Shall we maybe anticipate David Gordon Green and Danny McBride's HALLOWEEN sequel/reboot?

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Made with the complete blessing of John Carpenter and ignoring all the Halloweens but the first one (RIP Silver Shamrock, it's sad, you were a mask company).

Trailer is out today and it looks . . . maybe good?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1ePFp-nBI

Eliza D., Friday, 8 June 2018 15:53 (six months ago) Permalink

maybe the first david gorden green movie I've looked forward to since Snow Angels

akm, Friday, 8 June 2018 16:06 (six months ago) Permalink

i'm... cautiously enthusiastic

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Friday, 8 June 2018 16:16 (six months ago) Permalink

but i am doomed to see it no matter what tbh

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Friday, 8 June 2018 16:17 (six months ago) Permalink

what a weird career dgg had had so far

and TOWERS MONACO as 'seaman' (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 June 2018 16:21 (six months ago) Permalink

i actually didn't realize he'd made any other non danny mcbride blockbuster movies in recent years but apparently he has. Obv those big studio films pay well, and I'm sure he does them because he and McBride are good friends. but it's still weird, like if Terrence Malick decided to do a remake of Beverly Hills Cop

akm, Friday, 8 June 2018 18:27 (six months ago) Permalink

Great idea!

calstars, Friday, 8 June 2018 18:29 (six months ago) Permalink

His first three movies - George Washington, Undertow, and All the Real Girls, left a huge impression on me as a young cinephile. And then...

Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 18:33 (six months ago) Permalink

Does McBride play Michael?

calstars, Friday, 8 June 2018 18:42 (six months ago) Permalink

No, he doesn't appear to be in it. Nick Castle still plays Michael, with another actor credited, presumably handling the more physically demanding stuff.

Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 18:54 (six months ago) Permalink

err I should say "returns as Michael/The Shape". Look at that filmography!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Castle

Simon H., Friday, 8 June 2018 18:55 (six months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

premiere at Toronto fest, it seems

https://www.tiff.net/tiff/halloween/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 August 2018 20:50 (four months ago) Permalink

Oh cool!

grandaddy of all liars (Ross), Friday, 10 August 2018 21:06 (four months ago) Permalink

like if Terrence Malick decided to do a remake of Beverly Hills Cop

The internal monologues...

... (Eazy), Friday, 10 August 2018 21:13 (four months ago) Permalink

Terence malick would focus on leaves a lot and kill anything interesting about Beverly Hills cop

grandaddy of all liars (Ross), Friday, 10 August 2018 21:14 (four months ago) Permalink

Walking through Bijan

This mohair...
This silk...
Who made it?
What goes in the sleeves?
The pocket?
The cut?
Of a man?
A cop?

... (Eazy), Friday, 10 August 2018 21:16 (four months ago) Permalink

Lol

grandaddy of all liars (Ross), Friday, 10 August 2018 21:17 (four months ago) Permalink

this also reminds me that there was an episode of Love on netflix where they wound up at the house of the guy who originally played Mike Meyers. One of the funnier episodes.

akm, Friday, 10 August 2018 21:24 (four months ago) Permalink

two months pass...

this is getting panned by everyone I trust

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 04:21 (one month ago) Permalink

Seriously. I was tempted at first, but when I think AVClub guy said this is basically H20 redux but not as good I was all, eh. And everyone seems to hate the way the meta comedy undercuts the horror.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:05 (one month ago) Permalink

$76 million Pavlovian weekend

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:07 (one month ago) Permalink

this definitely was underwhelming. it started well tho

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:08 (one month ago) Permalink

Is that your review of the entire Halloween series?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:12 (one month ago) Permalink

hah yes!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:16 (one month ago) Permalink

I do agree this was better than all the sequels tho but it didn't exactly have a high bar to clear

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:16 (one month ago) Permalink

it should have been called "Halloween: Competence"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:16 (one month ago) Permalink

I feel that my expectations are tempered/low enough re: the Halloween franchise that I might find something to enjoy in this.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:19 (one month ago) Permalink

there are many things to enjoy in it!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:22 (one month ago) Permalink

I was pretty underwhelmed as well. There isn't really any meta comedy though? Maybe one or two quips? Not interested in a debate of what constitutes meta comedy btw.

na (NA), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:24 (one month ago) Permalink

the cops in the car having a banal convo was one example

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:28 (one month ago) Permalink

Plus the thing where every time a character says 'Halloween' they then turn to the camera and arch their eyebrows and go 'Eh? Eh? Get it?'

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:29 (one month ago) Permalink

it wasn't winky winky tho definitely not one of those movies thankfully

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 12:33 (one month ago) Permalink

Almost every review I've read, even the positive ones, mention lots of self aware comments characters make. A la "a lot of people say she's his sister, but that's just a stupid urban legend" or stuff like that.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 October 2018 13:00 (one month ago) Permalink

that's more them playing w/ the lore I think, kind of their way of walking back Halloween 2, which first broke that twist

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:03 (one month ago) Permalink

I had a great time at this, just lots of good choices in the storytelling and being aware of the tropes but not turning that awareness into a joke. Instead, it's more of a technical challenge of how to do scenes that audiences have seen a million times before and respecting the scare while keeping them fresh.

No spoilers here, but the kid who is babysat is a fantastic actor. The first scene where Myers walks alongside a house and under some rows of lights was just beautiful. A lot of the lighting throughout was good to take in on a big screen.

Weirdly, thought this would make a good double feature with Lady Bird.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:07 (one month ago) Permalink

i am prolly gonna see it again to see if I enjoy it more only cos, slasher films are a thing I miss.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 14:13 (one month ago) Permalink

I do agree this was better than all the sequels tho but it didn't exactly have a high bar to clear

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, October 23, 2018 5:16 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink'

bullshit, this doesn't touch the original halloween ii

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:32 (one month ago) Permalink

or even the zombie halloween ii which i like a lot and has way more visual personality than this movie

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:33 (one month ago) Permalink

it was very fun still

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:34 (one month ago) Permalink

the editing was a fucking joke though

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:34 (one month ago) Permalink

Almost every review I've read, even the positive ones, mention lots of self aware comments characters make. A la "a lot of people say she's his sister, but that's just a stupid urban legend" or stuff like that.


The worst of these is where they have a character set up as kind of the new dr loomis, and then Jamie Lee Curtis says to him “so you’re the new loomis” - also at one point I think she says something like “Michael Myers -The Shape?” which was very strange to me. There were also a ton of “callbacks” and “Easter eggs”

None of this is meant to be funny tho, the humour is more stuff like the cop scene mentioned above, or similar dialogue between a kid & his dad about dance classes (which works much better & is the start of the best scene in the film)

coetzee.cx (wins), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:35 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah she called him the shape in the movie which weirded me out, this is less a sequel to halloween than a sequel to a bunch of ideas that seemed to flow out of halloween

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:36 (one month ago) Permalink

bullshit, this doesn't touch the original halloween ii

― princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:32 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I do like the original Halloween II, admittedly, I was thinking more of the crap like 4, 5, 6, H20, Resurrection, the Zombies....

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

the only movie in that list i wouldn't defend is resurrection and maybe the first zombie

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:37 (one month ago) Permalink

i like h20 wayyy more than this thing

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

Those comic-relief scenes (plus the kid/babysitter dialogue) sounded so much like Danny McBride to me, especially the banh mi sandwich banter.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

I'm eternally disappointed that they haven't figured out a way to wedge Shatner into one of these late-period pomo Halloweens yet.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

the new Dr Loomis d00d kinda sucked, he comes across like a guy who joined a Meisner acting class for a month, probably smugly walked around set all day 'in character', and had no idea how "community theatre" his performance came across.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

H20 fails cos of Creed being used in the background

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:38 (one month ago) Permalink

I hate Halloween 4-6, they r d00d00

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:39 (one month ago) Permalink

actually I liked H20 at the time, but on rewatch, it didn't age well. other than the ending, which was of course nullified by Resurrection

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:40 (one month ago) Permalink

4 has a great ending too but yeah I had a bad time with that whole trilogy

3 also has a great ending speaking of films that are not good

coetzee.cx (wins), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:41 (one month ago) Permalink

season of the witch is an awesome movie

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:42 (one month ago) Permalink

3 has one of the all-time great endings in moviedom.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:44 (one month ago) Permalink

the one thing the new movie does right is not even bother to question what is motivating Michael to kill. the Cult of Thorn was soooooo zzzzZZzzZZzzzzzzz

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:45 (one month ago) Permalink

weakened his character so much

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:46 (one month ago) Permalink

i admire and understand that decision too

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:46 (one month ago) Permalink

You admire and understand everything tho

It’s why we call you “admire-all nelson”

coetzee.cx (wins), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:47 (one month ago) Permalink

lol

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:50 (one month ago) Permalink

regardless of my misgivings i in particular loved the very cathartic final twenty minutes of this film

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 15:57 (one month ago) Permalink

Michael saying his favorite band was Wilco was kinda weird tho

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:06 (one month ago) Permalink

yeah he always seemed like more of a uncle tupelo dude

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:07 (one month ago) Permalink

i was kinda wondering how Michael managed that incredible upper body strength in his 60s despite not seeming very ripped

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:11 (one month ago) Permalink

guess he has go muscles rather than show muscles

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:11 (one month ago) Permalink

I have only seen the original (one of the very few Carpenter films I like) and have only wanted to see Season of the Witch subsequently; still haven't.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:13 (one month ago) Permalink

cool

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:39 (one month ago) Permalink

i was kinda wondering how Michael managed that incredible upper body strength in his 60s despite not seeming very ripped

Same here, thought that seeing some "working on in the asylum" shots would have helped.

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:47 (one month ago) Permalink

*working out

... (Eazy), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:47 (one month ago) Permalink

The original Halloween II is a worthy sequel, though retconned out now. Not enough of a historian to say if the '80s films were the first to franchise the killers, but I remember being happy as a kid with its conclusion, and not really needing more Michael or his story.

What are the other JC films you like, Dr. M? Escape from New York, The Fog, The Thing, Prince of Darkness, In the Mouth of Madness, Big Trouble in Little China (big love for this one) - curious which ones could be criticized for faults that Halloween didn't also share. I find them all vastly rewatchable.

Not holding out hope for the BTiLC remake with Dwayne Johnson. Think he's smart enough to understand and appreciate the original's subversion of the hero/sidekick roles, but can't imagine the producers would allow him to play a bumbling hero.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 16:52 (one month ago) Permalink

Original Halloween II is pretty forgettable aside from the Last Starfighter's uber-classic death scene.

a butt, at which the shaft of ridicule is daily glanced (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:01 (one month ago) Permalink

there’s also the spa death! the hospital is so effectively creepy and people keep going for help and disappearing until there’s practically no one there and i love it

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:05 (one month ago) Permalink

See now, that's up for debate. Lance Guest (?) slips on the bloody floor, falls back and smacks his head, but I don't recall Michael finishing the job. Always assumed he was unconscious in the room for the movie's duration. And yes, the spa death is great, but why are Michael's hands not also scalded? (little logic quibbles...). And totally agree on the empty hospital providing a great atmosphere. There's a great flick on Netflix called "The Last Shift" that uses a shuttered police station to similar effect.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:14 (one month ago) Permalink

lance guest bleeds out and dies in the car before he can start it and save himself and laurie

it’s an outstanding death scene

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:16 (one month ago) Permalink

also i love that he dies bc he slipped on blood

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

alpaca, I like Starman... and most of Escape from New York and Dark Star (long ago)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:18 (one month ago) Permalink

i was hoping you'd say you liked the fog, i watched that for the first time the other day

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:19 (one month ago) Permalink

they live is a documentary

i’ll hufflepuff i’ll blow you away (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:20 (one month ago) Permalink

I do need to get on They Live

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:26 (one month ago) Permalink

Forgot about Starman - also a fun watch. And shoot, forgot about him getting into the car, but I assumed he passed out from a concussion. I had to google an answer and found an interview with Guest.

In your eyes did Jimmy live (like the TV cut) or possibly die (like the theatrical cut)?

In the original script, Jimmy lives, so I had always thought that was the story. When i saw it, and the end was cut, I still thought he lived, but that they wanted to give her the final moments of the film, since it’s really her story and not mine. So, in my mind, I lived. In later Halloween sequel ( H5, H20) Jamie’s character’s kids have the same last name as my characters’ – Lloyd. Which is weird, because Jamie’s ACTUAL kids have the same last name as mine.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:28 (one month ago) Permalink

i've never seen the tv cut of halloween ii but i'm v curious about it, the version that lives in the imaginations of a lot of ppl who love it is the tv cut

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 October 2018 17:34 (one month ago) Permalink

i just rewatched halloween 4, which is a creepy little hollowed-out movie imo, especially when michael cuts the power and everyone is illuminated faintly by generators. i think i like it even more than 2

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 25 October 2018 17:54 (one month ago) Permalink

saw it again. liked it a wee bit better, but the needle didn't move all that far.

also, was thinking, how many different Laurie Strode timelines are there now? since H20 ignored 4-6, and this one ignores 2, 4-6, I come up with....

1. Laurie Strode was Michael's sister, had a daughter named Jamie, died in a car accident, orphaning her daughter.
2. Laurie Strode was Michael's sister, faked her car accident death, apparently either didn't ever have a daughter named Jamie or did and abandoned her, and has a teenage son. Stabbed to death by Michael after she decapitated the wrong dude
3. Laurie Strode *wasn't* Michael's sister, didn't die or pretend to die in a car accident, had no daughter named Jamie or teenage son (but did have one named Karen, whom she lost custody of.)

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 October 2018 03:47 (one month ago) Permalink

Stabbed to death by Michael after she decapitated the wrong dude

hate the first twenty minutes of resurrection so much (the remainder is entertaining trash)

princess of hell (BradNelson), Monday, 29 October 2018 16:51 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

Just started watching this, and obv. Green knows how to direct a movie, and the acting seems fine, but the script ... just dumb or annoying stuff happening every few minutes, from the lazy (like hokey info-dump exposition, as if anyone needs to be caught up - "you mean Michael Myers, who murdered those people 40 years ago this very day?!") to general incoherence (if he killed five or so people one night decades ago, that neither makes him a serial killer nor really explains him being characterized as "pure evil" or whatever; you need the context of years of sequels for that) to just ridiculous (like the British journalist taunting him in the mental ward by yelling at him and waving his mask, or Michael waiting in the back of an empty car to kill the kid when he gets back rather than just ... driving away in the car before the kid even comes back). I dunno, there are some things it's getting right, but that just sort of makes the things it's getting wrong or weird more curious. This is just the first 20 minutes or so, though, so I'll give it more time, even if I assume the rest of the movie stays pretty much on the predictable track.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 01:47 (one week ago) Permalink

I liked this better on rewatching. B+

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 December 2018 01:48 (one week ago) Permalink

Like I said, just diving in now, but B+ because it does anything new, or B+ as a Halloween sequel?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 01:51 (one week ago) Permalink

Latter

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:12 (one week ago) Permalink

Eh, I would give this movie a C. It wants to have it both ways but ends up backed into a corner: the only way Michael Myers could be a plausible epitome of pure eeee-vil, the way he is treated and talked about in this film, is in the context of all those sequels as an unstoppable supernatural killing machine, but this movie discounts all those sequels, which leaves him a guy who who randomly murdered some people on Halloween and then was caught and has spent decades in prison, which doesn't seem enough to justify Jamie Lee Curtis's Full Sarah Connor transformation. What makes him so enigmatic and fascinating? As that other knife-fodder kid says, is that it? There are far worse things these days. And for someone who spent their entire life preparing for the return of Michael, Laurie seems weirdly ill-prepared, right down to glass windows in the front door. Or did they mean the entire set-up, the whole house, was designed as a trap, to lure him in? That's wacky. Which leads us to the contrivance of how they (the filmmakers) get him there in the first place, which was absolutely ridiculous.

Lots of little but distracting lampshading lines elsewhere, and those British "journalists" were the wooooorst. And the McBride banter ... eh. Clearly these cops did not get the memo that they were dealing with the ultimate evil.

Updated score gets an A, though!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:59 (one week ago) Permalink

he was described as evil by loomis in the first one

i mean the sequels do help that land but the groundwork is there

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:05 (one week ago) Permalink

agreed that turning laurie strode into sarah conner is an unearned stretch

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:06 (one week ago) Permalink

Loomis did call him evil in the first one, but of course the first one succeeded in part because he was so mysterious and enigmatic. Why was he pure evil? Because Donald Pleasance convincingly described him as such. This one coasts on him being iconic, but that only came with all the sequels, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:30 (one week ago) Permalink

For example, instead of the stupid stuff with the British podcasters, they could have had a hearing about what to do with him, about his pure evilness, about all the shit he has been up to and why he needs be locked away somewhere else (why they waited until now to transfer him after all those years is just another contrivance in this film). It's more of the lampshading, but even Laurie Strode tells those dummies "there's nothing to learn, there is no mystery" or something like that. If there's nothing to learn and there's no mystery then there's no reason for this film to exist except as a retread of the original, which makes it just another gormless sequel. Which might have been fine, because there is deeper stuff in this film, whether smart (the virtually unexplored except in broad terms relationship between Laurie and her daughter, let alone victim and victimizer and revenge generally) or utterly stupid (the twist), which is why I'm disappointed the otherwise capable filmmakers involved didn't find a way to pursue something more compelling/original/interesting with those ideas, like they were hamstrung by the need to make their unstoppable killer kill people. (Body count in this one, btw, was apparently 16! Five in the first one, not including his older sister when he was a kid.)

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:44 (one week ago) Permalink

Hold up, does the major character boyfriend in this just vanish? I'm surprised they didn't find a way to kill him, too.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:46 (one week ago) Permalink


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