep of making the women insignificant by having the main female character have an interest of her own in the case, thus giving her proper agency.

So I'm hoping with this season TD finally lives up to promise of the first handful of episodes of season, before it fell flat. (I never watched season 2 because I was so disappointed how season 1 concluded, but based on what I've heard I guess I didn't miss much?)

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:27 (three weeks ago) Permalink

oh I wouldn't put it that way exactly lol

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:29 (three weeks ago) Permalink

there was a lot going on in season 2

perhaps too much

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

"time is a flat circle" and the yellow king and "making flowers" were why people watched s1. they are not "what didn't work"

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:35 (three weeks ago) Permalink

They are what lured people in, but ultimately they were also what made the first season disappointing, cos they turned out to nothing superficial texture and nothing more. So far this season has been quite enjoyable without stuff like that.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the very end was a little too rote gross family/incest/texas chainsaw massacre for sure

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:40 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think s1 could have made good on all those creepy promises. that ending/finale was one of the all time TV letdowns

calumy (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 22 January 2019 20:53 (three weeks ago) Permalink

yeah all those gret things about season 1, in the end, didn't amount to jack shit from what I recall.

Season 2: had two great scenes, one was at that house (sex party? brothel? can't remember) and the other was watching fucking Vince Vaughn bleed to death in the desert (just wish fulfillment for me) and the rest of it was .... I can't remember a single thing. Bird heads that meant nothing.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:34 (three weeks ago) Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vF8GVXj9jw&

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

that entire subplot w/Velcoro recording notes to his son was... something

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

My lesson from S2 was that Vince Vaughan is a terrible fucking actor when he's not doing comedy.

The primary appeal of season 1 (for me) was watching two famous-ass charismatic movie stars being fun as hell to watch. So I didn't mind so much that the story puttered at the end because the focus was still on Woody and Matt being fucking weird and fun. I rewatched the famous long take scene recently and couldn't figure what the fuss was about.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:52 (three weeks ago) Permalink

(Which is to say, S2's big problem wasn't the dumb convoluted story but the boring leads. Even Rachel McAdams was a misfire.)

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:54 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the entire season one shtick where Harrelson is a cheater gets really close to derailing into the "HBO means we can be graphic" trap when he ends up hooking up with the woman he helped out as a child

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 21:55 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think that understates the terrible/insane choices made at every level of production on Season 2, Chuck

I mean 50% of the dialogue is not of this earth

Number None, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:11 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I've come around on Colin Farrell and he could've been great but yeah he had *nothing* to work with

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Colin Farrell is a good actor. I forgot he was even in season 2.

akm, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 22:16 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Oh god, you're right, I forgot about Colin Farrell's school bully subplot. He did his best in th circumstances. They should've just had Danny mcbride in the role.

To me Farrell seems like a charismatic actor who's never well cast. Fright Night's the only thing that sticks out that I can recall.

Chuck_Tatum, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:03 (three weeks ago) Permalink

fiend for mojitos

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

iirc

j., Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:05 (three weeks ago) Permalink

otm

I guess his personal life went off the rails at some point and it’s been a rocky comeback for his career

mh, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

he's great in the Lobster

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 22 January 2019 23:17 (three weeks ago) Permalink

well either he's bluffing or...

People have noted the comparison to the West Memphis 3 “Satanic panic” case, how of much of that is an inspiration if any?

Not at all. You’re moved off that pretty quickly. It’s really not informed by that.

Number None, Thursday, 24 January 2019 15:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

good

calumy (rip van wanko), Thursday, 24 January 2019 16:00 (three weeks ago) Permalink

the dialogue in this show is very bad.

the first date scene in the latest episode was a case in point.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 20:30 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah lots of cringeworthy dialog in that episode unfortunately

Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

- so you're a catholic, eh
- yeah. you?
- baptist
- I knew a baptist guy in vietnam
- oh yeah, what happened to him?
**stares out window and quietly makes a gun shot sound**

Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 20:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

hahaha

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:03 (two weeks ago) Permalink

imagine a guy from arkansas saying "knew a baptist guy in vietnam" in the first place. like you knew plenty of baptist folks in general you're form arkansas ffs

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:04 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I bought it as a thing he says to all baptists

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

or maybe even more generally, say at the grocery store:

- twinkies, eh?
- yeah.
- more of ho ho man myself
- I knew a ho ho guy in vietnam
- oh yeah, what happened to him?
**stares at magazine rack and quietly makes a gun shot sound**

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:22 (two weeks ago) Permalink

or returning from duty in vietnam:

- survived vietnam, eh?
- yeah.
- more of a get-shot-in-vietnam man myself
- I knew a get-shot-in-vietnam guy in vietnam
- oh yeah, what happened to him?
**stares at 'more of ho ho man myself' in ilx post**

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:29 (two weeks ago) Permalink

it's a good show u ding dongs

calumy (rip van wanko), Monday, 28 January 2019 21:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i agree but last night's episode was not great

Heez, Monday, 28 January 2019 21:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp i knew a ding dong guy in vietnam

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

insert ho ho ho chi minh joek

Οὖτις, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I like the dialogue!

ryan, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i knew a dialogue guy in vietnam

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 22:37 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This is the episode that Milch worked on iirc...

Number None, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

lol.

like that part made me chuckle. plus the weird beat after where you are waiting for a cut or for the next scene and it doesn't come. i also thought the date scene at the nice restaurant was tremendous! so many evasions and doubled meanings.

tbf i also liked the dialogue in season 2...but only Farrell was really up to it. the bizarre and often pulpy flourishes in the writing are what keep this show a head above stately prestige tv fair, imo.

ryan, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:42 (two weeks ago) Permalink

xp

ryan, Monday, 28 January 2019 22:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

"how you wear that badge?" "it's got a little clip on it" had me dyin

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 28 January 2019 23:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the bit in the restaurant were he goes "i don't like that word unless it's applied to a man" about the word pussy and she goes "what do you prefer?" or whatevs and he says "cockholster" and they both find it hilarious made me groan

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

woah tmi

why date Ryan Adams in the first place? (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

pfft

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 28 January 2019 23:28 (two weeks ago) Permalink

the bit in the restaurant were he goes "i don't like that word unless it's applied to a man" about the word pussy and she goes "what do you prefer?" or whatevs and he says "cockholster" and they both find it hilarious made me groan

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, January 28, 2019

he said "dickholster," which isn't as good (which is why you fixed it for him lol)

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 29 January 2019 00:56 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i really like the actors that play the kids parents. she's great in the 'i have the soul of a whore' scene

Heez, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 03:43 (two weeks ago) Permalink

David Milch cowrote this episode and the unrealisitic dialogue showed it (particularly in the argument Hays had with his wife and 'soul of a whore')

akm, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 14:40 (two weeks ago) Permalink

That bit where the TV producer/interviewer says “I’m not going to show you all my cards yet” was like oh hello contrived detective show.

DJI, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:07 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I keep thinking of Sarah Gadon's presence in Cronenberg films and expect the interviews to go in a weird direction

mh, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 16:15 (two weeks ago) Permalink

It's pretty facile to point to Milch as the primary reason for "unrealistic" dialogue. Pizzolatto is more than capable of that on his own

Number None, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:36 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I can definitely see them bringing out the worst in each other though

Number None, Tuesday, 29 January 2019 17:38 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i liked her line about 'you only stand upright out of habit' though.

akm, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 06:54 (two weeks ago) Permalink

yeah that was a thump to the chest

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 18:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

thought last night's ep was much better.

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 February 2019 17:03 (one week ago) Permalink

they're definitely having fun with the multiple era linkage

the scene where the older, senile Hays is looking for his family only to see a flashback to the '90s, and the flashback Hays is remembering his blood-covered self from a decade earlier in the window reflection was a interesting visual linkage

mh, Monday, 4 February 2019 17:27 (one week ago) Permalink

kind of felt like most of this episode was treading water though it did have two major things in it (the phone call from Julie and the reunion of the two detectives); but it took a long time to get there. guess it's the mid-point in the series though.

intrigued by Julie's "the man pretending to be my dad" comment.

also clearly by the 'present' time it appears that she has never resurfaced.

akm, Monday, 4 February 2019 18:04 (one week ago) Permalink

they may play it a different way, but given her phone call and the drifter kid's description of things she'd said, I get the impression that she was abducted and also brainwashed by whoever took her into thinking her dad was a horrible abuser

the cops seemed as if they were suspicious he might be culpable, though

mh, Monday, 4 February 2019 18:11 (one week ago) Permalink

i liked that episode! so bill clinton did all of this, right

Heez, Monday, 4 February 2019 19:31 (one week ago) Permalink

Pizzolattogate

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Monday, 4 February 2019 19:33 (one week ago) Permalink

So, based on how this week's episode, it seems either the story does tie in with season 1, or else they're just imitating its plot a bit too closely. Still, it's nice to story is finally moving forward, and I did appreaciate the talk Hays had with his son about his infidelity and about fear, that was a good little scene.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 February 2019 17:58 (five days ago) Permalink

"So, based on how this week's episode, it seems either the story does tie in with season 1" ??? how so?

My feeling is that this will end fairly unsurprisingly although probably in a satisfactory manner. My guess is the wife sold off the daughter, or gave the daughter to someone; or they took her for some reason. Perhaps dude wasn't the real father after all as implied. Wife was certainly paid to do something for those 8 years; guy new exactly which house to go to.

The scene of him entering the house was a little too You Were Never Really Here though.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:25 (five days ago) Permalink

unless you mean the secret society...in which case, yeah, maybe those do connect.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 18:29 (five days ago) Permalink

Yeah that's what I meant... Both seasons have rich and powerful local authority figures (Tuttle in S1, Hoyt in this one) kidnapping girls for sinister reasons... And we know Tuttle's conspiracy was active in the early '90s, so either there's a connection, or they're really just rehashing ideas from season one.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 February 2019 19:49 (five days ago) Permalink

Maybe Pizzolatto is even trying to make up for how pointless and anticlimactic the whole conspiracy plot turned out to be in S1... I doubt this one is gonna end with a corny horror movie villain.

Tuomas, Monday, 11 February 2019 19:59 (five days ago) Permalink

I'm really creeped out by pink prison basement

I was initially scared that the cop-turned-security guy was going to flip a switch and Tom would get locked in that room with the bank vault door without seeing a soul

mh, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:02 (five days ago) Permalink

I'm guessing Tom kills cop-turned-security guy which is why he vanished during the second investigation. not sure what's going to happen to tom though.

akm, Monday, 11 February 2019 20:07 (five days ago) Permalink

this is a show where my immediate response is "yeah, I hope he takes out that guy. had it coming."

mh, Monday, 11 February 2019 21:18 (five days ago) Permalink

My current theory is that Julie is safe in 1990 and is being put in danger by the investigation and that maybe even Hayes and West are being used by certain "nefarious men" to find her.

ryan, Monday, 11 February 2019 22:11 (five days ago) Permalink

this season is not bringing me joy, less so than even season 2 :(

johnny crunch, Monday, 11 February 2019 22:15 (five days ago) Permalink

I like mahershadorff more than mattharrelson. so I will enjoy the last quarter of this season no matter what.

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 11 February 2019 22:48 (five days ago) Permalink

just hope mahershala says that time is a conic frustum before it's over

say it with sausages (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 11 February 2019 22:49 (five days ago) Permalink


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