thread of mandy (2018), melted psychedelic drone directed by panos cosmatos

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I'm excited to see this, hopefully tomorrow.

jmm, Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

really really want to see this on the big screen, but it's not playing anywhere even remotely nearby. i've petitioned the local arthouse but to no avail

gbx, Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

It has its moments but no way should it have been two hours long.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 7 October 2018 15:49 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah it should've been at least three

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:01 (eight months ago) Permalink

(the crawling pace is part of why it's great)

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:04 (eight months ago) Permalink

Loved this and love Cosmatos' seemingly obsessive control over all aspects of his mis en scène. Watched "Beyond The Black Rainbow" last night and indeed it never falters.
Those "Nu Cenobytes" were also creepy af.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

Control over soundtrack as well is enormous.

An Uphill Battle For Legumes (Capitaine Jay Vee), Sunday, 7 October 2018 16:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

my two favorite scenes were:

1) ATVs showing up to meet the van
2) mandy's face slowly morphing back and forth with jeremiah's - that was perfect

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:07 (eight months ago) Permalink

I think I liked this? Practically every shot in the movie has stuck in my head, which is rare.

jmm, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 16:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

a friend got me to watch this extreme nonsense without me knowing anything about it other than it starred n cage. I don't know the films it's apparently referencing, found quite a bit of it tedious and didn't really know what to make of it.

ogmor, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 17:28 (eight months ago) Permalink

what films do you think it's referencing?

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

both of his movies are more indebted to an era/genre of film (giallo-inflected lsd-damaged proto-slasher '70s horror intermingled with other contemporaneous genres) than they are referencing specific films afaict

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:38 (eight months ago) Permalink

2) mandy's face slowly morphing back and forth with jeremiah's - that was perfect

― 1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, October 9, 2018 9:07 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah everyone i've talked to about this movie mentions how amazing this scene is

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

I was told there was a hellraiser reference? I think I would give this another go

ogmor, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

the dudes on the bikes resemble cenobytes that is true

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:43 (eight months ago) Permalink

a lot of movies try to recreate the psychedelic experience but that was one of the most realistic, true-to-life trippy things i've ever seen on film

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

the face morphing, that is

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

otm

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

i've had this movie in my head for almost a week now

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:46 (eight months ago) Permalink

it made me so happy that anyone would make something like this

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

I kinda wish they'd kept Mandy in the movie and not done a revenge plot. She was really good.

It's amazing how many different faces Andrea Riseborough is able to adopt.

jmm, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

i know a lot of ppl who share that opinion and i don't disagree at all, but i also love that the movie kinda literally curdles as soon as she dies, like it can't keep itself together so it just goes straight into death drive mode. quoting simon from the nic cage thread

Mandy (the character) was easily the most fleshed-out person in the entire movie - we get to know her tastes, a bit of her work, a bit about her past, and a lot about her personality from how she handles Jeremiah. so when she dies it feels like a real loss that alters the fabric of reality, not just a cheap bit of character motivation - so much so that all that's left for Red is revenge-movie, horror, and fantasy tropes to process his grief (see also the animated sequences).

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 18:57 (eight months ago) Permalink

I also thought the thing intermittently tedious and it should've been 70 minutes tops.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:00 (eight months ago) Permalink

we know

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:05 (eight months ago) Permalink

there's only 70 minutes worth of things happening, but the movie is not about things happening

My Gig: The Thin Beast (sic), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:09 (eight months ago) Permalink

I will see this cuz this guy's visual sense is incredible, but sounds like he hasn't quite evolved much from the pacing/plotting problems in Beyond the Black Rainbow

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

the movie is obviously about jung's red book according to taylorholmes.com
https://taylorholmes.com/2018/09/16/the-movie-mandys-beginning-middle-and-ending-decoded/

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:14 (eight months ago) Permalink

pacing/plotting problems

this is style, imo, but yeah this movie is only marginally less slow than black rainbow (but i've also found that ppl who find black rainbow tedious can think this one's a real thrill ride, who can say)

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

i argue that the movie is also about setting up a scenario that involves a chainsaw battle

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:15 (eight months ago) Permalink

re: pacing, i watched Mandy a day after watching The Sentinel for the first time, and it seemed to fly by

1-800-CALL-ATT (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

chainsaw vs. extended chainsaw was when i gave myself over to the second half of this movie completely

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:16 (eight months ago) Permalink

if I wasn't clear on the other thread, my problem with Black Rainbow wasn't with how slow it was as much as it was that the film retained that glacial pace even when all the tension and dread had already been leached out of the story - ie, everything that happens after she escapes the compound. The ending is one of the stupidest deus ex machina copouts I've ever seen, and he dragged it way the fuck out. At that point the pacing worked against the film.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:19 (eight months ago) Permalink

you might like this one a lot more then

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

i also don't really know how the ending of black rainbow is a deus ex machina but i'll take your word for it. i find that movie's gradual transformation from a moody '70s cronenbergian body horror thing into a traditional slasher extremely charming

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:23 (eight months ago) Permalink

which, mandy does a similar thing: it pretty fearlessly goes wherever it's going to go

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:29 (eight months ago) Permalink

I preferred Beyond the Black Rainbow, which I know is bizarre.

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:44 (eight months ago) Permalink

i also don't really know how the ending of black rainbow is a deus ex machina but i'll take your word for it

SPOILIDAD

the central conflict is resolved by the villain *tripping on a fucking rock and braining himself* iirc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:47 (eight months ago) Permalink

yeah he does that bc the protagonist is psychic

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:50 (eight months ago) Permalink

if all she had to do was make him trip on a rock why did she spend all that time running away

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:51 (eight months ago) Permalink

i mean, she freezes him in place and the moment he tries to break out of her control he dies in an embarrassing and dumb way, which i think is a fitting end for an acid-melted entitled male monster

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:53 (eight months ago) Permalink

but the particular path mandy takes is more satisfying/cathartic and less anticlimactic than the end of black rainbow so again i'm pretty certain you'll like it more

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 19:54 (eight months ago) Permalink

I'm guessing if I don't like gore/brutality Black Rainbow is a better choice?

Uhura Mazda (lukas), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:12 (eight months ago) Permalink

hard to say, i remember the deaths in black rainbow all being pretty gross in one way or another

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:20 (eight months ago) Permalink

splitting heads hairs imo

You like queer? I like queer. Still like queer. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:21 (eight months ago) Permalink

you're either into his super slow mutated sense of pacing or not tbh, it's not really more complicated than that

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:35 (eight months ago) Permalink

The slowness of Mandy wasn't a problem. It does have a peculiar way of leaving in slack moments which most movies would cut, and uses tons of slow fades where most movies would have a hard cut. This worked really well in the creeping ambience of the first half. The slightly more tedious moments for me were the less visually compelling ones, like the visit to the pharmacist in the radio tower.

jmm, Tuesday, 9 October 2018 20:45 (eight months ago) Permalink

That felt like a nod to the eye clinic in Blade Runner to me. But it didn't quite pull off the febrile deranged feeling he was clearly shooting for.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:30 (eight months ago) Permalink

pls someone let Cosmatos take over on the new Dune movies

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 9 October 2018 23:41 (eight months ago) Permalink

this was super agonizing to watch, very few parts i enjoyed (such as chainsaw battle), would not do it again

forensic plumber (harbl), Wednesday, 10 October 2018 00:37 (eight months ago) Permalink

god i need to see this fuckin movie again asap

sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 16:31 (six months ago) Permalink

I think I'll do the free trial of Shudder so I can finally catch this.

WmC, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 17:23 (six months ago) Permalink

imo the idea that Cage's character is some badass that people will aspire to be like is short-circuited by the narrative choices. we get his bizarre weapon crafting in lieu of a "training for revenge" montage. he pops out fully-formed as something that seems like a second force of darkness that opposes the one that ruined his life and the surreal nature of the entire thing sticks it in a different category from a lot of "badass guy is unleashed" movies

mh, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 17:55 (six months ago) Permalink

100% otm, it’s way more surreal than yr traditional revenge movie

sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 18:02 (six months ago) Permalink

reminds me of the stereotype of youth where a typical young man may think "yeah, if I really worked at it and did the right things, I could totally be a professional mountain climber/marksman/athlete/whatever" only to reach an age one day where it must be acknowledged that, no, this will not come to pass

I don't think at any point in my life I thought I could, or would even want to, become whatever the hell happened to the guy in this movie

mh, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 18:15 (six months ago) Permalink

personally i still aspire to become a revenge-driven tripping maniac on a murdering spree in an alternate universe, i'm not willing to give that up just yet

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 18:34 (six months ago) Permalink

there’s a jar of mind-shatteringly powerful psychedelic mayo with your name on it somewhere out there, buddy - I believe it

sign up for my waterless urinals webinar (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 18:41 (six months ago) Permalink

psychedelic midlife crisis is the best midlife crisis

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 18:43 (six months ago) Permalink

it's not a crisis if it's a psychedelic journey

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Tuesday, 27 November 2018 19:40 (six months ago) Permalink

i can't wait to go home and watch this for the fourth time

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:27 (six months ago) Permalink

annoyed with myself for not picking up the blu-ray when I spotted it at a second-hand shop

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:27 (six months ago) Permalink

I recently put a clause in my will with instructions for my undertaker: 'plz make my face look like Nic Cage's face at the end of the 2018 film Mandy.'

you guys did not understance his stlye of english (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:32 (six months ago) Permalink

Lol how are used copies surfacing already

Forgot to post in here but I’m so glad I held off on streaming this, it looked like it was never gonna play here and then it got one showing on the biggest screen in the city. I fucking loved it but a lot of the audience didn’t; I have a feeling they were expecting hobo with a chainsaw

Pierrot with a thousand farces (wins), Thursday, 29 November 2018 18:34 (six months ago) Permalink

didn’t like this at all really

flopson, Thursday, 29 November 2018 21:56 (six months ago) Permalink

Of the deleted scenes, I think they should have kept the conversation with the sheriff.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 30 November 2018 19:38 (six months ago) Permalink

this movie would have been better if it held back on the silliness a bit.

You're a vicious snowflake.

Wegmüller Fruit Corner (Noel Emits), Saturday, 1 December 2018 12:28 (six months ago) Permalink

I finally watched this on Shudder and liked it a lot, even though it is not my normal fare. The surreal and disturbing visual and aural vibe throughout was uncompromising. Did not like the gore because I am getting squeamish in my old age.

Loved the scene where Nic Cage dips the tip of his finger into the jar with the psychedelic mayo and instantly trips his balls off when earlier the biker dudes were chugging jars of the stuff.

Also: Cheddar Goblin.

Andrew "Hit Dice" Clay (PBKR), Monday, 10 December 2018 12:42 (six months ago) Permalink

Couldn't handle this boring and annoying avalanche of iconographic signifiers. Bathroom scene, forging the sword, borrowing the gun from his pal...all these scenes are stupid sorry. Other audience members who probably have pizza tattoos were having a great time laughing and whooping at everything Nic Cage did or even "yeeeeeaaah Sabbath!" when Mandy was wearing that shirt. Once it became clear it was a revenge flick I bailed since another agonizingly slow hour of these bozos cheering on everyone being slaughtered one by one was too much to contemplate.

everything, Monday, 10 December 2018 18:20 (six months ago) Permalink

Other audience members who probably have pizza tattoos

solid projection

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:23 (six months ago) Permalink

xpost You sound fun.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:26 (six months ago) Permalink

starting to regret getting the little caesar’s logo tattooed under my left eye now

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:33 (six months ago) Permalink

It's sad that you should ever have cause to doubt such a heroic act.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:41 (six months ago) Permalink

it’s gonna happen if i’m gonna get savagely called out like that :(

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:43 (six months ago) Permalink

Ready Slayer One

5th Ward Weeaboo (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 10 December 2018 18:53 (six months ago) Permalink

at least we've gotten past the bacon tattoos

mh, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:02 (six months ago) Permalink

(leans in) Please tell us more trenchant things about the half a movie you saw, everything. Please, do.

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:21 (six months ago) Permalink

I sorta half-watched an hour or so of a Harry Potter the other night while I was making dinner. Everything I saw was so stupid that I wound up burning the chicken. Pssh. Gaw.

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:25 (six months ago) Permalink

well, that is otm, tbf

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:25 (six months ago) Permalink

i watched part of titanic last week. leo is pretty good but can't help but think that some of ACTION or event would have helped to bring all the stories together. a tale of betrayal, romance, and a beautiful indestructible ship as the backdrop- it's all a good start, but can't help but feel that all that potential is squandered

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:33 (six months ago) Permalink

where was the cheddar goblin of titanic?!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:36 (six months ago) Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/28IQpor.jpg

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:41 (six months ago) Permalink

I saw this with a midnight audience over the weekend and apart from one excitable doofus jumping the gun on the CRAZY EVIL line like it's fucking Rocky Horror, people were good- none of that performative geek laughter that makes my blood boil at so many screenings like this, folks let the quiet parts land in dead silence, and there was no cheering for the Cheddar Goblin, likely because a lot of people were seeing it for the first time- it played in Philly for exactly one screening prior to this- and were still digesting what had just happened.

The two details that stuck out most to me on a second watch were Cage and demon biker #2's shared Muttley laugh-wheeze when the former has stabbed the latter through the neck, like they're sharing some private joke; and in the final car scene intercut with Cage and Mandy's first meeting, where she cries a very prominent single tear in the flashback (in the acid sense as well, I guess) footage of the party; I didn't notice that at all seeing this on a TV.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:47 (six months ago) Permalink

good god sorry for all those em-dashes; I'm trying to write and keep a kitten from stealing my breakfast and it is taxing

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:48 (six months ago) Permalink

one excitable doofus jumping the gun on the CRAZY EVIL line
..that's a paddlin'

folks let the quiet parts land in dead silence
.. that's a paddlin'

there was no cheering for the Cheddar Goblin
oh you betcha, that's a paddlin'

my opinionation (Hamildan), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 09:30 (six months ago) Permalink

things that aren't mandy

Netflix marketing team: So for the poster, we were thinking-

Me: CAN YOU MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A ZOMBIE HUNTER pic.twitter.com/JxBCEdMCd4

— Taylor Swift (@taylorswift13) December 18, 2018

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:09 (five months ago) Permalink

Oh no, those second two were positives, at least to me! Like, there are clearly parts of the early going where the ambience is supposed to take over, and I appreciated the fact that the hooting stopped. Same for the Cheddar Goblin; I had to mute the phrase on Twitter because the distributors seemed so goddamned hellbent on making it a meme template even before lots of people had gotten the chance to even see Mandy. And the fact that the audience were actually reacting properly to The Thing That Happens Before Cheddar Goblin made me appreciate how carefully placed it is as a *tiny* break in the tension, and not just some WWWACKY SHIT they let the Too Many Cooks guy plop in the middle of the movie.

You guys are caterpillar (Telephone thing), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:53 (five months ago) Permalink

in context it was just another piece of contextual info that made me realize that the world of the film was not quite the same as our world

cheddar goblin is a popular corporate mascot, so of course chainsaw fights seem reasonable

mh, Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:08 (five months ago) Permalink

four weeks pass...

seeing this again on sunday :D

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 January 2019 19:05 (four months ago) Permalink

http://www.brattlefilm.org/2019/01/18/mandy-5/

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 17 January 2019 19:06 (four months ago) Permalink

I love that theatre. I remember seeing Duck Soup and Pierrot le Fou there.

jmm, Thursday, 17 January 2019 19:14 (four months ago) Permalink

lol i saw this twice, is this your third brad

imago, Thursday, 17 January 2019 20:56 (four months ago) Permalink

yep third

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 21 January 2019 01:31 (four months ago) Permalink

that was fuckin great

maura, Monday, 21 January 2019 05:33 (four months ago) Permalink

very glad the audience was mostly not the giggly type

maura, Monday, 21 January 2019 05:36 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

really like Mandy

that song is awful

Dan S, Sunday, 14 April 2019 01:26 (two months ago) Permalink

My friend came to town the other day wearing a Cheddar Goblin shirt. This is why we are friends.

Hangover Ape (Old Lunch), Sunday, 14 April 2019 01:33 (two months ago) Permalink


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