the familial trauma chiller HEREDITARY

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keep it in here....keep it all in here, forever. never let it out.

Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:33 (one month ago) Permalink

*cluck*

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

ooh, this looks good.

calzino, Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

When can we talk about Hereditary?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!??!

I saw it last night. Haven't quite stopped thinking about it since. Toni Collette was amazing. I understood the plot on a surface level but wonder what it really ~means~, esp the song that played during the closing credits. Extremely incongruous and was a powerful emotional catalyst. I would see this movie again!

The score was, as predicted, well done.

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:12 (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am going to try and see it next week. Whenever a movie is presented as the scariest thing ever, it is usually a boilerplate jump-scare movie like A Quiet Place, or a really well-made and acted film that is not terribly scary, like The Babadook. From what little I know about it this seems more like the latter, a psychologically scary art film, something to think about, usually about grief.

― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 9 June 2018 15:58 (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not scary -- it's intense (more so for some people than others) and it leaves a long-lingering creep that suffuses daily activities with ominous vibes. i wouldn't say "scary" tbh

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Saturday, 9 June 2018 17:45 (five days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hereditary is good stuff. Not perfect, for sure, not all the details quite fit together, but easily really good. Go see it.
It's closer to the The Babadook, but significantly better crafted imo.

― Nhex, Sunday, 10 June 2018 03:03 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

A couple of shots/sequences definitely bordered on scary. All of it in the last half-hour.

It's definitely in that VVitch / Babadook zone but not *quite* as good as either (though significantly better than a lot of other recent horror flicks). I'd have lopped off 15-20 minutes.

OBLIQUE SPOILERS

While there's obviously still subtext to be drawn and all that, I actually appreciated that at a certain point it's like, no, this is why shit's going down and it's not a metaphor lol

― Simon H., Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:15 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bummer that it's not as good as those others, it's been preceded by such high praise

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:22 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It's still pretty good! (Though I'm not surprised audiences hate it.)

― Simon H., Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:22 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is why shit's going down and it's not a metaphor lol

idk, i still think it's a metaphor -- it was comforting to movie viewers to know [spoiler about the certain point] because it got them through the harrowing nature of the situation, but i don't think of it as "a story" as much as a distillation of the horrors of heredity, which we all grapple with to some degree
i certainly felt massive lingering horror as i looked at boxes of personal/family ephemera the morning after i saw it

like A Quiet Place was family-centered horror of a narrow scope with one family and clear monsters; Hereditary seemed to be a more all-encompassing look at the horror of family and things that are hereditary

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:37 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...or just a witch story with bonus family horror content
whichever you prefer

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:43 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My wife has had multiple friends call it a hot mess, which surprised me.

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:49 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk people are going to recoil at what disturbs them, and there were plenty of disturbing ideas and images in this movie

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

recoil *from rather

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 17:56 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had a suspicion this was less "scary" than it was "intense" (or some other more psychological equivalent).

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 10 June 2018 18:24 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

people in my theater were complaining about the ending on the way out but i think the last 10-20 minutes are what take it from very good to best horror film i've seen in a long time.

(vague spoilers follow)

while i see where they're coming from it's annoying when people bring up the horror respectability politics angle of "oh, it's really a kitchen table family drama disguised as a horror film" and i think the fact that they really Went There with the ending is so great, you CAN have a brilliantly acted and shot story about family and heredity and grief that also has an insanely metal climax

― oiocha, Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:30 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yeah -- it's not disguised as a horror film, it is for sure a horror film

i think the fact that they really Went There with the ending is so great, you CAN have a brilliantly acted and shot story about family and heredity and grief that also has an insanely metal climax
agree, otm

― weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Sunday, 10 June 2018 19:47 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha, yes, so metal! i liked that too.

― Nhex, Sunday, 10 June 2018 20:35 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the first half is intense/upsetting, the (better) second half is scary

― na (NA), Sunday, 10 June 2018 20:59 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I didn't find the Peter character to be reliable at all so the whole metal ending functions very well with the subtext of the film.

― Van Horn Street, Monday, 11 June 2018 01:33 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

honestly the movie should probably get its own thread - other recent horror flicks of note have

― Simon H., Monday, 11 June 2018 01:40 (three days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't watch much horror lately, haven't seen Babadook, Witch, Quiet Place, etc., but went to Hereditary with my aspiring filmmaker son last night and we were both very impressed. Certainly not "scariest thing ever" but also certainly not "a hot mess" either. Many scenes will linger with me a long time.

― even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:07 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Oh, and also, yes Toni Collette was amazing.

― even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:13 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:39 (one month ago) Permalink

I fucking loved hereditary

― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 15:33 (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hereditary was great. Touched on so many of my childhood fears (& adult too I guess?), if I saw it as a kid I'd never sleep again

― badg, Thursday, 14 June 2018 16:44 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was gabriel byrne meant to be american in it?

― Philip Nunez, Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:22 (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I couldn’t figure that either. By the end of the film I’d decided no

― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:23 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't know, but I appreciated him as the most clueless/ineffectual/checked-out horror-movie dad since Peter Sarsgaard in Orphan

― Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:24 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol yeah. I really liked his performance in this, & even tho he was deliberately sidelined as someone outside of the hereditary mess looking in they gave him the breakdown moment in the car which I found really moving

― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:30 (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Someone really should make a thread

― U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:31 (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Colin Stetson on handling the score:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/12/17451100/hereditary-composer-colin-stetson-interview

Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:41 (one month ago) Permalink

I didn’t know that was him, although I should have realised in the final scene at least

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

im not sure I'm going to watch this just based on the short film the director made several years ago which is the most fucked thing i think I've ever seen

spoilers here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Strange_Thing_About_the_Johnsons

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:00 (one month ago) Permalink

This describes my approach to horror movies pretty accurately

https://www.theringer.com/movies/2018/6/11/17450110/hereditary-wikipedia-horror-movie-review

valorous wokelord (silby), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:00 (one month ago) Permalink

thank you for starting with my post!

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:07 (one month ago) Permalink

i thought this movie was excellent and also enjoyed the heightened experience of watching it. the lingering effects have been pretty persistent but i consider that a strength and also a factor of one's idiosyncratic relationship with family/heredity/trauma. how long can this thread go without spoilers?!

there's one word i have typed and erased like 500x wrt this movie.

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:12 (one month ago) Permalink

Spoil away imho

Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:14 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah that’s one reason I thought we needed a dedicated thread, cause I wanna get into details

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:15 (one month ago) Permalink

decapitation
discuss

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:19 (one month ago) Permalink

I've seen my head from both sides now

Simon H., Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:20 (one month ago) Permalink

omg that made me actually lol

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:21 (one month ago) Permalink

This film really did a number on me - I was v hungover & had to chase it away with a couple of beers before/during the film but still. I went into it cold, knowing only that it was a hyped horror film, so was unprepared for the emotional rawness of it (& that rawness doesn’t go away even when the film gets gnarly)

Collette, dowd & the kid who plays Charlie should all get oscars

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:38 (one month ago) Permalink

ppl i 'follow', and who like horror, were p underwhelmed mostly

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:40 (one month ago) Permalink

The actor who played peter, his performance in the accident & aftermath scene, I was having palpitations

Some of his acting later, the crying in particular, seemed to skirt the limits of acceptability in a way that felt deliberate and interesting

Every minor character, even the lol teens, was so thoughtfully written and played. Idk a lot of the recent horror revival films are high-concept one-gag twilight zoney things, which is fine, but this feels so rich & thematically interesting and just, really well done. Some gorgeous compositions in this thing

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:52 (one month ago) Permalink

i enjoyed this a lot and thought toni collette and the teenage boy were both fantastic in it
my one complaint is that it felt a little scattershot, with a lot of different imagery and ideas and references to past events being thrown out that didn't necessarily cohere or resolve

na (NA), Thursday, 14 June 2018 18:57 (one month ago) Permalink

See what you’ve just described is basically my jam - an inflection is all the “connective tissue” I need - but I know what you mean: even with the emotional content, stuff like the miscarriage confession, which is HUGE, so much other stuff happens that I completely forgot about it until a few moment ago

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:04 (one month ago) Permalink

Annie's monologue at the support group is so squirm-inducing and uncomfortable.

even in your onion (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 14 June 2018 19:51 (one month ago) Permalink

Omg yes, that and the eulogy doing so much heavy lifting for this whole fucked up history

This is a great film for horrified sympathy reaction shots, a good proportion of which come from joanie which complicates things lol

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Thursday, 14 June 2018 20:00 (one month ago) Permalink

It is pretty amazing how quickly they blow by the whole "my brother committed suicide at 16 because my mom was possessing him with evil spirits" thing which of course was relevant

Nhex, Thursday, 14 June 2018 20:04 (one month ago) Permalink

The pacing is really rushed sometimes for a 2hr movie. Maybe it should have been split into two 1.5 hr parts?

Philip Nunez, Thursday, 14 June 2018 22:31 (one month ago) Permalink

that's funny to me because I found the first 60-70 mins almost hilariously slow

Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 03:23 (one month ago) Permalink

Haha I just remembered “what language is even this?”

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Friday, 15 June 2018 11:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah there's a lot of languid scenes and then there's "we gotta explain the paimon angle in a highlighted text in about 5 seconds"

I feel like there's also a missing third act where they realize their demon king is only interested in smoking pot and eating candy bars and clucking.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 15 June 2018 17:14 (one month ago) Permalink

The wildly varying pace was a plus for me, v disorienting (and seemingly deliberately so)

Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 17:15 (one month ago) Permalink

Yeah same

I like that you think the whole thing will be a slow burn and then they just open the trapdoor

I was listening to the film comment podcast interview with the director and apparently the “slow” section was meant to be even longer/slower but they ended up cutting several slow tense domestic scenes for pacing’s sake

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Friday, 15 June 2018 17:38 (one month ago) Permalink

lol yeah 126 minutes was definitely pushing it already

Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 17:42 (one month ago) Permalink

Do we have any thoughts on the use of "Both Sides Now" (beyond the fact that my audience laughed)

Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 17:46 (one month ago) Permalink

i have been waiting for anyone to have more thoughts than i do!

my feelings are (in no order) this song -- and this version in particular --is
1) a powerful emotional catalyst -- and also an opportunity for stressed moviegoers to really let their fear-tears rip after that harrowing story (this is what happened to me, I started crying and it was totally beyond my control, regained my composure in the bathroom and felt like a choad)
2) that song is about the loss of innocence (right?) and gaining of understanding so maybe it was a comment on that?
3) twee musical comic relief?

i recognized it within about 3 seconds and was like wait -- what? -- and that's when i felt the waterfall start

i thought it was a brilliant choice but have no idea what it "means" to the filmmakers

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:06 (one month ago) Permalink

I think those are all good takes. I don't have any further thoughts lol - other than I am considering a 2nd viewing

Simon H., Friday, 15 June 2018 19:12 (one month ago) Permalink

i looked it up and it was also used in Love Actually (which I found revolting and I don't think is related to this usage of the song)

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:17 (one month ago) Permalink

maybe they're saying: secular family dysfunction, demonic cult, same thing? I haven't seen love actually, so maybe they had the same message.

Philip Nunez, Friday, 15 June 2018 19:21 (one month ago) Permalink

love actually is about demonic cults and intense family trauma so i guess that makes sense

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:25 (one month ago) Permalink

heh

U. K. Le Garage (wins), Friday, 15 June 2018 19:31 (one month ago) Permalink

I really liked it. A bit shaggy as many have noted, but extremely effective as a dread delivery device. It was refreshing to have the feeling (for most of the running time anyway) of not knowing where the movie was going.

It reminded me a bit of the (awesome) Korean horror flick The Wailing in its almost comical level of intensity and willingness to play with expectations.

latebloomer, Saturday, 16 June 2018 03:20 (one month ago) Permalink

Really liked a lot of this. As a sleepwalker I've not seen a more trueful portrayal of the confusion involved.

kraudive, Tuesday, 19 June 2018 23:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Your mom worshiped the devil and possessed you too??

Nhex, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 04:25 (one month ago) Permalink

>It reminded me a bit of the (awesome) Korean horror flick The Wailing in its almost comical level of intensity and willingness to play with expectations.

Oh man, I *loved* The Wailing. There were a couple of scenes late on which stayed with me a for a long time - the night time conversation with The Mysterious Woman and her promise, and the bit where the priest goes into the cave. I'll never look at a Minolta High-Matic the same way.

that mustardless plate (Bill A), Wednesday, 20 June 2018 08:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Did Joan put something in Annie's tea when she first went to visit her?

nate woolls, Wednesday, 20 June 2018 11:42 (one month ago) Permalink

I think that's meant to be unclear.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Saturday, 23 June 2018 18:24 (four weeks ago) Permalink

I finally got to see this movie

From Charlie's death to the final sequence, every scene was a disappointment

So much hand-holding through easy-to-grasp myth-building

No way to trace the logic behind Annie's breakdown-- why did she decide to burn the book? no reason

Music ruled tho, I loved the placid approach to the final scene

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 12:44 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The Charlie seance was one of the worst-acted/written/directed scene I've ever seen and reminded me why I typically avoid films starring Gabriel Byrne

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 12:46 (three weeks ago) Permalink

lmao, I liked Byrne's cluelessness/inability to engage with the situation, like he couldn't access the movie he was in (purposely, I think)

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 June 2018 12:47 (three weeks ago) Permalink

That is Gabriel Byrne in every movie he's cast in

It's a mystery to me how that man gets any work

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:23 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ha, I think he's pretty frequently fine (particularly in In Treatment and Miller's Crossing) but I completely get just having a mental block to enjoying some actors. (for me this is Juliette Lewis)

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:30 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't work out what Byrne's job/employment actually was in this film.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 13:32 (three weeks ago) Permalink

she decided to burn the book because it was full of creepy pictures of her son being killed?

na (NA), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 14:38 (three weeks ago) Permalink

There was just a vast gulf between "clearly very obvious plot elements being overexplained" and "subtle things being not explained at all (writing on the wall, significance of the model homes)", that certain moments where Annie was begging for people to believe that She Alone Knew What Would Fix Things-- let's have a seance! let's burn this book and I'll die and all will be well-- and Annie's insistence upon those acts being accomplished-- "I alone can fix this!"-- made zero sense to me.

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 15:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

I think for the most part the weird gaps, indulgences, and leaps you're mentioning were experienced by most people (at least itt) as features and not bugs. (See also the leisurely-turned-hectic pacing). Without another feature to contrast it with it's tough to know how deliberate the cumulative effect of these choices were, but it seems to have struck a nerve. (Though clearly not with everyone! See also the CinemaScore.)

Simon H., Tuesday, 26 June 2018 15:28 (three weeks ago) Permalink

The near-constant use of crane shots was nice

nevertheless, he stopped (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 16:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

xp i have the same vibe, in that i really enjoyed this but could also totally see why others would hate it for many of the same reasons

Nhex, Tuesday, 26 June 2018 17:08 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Maybe I missed it, but I couldn't work out what Byrne's job/employment actually was in this film.

Office Man

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:12 (three weeks ago) Permalink

i got the impression he was a professor or academic of some kind but now i can't remember why

na (NA), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

was that gabriel byrne naked in the doorway at the end?

i know kore-eda (or something), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:33 (three weeks ago) Permalink

no, it was the creepy dude who was smiling at charlie during grandma's funeral at the beginning of the movie

na (NA), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 19:51 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Ah dude looked a lot like him at that point. Would of made for a disappointing plot twist

i know kore-eda (or something), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 22:13 (three weeks ago) Permalink

Would have*

i know kore-eda (or something), Tuesday, 26 June 2018 22:14 (three weeks ago) Permalink

there's a really good blink-and-you'll-miss-it detail in the scene where Peter has his freak-out/possession in the class. just after the camera pans out to show all of his classmates reeling in shock, one of them at the edge of the frame is shown standing nonchalantly filming the whole thing on his phone.

Britain's Sexiest Cow (jed_), Thursday, 5 July 2018 03:14 (two weeks ago) Permalink

This was wonderfully entertaining, funny, rewarding

rip van wanko, Thursday, 5 July 2018 03:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

Yeah I thought it was great in a Witch plus Rosemary’s Baby plus Ordinary People. Really affecting score too and amazing sound design. I do agree with one review I read that they kind of waste Colette in the ending but she’s so good throughout seems a minor complaint.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 5 July 2018 04:21 (two weeks ago) Permalink

She is always making these faces, and being filmed from these angles, that recall Shelly Duvall in The Shining

rip van wanko, Thursday, 5 July 2018 11:34 (two weeks ago) Permalink

i got the impression he was a professor or academic of some kind but now i can't remember why

He was a psychologist, which you can see from his email address. I took it he was just unwilling to refer his wife for help without showing his colleagues the breakdown of his marriage. him looking at a distance, I thought was his understanding but total lack of perspective.

Another resonance when Charlie says that grandma wished she would have been a boy, because imagine the disappointment when you know your favorite grandchild is basically useless WRT being the host of Pazuzu Paiman.

the breastfeeding diorama, I have no answer for....

my opinionation (Hamildan), Monday, 16 July 2018 13:07 (six days ago) Permalink

i feel mixed on this one. I think I need to watch it again as there is a lot being communicated throughout that builds towards the conclusion that might have gone over my head.

Fantastic tension - I was genuinely gripped, peeking through my fingers, hugging my hoodie in anticipation, but there was very little release and most moments of pay-off felt over the top to the point of being unintentionally risible. We'd be holding our breaths one minute, then bursting out laughing the next. The last 20 minutes was like they were trying to crowbar-in as many scary special fx as possible.
Great acting from Collette and Millly Shapiro, but Peter, the teenage son really took me out of it. He looked way too old for a start and I just couldn't deal with his acting.
I wasn't sure how much stuff was properly related to the Paimon plot and how much was just 'scary bollocks' thrown in to creep you out.
Was Annie in on the whole thing from the start? Why did she know to keep Peter away from her mother/try to cause a miscarriage?
What WERE the words on the wall?
I didn't like the explanatory voiceover at the end. I feel like they could have given just a smidge more airtime to the Paimon cult throughout the film rather than just explain it to me in stupid person language at the end. Felt very 'Donnie Darko Director's Cut'.
Maybe this will work better on second viewing - I was more concerned about being made to jump (which I'm glad it didn't) to properly analyse the whole thing.

Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Monday, 16 July 2018 14:02 (six days ago) Permalink

fwiw the person I saw it with liked it more after a second viewing

Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 14:20 (six days ago) Permalink

i feel like i've seen Shapiro in something else recently but Wiki says it's her film debut... not sure where I got that from.

Gâteau Superstar (dog latin), Monday, 16 July 2018 14:20 (six days ago) Permalink

you got it from wiki iirc

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:36 (six days ago) Permalink


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