Yanny or Laurel

Neither

I hear America singing, the varied carols I hear,
Those of mechanics, each one singing his as it should be blithe
and strong,
The carpenter singing his as he measures his plank or beam,
The mason singing his as he makes ready for work, or leaves off
work,
The boatman singing what belongs to him in his boat, the
deckhand singing on the steamboat deck,
The shoemaker singing as he sits on his bench, the hatter singing
as he stands,
The wood-cutter’s song, the ploughboy’s on his way in the
morning, or at noon intermission or at sundown,
The delicious singing of the mother, or of the young wife at
work, or of the girl sewing or washing,
Each singing what belongs to him or her and to none else,
The day what belongs to the day—at night the party of young
fellows, robust, friendly,
Singing with open mouths their strong melodious songs.

Laurel. Even in the few videos that were allegedly showing how both could be heard, still Laurel. Every single time.

"Neither" should be a lock because nobody should do this

here is the beginning of this trash on the old blue black white gold dress thread

What color is this dress? Blue/black or white/gold? (Real poll this time)

the yanny people need to be locked up. there is obviously something wrong with them.

Ralph is saying he's really good at sleep

we've discussed this in the "The Dress" thread. it's "laurel" but because of the poor fidelity of the recording there are sonic artifacts that make it sound like "yanny" on speakers that don't have any low end (eg laptop speakers, cell phones)

Okay, so a coworker just played it on his phone and I finally heard "Yanny".

Fwiw, I was playing it on my phone last night and only heard "Laurel".

The viral hype and "OMG it will blow your tiny mind" reactions from this & the dress thing are both annoying, but the actual stuff on perception that they get people talking about is interesting, so I'm not going to jump on the Tombot 'fuck this trash' train, sorry.

Personally I found it really easy to modulate between the two, the bass and the high pitch seemed quite separate. I heard the higher pitched 'yanny' first, but I'm listening on laptop speakers which probably don't have that great bass production.

The first time it played happened to coincide with a door slamming shut and it sounded like "Yanny". Then it looped and from the 2nd time round on it was clearly Laurel.

I tried rattling my headphone lead to generate some low-ish frequency masking noise like the door noise but still Laurel.

Indisputably Yanny on my wife's iphone - and indisputably Laurel on my laptop. Interesting. Like night and day.

if its just a question of what speakers you hear it out of then its kinda dumb.

I don't know if it is though, I played it on my iPhone and my Bose sound bar last night and indisputably heard "Laurel" every single time. Couldn't even fathom the "Yanny" until I heard it coming out of a coworker's Galaxy this morning. Went back to my phone, and now I hear "Yanny" there too, though slightly more garbled and less clearly.

I've already returned my keys to the studio so can't listen on JBL studio monitors but it sounded closer to "yanny" on ATH-M30 headphones through a Focusrite Saffire interface, which is not world-beating but I think OK for lower frequencies. Certainly not the equivalent of a cell phone or laptop's built-in speakers. The "n"s aren't really "n"s, though. xp

I hear Laurel on my terrible chromebook speakers.

I also have massive hearing damage from years of concertgoing so idk if that makes me unable to hear the higher frequency or what

pulling rank as someone who writes professionally about sounds: the correct answer is Laurel

I haven't tried filtering the file yet but I honestly can't even see how people hear "Laurel", to the point where I'm beginning to doubt my aural skills.

Yanny.

xp are you listening on headphones?

(more than I already doubt them on a daily basis)
2xp Right now, yes, but I also tried on mediocre speakers. I haven't downloaded the original audio file you linked, though.

I've heard it both ways from the same source, over the same headphones, over a period of hours. Definitely "Yanny" (and a kind of nasal, upper-mid buzz to it) and then later definitely "Laurel" (sounding a little fuller). And now "Yanny" again.

I could almost believe there was some random-switching shenanigans going on with the links except that I downloaded the "original" MP3 to my desktop and that's gone Y>L>Y over the same period. It's kinda fascinating.

the actual stuff on perception that they get people talking about is interesting

it was for the dress, kinda, but this is about digital speech synthesis, vocoding and recording artifacts more than it is about perception imo - and that's what I find not interesting at all in fact the exact opposite, anti-interesting, if interesting had a mustache and was chaotic evil aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh.

yeah, and two people listening with the same speakers will hear two different things. so its not just the speakers...

same experience as michael jones

The recording that crüt linked on the other thread definitely sounds like "Laurel". If this was text-to-speech synthesis as Tombot says, that would explain it. I don't hear actual "l" sounds in the file that we are asked to vote on. xps

I do hear a lot of lower-mid muddiness/resonance and noise and I can totally hear the ghost of 'Laurel' in there but I still feel like I'm doing the work to fill it in.

I predict that Yanny will be the hot new baby name of 2018

so psyched about this forthcoming Yanni/Laurel Halo collab

*the

it was for the dress, kinda, but this is about digital speech synthesis, vocoding and recording artifacts more than it is about perception imo

the dress thing was about the color temperature & brightness settings that people had on their monitors so it's really not that interesting by this metric!

I thought it was also about the way some people perceived the overall "color temperature" / gamma of the photograph itself which was backlit by glaring sun

But surely it is about perception? I've played exactly the same clip at the same level over the same headphones and heard it go Y>L>Y>L>Y. And when I hear Y I cannot conceive of it sounding like L, and vice versa.

For someone who has spent a fair amount of his professional life trying to decipher what people are saying for the purposes of transcription, this is at least faintly interesting. Usually I associate the challenges with decoding speech with isolating the audio and trying to avoid contextual cues; here's an example of something in isolation, with no contextual cues, and it keeps flipping on me.

ok fine it's interesting

i hear Laurel.

the real mystery is why the fuck anyone would ever say "Yanny"

So I said this elsewhere but I usually keep the volume down when I listen on headphones because even mild hearing loss or tinnitus terrify me. I just turned up the volume to about 5 on my interface and now I hear "Laurel" clear as day.

the actual stuff on perception that they get people talking about is interesting

it was for the dress, kinda, but this is about digital speech synthesis, vocoding and recording artifacts more than it is about perception imo - and that's what I find not interesting at all in fact the exact opposite, anti-interesting, if interesting had a mustache and was chaotic evil aaaaaaarrrrrrrrgh.

― El Tomboto

I still find this very interesting! I've been very very slowly entering into the world of (lo-fi) mixing/production over the last few years and this stuff is a good entry-level example of how things can sound very different with only slight outside changes. Also I love auditory illusion shit like Shepard tones etc. I'm not necessarily saying YOU should find it interesting, I just it's unfair to dismiss it all as 'trash'.

*I just think

Yeah, Tombot is describing a phenomenon that is fascinating and crucial to me and then saying it's the opposite of interesting. (The explanation that it's a lo-fi recording is more believable to me than the explanation that it's text-to-speech synthesis, though.)

i think it's probably a little bit of both; i didn't even consider that it was text-to-speech which shows you how untrained my ear is!

All I know is my social media is suddenly a lot more disconcerting.

I guess what is changing is the ambient noise level around me (open-plan office), and I have no control over that. So maybe that's having an effect. Back to Laurel for now!

I turned my speakers up and now I hear "Laurel" on those too.

Listened on headphones, heard "Laurel" clear as day, wondered why this was even a question.

Listened on computer speakers, hear "Yanny" clear as day, wondered why this was even a question.

the text-to-speech aspect is where I think the high pitch comes from, which is inaudible in the original file and original sample rate, but when downsampled it drops into audible range and subsumes the "dark l" under this upper midrange "eea" sound

humans do not make secret >22khz noises when they pronounce velarized alveolar lateral approximants, at least as far as I understand things

in the car : yanny.
on laptop just now : laurel

my favorite tts artifact was when Microsoft Sam made a weird whooshing sound when you tried to make it say 'soy'

haven't tried it in ages but i assume it s been fixed by now

There's also an element of this that is about perception, though. Once I heard "Laurel", I could still hear it that way even when I turned the volume down again.

where is option ‘hen fap’

If I start at the Yanny end, it takes until a few segments over to hear Laurel.

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— Chuck Tingle (@ChuckTingle) May 16, 2018

that nyt thing is good, the switch point for me, at which i can mentally control which i hear, is at 1.65 bars to the left of center.

I voted for yanni but since then I have been able to switch back and forth between them

friend hears Yarry

^ thats what i heard first

the crazy thing about the nyt slider is that the Y/L crossover point varies all over the place for me, depending on the direction I'm sliding from and/or which word has just been repeating

^^

I'm Laurel all the way; even far left on the NYT slider sounds more like "yrrlrrl" than "yanny"

sounds like "FREMME NEPPA VENETTE" to me

callback is pretty PRO imo

I'm hearing "Yearly" on the NYT slider.

Big fan of these audio illusions. If you want more, hunt down the first of these two Diana Deutsch CDs and hopefully she's having a field day today

http://philomel.com/index.php

I'm not convinced it has anything to do with the frequency as my brain keeps swapping between both words.

It reminds me of when you're listening to a familiar song and your brain latches onto the beat a couple of microseconds too late, so they whole song sounds out of synch and unfamiliar. It seems like this word is the same. What you hear depends on where your brain tells you the word begins.

Andrew W.K. jumps in to the debate...

Party in the comments... pic.twitter.com/ikktBcIEh1

— ANDREW W.K. (@AndrewWK) May 17, 2018

Darkest fucking timeline pic.twitter.com/VhPv7rl9Wo

— Gabriella Paiella (@GMPaiella) May 17, 2018

fucking hell

was thinking that i could see the military using this sort of word-morphing technique as part of an interrogation

Is it sex or is it weight lifting?

ok that air force tweet is the worst thing ever and disgusting but also it made me think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfxNEe0jUns

http://reductress.com/post/man-calls-girlfriend-yanny-during-sex-swears-he-said-laurel/

Even more mind-bending:

Alright ya’ll thought that Yanny/Laurel Thing was crazy, try this on for size. pic.twitter.com/OqLVjVysuk

— tom (@Thomasevsmith) May 17, 2018

Also: green storm & brain needle

yeah i saw the Old Lady/Young Lady optical illusion when i was 10, it was interesting for about 5 minutes.

Stop messing with my fragile mind!!!

yessss

#Laurel? #Yanny? Or... pic.twitter.com/5hth07SdGY

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) May 17, 2018

I was just wondering the other day when somebody was going to get around to using the whimsical 'ukes and handclaps' cute animal video music in a sinister context.

ok fine it's interesting

― El Tomboto, Wednesday, May 16, 2018 11:25 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I love this

saw the white house video about this and wanted to jump into the mississippi. but i just muted the terms on twitter instead

on my computer "Yanny" or actually "Yammi" whether through internal speakers or good headphones. Nothing at all like "Laurel"

that whitehouse video almost makes me believe that this whole thing was manufactured to divert attention away from gaza. at the very least, it's got me questioning why trump is appearing in a comedy sketch when he should be focusing on a crisis that his actions stoked the coals of

https://i.imgur.com/jb9ikhW.jpg

My kids just introduced me to the gif of electricity pylons playing jump-rope. Which is silent. But some "hear" a thud each time the pylon hits the ground.

this is what gets me to leave ilx. thanks

I don't get why this stuff makes so many people IA. It's harmless and easily ignored.

I thought a lot about why it made me so mad and I think it’s because I’ve spent too much time playing speech samples through filters so I’m really inured to the phenomenon in question - I can actually do a really good “beatbox” of it unplugged - so when everyone was like “wow I can hear both” my jaded mind couldn’t help itself. OF COURSE YOU FUCKING CAN IT’S JUST ABOUT WHICH FREQUENCIES ARE EMPHASIZED AND HOW BRAINS WORK, GAAAWWWWD.

Blame Korg

(also probably the name of some character in the wookieepedia)

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Fuck you

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Good comeback, System.

Lulz

Blame Korg

― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:57 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

(also probably the name of some character in the wookieepedia)

― El Tomboto, Friday, 18 May 2018 23:58 (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

he's in thor: ragnarok actually

https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic4.uk.businessinsider.com%2Fimage%2F59fc89555b026004411baabb-1190-625%2Fhow-this-lesser-known-marvel-character-became-a-scene-stealer-in-thor-ragnarok.jpg&f=1

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― System, Friday, May 18, 2018 8:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Fuck you
― El Tomboto, Saturday, May 19, 2018 12:42 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― System, Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Good comeback, System.
― Now I know my ABCs. Next time won't you scream at me? (Old Lunch), Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:08 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not again :-/

"yes, that sounds like an excellent idea/yes, that's a f*cking excellent idea"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dQAlywMvCQ

I like that one since I can easily hear either option.

I hear "guinea pig".

I unapologetically love this stupid stuff

lol it's whichever you want to hear