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Proceed with caution. I just finished the first season--I enjoyed it (and will start the second season tonight), but I'm sure there'll be some ridicule on this thread, with which I won't argue too strenuously. Throw plausibility out the window--I liked the general atmosphere and the performances (some of which, like the villainous head hillbilly, are quite over the top--in that instance, it's like over-the-top underplaying). It's basically one big gloss on Breaking Bad, except Jason Bateman's character out-Walters Walter White in his ability to talk himself out of the most perilous situations.

One thing I really liked near the end of the finale is the way it directly comments on the Tony Soprano-Don Draper-Walter White lineage of lead men who, without meaning to, often ruin the lives of those around them--family, business associates, casual acquaintances, everyone. (Stop reading here if you plan to watch.) A preacher who's wavering in his faith after his wife is murdered (thanks to events set in motion by Bateman's character) says he knows there must be a god, though, because (looking at Bateman) "If the devil exists then God exists, and you're the devil."

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 00:12 (ten months ago) link

I'm halfway through the second season. It's pretty meh. Ruth is the only good character left.

Yerac, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 00:34 (ten months ago) link

By the way, I know I shouldn't be using "hillbilly"--what is the more acceptable term right now (I honestly don't know--it's not a big issue in Canada)? One of the show's strengths, actually, is that the Ozark locals are anything but what the stereotype is (and how Bateman treats them, albeit solicitously)--Ruth Langmore and the Snells play Bateman more than he plays them, and Wyatt Langmore seems like more of an authentic intellectual than Bateman's daughter.

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 00:40 (ten months ago) link

I think because I watched the new Arrested Development recently, I'm kind of over Bateman's schtick (who I used to like as an actor) and even think Laura Linney is bad this season. I want to bail on the second season. I dunno yet. I might also be mad that they killed off the one other interesting character.

Yerac, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 00:46 (ten months ago) link

I thought Linney was great as always the first season; also liked the FBI agent, their downstairs neighbor, Ruth, Wyatt, and Rachel (Jordana Spiro--she reminds me of Pamela Reed). And the son fits in well with all the odd, spacey kids his age that have populated movies and TV the past couple of decades: The Ice Storm, The Squid & the Whale, Glen Bishop from Mad Men, there are a bunch of them.

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 01:03 (ten months ago) link

I liked Jordana Spiro in that weird show she used to be on (My Boys?), but she is also grating Season 2.

Yerac, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 02:34 (ten months ago) link

why is the cinematography all SO DARK tho. can’t watch this in the day time

single bed mentality (||||||||), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 07:54 (ten months ago) link

You wanted a better look at Bateman Butt?

Yerac, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 12:44 (ten months ago) link

Yerac: felt it starting to slip away in the second episode. Wendy's extortion of the senator's husband was too hokey even for House of Cards, and when Rachel reappears, she's someone who barely resembles her former self (with no indication in the first season that any of this was within her--she seemed quite solid). Something that had to happen sooner or later in season 1: the Ozark Mountain Daredevils on the soundtrack.

clemenza, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 12:48 (ten months ago) link

Yeah, when Rachel showed up I was like "when did that happen?" I think we are on episode 5 right now. You like the FBI guy, I find him annoying too. Why am I watching this show!?!

Yerac, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 12:51 (ten months ago) link

This looked so ugly that I didn't make it past the first episode.

adam the (abanana), Wednesday, 21 November 2018 01:01 (nine months ago) link

I stuck with it, and while I could fill a few screens with implausibilities and problems--the biggest, for me, being that it seemed at times like the same endless argument between Bateman and Linney, each one taking turns one-upping the other--I'm glad I did. The performances stayed generally strong, though the FBI guy lapsed into a cartoon villain, Julia Garner went over-the-top occasionally, and I probably had more tolerance for Bateman than almost anybody else would. Prediction, not a spoiler: the Helen Mirren-like lawyer who is forever making reference to her shadowy client actually is the cartel (she was sinister at first--she's less good the more they try to soften her). I was wondering if there was going to be a third season; there is.

Not sure, but I think the first movie or TV show I've ever seen that used "Wichita Lineman." Fantastically, of course.

clemenza, Sunday, 25 November 2018 17:53 (nine months ago) link

The lawyer was also on season 2 of Jessica Jones as more or less the same type of character. It's weird, I assumed they have used Wichita Lineman a lot in shows/movies but I can't think of any off the top of my head. So many versions probably make me think that.

Yerac, Sunday, 25 November 2018 19:14 (nine months ago) link

six months pass...

I'm 3 eps into this and kinda debating whether or not to continue...indeed there are some intriguing & fun parts but it's kind of difficult to get past the overt similarities to Breaking Bad and moments like, y'know, the part where Bateman is about to kill himself, but his son just so happens to mention the Blue Cat Lodge, and how nobody goes there, blah blah blah, and he just happens to be at a crossroads, and look there's the Blue Cat Lodge...not to mention the gay FBI agent subplot...not to mention the lack of any interesting characters whatsoever (all I can see is Michael Bluth)...but still...its kinda alright? Does this show get better?

frogbs, Monday, 10 June 2019 16:51 (three months ago) link

nah not really
every episode I debate the same

kinder, Monday, 10 June 2019 20:58 (three months ago) link

it gets worse as it goes on, watch something else imo

forensic plumber (harbl), Tuesday, 11 June 2019 01:34 (three months ago) link


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