MOTION SMOOTHING or "soap opera mode" on HDTV

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Re the viral Tom Cruise appeal... Both those phrases mean the same thing, right? Because I watched the Judy Garland film The Clock at my sister's house at Thanksgiving, and it looked like shit.

I cannot beeleeeeve most people can't see the difference (but then again I can't hear "awful production" on Husker Du records).

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/tom-cruise-hdtv-motion-smoothing-disable-psa-1203080805/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:06 (five months ago) Permalink

it's bad

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:09 (five months ago) Permalink

ha ha! that was close to my experience at Thanksgiving as well

Dan S, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:11 (five months ago) Permalink

it hurts my eyes so much

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:11 (five months ago) Permalink

if i complain about this or the aspect ratio being wrong, they look at me like i have OCD.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:12 (five months ago) Permalink

it makes me furious

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:12 (five months ago) Permalink

It feels like restaurant inside Terminal 5 has been playing La Dolce Vida in the wrong aspect ratio for years

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:13 (five months ago) Permalink

how much of Anita Ekberg is cut off?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:14 (five months ago) Permalink

Some of the hotels I've stayed at in the last year or two default to this and lock down the ability to change it back.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:16 (five months ago) Permalink

xp yeah, after all the advances we've made in the aspect ratio wars, we're going to lose to this garbled faux-60fps crap?

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:17 (five months ago) Permalink

you can turn off hotel locks if you google make/model.

Toss another shrimpl air on the bbqbbq (ledge), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:18 (five months ago) Permalink

If I want to change the aspect ratio while I'm watching a movie I just turn my iPhone 90-degrees, what's the big deal.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:18 (five months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/hbDvGNC.png

✈️✈️ (pplains), Monday, 10 December 2018 01:25 (five months ago) Permalink

a+

johnny crunch, Monday, 10 December 2018 01:48 (five months ago) Permalink

It's amazing, when you think about it, that simple framerate has such an effect on our perception of the context in which the story is being told. The other one is the film simulation / "film grading" to which shows shot on HD video are subjected so that we take them seriously - e.g. Mad Men switched to DV half way through its run, and lots of new shows are film-ized DV (as of course are many feature films).
It seems silly. But so powerful psychologically. I recently bought a TV and took a blu-ray of The Master with me so I could use its extraordinary cinematography as a test - it looked like garish TV demo shit until, to the store clerk's bafflement, I went through and switched off all of the motion, colour and noise processing from the menu. Now it has absolutely the best and most film-like presentation of any TV I have ever owned.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 10 December 2018 02:30 (five months ago) Permalink

It seems many people do not adjust any settings after taking home their new TV, so the contrast and brightness are left jacked up to headache-inducing levels and every compression artifact shines as clear as day.

The motion smoothing effect is indeed terrible. Since Windows does not support Blu-ray I bought some software to play the format and was disappointed when I played a disc and perceived this "feature"... luckily I was able to turn it off.

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapük), Monday, 10 December 2018 05:53 (five months ago) Permalink

I almost had a heart attack when I bought my TV and tried testing it with Return of the King and it looked horrible. The smoothing is supposed to help with sports broadcasts, but I think it's just as bad there. There is no justification for this to be the default and for there to be no instructions for how to un-fuck your TV.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 10 December 2018 06:30 (five months ago) Permalink

i was home this weekend and yet again my parents had turned back on the motion smoothing and aggressively saturated colours on their tv that i secretly turn off whenever i get the chance in a soul-destroying war of attrition that neither side, it seems, will ever acknowledge is happening

apollo 13 was on and it was painful to watch it play like a garish telenovela

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 10:47 (five months ago) Permalink

otoh sport on the web-based iplayer at 60FPS is glorious

single bed mentality (||||||||), Monday, 10 December 2018 13:14 (five months ago) Permalink

is it actual 60fps tho? i wouldn't know as i am allergic to sport(s)

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 13:18 (five months ago) Permalink

Of course you are (as I am).

This one time when I was in SF, I was standing on the beach on a very dark and foggy night and all I could see was this series of encroaching white lines as the waves rolled in, and it filled me with this weird cosmic dread that I could never quite put my finger on. The only time I've ever felt anything quite like it was when I was at my brother's place and he put the Head Blu-ray on. I didn't, at that time, have a name for what was wrong with his TV, but I just kept gibbering to myself, 'it shouldn't look like Peter Tork is right there on the other side of the glass, this...this isn't right.'

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 13:28 (five months ago) Permalink

just what you need, another way for Head to mess with your head.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 December 2018 13:37 (five months ago) Permalink

Seems like whenever I see someone's HD telly it looks surprisingly rubbish, like what's all the fuss about? I guess this is why? The modern version of the contrast being up too high.

The First (Noel Emits), Monday, 10 December 2018 13:57 (five months ago) Permalink

I guess our TV is too old for this to have been the default? Because it definitely stands out as a 'feature' of every other HDTV I happen upon.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:04 (five months ago) Permalink

i guess there's a few things going on here:

- one is the weird historical fact that filmed entertainment is still shackled to a framerate imposed by the limitations of century-old technology
- nonetheless, the 'feel' of that procession of still images has become totally ingrained in our brains as the way tv and film motion has to look, and deviation from it is extremely offputting
- and yet some absolute savages are willing to accept - nay, choose for themselves - the worst of all possible worlds, where 24fps content is artificially fucked-with to double its frame-rate and give everything the horrifying uncanny-valley appearance of a soap opera

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:08 (five months ago) Permalink

like i have in my pocket a phone with a video camera capable of shooting 4k video at 60fps and even when i watch it back, despite it being captured natively at 60fps, it still looks weird and too-real to me

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:10 (five months ago) Permalink

I'm generally torn between favoring the tendency to clean up and sharpen every filmed thing in existence and my desire that, for instance, '70s TV shows look dingy and washed out and like you're barely able to get your rabbit ears in the right position to pick them up, and that '80s horror films look like they were recorded off of Cinemax onto a fourth-generation VHS tape (and which is missing the last ten minutes because someone taped an episode of Major Dad over them).

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:17 (five months ago) Permalink

(I rather enjoy these newfangled cable networks like MeTV which broadcast ancient shows and are almost stubbornly, perversely SD. They look like they somehow managed to smear Vaseline on the actual broadcast signal.)

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:21 (five months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

This was on a TV at a friend's house we were borrowing for a week. I can... see the appeal. My extensive test suite of Alien and Columbo looked super sharp, like they'd been shot in HD digital. It did have a weird soap-opera feel; I think this was because it looked ultra-real, as though you could step through the screen into the image, as distinct from the warm fuzzy glow of old celluloid. I found it off-putting because it wasn't what I expected and I eventually turned it off but I'm sure there are people who either don't notice or actually think it looks great.

large bananas pregnant (ledge), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 08:45 (two months ago) Permalink

I can... see the appeal

mods pls delete this

invited to an unexpected ninja presentation (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 09:56 (two months ago) Permalink

sorry i'm a libra

large bananas pregnant (ledge), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 10:13 (two months ago) Permalink

Stayed at an airbnb on the south coast last week and watched Children of Men one night on their big wall-mounted LG telly. We paused it twice to try and lose the high-framerate digital video look and couldn't quite do it*. It seemed to be buried in the LG menus; you'd have thought "Movie" mode alone would be sufficient, but not really. The next day I found "Expert Mode", which had low- and high-ambient light presets and the former looked better for film. But nothing explicitly seemed to allow you to defeat the motion smoothing.

(* - this is where someone tells me that Cuaron filmed CoM on HDV at 50fps and it's supposed to look like that)

And then I watched a 1970s episode of On The Buses on ITV3 and that looked like 320x240 early-'00s toycam footage blown up. I'll get you Butler!

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 11:05 (two months ago) Permalink

We have an LG and you can turn off motion smoothing for TV and DVDs, but not for stuff playing off a USB -- not sure if thAt was how you were watching

Mince Pramthwart (James Morrison), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 11:16 (two months ago) Permalink

No, it was streaming (can't recall if it was Amazon or Netflix)... we did find a website that described various TruMotion options on LG models, but we couldn't find that menu option at the top-level. Looks like you need to drill down a bit to tweak that? I think I did find it the next day (on or off, no de-blur or de-judder sliders) but, by then, I just wanted to leave the TV the way we found it. Like The Young Doctors On Acid.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 6 March 2019 11:32 (two months ago) Permalink

(* - this is where someone tells me that Cuaron filmed CoM on HDV at 50fps and it's supposed to look like that)

No, Cuaron designed CoM to look actually good.

zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Wednesday, 6 March 2019 14:53 (two months ago) Permalink


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