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What's up this year? Lots!

- The housing crisis, Prop 10 and SB 827 (RIP (for now))
- Prop 5 (and the hope of a split roll measure in a couple of years?!)
- Prop 6 (lol this is going to lose I hope)
- When did Gavin Newsom disappoint you first?
- Feinstein vs De Leon (lol) and the state democratic party
- The state republican party (lol)
- Ballot Measure C in SF (this one seems nuts!)
- What is the deal with all the ballot measures, isn't that what we pay these people for?
- high speed rail (lol)
- single payer (lol)

Let's talk about it!

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 14:57 (two years ago) link

someone explain SF measure C to me? is it doomed now breed, weiner, etc. are against it?

re: ballot measure 6, is apparently a lost cause at this point, ha, http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-gas-tax-repeal-campaign-cash-20180930-story.html. but prop 10 is not polling well either (and is kind of a mess legislatively as i understand it): https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/capitol-alert/article219033985.html.

LA measure B (city bank) is cool btw, and the LA times sucks for opposing it.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:01 (two years ago) link

I have no idea what's going to happen to measure C but I hope it passes. The split on the Dem side (Pelosi and various supervisors for it, bu Breed/Weiner/others against it) is kind of weird but idk how many voters really take their marching orders from Breed and Weiner tbh. Whereas everyone I know thinks bajillionaire companies paying more to house the people they've misplaced is a no-brainer.

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:17 (two years ago) link

uh wtf at the DST prop?

I'm really behind the times, yall are going to have to hold my hand as I fill out my ballot. The only ones that seem clear cut to me on first blush are 6 (NO) and 10 (YES).

Catherine Power (Leee), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:38 (two years ago) link

agreed on 6 and 10.

the DST prop changes nothing but it gives the legislature the right to consider and in principle make changes. DST kills a few people people every march. vote yes IMO on that one.

the bond measures (1-4) are all yeses for me.

prop 5 extends the infamous prop 13 (i.e. restricts localities ability to fund education by restricting their ability to tax massive real estate wealth). you could make the case that extends it to be fairer, but any extension of prop 13 makes the task of removing it politically tougher. so no on 5 IMO.

8 11 and 12 are classic examples of "What is the deal with all the ballot measures, isn't that what we pay these people for?" i guess i'd be yes on 8, no on 11 and yes on 12?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:48 (two years ago) link

Sent my ballot in the other day. Yeah C has been worth it just to see Benioff and Jack@Twitter complaining at each other in public.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:50 (two years ago) link

given the financial structure that tech VC encourage (i.e. avoid making a profit), i like that ballot measure C is a tax on revenue, not profits.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:51 (two years ago) link

caek did you go and get naturalized or somethin

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:54 (two years ago) link

no i can't vote, so i'm telling as many people as possible how to vote instead

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:55 (two years ago) link

that's very generous of you; if I couldn't vote I don't know how I could stand researching ballot measures

anyway not californian so y'all can do whatever as long as you don't come for our water

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:57 (two years ago) link

also lol at gerry brown's veto statement for the 4am last call option

https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/SB-905-Veto.pdf

"mischief and mayhem".

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 17:58 (two years ago) link

xp
He's the Frederik B of California!

nickn, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:02 (two years ago) link

ha i do live here fwiw

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:05 (two years ago) link

much as I find the Salesforce tower annoying (I work right next to it), I have to say this guy's allright. Or at least better than most.

Benioff and Salesforce have donated to multiple San Francisco Bay Area causes including $250 million to support hospitals, $11 million to help the homeless, and $50 million to public schools. In his talk, he acknowledges that some of city's business leaders haven't been as generous.

"I have gone hat in hand to every high net worth individual in the city," he said. "I know who is willing to give money, and who isn't. I already have the list. I know if we're going to raise money for our schools, the homeless and hospitals, there's a group of people in our city who are willing to give. And there's a group of people in the city who give nothing based on the level of wealth they have. You're either for the kids, the homeless and the hospitals, or you're for yourself."

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:52 (two years ago) link

graded on a curve he is easily the best of the bunch. SFDC has an obscure business relationship with ICE/CBP though.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:14 (two years ago) link

I have to admit I don't know what Salesforce does.

Catherine Power (Leee), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:16 (two years ago) link

Aside from putting their name on things around the city and buying Metallica.

Catherine Power (Leee), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:17 (two years ago) link

Salesforce makes Rolodex-as-a-Service for your entire company.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:23 (two years ago) link

considering the software they sell is basically a spreadsheet/database combo from the 90s, their research team is also bizarrely good at AI/ML, which is one of their reasons their involvement with CBP is unnerving.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:25 (two years ago) link

I've used a few Salesforce databases in my job and basically a spreadsheet/database combo from the 90s seems about accurate. tbf there was a huge need/demand for this, so their success is not really much of a surprise.

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Tuesday, 16 October 2018 19:46 (two years ago) link

Also it’s a federal election so off topic but it’s interesting because of the top two primary so: the congressional election where I live is between jimmy Gomez (democrat) and a Green Party guy. I believe this is the only two candidate congressional election involving the greens in the country. Based on the lawn signs and the number of times they’ve canvassed our home, the Green Party guy is going to run away with it. (He won’t. He’ll lose by like 40 points.)

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 02:49 (two years ago) link

I can't believe I am actually going to vote for Gavin Newsom for the first time in like 20 years? ... like I actually voted against him for Lt. Gov. because I hated him so much as SF Mayor and before that as appointed stooge to Willie Brown on the Board of Supes ...

otoh I'm kinda cool with Jerry Brown as governor, and I kinda hated him as mayor,

and actually a lot of the current bullshit in Oakland can kinda be laid at his feet, though not really. Like I don't think any one person can be held responsible for the incompetence, venality, and obstructionist idiocy that is a lot of Oakland government: the people that don't have to run for office, so they can be pretty much awful and stupid with few repercussions to their careers.

There's some new local version of Howard Jarvis Taxpayers sending out mailers to Oakland addresses arguing against voting for various property tax measures on principle.

Oh yeah, Yes on Measure Y -- extending Just Cause protection to people that live in duplexes and triplexes (as opposed to currently where it's like 4+ units)

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 05:54 (two years ago) link

yeah latimes had a lot of dirt on newsom a few months ago but he was still one of the favorites

i'm still registered to vote but i'm not in the country anymore, but i would vote for newsom

F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 06:03 (two years ago) link

I'm with sarahell on the mixed feelings about Newsom. He is a guy who I *really* don't like or trust, even when a lot of his policy prescriptions and positions line up with mine. He's just a fucking slimeball that wants to be president really badly. Dunno if I will bother voting for him, he's almost certain to be the winner anyway.

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:35 (two years ago) link

i remember being a local blogger about 10 or so years ago and my fave thing was comparing him to Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:37 (two years ago) link

I think he is also a big fan of Huey Lewis & the News iirc

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:38 (two years ago) link

I can't hate him, he stepped forward to support same-sex marriage at a time when most of the rest of the country was charging in the other direction

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:44 (two years ago) link

comparing him to Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman

yeah you weren't alone in this the similarity is just too eerie

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:54 (two years ago) link

he stepped forward to support same-sex marriage at a time when most of the rest of the country was charging in the other direction when it was most politically advantageous to him personally, handed the GOP a wedge-issue that helped get Dubya re-elected, resulted in the passage of Prop 8 in California actually *banning* gay marriage, and did not actually result in any valid gay marriages

fixed

that whole charade was nauseating, grandstanding at his worst. He knew he didn't have a legal leg to stand on and did it for the purposes of benefiting no one but himself.

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:55 (two years ago) link

xp - even when in practice it was preaching to the choir and a high profile distraction from his pro-development/pro-corporate policies?

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:56 (two years ago) link

^^^

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

he has a history of this grandstanding, like when he wanted to improve the health of poor & working class San Franciscans by banning cigarette sales from chain stores with pharmacies -- that pretty much affected nothing except the ability to buy fairly low-priced cigarettes at Walgreen's stores. ... as opposed to walking a block or less to a liquor store and buying cigarettes

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55cG7EytB7M

omg I pulled up this video to show how fuckin obnoxious he was at the time and the closed captioning is wild

**APPLAUSE BY HOMOSEXUALS**

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:58 (two years ago) link

xp the conversation it started was a huge push forward for gay rights

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:59 (two years ago) link

i don't think he literally tried to feed a cat to an ATM tho

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:00 (two years ago) link

the conversation it started was a huge push forward for gay rights

he didn't start it - Alaska and Arizona already had gay marriage rulings on the books - he just made the splashiest (and emptiest) show about it. which is his modus operandi.

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:03 (two years ago) link

xp Dan -- I'm not saying he's evil incarnate, just that it was a self-serving move. And it is often super useful to be reminded that in the central SF Bay Area, one lives in kinda a political bubble and that there is certain hair-splitting we do here, some more-progressive-than-thou type stuff, that looks ridiculous to most other Americans

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:04 (two years ago) link

Oh yeah, and Oakland has a mayoral election ...

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:05 (two years ago) link

Alaska and Arizona, come on. This *was* a big push forward.

Bush had already given his SOTU pressing for a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage. Massachusetts was on track to start allowing marriages in May of that year. A backlash was going to happen in 2004. And Prop 8 was a direct response to the California Supreme Court recognizing marriage rights in 2008

agree that it was a partly self-serving move, but it was also a very good thing

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:11 (two years ago) link

yeah, on paper he has done all the right things, but you read into the details of his life and he is a total slimeball

thing is, how else would you vote if not on what he has done and the positives more or less outweigh the negatives

i feel like this single payer healthcare program was hyped a lot in california, but like it's crazy when you do the math

i'm not against it though

F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:36 (two years ago) link

on paper he has done all the right things

not when he was mayor! he did a lot of not-right things

sarahell, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:37 (two years ago) link

as mayor his sponsorship of Prop N (Care not Cash) was very controversial

Dan S, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:46 (two years ago) link

yeah, i know what you mean

i guess i should say given the options

F# A# (∞), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:48 (two years ago) link

I agree that policy-wise I'm compelled to vote for him, more or less. At the same time, I absolutely hate watching him talk and prior to our current scandal-goalpost-moving POS chief exec I would have assumed Newsom was a lock for doing something scandalously unethical/illegal that would tank his career. I guess we're going to find out soon enough.

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:51 (two years ago) link

Well when the alternative is John Cox...

Catherine Power (Leee), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 17:58 (two years ago) link

i was listening to an interview with scott weiner and he mentioned that brown had vetoed the 4am last call thing but he would bring it back next year and didn't expect any problems with newsom on that issue. there was then a weird moment where the interviewer and weiner acknowledged that yes, newsom is a known partier.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:17 (two years ago) link

a friend of mine/former journalist wrote a semi-autobiographical novel that briefly features an obvious Newsom character riding around in a limo drinking champagne, doing blow and engaging in bisexual hijinks

ΞŸα½–Ο„ΞΉΟ‚, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:23 (two years ago) link

"That, in turn, should be the opening line of your novel.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 17 October 2018 19:39 (two years ago) link

god damn i need a voter guide who tf are all these yahoo local judges speaking in code

the late great, Thursday, 18 October 2018 03:59 (two years ago) link

i forget, are you in LA?

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 18 October 2018 04:20 (two years ago) link

Nixon was born in California; Reagan was a product of California.

And Elder was the best they could come up with?

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:20 (five days ago) link

both Nixon and Reagan are dead fwiw

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:34 (five days ago) link

True that

Anyway, it's now clear that Newsome's victory was all part of 'The Plan':

With the contest decided, QAnon believers quickly coalesced around the narrative that Newsom had to win in order for their "plan" to go into action.

"Is there any reason to think that the team of cyber experts on the Space Force haven't tracked this election just like they did with the 2020 one?" one user posted on a popular QAnon forum. "That it's a case of allowing the crime to be committed in order to hold the perpetrators accountable seems likely to me."

"I'm sure Space Force has all the details of the Cali fraud that they KNEW was coming," another added. "Newsom is trapped. GITMO awaits."

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:51 (five days ago) link

Newsome's victory is indeed flawed and bad, but Newsom did all right.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:52 (five days ago) link

dead nixon and reagan would've done better than elder, i think

xps

grove street (party) direction (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 16:58 (five days ago) link

Elder did much, much better than the last guy they ran for governor. I see him as an ongoing concern.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:05 (five days ago) link

Someone really needs to introduce these Q people to choose your own adventure books.

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:06 (five days ago) link

xp Much better? Not...really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_California_gubernatorial_election#Results_2

If you take the basic yes/no as a de facto gubernatorial election, then Newsom's still doing better, and even as final votes are tallied I can't see it adjusting that much.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:14 (five days ago) link

In that he'll make a lot of noise and could likely be the prospective winner in a GOP primary, no doubt. But that'll just make it easier to paint him as a sore loser.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:16 (five days ago) link

Hoping Elder gets the nomination for the next election... Not only will he lose, he'll sink a bunch of down-ticket candidates with him

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:18 (five days ago) link

The thing about Elder is, if he runs for congress in the right district, he'll get elected. I don't think that was true for Cox because he is too vain and rich to even consider it.

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:22 (five days ago) link

Could see it on the one hand, on the other it seems that that's more the route for people to aim to become celebrities in the first place on that side of the GOP. Elder's already done that part, so.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:32 (five days ago) link

Well... Elder's first fun was for governor of the most populous/wealthiest state in the union, I'd call that vanity. In the era of Trump, you don't mess around with the legislative branch, that's for losers and suckers.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:33 (five days ago) link

Vision Creation Newsome

sorry if that's joke already been made

sarahell, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 17:59 (five days ago) link

Elder would have a harder time in the red districts beating a local conservative for the House, I think. He's too much an outsider for them to really latch on to (racially, place of origin (LA), occupation, etc). He did well there for the recall because it was more of a "fuck you" to Newsom.

nickn, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:03 (five days ago) link

Let's say he moves to Irvine and runs against Katie Porter... I don't think the Republicans there will be like "well, he's not from Irvine..."

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:27 (five days ago) link

But the main thing he'll do is continue to grow his audience

Larry Elder's failed run for governor will help Elder back at his day job on the radio, his distributor predicts: Phil Boyce, SVP at Salem, says "I expect that he will pick up stations in the future because of this." https://t.co/wzWFPtc1jA

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 15, 2021

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:33 (five days ago) link

Let's say he moves to Irvine

I'll stop you right here

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:38 (five days ago) link

haha there are some nice parts!

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:40 (five days ago) link

I attended/worked at UCI from 1992 to 2015, trust me I know the area! But, he won't.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 15 September 2021 18:51 (five days ago) link

there needs to be a penalty for recall failure, like the sponsors and candidates need to be banished from california or something. otherwise there's nothing to stop them from canvassing continuously and getting lucky with an occasional goat rodeo from now until whenever climate change delivers a 12-month fire season.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 16 September 2021 00:05 (four days ago) link

They should have to reimburse the state for the costs of the recall

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 September 2021 00:13 (four days ago) link

Each signatory pays $250 would cover it.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 16 September 2021 01:13 (four days ago) link

Wait, Qanon people think the Space Force investigates election fraud?

Porking level G4 (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 16 September 2021 02:12 (four days ago) link

That's precisely why Trump created the Force.. trust the plan, man

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 September 2021 02:57 (four days ago) link

Very. I love that Aaron Park clown, talk about not getting it.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 September 2021 19:11 (four days ago) link

Like to think ol' Larry is realizing that maybe going down as a two-time loser two years in a row is not AS good for business as might be thought.

BREAKING: "It's hard to see how the outcome would be any different unless I was able to raise at least as much money as @GavinNewsom has spent, but even then the thing is daunting." @LarryElder to @FrankBuckleyTV on why he may not run for governor again in 2022 #InsideCAPolitics pic.twitter.com/m40jqAa7pE

— Inside California Politics (@CAinsider) September 16, 2021

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 September 2021 21:44 (four days ago) link

good, now extend the eviction moratorium and fix the agencies that are your responsibiltiy you shiny mother fucker

This morning, with the recall behind him, Governor Gavin Newsom officially signed SB 9 and SB 10. Duplexes are legal across California. Cue wonky arguments over whether this means CA just ended single-family zoning or whether that happened several years ago with ADUs.

— Conor Dougherty (@ConorDougherty) September 16, 2021

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Thursday, 16 September 2021 22:54 (four days ago) link

Duplexes are legal across California.

...huh. This bemuses me because from 1979 to 1981 we lived in a duplex, though turning that around that was officer housing on Mare Island when it was actually a base, so I presume other rules applied.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 16 September 2021 23:25 (four days ago) link

RE: that Larry Elder clip - I think he just admitted this was all a PR stunt, and a successful one at that... burnished the brand, maybe picked up a few stations for his radio show; it served its purpose, time to move on

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 17 September 2021 00:42 (three days ago) link

xp i think the point is duplexes are presumptively legal everywhere. previously they weren't illegal, but they were only zoned in a very small fraction of the state.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 17 September 2021 00:47 (three days ago) link

Ah that makes sense.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 17 September 2021 01:30 (three days ago) link

basically, it re-writes zoning code such that a duplex is permitted wherever single family homes are permitted, but multi-unit housing is excluded. I am guessing there is a provision that also restricts municipalities from overwriting that code as well. ... As in this would be considered the "strictest application" and municipalities are generally only allowed to modify codes to make them stricter, not to loosen them. (for the most part)

sarahell, Friday, 17 September 2021 17:49 (three days ago) link

obviously there are areas where duplexes are illegal in that residential use is illegal.

sarahell, Friday, 17 September 2021 17:50 (three days ago) link

But seriously -- dude really needs to extend that eviction moratorium. If he wants the goodwill of the progressive left, and many democrats working at the local level ... like, if I were someone like say, Libby Schaaf (the female Gavin), a moderate Democrat with aspirations to higher office that really doesn't want to deal with the huge shitshow that would be managing a City where a significant portion of the population are at risk ... I would hold a motherfucking grudge if Gavin wasn't a team player and stuck me with that shitshow. Pretty much everyone at the local level that I'm aware of that are either "anti-capitalist left" (pro-tenant) or "POC to the front" progressives will be out for blood if that moratorium isn't extended.

sarahell, Friday, 17 September 2021 17:56 (three days ago) link

otm. i am going to use his 25 point win as an excuse to hold him to a standard consistent with his overwhelming mandate and stop worring about what people in beverly hills and eureka think.

π” π”žπ”’π”¨ (caek), Friday, 17 September 2021 18:00 (three days ago) link

Newsom's ever cared about what people in Eu-tweaka think?

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 17 September 2021 18:02 (three days ago) link

there are rich people there, I'm sure some of them own wineries!

sarahell, Friday, 17 September 2021 18:12 (three days ago) link

my only Eureka memory was having to go to the Eureka Kaiser ER when I was 7 and had a severe asthma attack ... it was quite nice! Much nicer than the Kaiser ER in San Jose.

sarahell, Friday, 17 September 2021 18:14 (three days ago) link

I'm pretty sure most of the money in Eureka is coming from marijuana, tbh

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 17 September 2021 19:03 (three days ago) link

I guess that it's just that in comparison to Arcata, Eureka is a total dump.

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 17 September 2021 19:04 (three days ago) link

Parts of Arcata are a total dump, to be fair.

One thing about driving through Eureka on the 101.. normally when you pass through a town, you might see rough characters on the outskirts, but in Eureka it's all the way through town: befuddled trimmigrants with pitbulls on a rope, sad drug refugees pushing shopping carts right through traffic, drunks snoozing on the sidewalk.. it's pretty sad from one end to the other.
It wasn't always like that, but it sure is now.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 17 September 2021 19:17 (three days ago) link

Yeah, it's been like that since I first went there, often went through a few times per year for the decade or so I lived in California. Only stopped for any amount of time in Eureka twiceβ€” once to go to a surprisingly decent Vietnamese restaurant, and the other to go to Lost Coast Brewery to drink Fog Cutter from the tap.

I guess parts of the outskirts of Arcata are kind of dumpy, but compared to Eureka, it's a quaint Victorian village lol.

I'm a sovereign jazz citizen (the table is the table), Friday, 17 September 2021 19:22 (three days ago) link

Eureka as seen from the road is rough, but they have a nice downtown.

DJI, Friday, 17 September 2021 21:12 (three days ago) link

my Eureka experience was in like 1981

sarahell, Saturday, 18 September 2021 00:52 (two days ago) link

it's probably like when I moved to Oakland in the late 90s, and my parents were ... concerned about safety, because their perception of Oakland was based on the news in the 1970s/80s of white flight, poverty, the crack epidemic, and there were regular driveby shootings even in the "nice parts" ... but my grandmother remembered Oakland as a very very nice place that she went shopping sometimes in the 1940s/50s back when those beautiful old department store buildings downtown were actually department stores where ladies bought gloves and hats.

sarahell, Saturday, 18 September 2021 00:56 (two days ago) link

Ok

β€œI went to bed really wanting to put a For Sale sign in front of my house,” said Pickens, 50, as she sipped a chai tea latte outside Artisan Coffee in Janesville, population 1,400.

Here's a response to the la times lassen county trump diner article:

1/ I’m normally a big fan of the LA Times rural CA dispatches but no one really paints an accurate picture of how rural California votes. β€œoverwhelmingly” misses a lot, without even counting the also rural North Coast the whole region…https://t.co/xQmJm3BSaI

— Travis Legault (@travisl_97) September 18, 2021

fajita seas, Monday, 20 September 2021 00:47 (eighteen hours ago) link


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