VICE (2018 where Christian Bale is Dick... Dick Cheney)

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Adam McKay reveals that after making VICE, when he suffered a heart attack, he told the med-tech who did his stent that he’d just finished a pic about Cheney, and the guy held a beat before saying, “Dick Cheney: great American.” McKay hesitantly replied, “Well, it’s complicated.”

— Scott Feinberg (@ScottFeinberg) December 3, 2018

flappy bird, Monday, 3 December 2018 07:26 (one month ago) Permalink

fuck that shit. Cheney was on Meet the Press yesterday sharing his loving memories of the late president whose legacy he sullied.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 14:52 (one month ago) Permalink

two weeks pass...

Embargo seems to have (finally) lifted after getting pushed back multiple times.

Understandably. Film Twitter hates its guts.

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:50 (one month ago) Permalink

A sample ...

Review: Adam McKay's 'Vice' (★) is the worst film of the year https://t.co/rhCWRjr36I pic.twitter.com/XKGTIxj8er

— Erik Anderson (@awards_watch) December 17, 2018

I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:51 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah it looks dreadful

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:58 (one month ago) Permalink

that's kind. I felt disembowled watching it

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:09 (one month ago) Permalink

I refuse to believe that there is any human being on the planet who actually wants to see this movie.

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:09 (one month ago) Permalink

the Academy may surprise you

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Only a small step linguistically from 'vice' to 'vicious'.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:10 (one month ago) Permalink

I can imagine a good movie about Dick Cheney but I can't imagine a good movie about Dick Cheney made by Adam McKay

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:10 (one month ago) Permalink

Biopics are basically never good as it is, why buy a ticket to one that evokes such wretched things as Saturday night live and films starring Michael sheen god rest his soul

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:11 (one month ago) Permalink

Actually that reminds me

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:12 (one month ago) Permalink

I wanted to believe that this might be like Game Change, which is the only political biopic I can think of that I like and maybe the only biopic that I like period. Biopics are a really dumb idea, generally.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:26 (one month ago) Permalink

I counted one pleasurable thing in this terrible picture: Steve Carrell, about whom I've never written a kind word.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:34 (one month ago) Permalink

I am looking forward to this. I like what McKay said about GWB being far worse than Trump. I liked Oliver Stone's W. quite a bit and the cast on this is equally nuts - surprised it's getting slammed considering how acclaimed The Big Short was, but I'm not about to read any reviews, I don't want to be "spoiled" (please though tell me if he shoots that guy in the face in this movie)

flappy bird, Monday, 17 December 2018 19:44 (one month ago) Permalink

how much of Cheney's pre-2000 life/career is covered? looks like not much. No one plays Ford or Poppy, do they?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:44 (one month ago) Permalink

can a mod close the parentheses on 2018 in the thread title please

flappy bird, Monday, 17 December 2018 19:45 (one month ago) Permalink

xp Ford is in the movie, dunno about GHWB

flappy bird, Monday, 17 December 2018 19:46 (one month ago) Permalink

i see that Bill Camp does play Ford

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:46 (one month ago) Permalink

surprised it's getting slammed considering how acclaimed The Big Short was

Mainstream critics were nuts in 2015 too

how much of Cheney's pre-2000 life/career is covered? looks like not much

Almost an hour's worth. Only Rockwell gets screen time.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:46 (one month ago) Permalink

Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Poppy get glimpses and a line or two.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Bill Pullman as Nelson Rockefeller

heh, i might watch a feature with this guy at the center

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:47 (one month ago) Permalink

iMdB also credits a guy playing "Koch Brother"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:50 (one month ago) Permalink

cam someone spoil the Jesse Plemons/narrator "reveal" pls, cause I am never gonna see this but I am vaguely curious

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 December 2018 00:48 (four weeks ago) Permalink

Soto's review is excellent btw

https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2018/12/22/vice/

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 December 2018 00:59 (four weeks ago) Permalink

learning that this has Tyler Perry as Powell makes me wish Fincher had tackled Cheney instead

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 December 2018 00:59 (four weeks ago) Permalink

aw, thank you

have you watched it yet?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 December 2018 01:39 (four weeks ago) Permalink

The movie being made, however shitty it may be, is worth it for your review, which is really smart.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 December 2018 04:44 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I have not seen it and likely won't

resident hack (Simon H.), Sunday, 23 December 2018 07:14 (four weeks ago) Permalink

could be a hit as libs are now passionately defending the war in Afghanistan

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 04:21 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Just because it's not for some dumb movie nobody gives *me* any credit for my astonishing physical transformation into Dick Cheney.

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) December 26, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:39 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I don't know how much energy I want to put into defending this, but I didn't mind it at all. McKay does a some of the gimmicky stuff he did in The Big Short; some of it I didn't like (Cheney's puppet idea), sometimes I was on the fence (Alfred Molina's scene), at least once I thought it worked well (the fake ending--it actually made me think of Casey Stengel and Pauline Kael, two other people with surprise second acts). I thought Bale disappeared into his role just as well as he did in American Hustle (not exactly a favourite here either). Could have done without the graphic heart transplant, and I don't think I'd see it a second time, but sorry, thought it was generally fine.

clemenza, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:22 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Saw it last night in a packed theater and felt about the same. As with The Big Short, it connects dots for an audience that otherwise might never read a book that does.

... (Eazy), Saturday, 29 December 2018 05:45 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There are less condescending ways to connect dots, though. McKay is the obnoxious uncle pinching your cheeks.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 December 2018 12:20 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I like this review (I'd forgotten about the Shakespearean detour...another one where I was on the fence)--mostly that it gives Bale due credit. If I had to single out one guy as the best working actor (or at least best highly visible one) since Philip Seymour Hoffman's death, I'd go with either Bale or Joaquin Phoenix.

http://www.vulture.com/2018/12/vice-is-gimmicky-but-christian-bales-cheney-is-spot-on.html

clemenza, Saturday, 29 December 2018 21:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Nick Pinkerton:

Now, humor is a fickle and subjective thing, but for the record, I laughed aloud exactly once while watching Vice, at the moment when Tyler Perry first appeared in the role of Colin Powell. More often the film is only embarrassing in its flinging about for novelty, the identifiable low point being a scene that imagines Dick and Lynne openly expressing their will-to-power in iambic pentameter, a burlesque of the Shakespearian soliloquy.

It’s a clumsy, loveless pastiche that plays to an assumed viewer who thinks that old-timey talk is weird and funny—a sharp contrast to the attitude of Orson Welles, a fiercely political artist who took great pains to bring theater- and cinemagoers a vivid, contemporary Bill Shakespeare, well knowing that this quintessentially Elizabethan artist could be vital to understanding modern power and its corruption....

http://4columns.org/pinkerton-nick/vice

Superstar Bale generally annoys me, his Oscar performance even more than the two Dark Knights I endured. And this after being one of the great juvenile actors... much like Leo.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 4 January 2019 17:11 (two weeks ago) Permalink

agreed that it's been all downhill for Bale after Batbale. which is a bummer, cuz right up to that point he was p consistently great.

Οὖτις, Friday, 4 January 2019 17:13 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i liked the Big Short well enough but my god this was baaaaad

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 4 January 2019 17:18 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I saw this on Xmas Day and found it overwhelming sad. It left me in tears. That's not an endorsement. It reminded me of my dad's reaction after seeing Oliver Stone's World Trade Center in 2006. Watching the 00s compressed into 2 hours was just titanically depressing. I don't have much to say about the film itself other than a) Bale was great, b) the camp angle, which worked in The Big Short imo, felt completely inappropriate here, c) it felt like a rush job. I heard someone make a good point about these two movies, basically that McKay has found a way to teach recent history to dumb people. and even though I thought the tone was off, McKay is well-intentioned and recognizes how much of a monster Cheney is/was (I appreciated his comments to RS about preferring Trump over W.), so I can't say I hated the film or found it morally reprehensible like Zero Dark Thirty. Still, I don't ever want to revisit this movie or read anything about it or talk about it ever again.

flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 17:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

In all honesty, I cannot think of the last time I disliked a film enough that I left angry (at the film, at the people who made it, at the people who like it--towards whomever or whatever it is that you're supposed to be angry). That's not necessarily a good thing; I guess I just don't care enough anymore to feel that way. That's reflected in my ratings on the "last (x)" thread. Most everything I see falls into the 6/6.5/7 range.

clemenza, Friday, 4 January 2019 18:55 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Bale should really stop taking himself so damn seriously and make a comedy.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

time for a Bale/DDL buddy cop comedy imho

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:57 (two weeks ago) Permalink

with Shelley Long and orangutan as co-stars

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 January 2019 18:59 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Brendan James offers a sorta-quasi-defense (I have no stance as yet, though I might see it tomorrow):

The negative reviews instead tend to focus on McKay’s job as writer and director. One of the most common complaints relates to his understanding of politics and the resulting portrayal of Cheney. A representative critique comes from national security writer and onetime Iraq War supporter Fred Kaplan, who declares that the director is out of his depth: “McKay reportedly read some very good books about Cheney . . . but his own grasp of Washington politics is thin.”

Kaplan calls the film an example of Lenin’s term “infantile leftism” (a phrase that does not mean what he thinks it does). In this reading, Vice “fails as history” by treating Cheney & Co. as power-hungry opportunists rather than sincere ideological mandarins. He cites a scene in which a young Cheney asks Rumsfeld, “what do we believe?” which leaves the latter doubled over laughing:

"The film portrays Cheney’s political ambition as entirely cynical, geared toward nothing but power for its own sake. […] In fact both men, especially Cheney, were deeply conservative. To discount their ideological impulses gives them too little credit for their egregious actions."

Sure, the cynicism in that scene is played up for laughs. But the fact is that, like Rumsfeld (once known as a pain in Nixon’s ass for pushing for an end to the Vietnam War), Cheney embraced a jumble of principles and positions throughout his entire career. He was, at different moments in his life, a budget hawk, a "deficits-don't-matter" guy, a practitioner of realpolitik, and, finally, an insatiable warmaker. In a strange pattern, each ideological shift happened to enable a new way for him to advance his career, enrich his allies, and expand US hegemony.

https://jewishcurrents.org/review/mission-not-accomplished-vice/

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:50 (two weeks ago) Permalink

I left early. I knew how it ended

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 7 January 2019 19:52 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Kaplan calls the film an example of Lenin’s term “infantile leftism” (a phrase that does not mean what he thinks it does).

lol

Οὖτις, Monday, 7 January 2019 19:53 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Worst post-credits scene of all time.

Probably funded by the Bush family.

Amy Adams' Lynne Cheney telling amassed Wyoming cowboys that she's for keeping her bra ON! [cheers]

forrest drumpf (Eric H.), Wednesday, 9 January 2019 17:01 (one week ago) Permalink

ttly agree w lots said upthread, i liked the big short & generally like mckay but applying those techniques did not work and prob wasnt a good idea here

the plemmons naration/reveal is also just not a cogent idea imo

also, minor but idk what or why it would be phrased how it was -- one of the final displayed statements re: the yoo memo -- the text shown read something like "this memo is still on DOJ computers to this day" uh ok, you mean its installed like microsoft office ?

johnny crunch, Wednesday, 9 January 2019 23:04 (one week ago) Permalink

complete dogshit

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 January 2019 05:30 (one week ago) Permalink

McKay should be flayed for the "Shakespeare scene" alone

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 10 January 2019 05:44 (one week ago) Permalink

meanwhile this review makes me wish I liked it more

Our fascination for Cheney may ebb and flow, but throughout the film, Vice never equivocates on the fact that he is the enemy. It’s telling that there are no heroes in the story of Washington power games from 2000 to 2008: it should come as no surprise that McKay is a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, part of a growing movement that sees the economic and foreign policies of mainstream Democrats and Republicans, not as opposed to one another, so much as variations on a theme.9 As a bellwether, Vice stands alongside Boots Riley’s Sorry to Bother You—another imaginative and flawed film that aims to instruct popular audiences about the nature of power under capitalism, not just alongside, but through entertainment. If in the end, it's only the sum of its parts and not more, Vice remains an energizing experiment, one that contorts itself according to audience, influence, subject, style; a bewildering reflection on a moment of bewilderment—a Permanent Now extending from 9/11 to today, a state of emergency that some among our leadership seem adamant to bring to the swiftest and bloodiest possible end. Nevertheless, a reckless pursuit of such a vision can, at times, be too difficult to distinguish from a lack of control, and a theory-driven provocation of the audience can often feel, in practice, like disregard. A glorious neoprogressive cinema remains, alas, still in the wings.

https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/the-compleat-angler-adam-mckay-s-vice

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 11 January 2019 14:11 (one week ago) Permalink

I didn't really glean the "no heroes" element while watching it, but at the same time, it's not entirely radical to have no heroes in a movie about U.S. politics.

forrest drumpf (Eric H.), Friday, 11 January 2019 14:30 (one week ago) Permalink

an energizing experiment, say

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 11 January 2019 14:31 (one week ago) Permalink

a bewildering reflection on a moment of bewilderment—a Permanent Now extending from 9/11 to today, a state of emergency

this is otm and why i found the movie so depressing

flappy bird, Friday, 11 January 2019 17:35 (one week ago) Permalink


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