This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2018

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i learned from the golden globes is that the green book writer thinks he has written the most important popular movie of all time.

also, none of the BoRhap winners mentioned Singer.

adam the (abanana), Monday, 7 January 2019 09:25 (five years ago) link

Did they mention Fletcher?

sans lep (sic), Monday, 7 January 2019 09:36 (five years ago) link

Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody won the two best picture awards and we’re flummoxed that Cuaron, who has won every other prize for directing so far, also won the Globe?

love craptually (Eric H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 13:21 (five years ago) link

MD'A tallies the votes and comes up with this year's ersatz Village Voice film critics poll, and it's not Roma!

http://www.panix.com/~dangelo/vvfilmpoll2018.html

love craptually (Eric H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 17:30 (five years ago) link

WGA nominations announced

Adapted Screenplay
"BlacKkKlansman"
"Black Panther"
"Can You Ever Forgive Me?"
"If Beale Street Could Talk"
"A Star Is Born"

Original Screenplay
"Eighth Grade"
"Green Book"
"A Quiet Place"
"Roma"
​"Vice"

love craptually (Eric H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:31 (five years ago) link

not big Schrader fans

any exclusions bcz of union legalese?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:43 (five years ago) link

surprised that First Reformed got snubbed xp

flappy bird, Monday, 7 January 2019 18:45 (five years ago) link

The Favourite and Sorry to Bother You were two I know we’re ineligible, but yes, support truly is soft for First Reformed. Which makes it all the happier it won the faux-Village Voice poll

love craptually (Eric H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 18:57 (five years ago) link

just to confirm, apparently FR was eligible

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 7 January 2019 20:55 (five years ago) link

I can't think of a recent example of a film sweeping in one category (Actor), topping or making almost every major critic's list, and getting snubbed like this at the GG and at WGA.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 January 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link

Granted, I still think he's gonna get nominated (and not win) for a certain big prize that Morbs won't hiss about if I mention it.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 7 January 2019 20:57 (five years ago) link

Wtf @ all the Cuarón love

Agreed. That said, there is a long critical tradition of overrating gritty and therefore "authentic" tales of the working-class underdog.

I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 00:39 (five years ago) link

yeah, and movies that suggest profundity rather than actually being profound (like The Tree of Life).

flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 03:37 (five years ago) link

oh, I didn't know Schrader has been urging the industry to cast Spacey

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 04:18 (five years ago) link

long critical tradition of overrating gritty and therefore "authentic" tales of the working-class underdog

What other films have been critically overrated for being gritty and therefore "authentic"? And which critics in particular are you talking about?

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 08:55 (five years ago) link

yeah, and movies that suggest profundity rather than actually being profound (like The Tree of Life).

Yes. I was looking to coin the term "Malick Syndrome" for movies and other works of TToL's ilk.

What other films have been critically overrated for being gritty and therefore "authentic"?

See Bicycle Thieves and every other foreign-language Oscar winner in its vein.

I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 13:17 (five years ago) link

If Bicycle Thieves is overrated (hint: it isn't) then it's overrated by directors too - they placed it tenth in the most recent Sight and Sound poll:

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news/sight-sound-2012-directors-top-ten

I would be interested to hear you name some films about working class life that aren't 'overrated'

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 13:46 (five years ago) link

Killer of Sheep (Burnett, 1978).

I Feel Bad About My Butt (j.lu), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 13:57 (five years ago) link

The Florida Project!

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:07 (five years ago) link

Female Trouble

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:23 (five years ago) link

Starstruck!

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:27 (five years ago) link

What a strange turn this thread has taken.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link

Jeanne Dielman

flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:29 (five years ago) link

This really ought to be an annual poll... Alm0nd's "better-than" list: https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/01/2018-movies-art-and-politics/

It was the most politicized movie year since World War II. Hollywood confused propaganda with entertainment, and filmgoers were offered little choice between indoctrination and discovery.

The only great films were the re-releases of Visconti’s 1973 Ludwig and Cocteau’s 1949 Les Parents Terribles, beacons from a more stable past. The Visconti was visually lavish and psychologically penetrating, an empathic look at the Bavarian King whose personal aspirations contrasted the political dictates of his social position — a surprisingly timely epic about private ethics. The Cocteau, an ingenious domestic farce, traced the young generation’s foundering to the selfish folly of its immediate forebears — a surprisingly timely, intimate epic about the two-way moral responsibility of family and society that’s been lost. No way Netflix or Amazon will ever finance comparable achievements. As long as movie history survives, cinema is not yet extinct.

So that leaves this year’s Better-Than List to highlight our moral and political gains and losses by juxtaposing some of 2018’s few good films with ballyhooed atrocities that betray what Visconti and Cocteau knew audiences desperately needed from the art and pleasure of the movies.

Mom and Dad > Ready Player One / Isle of Dogs / The Ballad of Buster Scruggs

Brian Taylor’s uncanny update of Les Parents Terribles is an audacious domestic comedy that advances from its source in cult-movie idiosyncrasy to outpace the tired mainstream exertions of Spielberg. Anderson and the Coen Brothers, formerly great artists, now at their most confused, manic, and depressed (respectively). Fun vs. exhaustion. Insight vs. capitulation. Exhilaration vs. sullen nihilism.

Vox Lux > A Star Is Born

Director Brady Corbet and star Natalie Portman present the personal horror within millennial pop spectacle, investigating spiritual trauma — Ludwig for the millennium. while Bradley Cooper and Lady Gaga root for idiotic celebrity worship in a cliché-ridden, big-screen version of The Voice for losers without a voice.

Ray Meets Helen > If Beale Street Could Talk

Alan Rudolph’s seasoned love story, starring Keith Carradine and Sondra Locke, evaded social justice warrior clichés such as Barry Jenkins pilfered from James Baldwin. Humanism vs. Baldwinetics. Spiritual authenticity vs. cornball racial sentiments.

Loveless > Crazy Rich Asians

Two family tragedies — one moral, one monetary. Andrey Zvyagintsev’s divorce drama has spiritual depth and national reflection, while race-hustler Jon Chu celebrates bling, unearned class privilege, and global insensitivity. The year’s most heartfelt film vs. the year’s very worst.

The Mule > Green Book

Clint Eastwood’s comedy of ethnic and ethical crisis expands Americanism to all — a rich, humane vision unlike the dated civil rights era clichés of Bobby Farrelly’s salt-n-pepper brotherhood life lesson.

Uncle Drew > Black Panther

Charles Stone III continues his genuine feeling for American culture (black basketball stars as social ideals), while Ryan Coogler uses childish fantasy and buppie cynicism to exploit Black Lives Matter susceptibility. Patronizing race defines Hollywood’s post-Obama mode.

Double Lover> Mary Poppins Returns

Francois Ozon’s doppelganger love story compares and contrasts Marine Vacth and Jeremie Regnier’s psychosexual histories against their perplexed adulthood. Disney and Rob Marshall pervert pubescent fantasy into stale nostalgia and Broadway-Hollywood liberal propaganda, featuring inadequate singers and dancers.

Chappaquiddick > Vice / On the Basis of Sex

Director John Curran (casting actor Jason Clarke as Ted Kennedy) replaces cynical smartness with ethical sympathy — a political movie advance over trite partisanship as in Adam McKay’s irredeemably ugly attack on Dick Cheney and Mimi Leder’s simple-minded partisan cheerleading of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

How to Talk to Girls at Parties > Eighth Grade / Mid-90s

John Cameron Mitchell hits on the essential communicative needs of adolescents that Marvel trivializes, whereas Bo Burnham and Jonah Hill patronize youth — they’re as distant from the ethics of Punk and Comics as Parkland puppet David Hogg. (As Mitchell’s Boadicea, Nicole Kidman wins MVP for drop-kicking the anti-progressive line “I’ve had twelve abortions and nothing to show for it!”)

The 15:17 to Paris > A Quiet Place

Eastwood looks beyond genre-movie form to innovate and salute post-9/11 citizen-heroes and American exceptionalism. John Kransinski’s dumb horror movie and political allegory pays tribute to American banality — for morons.

The House That Jack Built > First Reformed / BlacKkKlansman

Lars Von Trier turns “dark, wicked” serial killer clichés inside out in the year’s most surprisingly moral satire. Craven Calvinist manqué Schrader and race-hustler Lee mix genres and accept nihilism.

Museo > Roma

Alonso Ruizpalacios explores Mexican nationalism and finds its cultural heart, while Alfonso Cuaron petitions white liberal condescension, remaking The Help as a Latin American turdscape.

The Misandrists > The Favourite / Suspiria

Bruce LaBruce parodies the gender confusion of post-Hillary feminism and its threat. Yorgos, Lanthimos, and Luca Guadagnino settle for ugly chaos as a Millennial’s ideal politics.

Bodied > Sorry to Bother You / BlacKkKlansman

Nonstop savvy saves Joseph Kahn’s neo-hip-hop race satire. Its audacity far outpaces Boots Riley’s wokemare and the unfunny griping of Spike Lee’s ahistorical screed which uses racism to excite anti-Trumpers.

Jeannette: The Childhood of Joan of Arc > First Reformed

Bruno Dumont updates Christian faith in modern pop music terms; Paul Schrader continues to backslide in his political parable for agnostics who don’t know Ecclesiastes 1:17

At Eternity’s Gate > Bohemian Rhapsody

Willem Dafoe’s actorly visage focuses Julian Schnabel’s emanation of Vincent van Gogh’s sensibility; the sexphobic bio-pic of Queen vocalist Freddie Mercury relies on the band’s beloved catalogue to please uncritical fans. Music video colorist Hype Williams might have equaled Schnabel’s aesthetic empathy.

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:30 (five years ago) link

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:31 (five years ago) link

What a strange turn this thread has taken (Ben Rivers, 2019)

Frederik B, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:32 (five years ago) link

Wokemare should honestly be the title of Boots' second feature.

I did like Bodied.

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link

Armond is right about The Mule being better than Green Book

flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:33 (five years ago) link

lmao that he went out of his way to dis Schrader twice

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:34 (five years ago) link

tbf Sharknado 7 is probably better than Green Book, in fact even no movie at all, just a blank void of nothingness is better than Green Book.

calzino, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link

preferring Vox Lux to A Star Is Born is like the most obvious contrarian move for someone bent on establishing that present-day culture is debased. undercutting his argument, Vox Lux was really stupid and superficial. the narration alone should disqualify it from discussion.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:38 (five years ago) link

Otm Vox lux was garbage

flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:48 (five years ago) link

Vox Lux, unlike ASIB, is at least made by people who understand the role of pop music in people's, and it's also made by people who don't understand direction and writing.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 14:56 (five years ago) link

or what pop music actually sounded like during any of the periods it depicts. and god portman was terrible. too OTT for it to serve any of the themes the film was clumsily gesturing at, but not OTT enough to be any fun. cassidy is a super promising actress, and law's absurd voice was fun to listen to but otherwise man that film pissed me off.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:00 (five years ago) link

i am sorry that i missed Bodied, eager for the disc

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:05 (five years ago) link

yeah I didn't get the praise for Portman. Her diner scene had me reaching for a spork.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:13 (five years ago) link

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Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 15:26 (five years ago) link

our finest wordsmith

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:41 (five years ago) link

Our finest turdsmith

Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 16:46 (five years ago) link

Just realized I had been thinking Vox Lux was Her Smell, but that one is still on the way.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:25 (five years ago) link

[dumb rhyming gag redacted]

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 17:41 (five years ago) link

The way things have been going, I guess we should be glad DGA nominations don't include Bohemian Rhapsody.

Bradley Cooper, "A Star Is Born"
Alfonso Cuarón, "Roma"
Peter Farrelly, "Green Book"
Spike Lee, "BlacKkKlansman"
Adam McKay, "Vice"

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:08 (five years ago) link

yikes

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:09 (five years ago) link

WGA nominations announced

Adapted Screenplay
"BlacKkKlansman"
"Black Panther"
"Can You Ever Forgive Me?"
"If Beale Street Could Talk"
"A Star Is Born"

Original Screenplay
"Eighth Grade"
"Green Book"
"A Quiet Place"
"Roma"
​"Vice"

― love craptually (Eric H.), Monday, January 7, 2019 10:31 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

as my sister observed, 21 writers here, one woman. (Holofcener on Can You Ever Forgive Me?)

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:12 (five years ago) link

lotsa fine foreign-lang scripts written by women this year, but Hollywood only sees one such film per year

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link

xps give Spike Lee all the prizes, for gots sake

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 18:16 (five years ago) link

Starstruck!

... this one?

https://starstruck1982.weebly.com/uploads/3/7/9/3/37935411/1446857_orig.jpg

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:05 (five years ago) link

Detrius-adjacent ...

ASC picks the top 100 milestone films in 20th century cinematography:

https://theasc.com/news/asc-unveils-list-of-100-milestone-films-in-cinematography-of-the-20th-century

1. Lawrence of Arabia (1962), shot by Freddie Young, BSC (Dir. David Lean)
2. Blade Runner (1982), shot by Jordan Cronenweth, ASC (Dir. Ridley Scott)
3. Apocalypse Now (1979), shot by Vittorio Storaro, ASC, AIC (Dir. Francis Ford Coppola)
4. Citizen Kane (1941), shot by Gregg Toland, ASC (Dir. Orson Welles)
5. The Godfather (1972), shot by Gordon Willis, ASC (Dir. Francis Ford Coppola)
6. Raging Bull (1980), shot by Michael Chapman, ASC (Dir. Martin Scorsese)
7. The Conformist (1970), shot by Vittorio Storaro, ASC, AIC (Dir. Bernardo Bertolucci)
8. Days of Heaven (1978), shot by Néstor Almendros, ASC (Dir. Terrence Malick)
9. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968), shot by Geoffrey Unsworth, BSC with additional photography by John Alcott, BSC (Dir. Stanley Kubrick)
10. The French Connection (1971), shot by Owen Roizman, ASC (Dir. William Friedkin)

love craptually (Eric H.), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:16 (five years ago) link

Nicolas Roeg snubbed for the #1

flappy bird, Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:18 (five years ago) link

oh c'mon, he did second-unit on LoA

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 8 January 2019 19:23 (five years ago) link


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